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Whitneyz@cox.net
February 14th, 2008, 11:59 AM
My 14 year old daughter just recently swam a 50 freestyle at 24.55. Unbelievably she took 9 breaths!!! Doesn't that seem like a lot of breathing for a 50? Does anyone have any imput?

thanks,
Whitney

Allen Stark
February 14th, 2008, 12:30 PM
I don't swim 50 free much at meets,but when I do I try to not breath the first 25 and take one breath the second.

mattson
February 14th, 2008, 01:01 PM
My 14 year old daughter just recently swam a 50 freestyle at 24.55. Unbelievably she took 9 breaths!!! Doesn't that seem like a lot of breathing for a 50? Does anyone have any imput?

Sounds like a lot, but maybe she has good water balance (in which case, not a problem). Most people go slower when breathing due to head-lifting/hip-sinking.

CreamPuff
February 14th, 2008, 01:25 PM
I got yelled at by my masters coach when I breathed 9 times in my 50 M free at Nationals in Savannah. I'm now down to 3 SCY. My time has improved greatly with fewer breaths. I think I'm going to shoot for 2 breaths SCY.

Jazz Hands
February 14th, 2008, 01:31 PM
I don't breathe at all SCY. It's something I have to practice regularly.

ande
February 14th, 2008, 01:31 PM
24.55 is very good, tell her way to go

I went 20.4 in the 50 when I was in college and 20.5 when I was 28

your daughter she doesn't need to breathe that much in her 50 and shouldn't

she should have a breathing plan for her race
I suggest 3 or less
a) 1 down 2 back or
b) 1 down 1 back or
c) 0 down 1 back

invite her to read Swim Faster Faster
http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4229



My 14 year old daughter just recently swam a 50 freestyle at 24.55. Unbelievably she took 9 breaths!!! Doesn't that seem like a lot of breathing for a 50? Does anyone have any imput?

thanks,
Whitney

quicksilver
February 14th, 2008, 01:39 PM
My 14 year old daughter just recently swam a 50 freestyle at 24.55. Unbelievably she took 9 breaths!!! Doesn't that seem like a lot of breathing for a 50? Does anyone have any imput?

thanks,
Whitney


That's fast!

If her breathing doesn't affect her stroke in terms of drag from head resistance...there's really no harm.
Less breathing though might help get her times down even lower.

It's been said though...that you don't need any oxygen intake until the 20 second mark. Not a great idea however.

Most younger sprinters who take 15 plus strokes per length might go every six to eight strokes before taking a breath.
As they get older...they might drop down to 1 on the first lap and 2 on the way back.

geochuck
February 14th, 2008, 01:40 PM
I once mentioned how many breaths do we need while swimming for one minute. Very few for sure. A 50 is a dive a few strokes a turn and a few more strokes to the finish. I like one breath after the breakout from the turn.

Whitneyz@cox.net
February 14th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Thanks everyone for your replies. I'll let her see and read all the advice.

Thanks again,
Whitney

jim thornton
February 14th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Whitney, I recently got a chance to swim with Dara Torres and interview her for a magazine article I wrote. She told me that she breathes a lot, even on 50s, that her coach has looked at it and found the way she turns her head to breath is so streamlined and efficient that it does not slow her down.

I think I have read than Inga de Bruijn takes a breath on almost every stroke in the 100.

I offer these above examples as an alternative to the orthodoxy. I personally swim faster sprints by limiting my breaths to 1 down, 2 or 3 back on the 50; but unlike Dara and Inga, I've never held any records.

This said, a 24.5 is such a short time that the breaths you take on the way back probably don't even reach your muscles until the race is over. So there's also that to consider, too. The urge to breath has less to do with a need for oxygen than a build up of CO2 in the blood. I think you can learn to tolerate this with practice, at least those record-holding deep sea free divers learn to, holding their breaths for 7 minutes at a time.

quicksilver
February 14th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Your daughter might enjoy this.
The girls are swimming roughly her same speed.

I showed this to my kids for them to get a look at some serious underwater work in the 50 (Lane 4).
She took one big gulp before the wall...dolphin kicked like crazy...and paddled back with no breathing.

Loved seeing that the good old fashioned track start is still alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2DbkPAFz0

Allen Stark
February 14th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Wow,lane 4 won with a grab start and a regular swimsuit.Good for her.

CreamPuff
February 14th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Your daughter might enjoy this.
The girls are swimming roughly her same speed.

I showed this to my kids for them to get a look at some serious underwater work in the 50 (Lane 4).
She took one big gulp before the wall...dolphin kicked like crazy...and paddled back with no breathing.

Loved seeing that the good old fashioned track start is still alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2DbkPAFz0


Great video. Thanks for posting. Was it just me or did the eventual winner have the worst start off the blocks? Looked like she was behind until after her turn and SDKs. If she fixed the reaction time to the buzzer and her start, she would have been even faster.

geochuck
February 14th, 2008, 06:13 PM
This is a great 50m underwater. Very little breathing.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/athens-2004-womens-50m-free-semifinal-2-underwater-cam/1224127683

quicksilver
February 14th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Great video. Thanks for posting. Was it just me or did the eventual winner have the worst start off the blocks? Looked like she was behind until after her turn and SDKs. If she fixed the reaction time to the buzzer and her start, she would have been even faster.

You're welcome.

From my take on this...the grab start is slower in terms of reaction time & hitting the water...but the force generated from the two legged push makes it an even entry when they breakout. (This could start a whole new thread.)


But anyway...Lane 4 is a little smaller in height than the other girls. (This could be why they got some more distance at the entry.)
And if you really want to see a good race...her 100 back was exceptional...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnsdDlA-uEU

CreamPuff
February 14th, 2008, 07:50 PM
You're welcome.

From my take on this...the grab start is slower in terms of reaction time & hitting the water...but the force generated from the two legged push makes it an even entry when they breakout. (This could start a whole new thread.)


But anyway...Lane 4 is a little smaller in height than the other girls. (This could be why they got some more distance at the entry.)
And if you really want to see a good race...her 100 back was exceptional...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnsdDlA-uEU

That was really nice. Very inspirational to watch. I practice with a gal Haley Chura (recent UGA Swimmer Grad) who does exactly that kind of SDK.
Back is her best stroke. She qualified for Trials this year.