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ViveBene
March 31st, 2008, 10:27 PM
Katerina Thanou has been awarded Marion Jones's 100m silver medal from the 2001 Edmonton Worlds and will probably get Jones's gold medal from the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7323112.stm

Leonard Jansen
April 1st, 2008, 07:52 AM
Ironic since Thanou was long suspected to be one of the dirtiest athletes in T&F.

I'm beginning to really hate sport above the Little League level.

-LBJ

smontanaro
April 1st, 2008, 09:42 AM
I'm beginning to really hate sport above the Little League level.

Which the parents have a tendency to ruin... :-(

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Stillhere
April 1st, 2008, 09:42 AM
Gosh, if the IAAF decided to award Katerina Thanou with Marion Jones's medal from the 2001 Edmonton Worlds, why can't/will not the MORON IOC dorks award Shirley Babashoff with the six (6) Gold Medals that the cheating East German thieves stole from her in that Olympic games?

What happened to Shirley Babashoff is one of the most despicable tragedies in all of sports history! In fact, what they did to this fine woman is what drives my hatred for PED use!

smontanaro
April 1st, 2008, 11:09 AM
Is there something we could do as a group, start a drive to lobby the IOC to award her the medals she deserves? Or has that been tried and failed in the past?

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Stillhere
April 1st, 2008, 12:14 PM
Skip:

Your post gets a big time A+!

This article is a must read to understand what happened---

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/13191.asp

Leonard Jansen
April 1st, 2008, 01:25 PM
Is there something we could do as a group, start a drive to lobby the IOC to award her the medals she deserves? Or has that been tried and failed in the past?

Skip

The IOC rule - that they are rigidly sticking to - is that they will not retroactively award medals beyond an 8 year time limit. Unfortunately, this may be a wrong that is never righted.

Would it be possible for USMS to issue a proclamation on behalf of its members that we recognize her as the true Olympic champion? Token, I know, but I bet it might at least stir up the pot a bit.

-LBJ

ALM
April 1st, 2008, 01:57 PM
This article is a must read to understand what happened---

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/13191.asp

That article links to this one, which is REALLY interesting:
http://216.197.124.49/SwimmingWorld/1976/doping.pdf

If it asks you for a password, just leave it blank (that's what I did). The article is from the October, 1973, issue of Swimming World and is titled, "Why are the East Germans so Good?" Part of it is a chart showing the difference in height and weight of the East German female swimmers between 1972 and 1973:




_________________________'72_____'73_____'72____'7 3
NAME______________AGE__HEIGHT__HEIGHT__WEIGHT___WE IGHT
Hannelore Anke____15___1.60 m__1.69 m___52 kg___62.7 kg
Roswitha Beyer____16___1.60 m__1.60 m___52 kg___60 kg
Andrea Eife_______17___1.70 m__1.72 m___57 kg___70 kg
Kornelia Ender____14___1.72 m__1.78 m___59 kg___63 kg
Angela Franke_____15___1.76 m__1.76 m___60 kg___63 kg
Rosemarie Kother__17___1.60 m__1.67 m___50 kg___65 kg
Elke Sehmisch_____18___1.67 m__1.73 m___52 kg___68 kg
Renate Vogel______18___1.64 m__1.70 m___54 kg___63 kg
Gundrun Wegner____18___1.75 m__1.75 m___65 kg___68.3 kg

On paper, and in person at the World Championships, the East
German girls are big, well developed and strong in appearance.
Note that several of the girls jumped from eight to over ten
kilograms in weight (16 to 20+ pounds) in just one year. World
record holder in the 200 fly, Rosemarie Kother gained 15
kilograms in one year, which is about 33 pounds. (To convert
kilograms into pounds, multiply the kilograms by 2.2046.)
Why the success of the East German girls? The comparison of
heights and weights over one year shows the girls to be bigger
and stronger, however, the reasons for the increase remain
unconfirmed.

Stillhere
April 1st, 2008, 02:13 PM
Anna:

Thank you for the article. Interesting that the suspicion levels were up way back then...

meldyck
April 1st, 2008, 05:19 PM
Is there something we could do as a group, start a drive to lobby the IOC to award her the medals she deserves? Or has that been tried and failed in the past?

Skip

I'm wondering whether someone with a good connection to the present Olympic community of swimmers might not be able to persuade one of them to part with an 'extra' medal to be awarded to Babishoff. Maybe the USOC could diverge with FINA on this issue and, at least, make the presentation sanctioned by our own local governing body. What an elegant act of kindness that would be!

Allen Stark
April 1st, 2008, 11:46 PM
I wrote Swimming World to do a "what if"article on the Olympics,to go event by event on how they would have played out if they were clean.(It's not just the E Germans,the 1992 Chinese were clearly juiced and Jenny Thompson should have her individual gold.)
USS Swimming could have a ceremony since the IOC won't.