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Swimmer Bill
May 4th, 2008, 08:25 AM
I just got an e-mail from Steve Munatones, who tells me Grant Hackett was disqualified in the 10K qualifier for Beijing. Not many details available yet, but Steve is writing updates on the Swimming World web site as news becomes available.

LindsayNB
May 4th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Australian coverage:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/beijing2008/hackett-misses-olympic-berth/2008/05/04/1209839459490.html

GGS5T
May 4th, 2008, 09:21 AM
Did he retaliate? There's no mention of why he was DQ'd.

geochuck
May 4th, 2008, 09:41 AM
Is it unusual for bumping to happen in a longdistance open water event??

Most problems start at the start. Then comes the turns marked by a bouy. Drafting is another problem, I was hit by a Yugoslavian swimmer, on the right arm, (his name was Klime) for about 2 miles while he drafted off me until I punched him.

Lots of punches, elbows, kicks, and swimsuit grabbing goes on.

Now it is a big DQ for drafting. here are the results of the race http://swimming.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=swimming&cdn=sports&tm=17&gps=223_391_1276_848&f=11&tt=13&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.sevillaaguasabiertas.org/sp/index.php%23

Here is an interesting site on distance swimming http://www.10kswim.com/news.html

1 24 DYATCHIN Vladimir Q RUS 1:53:21.0

2 9 DAVIES David Q GBR 1:53:21.3 0.3

3 19 LURZ Thomas Q GER 1:53:27.2 6.2

4 32 VAN DER WEIJDEN Maarten Q NED 1:53:36.3 15.3

5 2 DRATTSEV Evgeny Q RUS 1:53:37.6 16.6

5 17 HURST Ky Q AUS 1:53:37.6 16.6

7 8 WARKENTIN Mark Q USA 1:53:37.8 16.8

8 47 CLERI Valerio Q ITA 1:53:38.8 17.8

9 13 SPYRIDON Gianniotis Q GRE 1:53:39.1 18.1

10 39 RYCKEMAN Brian Q BEL 1:53:39.4 18.4

11 38 RONDY Gilles q FRA 1:53:39.4 18.4

12 28 NOGUEIRA Diego ESP 1:53:41.1 20.1

13 28 PETERSON Charles USA 1:53:41.6 20.6

14 28 ESCOBAR Luis q MEX 1:54:32.0 1:11.0

15 28 LOPEZ Ivan MEX 1:54:32.2 1:11.2

16 28 BLAUM Damian ARG 1:54:34.3 1:13.3

17 28 FICHTL Jakub CZE 1:54:35.1 1:14.1

18 28 STOYCHEV Petar BUL 1:54:35.7 1:14.7

19 28 METWALY MEZ Mohamed El*Zanaty q EGY 1:54:36.4 1:15.4

20 28 HEIN Christian GER 1:54:36.9 1:15.9

21 28 BIRCHER Alan GBR 1:54:44.2 1:23.2

22 28 VITEK Rostislav CZE 1:54:44.7 1:23.7

23 28 MOHAMMAD Saleh q SYR 1:54:45.5 1:24.5

24 28 MALDONADO Erwin VEN 1:54:45.8 1:24.8

25 28 SALAS Rolando VEN 1:54:46.0 1:25.0

26 28 DMITRIEV Michael ISR 1:54:48.4 1:27.4

27 28 AZIZ Mazen EGY 1:54:57.4 1:36.4

28 28 DUBREUIL Philippe CAN 1:54:59.4 1:38.4

29 28 GERCSAK Csaba HUN 1:54:59.7 1:38.7

30 28 BALLEM Jarrod CAN 1:55:04.4 1:43.4

31 28 CHERVYNSKIY Igor UKR 1:55:13.4 1:52.4

32 28 ZU Li Jun CHN 1:55:22.4 2:01.4

33 28 ERCOLI Simone ITA 1:55:37.3 2:16.3

34 28 VENTURI Bertrand FRA 1:56:37.6 3:16.6

35 28 HO Chad RSA 1:56:50.1 3:29.1

36 28 DO CARMO Allan BRA 1:56:53.2 3:32.2

37 28 SCHELVIS Alex NED 1:57:08.8 3:47.8

38 28 SNITKO Igor UKR 1:57:42.8 4:21.8

39 28 PEÑAILILLO Roberto André CHI 1:58:16.9 4:55.9

40 28 LI Yinhan CHN 1:58:30.6 5:09.6

41 28 KATZIR Daniel ISR 1:59:04.5 5:43.5

42 28 KOPTUR Dzmitry BLR 1:59:10.7 5:49.7

43 28 CLEMENT Martin Andres ARG 1:59:15.2 5:54.2

44 28 SOARES Marcelo Romanelli BRA 1:59:45.1 6:24.1

45 28 OJSTERSEK Aljaz SLO 2:04:38.1 11:17.1

46 6 POP ACEV Evgenij MKD 2:08:01.7 14:40.7

47 3 IVANCHEV Tihomir BUL 2:09:49.1 16:28.1

48 18 LING Tin Tu HKG 2:10:22.2 17:01.2

23 SOLDO Tomislav CRO DNF

52 SHKH BAKRI Fouad SYR DNF

25 VIEGAS Daniel POR DNF

4 BAYO Christian PUR DNF

35 HACKETT Grant AUS DSQ

15 HERVAS Jose Francisco ESP DSQ

14 CHO Sung Mo KOR DNS

geochuck
May 4th, 2008, 12:13 PM
The winner averaged around 18.06 per mile. for the 6.2 mile swim. The 1760 yard mile not the 1650yards. My best time for a 5 mile swim was 1.55.+ which was a 19minute mile average in 1968. Herman Willemese the dutchman did a 1.54 for the 5 mile swim.

CreamPuff
May 4th, 2008, 12:41 PM
The winner averaged around 18.06 per mile. for the 6.2 mile swim. The 1760 yard mile not the 1650yards.

Amazing!

George, for USMS OW swims this year, is drafting allowed?
Thanks!

geochuck
May 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM
I don't know if drafting is allowed or not. Rob Copeland should know.

I believe it should be legal. I have drafted in many of my races. I have been drafted. I usually elbowed or kicked any one who came too close to me. Or slowed down and drafted off the person who tried to draft me.

The best guy at drafting was Abou Heif. He even offered me some of his prize money once if I let him draft off me. I just slowed down and then passed him by going wide. I came second in that race he came third.

A good drafter will never be caught drafting even if is illegal. You would just be trying to catch someone who has a lead of a head length on you.

A lot of people think you draft from behind a swimmer. I always drafted from the side of a swimmer, never from behind.

3strokes
May 4th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Did he retaliate? There's no mention of why he was DQ'd.

Exactly. I read the article and nowhere does it say why the freaded "DQ" appeared by his name. That he did not qualify, time-wise as a qualifier from Oceania, is another story. But the "DQ"????? What for??? :dunno:

Bill Volckening
May 4th, 2008, 09:21 PM
From Swimming World - Big thanks to Steve Munatones!

10K Disqualifications

With so much on the line and so many men swimming aggressively, there were two disqualifications in the 10K race at the 2008 World Open Water Championships.

Jose Francisco Hervas of Spain was red-carded when he clearly pulled back another swimmer within 10 meters of the finish. According to FINA Open Water Swimming Rule 6.3.2, Hervas committed an infraction that was deemed "unsporting" in the opinion of the Referee. With four referees on the course in escort boats positioned on either side of the swimmers, the infraction was not appealed and accepted by the Spanish team.

Fortunately, the infraction did not impact the Olympic selection of the athletes because several Europeans finished ahead of Hervas with the European continental representative selection going to a French swimmer.

However, it was the disqualification of Olympic double gold medalist in the 1500 that drew grasps from the crowd when it was announced. Hackett was disqualified because he committed two separate infractions of the FINA open water swimming rules.

One hour and 24 minutes into the race when there were still 45 men swimming over one another in the lead pack, Hackett was given a yellow card for impeding the progress of another swimmer during the third loop. Officially, he committed an infraction of FINA Rule 6.3.1 for interfering with another swimmer. After the infraction, a card bearing Hackett's number of 35 was written by the Head Referee on a white paper and shown to the swimmers as an indication of a rule violation.

The second infraction was committed with less than 250 meters from the finish in the mad dash to the finish.

When the pace picked up with less than 1000 meters to go, Hackett was caught in the middle of the surging pack. With every stroke, unintentional collisions were made due to the close proximity of the swimmers to each other. As Hackett tried to create more space between himself and the swimmer alongside him, he apparently slowed down and tried deliberately to go over the back of Chip Peterson's legs. Apparently, the degree of separation between Hackett and Peterson was not enough. Unfortunately for both swimmers, Hackett swam over Peterson in a manner that three referees believed impeded the progress of Peterson.

With the second violation, a red flag was raised and Hackett's goal for competing in the Olympic 10K Marathon Swim was over.

"It is unfortunate that any swimmer is disqualified, but in my opinion, the Referee gave the correct decision," explained Sid Cassidy, the chairman of the FINA Technical Open Water Swimming Committee. "The call was confirmed by both Assistant Referees who were also in very close proximity to the infraction. All the referees are experienced international referees."

The disqualification was protested by the Australian team, but the protest was rejected and the official results were issued.

Fortunately, the disqualification did not directly affect the athletes who earned the available spots in Beijing. Ky Hurst who tied for fifth was ahead of both Hackett and Peterson at the time of the infraction and it was clear that Hurst was going to finish in the top ten. With Hurst's top ten finish, Hackett had to finish in the top ten to earn a 10K spot in Beijing. Hackett also cannot enter the second qualifying race in Beijing on June 1 for the same reason (i.e., Hurst getting into the top 10 in Seville). It was estimated that Hackett was in 15th position at the time.

Peterson, who had similarly been knocked around by other competitors throughout the race, ultimately finished in 12th, only 2.2 seconds from a coveted Olympic selection.

Being the gentlemen that he is, Hackett told the Sydney Morning Herald that "I just did not have it in the legs in the end and the decision not to compromise my pool program was a risk you take and in the end I was only two body lengths off the top ten. That is how close it is. But I am going to hold my head up and move on and get back and prepare for the pool program."

LindsayNB
May 4th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Hackett also cannot enter the second qualifying race in Beijing on June 1 for the same reason (i.e., Hurst getting into the top 10 in Seville).

I have no idea about the qualification process but that part seems a little wonky to me. What is the rationale behind it?

geochuck
May 5th, 2008, 07:28 PM
I think this is the race here, the pack is very tight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR_-SPdA5w&feature=related