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ande
May 12th, 2008, 11:34 PM
some very fast swimmers are going to swim in this meet as well as a few masters

Here's where you'll find Real Time Results
http://www.realtime.net/~dhbrown/2008SrCir3/index.htm

attached is the preliminary psyche sheet

http://www.texasseniorcircuitswimming.org/2008meetschedule.htm#lc3

aggie site
http://www.aggieathletics.com/index2.php?SID=MSW&pageID=1802

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Women's Events Men's Events

Friday, May 16
Prelims: 7am warm-up; 9am meet start Finals: 4:30pm warm-up; 6pm meet start
1 50m fly 2
3 200m back 4
5 100m free 6
7 200m breast 8
9 *400m free 10
11 400m free relay 12

Saturday, May 17
Prelims: 7am warm-up; 9am meet start Finals: 4:30pm warm-up; 6pm meet start
13 100m fly 14
15 100m breast 16
17 200m free 18
19 50m back 20
21 *400m IM 22
23 400m medley relay 24

Sunday, May 18
Prelims: 7am warm-up; 9am meet start Finals: 3:30pm warm-up; 5pm meet start
25 50m breast 26
27 200m fly 28
29 100m back 30
31 **800m free --
32 200m IM 33
-- 1500m free 34
35 50m free 36

chowmi
May 14th, 2008, 10:27 PM
Is Dara Torres really going to be there? Darn! I wish I could have gone!

Good luck to Steve Wood, go do it for North Texas masters!!!!

ande
May 15th, 2008, 09:24 PM
there are many great swimmers in this meet like:
Ian Crocker, Dara Torres, Neil Walker, Haley McGregory, David Cromwell, Matt McGinnis, Martina Maracova, Dale Rogers, Kirsty Coventry, Eric Shanteau, Scott Spann, Canadian olympian Julia wilkinson, & Garrett Weber Gale,


Masters at A&M include:

Tyler (http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/toptenind.php?SwimmerID=02RA9) . Blessing (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/meetsearch.php?c=120888&MeetID=20080501SCNATSY)
is swimming the 100 fly on Saturday
(you get different links when you click on Tyler or Blessing) and

Sean Foley (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/meetsearch.php?c=122089&MeetID=20080501SCNATSY) is swimming the 50 free going for OT Cuts
he hasn't been training much yet managed to go 20.2 at Nats in the 50 free

I'm curious to see how Steve Wood (http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/toptenind.php?SwimmerID=02G3T) swims
last time I saw him he looked great and was swimming very fast

ande
May 16th, 2008, 11:00 AM
prelims have begun but no results yet

pwolf66
May 16th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Did Dara go out too fast or was this part of her plan?

Torres, Dara 41 Coral Springs 54.45 56.64 qTRLS
26.85 56.64 (29.79)

ande
May 16th, 2008, 02:55 PM
Event 6 Men 100 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
51.59 TRLS
53.99 AUTO
55.29 ACUT
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
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=== Preliminaries ===

1 McGinnis, Matt 22 Unattached 50.73 49.95 qTRLS
24.08 49.95 (25.87)
2 Walker, Neil 31 Longhorn 49.10 50.04 qTRLS
24.07 50.04 (25.97)
3 Rogers, Dale 25 Longhorn 49.66 51.05 qTRLS
24.27 51.05 (26.78)
4 Atkinson, Jevon 24 UN 52.25 51.52 qTRLS
24.39 51.52 (27.13)
5 Crocker, Ian 25 Longhorn 49.06 51.88 qAUTO
24.85 51.88 (27.03)
6 Jackson, Jonath 18 Unattached 51.28 52.06 qAUTO
24.78 52.06 (27.28)
7 Makany, Balazs 20 Aggie 50.45 52.09 qAUTO
25.35 52.09 (26.74)
8 Grigull, Rory 18 Coral Springs 52.42 52.24 qAUTO
24.75 52.24 (27.49)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Event 8 Men 200 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
2:20.79 TRLS
2:29.79 AUTO
2:40.59 ACUT
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ================
=== Preliminaries ===

1 Shanteau, Eric 24 Longhorn 2:10.59 2:17.82 qTRLS
31.04 1:06.10 (35.06)
1:41.47 (35.37) 2:17.82 (36.35)
2 Spann, Scott 20 Longhorn 2:13.98 2:20.19 qTRLS
31.73 1:08.07 (36.34)
1:45.09 (37.02) 2:20.19 (35.10)


Event 9 Women 400 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ======
4:19.39 TRLS
4:30.69 AUTO
4:37.99 ACUT
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ======
=== Preliminaries ===

1 Blackman, Jenni 22 Mustangs 4:20.07 4:18.89 qTRLS
29.64 1:01.70 (32.06)
1:34.25 (32.55) 2:07.24 (32.99)
2:40.14 (32.90) 3:13.48 (33.34)
3:46.75 (33.27) 4:18.89 (32.14)

2 Lehtonen, Eva 16 Oakland Y 4:19.97 4:19.53 qAUTO
31.56 1:04.66 (33.10)
1:37.15 (32.49) 2:09.26 (32.11)
2:41.76 (32.50) 3:14.46 (32.70)
3:47.52 (33.06) 4:19.53 (32.01)

3 Coventry, Kirst 24 Longhorn 4:09.14 4:21.25 qAUTO
30.62 1:03.68 (33.06)
1:36.73 (33.05) 2:10.06 (33.33)
2:43.00 (32.94) 3:16.22 (33.22)
3:49.00 (32.78) 4:21.25 (32.25)

4 Rodriquez, Jess 17 Longhorn 4:10.66 4:21.45 qAUTO
30.83 1:03.63 (32.80)
1:36.17 (32.54) 2:09.09 (32.92)
2:42.00 (32.91) 3:15.24 (33.24)
3:48.87 (33.63) 4:21.45 (32.58)

5 Escobar, Susana 20 Unattached 4:13.06 4:21.55 qAUTO
31.10 1:03.97 (32.87)
1:37.09 (33.12) 2:10.19 (33.10)
2:43.05 (32.86) 3:16.25 (33.20)
3:49.37 (33.12) 4:21.55 (32.18)

6 Martindale, Mic 19 Unattached 4:17.21 4:22.01 qAUTO
30.66 1:03.54 (32.88)
1:36.37 (32.83) 2:09.69 (33.32)
2:42.69 (33.00) 3:16.25 (33.56)
3:49.56 (33.31) 4:22.01 (32.45)

ande
May 16th, 2008, 03:50 PM
50 fly
28 Wood, Steve 48 Fort Worth 1:00.37 27.46

100 fr
38 Wood, Steve 48 Fort Worth 55.07 55.22 ACUT
26.40 55.22 (28.82)

Sam Perry
May 16th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Did Dara go out too fast or was this part of her plan?

Torres, Dara 41 Coral Springs 54.45 56.64 qTRLS
26.85 56.64 (29.79)

Looks like it was her plan. Holy cow, she is swimming fast.

1 Torres, Dara 41 Coral Springs 56.64 54.17 TRLS
26.15 54.17 (28.02)

ande
May 17th, 2008, 01:35 PM
50 bk

11 Wood, Steve 48 Fort Worth 1:01.68 28.53 q

14 Blessing, Tyler 35 Longhorn 1:03.51 29.11

ande
May 18th, 2008, 02:39 PM
this has to be close to a world record

Event 25 Women 50 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ========

=== Preliminaries ===

1 Beck, Spindrift 17 Mustangs 1:11.06 29.77

here's the world record wonder if Spindrift's swim was a typo

LONG COURSE FINA WORLD RECORD
TIME NAME NAT DATE PLACE
30.31 Jade EDMISTONE AUS 30.01.2006 Melbourne, AUS

ande
May 18th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Event 35 Women 50 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
26.39 TRLS
27.79 AUTO
28.19 ACUT
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ================
=== Preliminaries ===

1 Torres, Dara 41 Coral Springs 24.53 25.27 TRLS

Paul Smith
May 18th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Just heard thru the grapevine the pool may have measured short...

Peter Cruise
May 18th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Yes, see the Swimming World site for the info.

Sam Perry
May 18th, 2008, 05:00 PM
There is a great Aggie joke there somewhere. Unfortunate for Beck, but only in Aggieland could that happen... :rofl:

Nathan
May 18th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Apparently there's a problem at this pool with photographers stepping on the touchpads and stopping the clock.
Might have happened in the breaststroke case?

ande
May 18th, 2008, 05:33 PM
was an error
here's the correction

Event 25 Women 50 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ================
=== Preliminaries ===

1 Tinnon, Elizabe 22 Longhorn 1:09.94 33.42
2 Iserman, Renee' 19 Aggie 1:14.35 34.05
3 Atkinson, Alia 19 Unattached 1:11.95 34.10
4 Beck, Spindrift 17 Mustangs 1:11.06 34.24
5 Collymore, Kimb 18 Coral Springs 1:16.31 34.38
6 Smith, Skylar 15 Aquastar 1:17.04 34.48
7 McKnight, Linds 14 Coral Springs 1:14.82 34.51
8 Betzen, Kannon 19 Unattached 1:12.82 34.62
-----------------------------------------------------------------
9 Denby, Kara 21 Unattached 1:11.85 34.96
10 Binti Raja Shar 16 Coral Springs 1:16.57 35.02
10 Roberts, Melani 18 Unattached 1:09.68 35.02
12 Ellis, Carlye 18 Unattached 1:14.62 35.59
13 Halligan, Amy 15 Eagles 1:14.62 35.67
14 Leneave, Kelsey 15 The Woodlands 1:15.93 35.78
15 Miller, Robyn 14 Aggie 1:19.90 35.94
16 Spann, Alexi 21 Unattached 1:11.00 35.98
-----------------------------------------------------------------
17 Maxvill, Caroli 19 Unattached 1:13.92 36.43
18 Baker, Kacie 17 Cougar 1:18.21 36.52
19 Smith, Maggie 17 Richardson 1:15.73 36.67
20 Marshall, Chris 21 Unattached 1:19.54 36.80
21 Marrow, Lilly 16 DADS 1:16.25 36.91
22 Love, Rebekah 20 Aggie 1:17.15 37.48
23 Hurrell-Zitelma 19 Aggie 1:18.03 37.49
24 Leary, Chelsea 16 Premier 1:18.32 37.69


this has to be close to a world record

Event 25 Women 50 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
================================================== ========

=== Preliminaries ===

1 Beck, Spindrift 17 Mustangs 1:11.06 29.77

here's the world record wonder if Spindrift's swim was a typo

LONG COURSE FINA WORLD RECORD
TIME NAME NAT DATE PLACE
30.31 Jade EDMISTONE AUS 30.01.2006 Melbourne, AUS

smontanaro
May 18th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Name Age Team Seed Prelims
Beck, Spindrift 17 Mustangs 1:11.06 29.77
Why are the seed times for (apparently) 100s? Is the 50 just not contested enough for all eligible swimmers to have a seed time for that distance?

Skip

ande
May 18th, 2008, 05:47 PM
because SR Cir meets has swimmers enter 50's with their 100 times

http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/2008seniorcircuit/2008_senior_circuit.pdf

swimmers also have to have QT's in the 100's to swim the 50's


Why are the seed times for (apparently) 100s? Is the 50 just not contested enough for all eligible swimmers to have a seed time for that distance?

Skip

knelson
May 19th, 2008, 10:45 AM
It seems like USMS is much more diligent about pool measurement than USA Swimming is. There's no excuse for not measuring the pool immediately before the meet, if not before every session.

What's going to happen to kids who made Trials cuts at this meet? I know it's harsh, but they absolutely shouldn't count and it's all the meet hosts' fault.

Also "Spindrift" is my new favorite name in swimming! :)

ande
May 19th, 2008, 11:56 AM
Masters swimmer David Guthrie swam the 50, 100 & 200 breastroke
32, 1:09, 2:34

lefty
May 19th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Masters swimmer David Guthrie swam the 50, 100 & 200 breastroke
32, 1:09, 2:34

he swam the 50 free as well. Interesting that his last race was the 50 free, and appearantly he aged up from age 47 to age 48 right before that race because his age changed in the results. Maybe the folks in college station have trouble with the calculation?

Sam Perry
May 19th, 2008, 03:56 PM
he swam the 50 free as well. Interesting that his last race was the 50 free, and appearantly he aged up from age 47 to age 48 right before that race because his age changed in the results. Maybe the folks in college station have trouble with the calculation?

Gig 'em!

chowmi
May 19th, 2008, 05:54 PM
USA Swimming says it will not honor cuts from the A&M meet before Sunday finals. At least, I think that is what the statement means. USA Swimming will not honor times before Sunday finals. I got this from swimmingworldmagazine.com just now.

Too bad for Steve Wood and other masters swimmers, their times won't count for USMS top ten consideration/records, due to shortened pool length, except of course maybe some Sunday events.

ande
May 19th, 2008, 06:58 PM
spoke to david guthrie
he brought a measuring laser incase any USMS records were set
when they shot the pool it was like 49.97 meters
so they brought in a surveyor to check it and he came up with the same #
so they adjusted the pool on Sunday between prelims and finals

chowmi
May 19th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I hope there is no backlash against laser-toting masters crossover swimmers - the pool length issue would probably never have surfaced but for David's laser measure. Then again, 49.97 is pretty unambiguous. It is what it is, and it ain't 50 meters.

I have always been amazed that USA swimming has not been as strict on the whole pool measurement thing. It seems that would be a standard item on any big meet's check-off list. And I think that anytime a bulkhead is used, that the initial measurement before a session is more critical than measuring the 2 outside lanes and a middle lane at the end of a session.

Does anyone know - who actually footed the bill when the Stanford pool came up short before Masters Worlds?

Sooner
May 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM
I am extremely disappointed in USA swimming in this matter. I am a registered master swimmer but I also had two HS kids swimming at the meet. One made her first Junior Nationals cut and the other made several A cuts that would have enabled him to swim a full complement of events at Sr Circuit 4 in Austin in 3 weeks. My daughter is 15 and he is 17; both will be crushed when they hear about this. I did a quick calculation and the delta for a 200 m swim is probably around .07 seconds which is hardly worth punishing these kids for. From my recollection, no national cuts were within that margin so USA swimming could have made a good faith decision to honor the times. Pool conditions are so different from starting blocks, to indoor/outdoor, etc etc that this is a travesty. My son quit swimming for two years when he was quite frustrated and played water polo. He grew, got stronger and decided to start swimming again a year ago and has been improving dramatically. This decision goes contrary to the purpose of USA swimming. We have a hard enough time keeping kids in the sport, so let's not work against them.

I could keep going, but I am just sick to my stomach over my two and those that trained hard, traveled far, spent lots of money to find their efforts overturned by .03 meters. Yes, that is short but we need to keep a bigger picture in mind. Not a bunch of administrators forgetting how hard this sport is and how delicate the psyche is. F

Sam Perry
May 19th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I am extremely disappointed in USA swimming in this matter. I am a registered master swimmer but I also had two HS kids swimming at the meet. One made her first Junior Nationals cut and the other made several A cuts that would have enabled him to swim a full complement of events at Sr Circuit 4 in Austin in 3 weeks. My daughter is 15 and he is 17; both will be crushed when they hear about this. I did a quick calculation and the delta for a 200 m swim is probably around .07 seconds which is hardly worth punishing these kids for. From my recollection, no national cuts were within that margin so USA swimming could have made a good faith decision to honor the times. Pool conditions are so different from starting blocks, to indoor/outdoor, etc etc that this is a travesty. My son quit swimming for two years when he was quite frustrated and played water polo. He grew, got stronger and decided to start swimming again a year ago and has been improving dramatically. This decision goes contrary to the purpose of USA swimming. We have a hard enough time keeping kids in the sport, so let's not work against them.

I could keep going, but I am just sick to my stomach over my two and those that trained hard, traveled far, spent lots of money to find their efforts overturned by .03 meters. Yes, that is short but we need to keep a bigger picture in mind. Not a bunch of administrators forgetting how hard this sport is and how delicate the psyche is. F


Welcome to the world of USA Swimming. There are countless times where decisions they make never take into account the actual athletes. Here is another example of where they forgot WHY THEY EVEN EXIST. I am sorry for your kids, I am sure there will be many more stories like yours. Just plain ridiculous. Heck if they hadn't had a USMS swimmer there with a laser sight, they never would have known. Just shows how idiotic the organization can be.

knelson
May 20th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Hey, don't blame USA Swimming, blame the meet hosts. The rules are very specific on pool length tolerance. Any negative tolerance is unacceptable. Sorry, but in my opinion you can't just decide to let the rules slide. Again, all the blame is with TAMU in this one. I do agree this is terrible for the swimmers, but please place the blame where it belongs.

mbmg3282
May 20th, 2008, 12:03 AM
To answer Michelle's questions about the pool at Stanford, the cost to grind the pool and replaster it so it would be over 50 meters long was paid by the local organizing committee.

Sam Perry
May 20th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Hey, don't blame USA Swimming, blame the meet hosts. The rules are very specific on pool length tolerance. Any negative tolerance is unacceptable. Sorry, but in my opinion you can't just decide to let the rules slide. Again, all the blame is with TAMU in this one. I do agree this is terrible for the swimmers, but please place the blame where it belongs.

You are correct that TAMU is to blame for pool length. But USAS didn't even bother measuring, it was SUPPOSEDLY done by a USMS swimmer to follow USMS rules and USAS enforces their rule after the fact. For that reason, the kids suffer. To go 5 sessions without bothering to measure and then disallow all swims in those 5 sessions is draconian to say the least.

Sooner
May 20th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Hey, don't blame USA Swimming, blame the meet hosts. The rules are very specific on pool length tolerance. Any negative tolerance is unacceptable. Sorry, but in my opinion you can't just decide to let the rules slide. Again, all the blame is with TAMU in this one. I do agree this is terrible for the swimmers, but please place the blame where it belongs.

USA swimming can take a swimmer oriented approach like they do when applying the swim rules. The benefit of the doubt always goes to the swimmer. Not exactly the same thing, but close in my mind. The pool was not a foot short, but .03 meters short which is just a few hundredths in most races. Quite easy to give the kids a break under these extenuating circumstances. No problem putting the blame on TAMU, but USA swimming can do the kids right.

dcswimguy
May 20th, 2008, 07:57 AM
The benefit of the doubt always goes to the swimmer. Not exactly the same thing, but close in my mind.

There's no doubt though. The pool was 49.97 meters, not 50. I do understand what you're saying though, but I question where it stops. What if the next pool is 0.05m short? 0.10m? 0.25m? When do you say it's too much?

Why build pools to be 50m then if 49.97m is fine? The US can automatically take a 0.02 advantage on the rest of the world! :laugh2:

blainesapprentice
May 20th, 2008, 08:08 AM
I think it would be reasonable to let kids keep their cuts that they earned at the pool this weekend, but not to honor any records that were set. The cuts don't mean much--except an opportunity to swim the race again in a pool that is the right length...it wouldn't be horribly inconvenient to anyone if they honored the cuts...especially since the pool was so close to the correct length. I think that would be the honorable thing to do just because they didn't check it and they should have, obviously.

I can understand records not standing just because its not fair to take away someone elses record when this swimmer swam "less" to achieve the same thing.

Sooner
May 20th, 2008, 08:35 AM
There's no doubt though. The pool was 49.97 meters, not 50. I do understand what you're saying though, but I question where it stops. What if the next pool is 0.05m short? 0.10m? 0.25m? When do you say it's too much?

Why build pools to be 50m then if 49.97m is fine? The US can automatically take a 0.02 advantage on the rest of the world! :laugh2:

I understand what you are saying, but how often has this come up. Very very rare. Will you call my kids and explain to them that the cuts they made by a substantial margin will not count. they would have made them in a 50.1 meter pool. I agree with BlainesApprentice that their really is no harm in letting them take these times and swim in the meets they qualified for. That will not be a burden at all. We all showed up at this meet in good faith, went through the excitement of great swims only to have it ripped away by a "non swimmer" oriented decision. Sometimes judgement needs to be used and this is one such case. One outcome to prevent such an occurrence in the future is to require meets above a certain level to be certified in advance. Cost would be low. That would address your last point.

Allen Stark
May 20th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Yes it is TAMUs fault,but USA S bears some responsibility for not being at least as stringent as USMS.:notworking:By the way this has happened a lot in Masters when our rule was just being implemented.I had 3 Top Ten swims wiped out in one meet and an AA and Zone Record time wiped out in another:violin:.The first the pool had been remodeled and re-tiled and was 2 cm short,the second the bulkhead was not installed properly and it was 1 cm short.If USA S wanted to be fair(HA) they should allow the cuts times.

knelson
May 20th, 2008, 03:00 PM
I think it would be reasonable to let kids keep their cuts that they earned at the pool this weekend, but not to honor any records that were set. The cuts don't mean much--except an opportunity to swim the race again in a pool that is the right length

I think you make a good point here, Morgan.

onefish
May 20th, 2008, 03:17 PM
At the recent Colonies Zone Championships, I watched in [initial] curiousity as the white-shirted officials took the tape to each side and the middle of the pool prior to warm-ups. Seems now like pretty royal treatment when so much more was on the line at A&M. Hooray to USMS for running such a good show so often. Virginia High School Championships a few years ago suffered the short-pool syndrome as well, I believe, :2cents:a few disappointed record-setters.

DV

lefty
May 20th, 2008, 03:36 PM
Sooner: Don't worry about your sons Senior Circuit A cuts not counting, they will count. Those rules are inforced very modestly. I don't know about the junior cuts, but I think those will count too. I know you are frustrated, but everything will be fine!

chowmi
May 20th, 2008, 03:54 PM
I wonder whether it's a "final decision" by USA Swimming. I disagree that there was so much more at stake at Texas A&M just because it was a higher level meet. I could care less if it was a on day local masters meet, a C little splashers meet or the Olympics; if it were me or my kid, I'd be totally PO'd!!

Last post on swimmingworldmagazine.com cites an email address for Mark Schubert to voice complaints.

How can USA Swimming not honor swims from a meet that appears to me to be in compliance with their own existing rules? Unless I am missing something, A&M wasn't required to measure the pool before the meet. That is no excuse for a short pool, but does anyone know what the exact rule is - I bet there isn't one except that the host make a "best effort" to make sure the pool is the right length and then measure only at the end of the session for a record (USA swimming rule).

If USA Swimming maintains their decision, then couldn't the arguement be that any times in the SWIMS database be erased if it was done at a meet, any meet, where a bulkhead was used and no pool measurement taken? See where this can go??? Not a good thing. Let the times count from TSC#3 as chalk it up as lession learned BY USA SWIMMING - hey, they could learn something from US masters!!

See:
http://www.usaswimming.org/USASWeb/ViewMiscArticle.aspx?TabId=673&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&mid=1563&ItemId=1666

Way, way, way below the standard for USMS!!! Way to go USMS for these rules - the integrity of top tens and masters records is way beyond SWIMS.

USA Swimming isn't known for it's customer service, but it does have a grievance procedure. I think it's section/article/chapter 4 in the rules book. If I were an affected parent I would certainly consider this just on principle. It isn't "causing waves" or "being a pain"; it is a right for every USA Swimming member, and the only way to get a direct answer. USA Swimming can't respond to a blog, but it can and must to any formal grievance. At worst, you'll get the same answer.

I've been telling this story to my children, especially since I was close to going, had it not been for their karate tournament, Pump-It-UP party and Hurricane Harbor day. If not already presented at convention, I think the top ten committee should change the rule for bulkheads to require (vs. recommend) an INITIAL measurement of all lanes prior to the start of competition. Can't go this year - I took my turn last year!

But the most surprising of all - no Aggie jokes posted?!!

CreamPuff
May 20th, 2008, 05:03 PM
I could care less if it was a on day local masters meet, a C little splashers meet or the Olympics; if it were me or my kid, I'd be totally PO'd!!
hey, they could learn something from US masters!!

Way, way, way below the standard for USMS!!! Way to go USMS for these rules - the integrity of top tens and masters records is way beyond SWIMS.


I really feel for the kids and their parents. I never swam a meet with USS in which my times did not "count." How heartbreaking!! However, with masters I've had a totally different experience with swims and entire meets not "counting" due to pool measurement issues. Michelle, I'm guessing that you've had all your swims count for top 10, correct?

USMS has the rules in place; however, they are not always followed. I had 8 swims not count one year for Top 10s at a USMS sanctioned meet. Same went for a friend of mine at another meet (one of his times did not count.) Attended another meet which was to be a SCM championship and due to the pool falling short, no SCM meet. Was turned into SCY meet while we were at the meet. Consequently, I had no SCM meet times for that year.

So for me, it's either buy a laser or tape measure (as recommended by discussion board members) and harass officials (which they don't seem to like BTW), OR not worry about it and be happy being a lap swimmer who likes to compete at times. Not into lasers, so oh well!

chowmi
May 20th, 2008, 06:08 PM
I have missed out on about 10 USMS top ten swims. That is why I am now the top ten recorder for North Texas and one of the most anal people when it comes to pool measurement and championing our LMSC to buy a laser. I'm also an Aggie!!!

Back to the initial thread topic - maybe some good news for crossover masters is that if USA swimming adopts "the bulkhead measurement rules", then times can count for USMS swimmers since the measurements would be done by the meet host. That would be sooooooooo awesome!!!

Ande started a thread on the next TSC meet; I hope all the kids (and masters) swim really, really fast!! Ande too!!!!!

Still waiting for any Aggie jokes...

CreamPuff
May 20th, 2008, 06:31 PM
I have missed out on about 10 USMS top ten swims. That is why I am now the top ten recorder for North Texas and one of the most anal people when it comes to pool measurement and championing our LMSC to buy a laser. I'm also an Aggie!!!

Back to the initial thread topic - maybe some good news for crossover masters is that if USA swimming adopts "the bulkhead measurement rules", then times can count for USMS swimmers since the measurements would be done by the meet host. That would be sooooooooo awesome!!!

Ande started a thread on the next TSC meet; I hope all the kids (and masters) swim really, really fast!! Ande too!!!!!

Still waiting for any Aggie jokes...

Ah ha! So then this kind of thing has happened frequently to other masters swimmers?! Sorry you lost out on so many T10s. People @ USMS tried to tell me it was rare. Nothing like doing something yourself to get things done. I too toyed with the idea of doing the measurements myself w/ the official or becoming one. But, I'd rather just get in and swim and let the chips fall where they may. Looks like the lasers run $350 to $450 - something worth thinking about for those who care. Less than the cost of a LZR.

Did 1 USS meet this season already and have more to go. Just not worth the trouble - too many lasers and LZRs. I couldn't imagine being at SR State and pulling a laser to count T10s only to find out that the pool is short!

Glider
May 20th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Here you go. One google, and well...here's the start of the first of 202,000 pages of aggie jokes:


There were three Aggies huddled around each other at a local bar. All of a sudden, they jumped up and yelled,
"Yeah, 45! 45!" The bartender goes down to them and asks, "45? What are you guys so excited about?"
One of the Aggies speaks up: "We just finished a jigsaw puzzle. The box said 2 to 3 years, and we did it in 45 days!"

What is the difference between an Aggie and a carp?
One is a bottom feeding scum sucker and the other is a fish.

Did you hear about the Aggie terrorist who tried to blow up the Longhorn team bus.
He burned his lip on the tailpipe.

How many Aggies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One, but he gets 3 hours credit.

What is the difference between the Aggies and Rice Crispies?
Rice Crispies know what to do in a bowl.


I have missed out on about 10 USMS top ten swims. That is why I am now the top ten recorder for North Texas and one of the most anal people when it comes to pool measurement and championing our LMSC to buy a laser. I'm also an Aggie!!!

Back to the initial thread topic - maybe some good news for crossover masters is that if USA swimming adopts "the bulkhead measurement rules", then times can count for USMS swimmers since the measurements would be done by the meet host. That would be sooooooooo awesome!!!

Ande started a thread on the next TSC meet; I hope all the kids (and masters) swim really, really fast!! Ande too!!!!!

Still waiting for any Aggie jokes...

mctrusty
May 21st, 2008, 12:28 PM
Awesome. Generic us-vs-them jokes. :woot: