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scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 12:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/45-year-old-swimmer-wants-qualify-Olympics/ss/events/sp/062008hoddingcarter#photoViewer=/080619/483/115d9738f9b84aaa9ae4543caf7558b1

scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 12:52 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/oly_swm_olympic_long_shot

ande
June 20th, 2008, 01:27 PM
here's the Trials cuts (LCM)
Qualifying period 4/1/2005 through entry deadline
50 FREESTYLE 23.49
100 FREESTYLE 51.59
100 BUTTERFLY 55.59

below are his Times from the USMS Swims Database
if he were really trying to make OT
he'd have many more LCM swims
since Trials Cuts are LCM only

the womens 50 cut is 26.39


William Carter
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Stroke Course Age Time Alt Adj Time Power Points Standard Meet Meet Date Meet Results

50 FR SCY 45 22.52 22.52 645 "AAA" 2008 ME Tuffin Up 2/10/2008 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 44 22.70 22.70 628 "AAA" 2007 ME Winter Champs 3/15/2007 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 44 22.70 22.70 628 "AAA" 2007 ME Winter Champs 3/15/2007 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 45 23.14 23.14 588 "AA" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 45 23.22r 23.22 580 "AA" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 45 23.24 23.24 578 "AA" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay
50 FR SCY 45 23.29 23.29 574 "AA" 2007 ME Bowdoin Open 12/7/2007 Individual Relay

100 FR SCY 45 50.53 50.53 557 "AA" 2008 ME Tuffin Up 2/10/2008 Individual Relay
100 FR SCY 45 50.59 50.59 555 "AA" 2007 ME Bowdoin Open 12/7/2007 Individual Relay
100 FR SCY 45 50.89 50.89 541 "AA" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay
100 FR SCY 45 51.09 51.09 531 "AA" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay

200 FR SCY 45 1:55.42 1:55.42 432 "A" 2007 ME Bowdoin Open 12/7/2007 Individual Relay

100 FL SCY 44 55.59 55.59 549 "AA" 2007 ME Winter Champs 3/15/2007 Individual Relay
100 FL SCY 44 56.20 56.20 523 "AA" 2007 ME Winter Champs 3/15/2007 Individual Relay
100 FL SCY 45 57.67 57.67 463 "A" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay
100 FL SCY 45 57.99 57.99 450 "A" 2008 ME Winter Champs 3/6/2008 Individual Relay

50 FR LCM 44 26.03 26.03 655 "AAA" 2007 ME Summer Champs 7/25/2007 Individual Relay
50 FR LCM 44 26.03 26.03 655 "AAA" 2007 ME Summer Champs 7/25/2007 Individual Relay

100 FR LCM 44 59.03 59.03 531 "AA" 2007 ME Summer Champs 7/25/2007 Individual Relay
100 FL LCM 44 1:05.44 1:05.44 461 "A" 2007 ME Summer Champs 7/25/2007 Individual Relay
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scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Thanks Ande.

Jazz Hands
June 20th, 2008, 01:43 PM
He's not an Olympic hopeful. He's a guy trying to sell a book.

Mighty Minnow
June 20th, 2008, 02:05 PM
When your dreams die, you die!
Keep dreaming Hod! I'm rooting for you-

hofffam
June 20th, 2008, 02:14 PM
That story is a waste of ink/pixels. A reporter must have been motivated to find a feel good Olympic story. As Ande points out - he isn't a serious contender to make trials. Nothing wrong with his dream - but writing about it is another issue.

gull
June 20th, 2008, 02:38 PM
He's a guy trying to sell a book.

You mean a writer?

ande
June 20th, 2008, 02:51 PM
as jazz said Hodding has a book which we've discussed at
http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10780
I have a copy, Hodding is a very good writer.

In 1992 I wanted to make OT cuts in the 50 fr
the cut was 23.49 and I went 23.65
missed it by 16/100ths

there's no way he can drop from 26.03 to 23.49
that's 2.54 seconds
Time has taken it's toll

If the exceptional swimmers of my era like Rowdy Gaines, Tom Jager, or Matt Biondi came out of retirement and sincerely trained, they should be able to make OT cuts.

Swimmers like Gary Hall, Josh Davis and Neil Walker should definitely be able to make Olympic Trials cuts in the 50 & maybe even 100 in their early 40's.

Dara's already done it


That story is a waste of ink/pixels. A reporter must have been motivated to find a feel good Olympic story. As Ande points out - he isn't a serious contender to make trials. Nothing wrong with his dream - but writing about it is another issue.

gull
June 20th, 2008, 03:23 PM
My point is that there is nothing wrong with trying to sell a book. That is what writers do.

aquageek
June 20th, 2008, 03:53 PM
There was a segment on NPR this morning about him, or someone like him. As much as it pains me to say this, our own Smiths are much more impressive than this guy, swimming wise anyway.

Again, agreeing with JH, the apocalypse is upon us.

gull
June 20th, 2008, 04:05 PM
As much as it pains me to say this, our own Smiths are much more impressive than this guy, swimming wise anyway.

So where can I get copies of their books?

Rob Copeland
June 20th, 2008, 04:14 PM
So where can I get copies of their books?You can get Off the Deep End by W. Hodding Carter at Amazon or other book sellers. It is a fun summertime reader for us avid swimmers.

JMiller
June 20th, 2008, 04:29 PM
The ability to be an effective communicator and an entertaining writer is completely different than the skills required to be an elite swimmer. Anyone that can "sell" swimming to the general public is a sure winner in my book.

Two thumbs out! (Popov style)

scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 04:36 PM
You can get Off the Deep End by W. Hodding Carter at Amazon or other book sellers. It is a fun summertime reader for us avid swimmers.

Perhaps you are aware and simply trying to diffuse a potential conflict, but I think Gull wants some books authored by the Smith brothers.

What might the titles be? Would there be references to USMS forumites? Color photographs? A section devoted to triathlon swimmers?

Sam Perry
June 20th, 2008, 04:54 PM
Perhaps you are aware and simply trying to diffuse a potential conflict, but I think Gull wants some books authored by the Smith brothers.

What might the titles be? Would there be references to USMS forumites? Color photographs? A section devoted to triathlon swimmers?


How bout Geek's writings on the art of water noodling and how to delevop Vo2 Max capacity if you are an Eastern European? (That one is for us "long time forumites")

I don't know about John but Paul is the expert on training with fins, snorkels, paddles, and a buoy all at the same time expose'. Although I could definitely write the forward.

scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 04:57 PM
How bout Geek's writings on the art of water noodling and how to delevop Vo2 Max capacity if you are an Eastern European? (That one is for us "long time forumites")



IAB

ehoch
June 20th, 2008, 05:03 PM
What really gets me is that he is talking of actually qualifying for the Olympics -- not just Trials.

I feel about this about the same way I felt about the following:

Porn star for Governor?


Mary Carey... believes she can beat Arnie with the help of new teeth, breast implants and a spot on The Tonight Show.


Schwarzenegger, who is seeking a second term, made an appearance on NBC's The Tonight Show with Jay Leno earlier this month, prompting Democrat Phil Angelides to complain he also deserved airtime.

"More people know that I am running for governor than (know of) Arnold's Democratic challenger," Carey said. "Our polling results have shown my name to be more recognizable than any other candidate in the race."

The star of Boobsville Sorority Girls and Cheerleader School is running for governor as a write-in candidate and said her name was among the top search terms on Google -- proving she had the popularity to win. She said her request to be on the show was denied.

She attracted wide attention during her first bid for California governor in 2003. In preparation for this year's race she lost weight, replaced her teeth and got new breast implants.

"I just don't think it's fair of Jay to have his friend Arnie on, and not me," Carey said in a statement. "I think Jay would really like me once he got a chance to meet me. And I'd be a better interview since I'm much cuter and speak better English."

Leno has so far declined to have Angelides, who has been criticized even within his own party for a lack of charisma and is lagging in the polls, as a guest on The Tonight Show.

A spokesman for Leno could not immediately be reached for comment.

gull
June 20th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Title IX, Foreign Athletes, and the Decline of Swimming in America by John Smith, and

Advil: Breakfast of Champions by Paul Smith.

knelson
June 20th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Carter is reading from and signing his book tonight at a local bookstore. I might stop by after swim practice.

aquageek
June 20th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Title IX, Foreign Athletes, and the Decline of Swimming in America by John Smith, and

Advil: Breakfast of Champions by Paul Smith.

Dang it, you beat me to it, that's what I get for starting my weekend drinking early.

I was gonna offer the following titles:

Noodling - The Art of Staying Dry While Swimming

The Dark Side of Men's Swimming - Women - forward by Smith #1, main body by Smith #2

Free Lattes All Around, Gull Is in Town - by yours truly

The 5 am Workout and Loss of Sex in a Marriage - anonymous

Desperate Housewife, A Minivan Love Story - guess who

What I Know About Swimming, A Novel of One Sentence - Dolphin 2

scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Dang it, you beat me to it, that's what I get for starting my weekend drinking early.

I was gonna offer the following titles:

Noodling - The Art of Staying Dry While Swimming

The Dark Side of Men's Swimming - Women - forward by Smith #1, main body by Smith #2

Free Latte's All Around, Gull Is in Town - by yours truly

The 5 am Workout and Loss of Sex in a Marriage - anonymous
:lmao:

TheGoodSmith
June 20th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Actually Geek if the book is supposed to be about me it'll be titled something like.....

"Your Average John Smith" by John Smith

"Lost in a World of Mediocrity" by John Smith

"The Most Irritating Man in the Pool" by John Smith

"Don't Train, Just Swim the 50" by John Smith

"Caffeine and Albuterol, A Masters Guide to Success" by John Smith

aquageek
June 20th, 2008, 06:02 PM
"The Most Irritating Man in the Pool" by John Smith

You are selling yourself WAY short on that.

scyfreestyler
June 20th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Actually Geek if the book is supposed to be about me it'll be titled something like.....

"Your Average John Smith" by John Smith

"Lost in a World of Mediocrity" by John Smith

"The Most Irritating Man in the Pool" by John Smith

"Don't Train, Just Swim the 50" by John Smith

"Caffeine and Albuterol, A Masters Guide to Success" by John Smith

The last two are quite comical, but that first one...it might actually be a title worth pursuing.

Paul Smith
June 20th, 2008, 09:32 PM
I've seen write up's about the book in the sports section of USA Today and the Arizona Republic.

Some folks say that there is no "bad" press....and granted he's getting some attention on not just swimming but on masters swimming...I just don't know.

Then again its all a joke....its sad because the reality is that the accomplishments of some of the swimmers in masters is truly worthy of recognition..you know the same one(s) that Swimming World didn't think was all that impressive in the last year.

Part of the problem of being in an organization (USMS) that can't/won't promote or define itself is that others (like Hodding) end up doing it for you. The vast majority of people who know about swimming (either from age group, high school, college or fitness) think that A) swimming is for old ladies with flowered caps (yeah I know that describes Geek) or B) Fitness swimmers who think masters implies to fast for me to work out with ((S)he).

But what the heck...sell some books make some $$$

ALM
June 20th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Noodling - The Art of Staying Dry While Swimming


Was this one written by SwimStud?

Allen Stark
June 20th, 2008, 11:04 PM
This weekend is the last chance for a 46 year old who can(hopefully) make trials cuts-GO DENNIS:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader
Carter has no chance,but his book is about the best we've got on Masters Swimming so far(eagerly awaiting one of geeks books.)

ALM
June 20th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Carter has no chance,but his book is about the best we've got on Masters Swimming so far(eagerly awaiting one of geeks books.)

Have you read Staying With It by John Jerome? It's a good one about Masters swimming.

knelson
June 21st, 2008, 12:21 AM
So where can I get copies of their books?

Exactly. This is a tough crowd here. Obviously Hodding Carter even making Trials was a lofty goal, but can you fault the guy for trying? Maybe I'm misreading some people here, but I get the feeling some of you are sort of like "how dare he!" Well, the bottom line is he's the one who wrote a book about it and that's why he's getting the attention right now rather than other swimmers in their 40s with admittedly more accolades.

I went to see his appearance tonight and he's a nice guy. He says he'll try to post here more. I'm not sure if he's ready for Geek or the Smiths :)

He also mentioned he's heading to Austin soon to swim at Barton Springs with Keith Bell. I think Ande should try to swim with him while he's in town.

The Fortress
June 22nd, 2008, 09:55 AM
Desperate Housewife, A Minivan Love Story - guess who

Just so I don't have to be Susan!

I'd also be happy to write "Securing Insurance Coverage For Your Ortho Bills"

ehoch
June 22nd, 2008, 03:36 PM
1 Doug Pride 45 MAINE-NE 25.69M
2 Hodding Carter 46 MAINE-NE 27.37

Not even the women's trials cut ......

Jazz Hands
June 22nd, 2008, 03:47 PM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow. Why is this interesting?

mctrusty
June 22nd, 2008, 04:18 PM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow. Why is this interesting?

See post #30 above. He wrote a lighthearted book about being an older swimmer, like many masters swimmers who have to be creative in how they work their training around their life. I'll probably pick up his book because I like to read and I think that it'll be entertaining and at least somewhat relevant to my life.

It's not like Hemingway was ever a bullfighter, but nobody really faults him for his writing on the subject without his even being a matador.

knelson
June 22nd, 2008, 06:12 PM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow. Why is this interesting?

In the 2007 FINA SCM rankings he's 2nd in the 50 fly, 3rd in the 100 free and 4th in the 40 free with a 24.50 (Paul Smith is first with a 24.29). You consider that slow, huh?

If Susan von der Lippe, Paul Smith or Erik Hochstein wrote a book about their swimming experiences I'm sure I'd read it, too. The thing is they haven't...

scyfreestyler
June 22nd, 2008, 08:21 PM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow. Why is this interesting?

Slow with respect to whom? :shakeshead:

gull
June 23rd, 2008, 09:58 AM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow. Why is this interesting?

I thought he used Mike Schmidt's workouts (as does Michael Ross). That's not training hard?

Since I am slower than Carter (by a significant margin), with no top ten times (compared to his 14), I guess I have no business writing a book either.

The publication of his book does not preclude someone else (Jim Thornton?) writing about other arguably more elite Masters swimmers. Perhaps he could call it Fountain of Youth or Stopping the Clock.

lefty
June 23rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
There is this familiar scent, I cannot quite get a handle on it, I think it last appeared in a thread about Kevin Doak. All I know is that it stinks.

Rob Nasser
June 24th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Typo...

Isn't that supposed to be "You're average, John Smith"??

Slowswim
June 24th, 2008, 03:54 PM
So, this guy drinks a lot, doesn't train hard, and swims slow.

This would be my book. :drink: :fish2: :oldman:

:groovy:

JMiller
June 24th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Stopping the Clock.

I like that title, has no-one used it yet?

cdrcld
June 26th, 2008, 02:56 PM
He's not an Olympic hopeful. He's a guy trying to sell a book.

I went to college with Hodding. He wasn't exceptionally fast then either. But he loves swimming...just like all of us who read these threads.

jaegermeister
July 13th, 2008, 09:12 PM
I just finished this book. I found it humorous, brutally honest, entertaining, a nice light read. But in the end it was pretty unsatisfying.

No doubt the outrageous goal of not just making a trials cut but making the team was a stunt, and not a bad one, since it gets our attention fast. And its apparent when reading it that he's really focusing on making the trials cut, which he didn't achieve in his 20s.

What's great about the book was that he's described just about all the crazy ideas most of us have had at some point in our training & competing, and done it in a fun way. What's maddening is that the tone of the book is inconsistent. I'm sure he had a deadline, but he didn't have the guts to delay publication 'till after the outcome of his quest was determined.

But how many readable books about master's swimming to we get to chose from?

geochuck
July 13th, 2008, 09:31 PM
Canada has a 57 year old who is going to the Olympics. What is so strange about a 45 year old??? Her name is Susan Nattrass.

james lucas
July 14th, 2008, 12:40 AM
It’s a fact that Carter is slow compared with world-class swimmers . But I don't see why that should color one's judgment of Carter's book.

If Mark Spitz, the fastest swimmer of my generation, were to swim his best times, he would struggle to keep up with today’s top college swimmers, much less the Olympic swimmers. In fact, when it comes to swimming, sooner or later we’re all losers. And if only "winners" can stand up for swimming (and, in fairness, I’m slower than Carter, and by a lot), then this sport is destined for obscurity.

This book seems to be accessible to swimmers and those not yet in the water. Past Olympics have inspired more people to get into the pool, and the release of this book is timed to help tap that wave of enthusiasm and show that, while a shot at the Olympic team may be out of reach, an hour in the pool is within reach and is worth pursuing. If it does that, then this book is a project worthy of applause.:applaud:

Peter Cruise
July 14th, 2008, 01:21 AM
George, Susan probably wouldn't thank you for bringing her name into this discussion and because her sport involves firearms one would wish not to tick her off.
Actually the shooting sports are yet another area bedeviled by the drug questions, in their case beta blockers for example.