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gull
June 28th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Any thoughts on sizing? I am 5'11", 150 pounds, waist 32", chest 40"--I was thinking a size 26. The local distributor only stocks the Point Zero but will be contacting the company Monday. They may try to have a few sizes shipped.

JimRude
June 28th, 2008, 03:56 PM
FWIW, I am 6'2", 190lbs, 32 inch waist, 43 inch chest. I was able to squeeeeeze into a size 30 Nero Comp.

chowmi
June 28th, 2008, 05:32 PM
For ladies -

I just ordered a W24 and W26 to try. Will report back. I tried to google for any coupons, but couldn't find any for the nero. I didn't look too hard.

ande
June 28th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Michelle, to help the ladies here, your proportions are?

I'm 6" 3 & 3/4" 215ish wore a 32 and want to try a 30,
David Guthrie is 6'2" 205ish and wore at 30 at Sr Cir

Sizing Chart (http://www.blueseventy.com/docs/NERO_SIZE_CHART_A5.pdf)

Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha)


swim outlet now carries blue seventy
Mens Full Body (http://tinyurl.com/yu2hwd) and Womens Full body (http://tinyurl.com/264te8)
I have a feeling many swimmers are going to try them out at Trials

article
http://www.swimnetwork.com/articles/article/news/20080531/the_fastest_suit_you_ve_never_heard_of-12877.html



For ladies -

I just ordered a W24 and W26 to try. Will report back. I tried to google for any coupons, but couldn't find any for the nero. I didn't look too hard.

chowmi
June 28th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Thanks Ande. That would help readers. Here's me:

5' 9" (round up)
140 lbs
34/29/35
thigh 21
body loop about 62 (hard to measure oneself; kids are of no help)
Speedo FS Pro 26L

Again, a W24 and W26 (recommended) are on the way.

Glider
June 28th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Nahhh...Nope. I'm not gonna do it. I'll leave the "comments" for Stud:laugh2:


Thanks Ande. That would help readers. Here's me:

5' 9" (round up)
140 lbs
34/29/35
thigh 21
body loop about 62 (hard to measure oneself; kids are of no help)
Speedo FS Pro 26L

Again, a W24 and W26 (recommended) are on the way.

ehoch
June 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM
I am 6-5 and 190 and tried a 28 at the JEI meet based on Roque Santos -- it was tight but ok in terms of size. So you can size down quite a bit.

Syd
June 28th, 2008, 08:54 PM
When making a decision on the correct size, what is the most important specification to be taken into account?

Gull, according to your height, you should be wearing a size 28. But a size 28 specifies a 37" chest, a 29" waist and a body mass of 170 lbs. You have a 40" chest, a 32" waist and weigh 150 lbs.

Is height the most important spec?

Am interested to know what size you choose.

Syd
June 28th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Have just seen Hoch's post. If, at 6'5" and 190 lbs, he can fit into a 28, then I am guessing that Gull you should be going for, at the biggest, a 26.

Midas
June 30th, 2008, 04:32 PM
I tried on the blueseventy pointzero3+s over the weekend. I'm 6'0", 165, 32"-33" waist and I fit into the "SM" even though according to their size charts, the best fit would be the "M". I'm really not sure what to do. The SM might be slightly too small but he M seems a little loose... The sales rep said I was about a "90% fit". Do I want to spend $300 on a suit that only 90% fits?

I'm guessing part of my problem is that my body type doesn't really fit into the size patterns they are using.

The nero sizing looks even more crazy. The Size 28 requires you to be between 5'10" and 6'4", have a 29 inch waist, a svelte 37" chest and weigh between 180 and 205. Who fits that mold?

The Fortress
June 30th, 2008, 05:12 PM
Thanks Ande. That would help readers. Here's me:

5' 9" (round up)
140 lbs
34/29/35
thigh 21
body loop about 62 (hard to measure oneself; kids are of no help)
Speedo FS Pro 26L

Again, a W24 and W26 (recommended) are on the way.

Michelle:

I'm smaller and shorter than you (although not maybe in the chest. I must have a bigger back. lol) and a W24 seemed to be the right size for me. I'm a 26 in the Pro. It was a battle extraordinaire to get in the nero comp the first time. After about a 20-25 minute struggle, I won. :weightlifter: It was much easier the next 2 times. Still, I can't imagine getting into a 22. The nero seems to run narrower than the Pro. Thankfully, it is much less fragile. I never considered buying or pre-ordering the LZR because of its fragility and my frequent Pro rips. I'm really glad. Only a few swims to judge so far, but I think it's a better suit for me. One downside: it doesn't dry off like the Pro! Mine was still somewhat wet for my second event.

ande
June 30th, 2008, 06:39 PM
heard 2 swimmers at trials wore nero comps in prelims
then wore LZR's in finals and went slower

Dustin Mclarty wore one in the 400IM finished 6th after qualifying in 8th
prelims
8 5 3 MCLARTY Dustin 1986 DBSFL
0.66 4:21.05 7.67 Q
50m 26.82
30.72
100m 57.54
33.99
150m 1:31.53
33.45
200m 2:04.98
38.11
250m 2:43.09
38.26
300m 3:21.35
30.61
350m 3:51.96
29.09

Finals
8 MCLARTY Dustin DBSFL
0.69 4:18.90 13.65
50m (4) 26.95
30.95
100m (6) 57.90
33.66
150m (6) 1:31.56
32.71
200m (6) 2:04.27
37.31
250m (7) 2:41.58
38.02
300m (7) 3:19.60
30.19
350m (7) 3:49.79
29.11

Midas
June 30th, 2008, 06:48 PM
For what it's worth Susan Von Der Lippe wore one and was a tenth SLOWER than her seed time (swum with an FS Pro, I think she said).


heard 2 swimmers at trials wore nero comps in prelims
then wore LZR's in finals and went slower

Dustin Mclarty wore one in the 400IM finished 6th after qualifying in 8th
prelims
8 5 3 MCLARTY Dustin 1986 DBSFL
0.66 4:21.05 7.67 Q
50m 26.82
30.72
100m 57.54
33.99
150m 1:31.53
33.45
200m 2:04.98
38.11
250m 2:43.09
38.26
300m 3:21.35
30.61
350m 3:51.96
29.09

Finals
8 MCLARTY Dustin DBSFL
0.69 4:18.90 13.65
50m (4) 26.95
30.95
100m (6) 57.90
33.66
150m (6) 1:31.56
32.71
200m (6) 2:04.27
37.31
250m (7) 2:41.58
38.02
300m (7) 3:19.60
30.19
350m (7) 3:49.79
29.11

chowmi
July 2nd, 2008, 09:50 AM
Blueseventy's website added more detail to their sizing chart - an upper and lower height, and upper and lower weight. This really helps! Thanks Fort for your feedback!

LindsayNB
July 2nd, 2008, 02:47 PM
I'd really like to see a picture of one these guys with a 29" waist, 37" chest and weighs in at 204 pounds.

ande
July 2nd, 2008, 02:55 PM
I'd think there's few people with
a 29 waist, a 37 chest that weigh 204
their chest would have to be much larger like 42 - 45


I'd really like to see a picture of one these guys with a 29" waist, 37" chest and weighs in at 204 pounds.

swimmj
July 2nd, 2008, 03:05 PM
Michelle:

I'm smaller and shorter than you (although not maybe in the chest. I must have a bigger back. lol) and a W24 seemed to be the right size for me. I'm a 26 in the Pro. It was a battle extraordinaire to get in the nero comp the first time. After about a 20-25 minute struggle, I won. :weightlifter: It was much easier the next 2 times. Still, I can't imagine getting into a 22. The nero seems to run narrower than the Pro. Thankfully, it is much less fragile. I never considered buying or pre-ordering the LZR because of its fragility and my frequent Pro rips. I'm really glad. Only a few swims to judge so far, but I think it's a better suit for me. One downside: it doesn't dry off like the Pro! Mine was still somewhat wet for my second event.

Hi Fort,

Can you be more specific about your height and weight? I wear a 25L
fspro high neck, am 5'7", 130, 34, 26, 36 - long slimmer torso (except for booty and back), shorter stubby legs.

Can you guess on a size for me?

Thanks so much for any insight!

--mj

LindsayNB
July 2nd, 2008, 03:27 PM
I'd think there's few people with
a 29 waist, a 37 chest that weigh 204
their chest would have to be much larger like 42 - 45

Exactly. The B70 sizing chart seems to be designed for martians!

I'm 6'1", 32" waist, 41" chest, which is looking good for size 32 except the minimum weight is 215 lbs and I only weigh 170! I can't imagine adding 45 lbs without increasing my waist and chest measurements!

To fit the weight ranges I would be a size 26 but my other measurements are totally out of whack for the size 26.

I can't imagine real people matching any of the sizes in all the measurements.

Midas
July 2nd, 2008, 04:37 PM
Exactly. The B70 sizing chart seems to be designed for martians!

I'm 6'1", 32" waist, 41" chest, which is looking good for size 32 except the minimum weight is 215 lbs and I only weigh 170! I can't imagine adding 45 lbs without increasing my waist and chest measurements!

To fit the weight ranges I would be a size 26 but my other measurements are totally out of whack for the size 26.

I can't imagine real people matching any of the sizes in all the measurements.

I noted the same issue in my post above. Does anybody know how to get a hold of Roque Santos? He might be able to shed some light on the sizing...

The Fortress
July 2nd, 2008, 04:41 PM
Hi Fort,

Can you be more specific about your height and weight? I wear a 25L
fspro high neck, am 5'7", 130, 34, 26, 36 - long slimmer torso (except for booty and back), shorter stubby legs.

Can you guess on a size for me?

Thanks so much for any insight!

--mj

mj:

I'm 5'4 with a somewhat long torso, but probably more muscular than you. I dragged out a tape measure just for you: 34, 25, 35. Not sure on idea on weight. No scale. But last time I checked I was around 125. You'd probably fit in a 24 as well. You're slim enough for a 22, but quite a few inches taller than the sizing charts indicate. 22 might be too tight on the shoulders or too short. Or you could make like ehoch and try a 22 if B70 would let you return it. Just be patient getting it on!

Gull:

I think a 28 would be too big for you! You seem around Glenn Mills size, except slimmer. Glenn said his 28 was way too big for him and he was collecting water in the lower back. Oops, sorry reread, and you're thinking 26. Sounds like you might be a 24 though.

I think Roque has been estimating a bit too big, from what I've heard.

NotVeryFast
July 3rd, 2008, 06:46 AM
Has anyone actually been able to get hold of one of these suits anyway? I've had a Nero Comp on order from the Blue Seventy website for over 3 weeks, and my order is just sat there in state "Pending".

I suspect they aren't going to be sending any out to "normal" swimmers until after the Olympics.

By the way, I agree with the above comments, the sizings are all wrong for my body as well. By weight I'm size 24-26, by height 26-28, by waist 30, and by chest, some non-existent much bigger size that they don't make (44" chest). My order is for a 30 just because of past experience that suits are always very tight around my chest, and I just have to put up with them being loose around the waist. Even suits that are loose around the waist have in the past left me with marks around my chest for several months after a 1500 race, and for this reason I wear legskins most of the time now.

gull
July 3rd, 2008, 09:12 AM
I think a 28 would be too big for you! You seem around Glenn Mills size, except slimmer. Glenn said his 28 was way too big for him and he was collecting water in the lower back. Oops, sorry reread, and you're thinking 26. Sounds like you might be a 24 though.

Maybe so. But I am afraid that even a 26 will feel tight around my chest and shoulders. My FS II (which our team received in a care package from Klete Keller a couple of years ago) is a large/long and fits perfectly.

tjrpatt
July 3rd, 2008, 09:30 AM
All I know is that these suits are made for people who don't have a 32 waist.

ande
July 3rd, 2008, 10:47 AM
Gil Stovall (http://www.georgiadogs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8800&ATCLID=332338) wore a Blue Seventy Nero Comp in the 200 Butterfly finals (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2008/Omaha_b_2008/C73A1_Res1Heat_112_Finals_1_Men_200_Fly.pdf) and made the US 2008 Olympic Team
at the 150 mark in the race
Tarwater was 1:23.42,
Stovall was 1:24.00.
off the turn Stovall pushed off deeper and SDKed further catching and passing Tarwater on the last length.

1 4 PHELPS Michael CWMI
0.74 (1) 25.47 (1) 53.75 (1) 1:23.04 1:52.20 US
28.28 29.29 29.16

2 3 STOVALL Gil ABSCGA
0.69 (7) 26.28 (3) 54.81 (3) 1:24.00 1:53.86 1.66
28.53 29.19 29.86

3 5 TARWATER Davis CWMI
0.74 (1) 25.47 (2) 54.21 (2) 1:23.42 1:54.46 2.26
28.74 29.21 31.04

ehoch
July 3rd, 2008, 05:12 PM
Tried my new B70 nero comp suit today. Size 26 - I am 6-5 and 190 !

I had tried a Kneeskin in that size at the Janet Evans meet, but this is quite a bit different. You can pull up the kneesking quite a bit - so the suits seemed to fit ok at the JEI meet (it was still tight). Also - I was not the first person wearing the suit, so it may have been stretched. Anyway - today it took me about 10 minutes to put it on. It was VERY tight - especially around my shoulders - slicing into my traps. When I bent down to put water in my google I realized how difficult the turns would be. I tried to adjust as best as I could - but it felt very tight around the shoulders.

Swimming -- I did feel a small lift, but in general I just felt very smooth going through the water - even though I could never quite loose the tightness around the shoulders. Small amount of water coming into chest - but that did not really bother me. The turns were very difficult - just could not really make myself small.

Times and swims -- all short-course meters from a push - timed (start)with the feet leaving the wall (I think Ande calls it a rolling start). I like to be timed like this when I go from a push, because I either have to get my own times or I always have different people timing me - this gives the least amount of timing differentials.
3x50s in 200 pace on 45 sec
I always know things are going really great in the water when I see my time and feel this smile coming over me -- 27 low has not felt this easy in a loooong time - even with very awkward turns. That is about a full second faster than what I can usually do (with no special suit).
all out 50 from a push -- 24.2 -- I had 2 people time and looked at the pace clock myself, and I still had a hard time believing it.

After that - i had to take off the suit, I could not stand it any more. I will try it one more time on Sunday -- if it stays the same, I will go with a 28.

ande
July 3rd, 2008, 11:24 PM
hey hoc,

you did some pretty fast swimming there
26 seems too tight
28 should work better
I've got a 32 and a 30
haven't tried the 30 yet

ande

CreamPuff
July 4th, 2008, 10:48 AM
5'8"
130 lbs
Don't have a measuring tape so not sure what the rest of my measurements are
Size 26 fits perfectly - Nero Comp
Did try a 24 and got it on however the crotch was about 2 inches too low - the legs were just too short for me

ande
July 4th, 2008, 11:54 AM
hey she

heard you swam in a meet in your blue seventy
please tell us your before and after times

ande

CreamPuff
July 4th, 2008, 05:43 PM
hey she

heard you swam in a meet in your blue seventy
please tell us your before and after times

ande

I think there's a covenant (one of many) against posting my times as that could imply that I may have a hint of a competitive nature, so I PM'd you.

Wasn't tapered or rested as I've got a 25K in 2 weeks, but the biggest drops were 22 seconds in the 800 fr and 14 in the 200 fly. Swam 6 other events as well. Nice drops.

I think it was the B70 and all that weight lifting I've been doing. SDK's were stinky as the pool was 4 feet at the blocks and 3 feet at the other end of the pool. Okay, I'm joking on the weightlifting.

chowmi
July 8th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Stilling thinking about a suit? Make sure you get your order in plenty early before your big meet. My 06/28/08 order just got shipped yesterday. Whew! Was worried it went to the Land of Misfit Orders.

NotVeryFast
July 10th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Stilling thinking about a suit? Make sure you get your order in plenty early before your big meet. My 06/28/08 order just got shipped yesterday. Whew! Was worried it went to the Land of Misfit Orders.
That is very quick to get one. It has taken me about a month to get hold of one, I think they must be easier to get in the US than the UK.

I ended up getting a size 28 Nero Comp. This compares with me needing a 30 for an FS Pro legskin, for example, and the legskin is pretty tough to get on when new at that size. The size 28 Nero Comp was easier to get on than a 30 FS Pro legskin, but seemed to fit pretty snugly when on, I think the material is more stretchy than FS Pro material. So from my experience you need at least one size smaller than normal for the Blue Seventy suits. It's possible I could even fit into a 26, two sizes smaller than normal.

chowmi
July 10th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Not so fast, NotVeryFast!

I have not received my suit, and I leave for my one LCM meet of the season tomorrow morning. I may have been bamboozled (ie, the check is in the mail). Come to think of it, my monthly GotFruit has not arrived yet, either!

Sounds like you had sucess with this suit! Nice to hear they are stretchier than the FS Pros. Will be nice to hear back from you after a meet.

Allen Stark
July 11th, 2008, 12:19 PM
I had no trouble getting a suit right away(one week) and then,when it was too big they agreed to an exchange and it took 2 more weeks to get the replacement(but they had to get the first suit back before they would send the second.)Since they are in Seattle and I am in OR that may be part of why I got it so fast.Also,I called them instead of ordering online.I am very impressed that they have a return policy.

chowmi
July 11th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Hooray! My suits arrived today! Hey, wait a minute, i'm in Phoenix!

Allen Stark
July 14th, 2008, 07:57 PM
I tried my new Nero Comp size 26 and am unsure.The fit is tight and I REALLY felt chest constriction the last 50 of the 200 BR and Fly,it was like I just couldn't get a deep breath.Also I have well developed glutius maximus muscles(big butt).This along with the tightness along the back left a gap at the small of my back which was full of air when I dove in and I felt out of balance on my pull out.Any ideas?

chowmi
July 14th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Now i'm back from Phoenix....boo! Vacation was tooooo short. Meet was soooo much fun. I wish every day was a masters swim meet kind of day!

Now for the suit:
Size 26 is just right. 24 way, way too small in all directions.

Material - exactly like what Batman wears! Very sturdy feeling.

Leg opening - really small and hard to get on! Biggest difference is against the FS PRo with a relatively wide gap.

Leg length and width - short in length, tight in width. Very little room to even slightly miscalculate the Do-I-Have-Enough-Material-Up-to-the-Crotch question.

Buttocks and over the hips - don't let that high zipper fool you - this suit is much easier to get over that area than the FS PRO w/zipper. However, it seems just a bit small in the butt. And if you miscalculate on the legs, you will look like Spongebob Squarepants in the rear and have no waist.

Body/Torso - not as good compression as the FS PRO through the waist. Alas, a big step back in this direction. Feels a bit "short" in length - as evidenced by the pressure on my shoulders. Long sizes, that would be perfect!. Bigger gap in lowest back than my FS PRo.

Taking-your-mark test - yikes! Feels like you are going to rip the bottom out!

Overall look - not as slimming as the miracle FS PRO, but certainly a keeper. Can't wait to race next season and try it out!

Last thoughts - see what your friends wear. I had trouble getting the 26 on at first, and almost decided it was too small, but with reference sizes, I just knew I could get it on. After attempt #1, I got it on in about 5 minutes no problem. So I think it does stretch out after the first try.

Haven't and won't try it out until October meets, but I don't really care - it's a keeper!

ande
July 14th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Did the Sunday LA work out at Loyola
Jackie coached

EHoch put on a hineck pro and went 22.1
then later put on his size 26 Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha) and
went 21.1 for a 50 free off the blocks

impressive

The Fortress
July 14th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Size 26 is just right. 24 way, way too small in all directions.

Leg length and width - short in length, tight in width. Very little room to even slightly miscalculate the Do-I-Have-Enough-Material-Up-to-the-Crotch question.

Buttocks and over the hips - don't let that high zipper fool you - this suit is much easier to get over that area than the FS PRO w/zipper. However, it seems just a bit small in the butt. And if you miscalculate on the legs, you will look like Spongebob Squarepants in the rear and have no waist.

Body/Torso - not as good compression as the FS PRO through the waist. Alas, a big step back in this direction. Feels a bit "short" in length - as evidenced by the pressure on my shoulders. Long sizes, that would be perfect!. Bigger gap in lowest back than my FS PRo.



Thanks for the feedback!

I agree on the short in length, tight in width. The legs are the worst and the hips are easier than the Pro. But you think the B70 is smaller in the butt and no compression in the waist?! I didn't notice that. Seems easier to get over the butt and plenty of compression in waist. Tight on top, for me as well. In fact, I think I have some degradation of the seams on the top front already ... Gap in the lower back seems documented by virtually all who have used it. Definitely not as "flattering" as the Pro. And of no use on SDKs at all for me. (I haven't trained them lately, and it shows!)

Haven't used it much yet, but the B70 seems of greater utility on longer distances to me. Although it does feel very smooth and I love the fact that it doesn't rip.

ande
July 16th, 2008, 12:39 PM
ehoch inspired me

today I fit into a new 30 without much trouble
think I need to try a 28

I'm 6' 3 & 3/4" 210ish

JimRude
July 16th, 2008, 05:32 PM
... FWIW, I am as prev stated about 6'2" and 190 lbs. Squeeezed into a mens's 30 when dry.

Test-piloted the suit this past weekend at a meet warm-up and concluded that I can go a size smaller - too much loose fabric, particularly around the waist.

B70 have said no problem exchanging - we'll see how fast the new suit takes to arrive...

Paul Smith
July 16th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Definitely not as "flattering" as the Pro.

What....are we trying to get dates here Fort & Chowmi??!!

The Fortress
July 16th, 2008, 05:46 PM
What....are we trying to get dates here Fort & Chowmi??!!

No one wants to look like a fat tank, even when old.

Chatted with a LZR- clad trialist about the B70. He said they were being handed out at trials, much like the LZR. Some complaints about them being heavy and wet after a race. They definitely take forever to dry.

geochuck
July 17th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Shawn from Blue Seventy is here for the Ironman Lake Placid. He can tell all about their swim wear.

thewookiee
July 17th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Chatted with a LZR- clad trialist about the B70. He said they were being handed out at trials, much like the LZR. Some complaints about them being heavy and wet after a race. They definitely take forever to dry.

A friend of mine that sells Blueseventy echoed the same thing about being heavy and forever to dry. But then she added, anything with neoprene(marketing terms...chlorpene) in them will take a while to dry, much like a wetsuit. Which makes me wonder, how this suit did become legal, with it having neoprene in it the material.

pwolf66
July 17th, 2008, 01:38 PM
ehoch inspired me

today I fit into a new 30 without much trouble
think I need to try a 28

I'm 6' 3 & 3/4" 210ish

So would a 30 be the right size for me?

matysekj
July 17th, 2008, 02:14 PM
I got a men's size 28 and think it's the right fit for me. I'm 6'0" and 189, with a 33" waist and 44" chest. Haven't tried it in water yet - that'll happen this weekend. It took me 6 minutes to put on, which some say is too short, but is just right for me. I hate to be too bound up, hate the feeling of straps digging in too tight on my traps, and need room to expand my lungs when swimming. This suit is still MUCH tighter than my FS1's, which admittedly were getting a little loose. Any tighter than this and I'm sure I'd have a hard time crouching down for a start.

pwolf66
July 17th, 2008, 02:33 PM
I'm looking for advice from folks who have a) bought and worn a B70 and b) have met me and have an idea of my dimensions to judge.

Paul

Paul Smith
July 17th, 2008, 02:54 PM
I'm looking for advice from folks who have a) bought and worn a B70 and b) have met me and have an idea of my dimensions to judge.

Paul

Hulkster...call them and talk live...they'll walk you thru the sizing which should be based on weight not height. I bought a 32 (6' 6" 230)

Jim...cheater...trying to do a lifetime best eh?!

matysekj
July 17th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Jim...cheater...trying to do a lifetime best eh?!

Guilty as charged. I'll try things like new suits if they are legal and I can afford them. I won't try supplements that I believe may be damaging to my health, even if legal. As a diabetic, I don't want to do anything that could harm me.

BTW, at age 48 (49 metric), I have not given up hope of doing a lifetime best in the 100 breast. I've been going the wrong direction in the past few years, but don't believe it to be impossible with better stroke mechanics, a lucky year or two without injuries, and yes - a cheatin' suit.

Sam Perry
July 17th, 2008, 06:55 PM
I got a 30 in the mail this week. Roque Santos thought that should be right as I am 6'2", 185 lbs., 44" Chest. I hope I got the right size, maybe I should have gotten a 28. Question, since I am a newbie. When wearing this thing at a meet, do you put it on just before your race and then take it off, or wear it through the day so it can dry easier? Can't imagine having this thing on for more than 10 minutes. Another reason NOT to do the mile!

Paul Smith
July 17th, 2008, 07:34 PM
I got a 30 in the mail this week. Roque Santos thought that should be right as I am 6'2", 185 lbs., 44" Chest. I hope I got the right size, maybe I should have gotten a 28. Question, since I am a newbie. When wearing this thing at a meet, do you put it on just before your race and then take it off, or wear it through the day so it can dry easier? Can't imagine having this thing on for more than 10 minutes. Another reason NOT to do the mile!

Sam...i'm wondering if you went to big...if Hock went into a 26 and he's about your size as I recall?

And no way could I keep that thing on in between swims...I found if I put it on about 10-15 minutes before my race then got in the water a couple of heats beforehand it worked well.

chowmi
July 17th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Ho Ho Ho Sam Perry!

Here's something for the ongoing definition of a masters swimmer: Wears swimskin a size large to be able to sit through entire 8 hour masters meet in it.

Ho Ho Ho!

Sam Perry
July 17th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Sam...i'm wondering if you went to big...if Hock went into a 26 and he's about your size as I recall?

And no way could I keep that thing on in between swims...I found if I put it on about 10-15 minutes before my race then got in the water a couple of heats beforehand it worked well.

I am going to try it tomorrow AM. Send it back if too big. Screw the shoulder Paul, I am seeing the doctor tomorrow.

jim clemmons
July 18th, 2008, 02:13 PM
I got a men's size 28 and think it's the right fit for me. I'm 6'0" and 189, with a 33" waist and 44" chest. Haven't tried it in water yet - that'll happen this weekend. It took me 6 minutes to put on, which some say is too short, but is just right for me. I hate to be too bound up, hate the feeling of straps digging in too tight on my traps, and need room to expand my lungs when swimming. This suit is still MUCH tighter than my FS1's, which admittedly were getting a little loose. Any tighter than this and I'm sure I'd have a hard time crouching down for a start.

I got a 28 as well, tried it on during Champs and I'm afraid any smaller and my voice would end up about two octives higher. I'm 6'0" and about 195/200 - about the same size as Jim M. I didn't wear it during Pacific's LC Champs as I was sicker'n a dog and didn't want to waste the experience. I'm saving it for SCM since I won't be in Gresham.

ande
July 18th, 2008, 06:31 PM
you should get a 32
unless you've lost 30 or 40 pounds from nats


I'm looking for advice from folks who have a) bought and worn a B70 and b) have met me and have an idea of my dimensions to judge.

Paul

Paul Smith
July 18th, 2008, 06:35 PM
about the same size as Jim M.

Yeah but Jim's carrying around ll that "junk in the trunk" :mooning:

matysekj
July 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM
You've got to be kidding. It's a well known fact that Matysek's don't grow butts. Bellies, yes -- butts, no.

The Fortress
July 18th, 2008, 08:29 PM
you should get a 32
unless you've lost 30 or 40 pounds from nats

Meanie! He has lost weight. Still, I'd go with a 32, Paul. Unless you really like having mega tight suits digging into your shoulders. I don't that much actually, so I didn't push the envelope on the height recs. Hope you can get one. I know B70 is sold out of many ladies' sizes at the moment.

Mr. Pumpkin Butt avatar is saying others have "junk in the trunk?"

ande
July 19th, 2008, 09:51 AM
wasn't trying to be mean
just helpful
32 fits me well
30 is tight

ande from my phone

ande
July 23rd, 2008, 02:51 PM
here's a link to their blog

http://www.thewaterisopen.blogspot.com

I found out

Mark Foster (38) recently broke the British 50m free record wearing one and
plans to wear one at the olympics

swim news article
http://www.swimnews.com/News/displayStory.jhtml?id=6192

there's a funny flocast video with Roque putting one on a swimmer in an elevator

ande
August 3rd, 2008, 11:23 AM
swim outlet now carries the
Blue Seventy Nero Comps (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha)

LindsayNB
August 3rd, 2008, 01:23 PM
List Price: $395.00
Our Price: $393.95
You Save $1.05!

Wow, talk about heavy discounting! :2cents::2cents::2cents: :D

Ian Smith
August 5th, 2008, 10:33 PM
I got a men's size 28 and think it's the right fit for me. I'm 6'0" and 189, with a 33" waist and 44" chest. Haven't tried it in water yet - that'll happen this weekend.

Jim,
How was the suit? Where is it tight or loose? (legs, chest, waist, length?)

I'm 6'0", 33" waist but only 42" chest and 165lb and am considering a size 26 but am nervous of splitting it - it'll be a hassle to return/exchange it from up here, I'm sure.

Any comments from others more or less my size would be appreciated.
Ian.

matysekj
August 5th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Ian,

The suit is just the right fit for me. I wore it at a meet Saturday night and was just right. The water temp was 87 degrees and I didn't roast in the suit. Of course the sun was down for a night time meet - I'm sure it would have been MUCH different in the sun.

I don't like my suits to be too constricting like others do. I can't stand it if it digs in too tight on my traps. It still takes me 5 minutes or so to get it on and it is tight, but not so restrictive that I can't raise my arms. I do have to take time to really pull the legs up high so the crotch of the suit isn't hanging down too low, and this resulted in the bottom of the legs not going anywhere near my ankles (although not too high that they bothered my calves either). I did not feel any big bubbles down the back like some have mentioned, except perhaps a self-inflicted one :blush:. I also didn't have any extra floaty sensation swimming in it. My feet did not pop out of the water in breaststroke, which was my biggest fear if it floated me at all like a wetsuit. All in all, the suit felt pretty much like my full body FS1. I was planning on taking the suit off after the first event, but kept it on for the whole meet because it wasn't bothering me to do so. I did spend a fair amount of time in the pool between events to stay "cool".

I went just .05 slower than last year's nationals 400 IM time in the only event that I cared about at this meet. That's great to me, considering the water temp and the lack of a full taper. I'm expecting to drop another 5-10 seconds in Portland, so I'm psyched for the suit.

Oh, and by the way I just got re-measured and my waist came out as 35", even though I wear all 33" waist pants and they aren't tight.

Paul Smith
August 5th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Oh, and by the way I just got re-measured and my waist came out as 35", even though I wear all 33" waist pants and they aren't tight.

You and John are totally fair game for my comments about the Seinfeld episode on changing the size on your jeans...vanity run amuck with our WM...I love it!

Ian Smith
August 6th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Jim,
Thx for your impressions of the B70. I think I'll risk a size 26.
Ian.

ande
August 18th, 2008, 09:50 AM
heard reports of swimmers ripping their blue seventys

wonder if those who did followed the guidelines in the sizing chart (http://www.blueseventy.com/docs/NERO_SIZE_CHART_A5.pdf)

geochuck
August 18th, 2008, 11:05 AM
When some people buy a suit one or two sizes smaller then recommended. They figure the tighter the fit the better. I have my suit at 36 and my waist is 42 inches.

ande
August 21st, 2008, 11:25 AM
what a close race!

Dutch swimmer Maarten van der Weijden won the men's 10 kilometer marathon swim in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. He finished with a time of 1 hour 51 minutes 51.6 seconds Maarten He wore the mens 10k blueseventy (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha) suit in the race*

Maarten*wore a standard nero 10km, but because of heat concerns he had, B70 put silver panels on the back of the suit, instead of the black on the back. His federaton required no manu logo's hence the dutch logo and no blueseventy.

German Thomas Lurtz may have worn one too.

Ky hurst, a blueseventy*athlete, finished 11th. Pending
Thomas's suit B70 may have had at least 1, 2 and 11.

Official Results Men's Marathon 10km (http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/SW/C73C/SWM119101.shtml#SWM119101)

pwolf66
August 21st, 2008, 01:40 PM
I wore a 32 at Nats. From a length perspective it seemed OK. Not sure if I could have managed a 30. I might have had a Paul Smith(tm) incident.

pwb
October 15th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I got a 30 in the mail this week. Roque Santos thought that should be right as I am 6'2", 185 lbs., 44" Chest.

Sam -- did you ever race in this? If so, would you get the same size again or smaller as some have suggested?

Sam, Ande, Paul -- I'd appreciate your sizing recommendations here as I'm going to try one of the nero comp knee lengths suits in December (Rutgers/Colonies Zones). I'm hoping to get this in time to try it at the Ron Johnson meet in an event or two (50 free!)

I'm 6'4", about 190, 33/34" waist, 41/42" chest. I'm thinking the 30 as I don't want to blow my energy squeezing into a 28. However, I would like your thoughts on the chest fit for the nero comp. Prior to Austin Nats, I had bought a full length FS and used the speedo sizing. While it was fine in length, my scrawny chest meant it collected too much water there to feel fast. As a result, I didn't compete in it. I'm hoping the nero comp material is a little more form fitting even where my dimensions don't stack up?

jim clemmons
October 15th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I'm 6'4", about 190, 33/34" waist, 41/42" chest. I'm thinking the 30 as I don't want to blow my energy squeezing into a 28. However, I would like your thoughts on the chest fit for the nero comp. Prior to Austin Nats, I had bought a full length FS and used the speedo sizing. While it was fine in length, my scrawny chest meant it collected too much water there to feel fast. As a result, I didn't compete in it. I'm hoping the nero comp material is a little more form fitting even where my dimensions don't stack up?

I'm thinking your height is driving the 30? I'm 6 flat, 192, 44 chest and a 28 is (now) comfortable. Was a little tight at first, but either I've dropped a little weight or the suit has loosened up some. The first time I put it on I was thinking that if I was any taller, I'd be speaking an octive or two higher. I can get it on now in about a minute and a half if it's dry, I'm dry, I have the plastic bag for my feet and I'm not in panic mode because my heat's up earlier than planned. :cool:

pwolf66
October 15th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Sam -- did you ever race in this? If so, would you get the same size again or smaller as some have suggested?

Sam, Ande, Paul -- I'd appreciate your sizing recommendations here as I'm going to try one of the nero comp knee lengths suits in December (Rutgers/Colonies Zones). I'm hoping to get this in time to try it at the Ron Johnson meet in an event or two (50 free!)

I'm 6'4", about 190, 33/34" waist, 41/42" chest. I'm thinking the 30 as I don't want to blow my energy squeezing into a 28. However, I would like your thoughts on the chest fit for the nero comp. Prior to Austin Nats, I had bought a full length FS and used the speedo sizing. While it was fine in length, my scrawny chest meant it collected too much water there to feel fast. As a result, I didn't compete in it. I'm hoping the nero comp material is a little more form fitting even where my dimensions don't stack up?

It's not frame size that's key, it's height. Ask Mr '2 inches above maximum recommended height' what happens :mooning:

For 6'4" I would think that a 28 would be asking for trouble. A 30 _might_ be OK :afraid: but I'm 6'3", 250, 49" chest, 40" waist and a 32 is a good fit. I asked the salesperson about a 30 and she said that would not be a good idea.

ande
October 15th, 2008, 10:31 PM
I'd probably get a 28 or 30 full leg
Blue Seventy Nero Comps (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha)
blue seventy's don't have to be super tight
i've worn a 32 and a 32
david guthrie wore a 28 at nats



Sam -- did you ever race in this? If so, would you get the same size again or smaller as some have suggested?

Sam, Ande, Paul -- I'd appreciate your sizing recommendations here as I'm going to try one of the nero comp knee lengths suits in December (Rutgers/Colonies Zones). I'm hoping to get this in time to try it at the Ron Johnson meet in an event or two (50 free!)

I'm 6'4", about 190, 33/34" waist, 41/42" chest. I'm thinking the 30 as I don't want to blow my energy squeezing into a 28. However, I would like your thoughts on the chest fit for the nero comp. Prior to Austin Nats, I had bought a full length FS and used the speedo sizing. While it was fine in length, my scrawny chest meant it collected too much water there to feel fast. As a result, I didn't compete in it. I'm hoping the nero comp material is a little more form fitting even where my dimensions don't stack up?

pwb
October 16th, 2008, 12:11 AM
I'd probably get a 28 or 30 full leg


Paul, Jim and Ande -- thanks for the recommendations.

Ande -- why the full leg vs the knee length? While I'll swim mostly freestyle, I do IMs, as well. Whenever I tried full leg suits in the past, the breast kick always felt odd. Maybe it's just a feel thing I need to get over.

mjgold
October 16th, 2008, 09:57 AM
What do you do when your weight is one size, and your height is another? I'm 5'8.5" and 125 pounds, plus or minus. Weight-wise, I should be an XS, but height-wise I should be a small tall I think it's called.

BillS
October 16th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Paul, Jim and Ande -- thanks for the recommendations.

Ande -- why the full leg vs the knee length? While I'll swim mostly freestyle, I do IMs, as well. Whenever I tried full leg suits in the past, the breast kick always felt odd. Maybe it's just a feel thing I need to get over.

I'm 6'2", 195. Vendor at Nats recommended the 30, and it seems right.

I didn't like my full leg FS Pro for breaststroke at all, but had very good results (and no complaints about "feel") swimming it with the B70. I got the full leg after noticing that many of the top breaststrokers were wearing the full suits. One guy I asked about it said the short leg model pinched his calf. He liked the full leg, and had very good results at Nats wearing it.

jim clemmons
October 16th, 2008, 12:09 PM
Paul, Jim and Ande -- thanks for the recommendations.

Ande -- why the full leg vs the knee length? While I'll swim mostly freestyle, I do IMs, as well. Whenever I tried full leg suits in the past, the breast kick always felt odd. Maybe it's just a feel thing I need to get over.

I was concerned about breaststroke with the full leg as well but had very successful IM and breaststroke swims. I had historically stuck with knee-lengths.

matysekj
October 16th, 2008, 12:24 PM
I was concerned about breaststroke with the full leg as well but had very successful IM and breaststroke swims. I had historically stuck with knee-lengths.

Same here. I had VERY good times in the 50 and 200 breast at nationals. The long legs of the B70 didn't bother me at all.

geochuck
October 16th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Two younger swimmers I know wore the ankle length suits and one took 2.5 sec off his time and another 3.7 sec off his time in 100m breaststroke. But now people under 15 are not allowed to wear ankle lenght suits in British Columbia.

The suits were not Blue Seventies.

pwolf66
October 16th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Two younger swimmers I know wore the ankle length suits and one took 2.5 sec off his time and another 3.7 sec off his time in 100m breaststroke. But now people under 15 are not allowed to wear ankle lenght suits in British Columbia.

The suits were not Blue Seventies.

Tech suits have been banned for Potomac valley swimmers 12&under.

swimmieAvsFan
October 16th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Tech suits have been banned for Potomac valley swimmers 12&under.

actually, they've been banned for all USA-S swimmers in the 12&U age groups, if they're swimming in a non-open meet.

so if they're studs and swimming in an open meet with no age groups, they're allowed to wear tech suits...

this is a rule that USA-S recommended NOT be passed at convention; thankfully the USA-S delegates saw through the thinly veiled attempts at padding speedo's coffers and voted it in...

Doug Adamavich
October 16th, 2008, 12:59 PM
My Blue Seventy experience.

I am 5'11", 188, 42" chest, 34" waist. I have long limbs and a short torso as well. Went to Triple Sports in Scottsdale and got the 28 per the sizing chart. Tried it on in the store, took about ten minutes and generated a lot of sweat but I got the thing on. Had the (young) lady check to see if it fit. She said it looked good on me...

Went to practice because it was three days before Portland and I wanted to get some time in the suit. Well, I was standing on the deck and asked one of my coaches about the fit of the suit. He came over, looked at it, and asked me how it felt. Long story short, we concluded that I needed a 26(!) instead. OK, off comes the 28 and I am covered in sweat.

Next day go to Triple Sports and get the 26. I am not even going to attempt to put it on in the store... Go to practice early to put it on. Ugh, wish they made swim horns to get these things on! Used plastic bags this time, which helped on the legs but getting it on what still a bear. Oh, this was the shortie version. $317 with tax in case you wanna know the price.

Get in the water and feel great, I glide well off the walls and feel like my body position is a bit better. Compression is good but the neck and shoulder area is tight. In the small of my back I get a water pocket and no it was not self-generated. Should be good to go for Portland.

Swam a killer meet at Portland, 3 lifetime masters bests, within 8/100th of another, and the rest were solid swims. Getting the suit on and off went a little bit better, made sure I was dry when putting it on and using the plastic bags. Also was very careful when pulling it up so as not to rip the material. Felt great in the water, the only complaint is getting water in the small of my back. Maybe they can make a modification that pulls that area in for us who have a V shape...

Advice, got a bit smaller if you can for a tight fit. Stay in the shade too, this suit will cook you in about two minutes in direct sunlight. Call nature *before* you don the suit, if she calls when its on then sucks to be you. Have friends ready to zip you up too, this suit certainly requires it.

For the most part, I like the suit and will wear it again in big meets.

pwb
October 16th, 2008, 01:59 PM
swim outlet now carries the
Blue Seventy Nero Comps (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha)

All -- thanks for all the advice ... especially on the full length; the breaststroke comments really helped. My breaststroke's weak enough that I didn't want any more anxiety in the midst of a 400 IM.

I'm going to go for a size 30 full length, try it in a few workouts and then wear it in a race or two mid-November. I'm not resting for that meet, but just looking to see how the suit feels before I try to go fast in December.

Last questions:
* what's the best place to buy from a delivery speed and customer service perspective?
* what are the general rules on returns -- if I swim a few times and don't like it, do they generally take it back?

hofffam
October 16th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Just an FYI. I received a B70 full body size 28 as a gift from my wife. I am 5'8, 175lbs, and 42/32 chest/waist. The B70 sizing guide says size 26 for someone my height but > 28 for my chest/waist.

I tried it on dry last night. Difficult to pull past my heels, but after that it was a steady, patient effort to pull it up my thighs. I eventually pulled it on completely with a bit of help. My wife thought zippering was relatively easy once it was over the shoulders. I didn't pull it up enough into the crotch area. If I had it would have gone over the shoulders easier. I generated a bit of sweat getting in on. I have an air pocket in my lower back. I do not see how a size change would eliminate it. I guess I'll try to get the air pushed out when time comes to racing.

I have not been in the water with it.

Based on the dry fit - this is the right size, all things considered. It was by far the most snug suit I have worn but I did not feel mega uncomfortable. The length was OK. I am a breast/IM guy - but I am comfortable with the full legs.

Doug Adamavich
October 16th, 2008, 04:08 PM
* what's the best place to buy from a delivery speed and customer service perspective?

Triple Sports (Miller and Indian School in Scottsdale) has a lot of 'em in stock and are one of the biggest Blue Seventy dealers in the US. We are going to have a special suit fitting event on November 1st from 0800-1000 but need to finalize the details. Word is that masters will get a discount if they bring their USMS cards with them... They also have lots of biking goodies there and the staff is helpful.


* what are the general rules on returns -- if I swim a few times and don't like it, do they generally take it back?

I returned mine without the tag but I did not swim in it. Dunno but you could ask them. Their number is 480-994-1174. See if Brian Anderson is there and tell 'em Chairman Doug sent you. Ask him if he can help a brother out and I think he will do you right.

Good luck!

pwb
October 16th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Triple Sports (Miller and Indian School in Scottsdale) has a lot of 'em in stock and are one of the biggest Blue Seventy dealers in the US ... See if Brian Anderson is there and tell 'em Chairman Doug sent you. Ask him if he can help a brother out and I think he will do you right.


Perfect. I actually met Brian this spring when I rented a wetsuit there for my daughter to do an O/W swim in Tempe Town Lake. Thanks. I didn't realize they carried pool gear, as well. I'll ping him and see what happens.

Doug, I'll have to meet you in the non-virtual world at the Ron Johnson meet.

Doug Adamavich
October 17th, 2008, 11:00 AM
Perfect. I actually met Brian this spring when I rented a wetsuit there for my daughter to do an O/W swim in Tempe Town Lake. Thanks. I didn't realize they carried pool gear, as well. I'll ping him and see what happens.

The event at Triple Sports is official, I sent out an email blast last night and posted it on the blog http://azlmsc.blogspot.com/. This should be a good event although I would recommend eating bagels and drinking coffee/tea *after* trying on a suit :laugh2:


Doug, I'll have to meet you in the non-virtual world at the Ron Johnson meet.

I will be there but swimming the short events instead of 200s. In the breaststroke events I will be the one emerging from the pool a long time after Mr. Commings has already dried off.

pwb
October 28th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Thanks to all the advice, I tried on and bought a size 30 full leg B70 today. First meet attempt will be in a few weeks; I won't be rested, but have been training harder, so not sure if I'll be able to draw any conclusions.

For any of you out-of-Arizona people coming to the Ron Johnson meet, the store Doug referenced, Triple Sports in Scottsdale, was excellent in advice and choice. It's also about a 10 to 15 minute drive from the ASU pool, so you could pick one up on your way to the meet.

ande
November 9th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Darian Townsend swam in the FINA/ARENA Swimming World Cup Series 5 Moscow, Russia November 8th - 9th 2008
(http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/index.htm) won the 100 IM and 200 Free wearing blueseventy nero comp (http://www.tinyurl.com/nerocomp)!

Cameron van der Burgh wore the blue seventy when he crushed the WR in the 100 breast, posting 56.88 to beat 57.47 set by Ed Moses during the Stockholm 2002 World Cup.

he also improved the 50 breast WR
in 2006 Oleg LISOGOR went 26.17
Cameron VAN DER BURGH went 26.08

Paul Smith
November 10th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Mr. Commings tossed a B70 on in practice a week ago and went 51.0 in a 100 back (and lost about 8/10's with his horrid turns), and 25.2 in a 50 breast (might want to look at the record here folks if your doubting its effect on the evil stroke, or go look at Glenn Mills swims this past year)...and still HE DOUBTS!!!

gull
November 10th, 2008, 12:07 PM
Thanks for the replies. I ordered a size 26 which should arrive in time for the November 22 scm meet in Dallas. Any tips on getting into the suit?

Doug Adamavich
November 10th, 2008, 01:02 PM
Any tips on getting into the suit?

Here are mine:


Be dry when you put it on.
Use plastic bags to get your feet in.
Take your time putting it on.

Some folks say TriGlide(tm) works well too. I noticed after the first time I put it on and swam in it, getting it on and off became a bit easier.

Good luck!

tjrpatt
November 10th, 2008, 01:14 PM
I have been told that I could get a 30 but I have about a 36 inch waist and about a 43" chest. I am 6'0" and I hate to say this, weigh 250. Plus, I have big calves. Should I do the 32 or go with the 30 since everyone on this post is saying that there's was too big. Just trying to get additional opinions before I order one.

jim thornton
November 10th, 2008, 02:06 PM
Any thoughts on sizing? I am 5'11", 150 pounds, waist 32", chest 40"--I was thinking a size 26. The local distributor only stocks the Point Zero but will be contacting the company Monday. They may try to have a few sizes shipped.

It is nice to see that after five pages of spirited discussion, the original decision to get a size 26 has finally been confirmed. For some reason, this reminds me a little of something Jack Nicklaus once said. When asked about the insights his caddy provided, he replied, "I depend a lot on my caddy's judgment. I will ask him what club he thinks I should use, and if it's the one I was going to use anyway, I listen to him."

Let us know if you think the suit helps your performance, and if so, by how much compared to other technical suits you've tried and/or just a regular old practice suit.

Chris Stevenson
November 10th, 2008, 04:59 PM
I have been told that I could get a 30 but I have about a 36 inch waist and about a 43" chest. I am 6'0" and I hate to say this, weigh 250. Plus, I have big calves. Should I do the 32 or go with the 30 since everyone on this post is saying that there's was too big. Just trying to get additional opinions before I order one.

Hey Tom, I have large calves too. I use the knee-high version of the B70 and find that helps. It is also faster to put on, and a little cheaper too.

I really doubt that covering the calves will result in any additional speed (compared to simple shaving) but I wouldn't want to cause anyone to doubt their cherished superstitions...

tjrpatt
November 10th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Hey Tom, I have large calves too. I use the knee-high version of the B70 and find that helps. It is also faster to put on, and a little cheaper too.

I really doubt that covering the calves will result in any additional speed (compared to simple shaving) but I wouldn't want to cause anyone to doubt their cherished superstitions...

Chris,
I am looking into the knee-high version. I was just worried about getting the suit on with my calves.

Chris Stevenson
November 11th, 2008, 05:24 AM
Chris,
I am looking into the knee-high version. I was just worried about getting the suit on with my calves.

It shouldn't be a problem with the knee-high.

ande
November 11th, 2008, 02:27 PM
yesterday I did a fast 25 free in practice
wearing Speedo Pro Legs
went 9.79

I did another fast 25 free for time today in practice
wearing a blueseventy nero comp (http://www.tinyurl.com/nerocomp)
went 9.3

I plan to wear one this weekend at Tempe in a SCM meet
I'm curious to see how this years times will compare to last

December 1st, 2007
http://www.usms.org/forums/showpost.php?p=115661&postcount=1788

December 2nd, 2007
http://www.usms.org/forums/showpost.php?p=115726&postcount=1790

jim thornton
November 11th, 2008, 05:44 PM
That's pretty significant--almost a half second difference per 25! And you are fast to begin with.

Let me make some quick calculations. Okay, borrow the 1, subtract the 6. Apply Finnish formula parameter recallibration algorithms. Stipulate this and a little of that.

Oh, My, GOD!!!!

I have just beaten Paul Wolf in the 50 freestyle. And while he was gasping for breath at the wall, I continued to swim, beating Chris Stevenson in the 100 free, Paul Smith in the 200 free, Jim McConica in the 1650, and finally lapping Kristina Ulveling in the 25k.

The only person I can't beat is Leslie Livingston, probably because she wears two B-70 suits simultaneously.

I gotta get one of these suits!

Ian Smith
November 11th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Not sizing, but it looks like Cameron van den Burgh was wearing a B70 in his SCM 50m breast of 25.94 in Stockholm.

Now Jim, if someone can do 25 in breaststroke!!!, don't sell yourself short; you should be able to do 22 in free with one of these suits.
Ian.

The Fortress
November 11th, 2008, 09:22 PM
I have just beaten Paul Wolf in the 50 freestyle. And while he was gasping for breath at the wall, I continued to swim, beating Chris Stevenson in the 100 free, Paul Smith in the 200 free, Jim McConica in the 1650, and finally lapping Kristina Ulveling in the 25k.

The only person I can't beat is Leslie Livingston, probably because she wears two B-70 suits simultaneously.

I gotta get one of these suits!

I would share my one suit with you, Jim, but I fear it is currently the wrong size. W24. Perhaps after the promised 25 or so swims it will be sufficiently stretched out that I can get it on in 10 seconds flat. It will then be ready to pass on to you with a wee bit of pixie dust still intact. Possibly even by SCY CZ when, with forumites in rapt attendance, you test Ian's hypothesis and ascertain whether the alleged "float" can carry you to 22+ second Zonesman accolades. And, if you are really ready to rock and roll, you can put my old recordbreaker Pro under that for added compression. Onward!

jim thornton
November 11th, 2008, 10:42 PM
Ian, thanks for the vote (mandate?) of confidence.

Leslie, thanks for the offer, but as anyone who knows us also knows, I am not worthy so much as to touch, let alone, inhabit your swimming raiment, even if by fluke of real estate law I am now part owner of your (our) house-compound-starter mansion.

Leonard Jansen
November 12th, 2008, 09:10 AM
...and finally lapping Kristina Ulveling in the 25k.


Now THAT is delusional. Time to up your meds again, Jim.

-LBJ

geochuck
November 12th, 2008, 09:16 AM
Ande please tell me that was with a dive. Even with a dive that is great time but knowing you it was probably with a push off.


yesterday I did a fast 25 free in practice
wearing Speedo Pro Legs
went 9.79

I did another fast 25 free for time today in practice
wearing a blueseventy nero comp (http://www.tinyurl.com/nerocomp)
went 9.3

I plan to wear one this weekend at Tempe in a SCM meet
I'm curious to see how this years times will compare to last

December 1st, 2007
http://www.usms.org/forums/showpost.php?p=115661&postcount=1788

December 2nd, 2007
http://www.usms.org/forums/showpost.php?p=115726&postcount=1790

jim thornton
November 12th, 2008, 12:25 PM
Leonard, it probably is delusional, but I am hoping to purchase one of the NEW B70 suits, the ones with the little propellers concealed in the crotch and armpits where FINA testers are unlikely to look. I am sure that some "purists" will consider this "cheating" but "I" am not "one" of them, especially when it comes to "lapping" the likes of "Kristina" Ulveling in a 25"k".

I think I actually may need to turn down my dopamine pill a bit....

pwolf66
November 12th, 2008, 02:50 PM
I have just beaten Paul Wolf in the 50 freestyle.

Huh? And does this formula also include such variables as time in training? Or heck, even cross sectional resistance? Drag? Moment of intertia? Gravitational effects?

Keep dreaming Jim.

jim thornton
November 12th, 2008, 11:30 PM
You are correct, Paul! I did forget to factor in cross sectional resistance.

One second.

Tap tap tap. Tap. Tap tap tap tap.

Okay, press enter.

Mmm hmm. Borrow the one, subtract the seven, take the cube root of the coefficient squared divided by...

Oh. My. God!

Paul, I am not going to tell you what the recalculated figures show because I know it will upset you.

On an unrelated note, I have not felt so thrilled by a virtual swimming race conquest in years. My friend, let's call him Saul Lupine, is going to be absolutely devastated if he ever finds out how badly I've beaten him, on paper, in the 50 free.

He must never find out!

BillS
November 13th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Uh, Jim? About that dopamine adjustment? You may just want to get on that rather soon . . .

ehoch
November 13th, 2008, 08:31 PM
1. 50 Free = 24.7 in my plain old bathing suit
2. 50 Free = 24.8 same old bathing suit
3. 50 Free = 23.5 in my ripped Blue 70 + hard cap from Speedo

Also did a 100 after that - but I got tired -- 51.9 :bed:

ande
November 13th, 2008, 09:44 PM
hey hoch

are these SCM times
from a dive

yards times from a push

ande


1. 50 Free = 24.7 in my plain old bathing suit
2. 50 Free = 24.8 same old bathing suit
3. 50 Free = 23.5 in my ripped Blue 70 + hard cap from Speedo

Also did a 100 after that - but I got tired -- 51.9 :bed:

ehoch
November 14th, 2008, 02:05 AM
SCM - dive - regular start ( :) no "rolling" start)

ande
November 14th, 2008, 09:53 PM
at ASU
wore B70 IN 800
GOING FOR a 50 time
didn't get to warm up in comp pool
had a terrible turn
went 24.33
pauls record is 24.29
went 10:15 in 800

Allen Stark
November 14th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Opposing point of view.I got a LZR and like the fit and feel better than the B-70.Also I am much faster in the LZR in BR than with the B-70(though I like the B-70 a lot for fly.)Speedo told me to expect 24 swims with the LZR if I follow the care directions(which involve rinsing it in cold water immediately after the swim.)It has much more leg compression but less chest compression.

gull
November 15th, 2008, 11:03 AM
Wore my size 26 B70 in practice today. Perfect fit. Held 2-3 seconds faster per 100 repeat. Planning to swim in the Dallas scm meet next weekend.

aquageek
November 15th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Wore my size 26 B70 in practice today. Perfect fit. Held 2-3 seconds faster per 100 repeat. Planning to swim in the Dallas scm meet next weekend.

I've heard these suits will last longer than the LZR. What have others heard/experienced?

The Fortress
November 15th, 2008, 01:11 PM
I've heard these suits will last longer than the LZR. What have others heard/experienced?

I've heard 3-5 swims for the LZR, although I guess you can stretch it if you baby it enough as Allen says. But getting out of a suit after each race to rinse and dry it seems problematic if you're swimming several events that day. The suits take so long to get on ...

I've heard from 25-40 swims for the B70. For me, it's much more durable than the Pro. Not even one tiny little rip! But I do notice it's stretched out some as I've gone from 30 to 10 minutes or less to get it on.

geochuck
November 15th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Do you think the extra time to put them on should be added to your swim time????

I've heard 3-5 swims for the LZR, although I guess you can stretch it if you baby it enough as Allen says. But getting out of a suit after each race to rinse and dry it seems problematic if you're swimming several events that day. The suits take so long to get on ...

I've heard from 25-40 swims for the B70. For me, it's much more durable than the Pro. Not even one tiny little rip! But I do notice it's stretched out some as I've gone from 30 to 10 minutes or less to get it on.

ande
November 15th, 2008, 05:02 PM
ASU SCM
saw many b70's at this meet
heres how things went for me
1st event 4 X 100 MEDLEY NAT REC 4:06
WE WENT 3:50
MY 100 BK WAS 59.1 out 28.2

200 FR WENT FOR 50 SPLIT
24.37

50 BK
WENT 27.30

100 FL WENT FOR 50 SPLIT
26 SOMETHING

RESTED UP

50 FR
WENT 24.18 GOT 1ST
BROKE NAT REC WHICH WAS 24.29

The Fortress
November 15th, 2008, 05:06 PM
50 FR
WENT 24.18 GOT 1ST
BROKE NAT REC WHICH WAS 24.29

Congratulations, Ande! :applaud: I was hoping to read that. :)

Better turn?

Chris Stevenson
November 15th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Opposing point of view.I got a LZR and like the fit and feel better than the B-70.Also I am much faster in the LZR in BR than with the B-70(though I like the B-70 a lot for fly.)

I seem to recall Erik posting some 100 free LCM results comparing the two and that, for him in that race, the B70 and LZR were about the same. He can confirm/deny/elaborate, of course.

Ande, congrats on your swim!

elise526
November 15th, 2008, 06:23 PM
ASU SCM
saw many b70's at this meet
heres how things went for me
1st event 4 X 100 MEDLEY NAT REC 4:06
WE WENT 3:50
MY 100 BK WAS 59.1 out 28.2

200 FR WENT FOR 50 SPLIT
24.37

50 BK
WENT 27.30

100 FL WENT FOR 50 SPLIT
26 SOMETHING

RESTED UP

50 FR
WENT 24.18 GOT 1ST
BROKE NAT REC WHICH WAS 24.29

Ande - Congrats on a great meet and your national record!!

SwimRobin
November 15th, 2008, 07:11 PM
That is great news Ande! :bliss:

aquageek
November 15th, 2008, 07:30 PM
Well done, Ande, very impressive.

Syd
November 15th, 2008, 08:40 PM
A
RESTED UP

50 FR
WENT 24.18 GOT 1ST
BROKE NAT REC WHICH WAS 24.29


That's outstanding Ande! :applaud: There's something about resting up and having a second crack at it on the same day. Memories of last race are still fresh. You know exactly how much effort it takes to go that time and just how much more effort (or what kind of tweaks to your style) you need to go that little bit faster.

That must be damn close to a world record for your age group?

Congratulations!

JMiller
November 16th, 2008, 02:25 PM
Great SWIM!



RESTED UP

50 FR
WENT 24.18 GOT 1ST
BROKE NAT REC WHICH WAS 24.29

Deano
November 16th, 2008, 04:03 PM
I've heard these suits will last longer than the LZR. What have others heard/experienced?

Hey aquageek , Deano (Dean Jackson) here from blueseventy. I thought I should really say "hi" to you and the rest of the regular attendees of this forum. And I will make it clear that i work for blueseventy, you will see me on here only helping keep you informed on blueseventy should some questions arise, certainly will not be abusing this for commercial gain etc. We are as we say like "Switzerland" in the world of swimming, friends to all.

The question re more wears a "blueseventy nero to a LZR?" Well I do not like to refer the two against each other as one is a composite and fully stretch skin without the restrictions to stretch (blueseventy) and the LZR is a woven material with a panel welded to the fabric, so different in construction.

But what has to happen to any suit is: in order for the suit to maintain a fit time after time the outer panels or Skin would need to stretch more, or at least the same as the fabric beneath, and more importantly also be able to maintain a memory return to its original state (Otherwise stretch when putting on would be detrimental and sizing not consistent).

The nero has 100% memory for the top and all the skin layers, this allows for great fit time, after time. Properly cared for this will last over a 25 swims, but what we cannot accomodate is the amount of chlorines used in some pools and the amount of times the suit is used for training and duration in a pool, and this as we know over time can destroy fabrics and they loose their original structure. The Lycra content in the suits is a high performance "power lycra" and will last like your traditional swimsuit. Remember to rinse and dry naturally inside out after each competition.

As to the LZR? well i would refer to Speedo for comment and the memory retention of the panels on the suit...i am sure they will come to this forum to comment, they are good people.

Thanks all, and great to see the feedback on the "nero", it will really help us make a "Better suit"

If you have any questions please do ping me a private message, public message or mail me at dean@blueseventy.com



Anyone know how Roque Santos went this weekend?

ande
November 16th, 2008, 08:56 PM
hey deano

roque swam great

br
29.5
1:03
2:18

im
58.9
2:07.9
4:32
all WRs

today i wore b70 & went
100 im 1:00.3 natl rec
4 x 50 mr bk 27.41 relay broke 160 + wr
went 1:45.
100 fr 54.6 tired
50 fl 26.3 tired
4 x 50 fr relay broke 160+ wr went 1:35.4
worn out

ehoch
November 16th, 2008, 11:26 PM
Good swims Ande ---

My IM plans just got a bit harder ...

pwb
November 17th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Properly cared for this will last over a 25 swims ... Remember to rinse and dry naturally inside out after each competition.

Deano,

Thanks for chiming in. I had a quick maintenance question: should I store this hanging or flat/lying down ... or does it matter? Just want to maximize my investment.

I swam this weekend at the ASU meet for the 1st time in a B70 and was incredibly impressed with the fit and feel. I've not tried a LZR and had only really ever raced in jammers. I had tried a FS full length earlier in the year, but the fit on my scrawny chest just created too much ballooning. The B70 was nothing like that and was a significantly different feel. To be honest, I was quite skeptical about these suits and took a long time to come around. I'm a convert now. I'm looking forward to a couple more weeks of hard work and a taper to see how fast I can go in this sweet suit in early December.

JoeBob
November 19th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Just an FYI. I received a B70 full body size 28 as a gift from my wife. I am 5'8, 175lbs, and 42/32 chest/waist. The B70 sizing guide says size 26 for someone my height but > 28 for my chest/waist.


Thanks, Dan!
Based on the excellent info from you, I've ordered and received a 24. It fits me very well and I'll swim a meet in it this weekend.

Rich Abrahams
November 20th, 2008, 12:19 PM
I got a blue seventy size 26 (I'm a little over 6' and a bit under 170) I tried it in practice yesterday. It seemed to fit fine (perahps a bit tight on the shoulder straps). Took under 15 min to put on.

After a pre competition warmup i did the following with just a speedo:
25 meter pool All efforts on full rest. All hand touches.

Plunge for distance. (I do these all the time. dive from the side of the pool to see how far you glide before your head breaks the surface) 43'. Heavy guys always kill me on this.

25 fly from blocks (13.3)
25 free from blocks (12.1)
25 SDK from blocks (15.3)

Changed into blue seventy

Plunge for distance 47'
25 fly from blocks (12.8)
25 free from blocks (11.7)
25 free from blocks (11.7)

These were pretty legit times with a seperate starter and timer with instructions that the time be as accurate and consistant as possible. As few efforts as I did, I was definitely tired at the end. Maybe because I was freezing.

What I really liked was how it felt while swimming slowly. 2 less strokes a length 12-13 as opposed to my usual 14-15.

I'll be going to Long Beach where I'll see how it does under true competion conditions.

The Fortress
November 20th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Thanks, Rich. Good comparative info. It'd be interesting to see how your Pro or Arena compares to the B70 too. Good luck in Long Beach, and I hope your shoulder feels better!

Dean:

B70 questions:

What's up with the 25 swims cutoff? Is the suit just "no good" after that? What exactly happens at swim 25? After that, it fails to hold it's shape or loses all water repellancy or loses all buoyancy? Just no magic pixie dust left after 25 swims?

Is the suit fastest with the first few uses? Does it degrade a little, or become less fast, each swim?

What's the average distance you are estimating per "swim"? Do both 50s and 500s count as one "swim"? Do warm downs count in the 25 swims count?

jim thornton
November 20th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Rich and Leslie, and maybe, if he happens to read this, Paul:

When you say, Rich, you were swimming with "just a speedo" do you mean a FS of some sort, or just a practice suit?

I am wondering if you think the B70 would give an advantage over a Fastskin 1? If so, how much? I have heard that it can be as much as .5 per 25, which would make a significant difference --a full second in the 50, 2 secs in the 100, 4 in the 200, a whopping 10 seconds in the 500!

Even if this is overly optimistic, I am hoping that by some magic my swimming times, like my stock portfolio, could match the magic of yester decade!

Until I can afford such a suit, do you think I could petition the powers that be in FINA and USMS to provide the "poor boy's handicap" and simply subtract my expected improvements from my actual times until I can scrape together one of these fountain of youth suits?

Finally, I am a pittance under 6' 1" (6' 7/8" to be precise), and I weigh 180, give or take a good stuffing or a post practice steam bath. So what size would you recommend I get? Do you think the full legged versions add much compared to the kneeskins?

Thanks for your advice, both Rich and Leslie and, if Paul reads this, yours too! Oh, and if the thief who took my FSPro last summer at CZ LCM wants to atone, buying me a B70 would clean your conscience while making this the best Christmas ever for one Pennsylvanian. Just check with Rich first to make sure you get me the right size!

BillS
November 21st, 2008, 12:32 PM
Jim, I'm a tch taller and a tch fatt . . . er, heavier than you (6'2", 195). I'm in a 30. I'm guessing you'll want to try a 26 and 28.

From my experience, which is similar to Rich's (albeit at a much more leisurely, sedate, masters-age-appropriate pace), the suit definitely has some magic in it.

Can't you convince B70 that you're working on an article for Outside or Men's Journal or Competitive Gardening Weekly and have them send you a 26 and a 28 -- in the interest of literary verisimilitude, of course?

If not, what's $400 to a successful author, anyway? Ask not what the economy can do for you, but what you can do help prop up the economy.

Rich Abrahams
November 22nd, 2008, 12:34 PM
Leslie,
Your idea about also testing with other competion suits is a good one, but I'm too lazy to do it on another day. I do think I'd have gone faster in the blue seventy if I swam in it first. I too share your questions re the suit's durability (one of the main selling points for me vs. the LZR). Is the critical wear and tear factor time in the water or the number of times you put it on and take it off?

Thanks for your concern for my shoulder. I got a shot a week ago Wed. and it really calmed things down enough to start swimming again, even some fly. It's still annoying, but tolerable.

Jim,
I was just in a speedo endurance brief for the first set of swims. As for whether or not it's faster than other competion suits..who knows. Maybe I'll get an answer in Long Beach as I can compare my times with 2006. I doubt the difference is anywhere near .5 per 25 as compared to other competion suits. Although a 23.90 in the 50m free would be nice.

As for sizing, I'd go with the 26 unless a really tight suit bothers you. Yea, the first time you try it on is rough, but I even noticed a difference between when I tried mine on at home right after it arrived and then when I put it on for the practice. Didn't Erik H. say he used a 28 and he's freakin 6'5". Do you have a big upcoming meet or is this info just for future reference?

Rich

jim thornton
November 22nd, 2008, 05:05 PM
Thanks Bill and Rich for your advice. The suit would definitely be for some upcoming meet sometime in the largely indeterminate future. I would love to do my best to prop up the New Zealand economy, home of B70 Enterprises, right? But I need for the time being to prop up my family a little longer first.

Rich, how often have you had cortisone shots, and have you found these to cause any problems with healing?

I am waiting till I enter the 80-84 age group at which point I hope to begin living on Brompton's cocktails, that legendary elixir of the 19th century doctors once gave to their terminal patients. I am not sure how I am going to secure this, but the mix of heroin, cocaine, and brandy will prove, I am very hopeful, to cure everything that has, is, and will ever ail me, including sore shoulders.

Just a little snifter between laps, and I will be good to go, I am pretty sure.

gull
November 22nd, 2008, 06:38 PM
Just returned from the DAM scm meet in Dallas. For comparison I've listed prior times, tapered/unshaved:

10/29/05 400 free scm 4:59:06 FSII

07/26/08 400 free lcm 5:06.95 FSII

11/22/08 400 free scm 4:47.73 B70

jim thornton
November 22nd, 2008, 07:49 PM
Thanks, Gull.

Excellent!

After doing some age-grading adjustment of the decrepitude speed plots, and correcting for variables including the C contant (AKA, character qualiity, which is "constant" within an individual, but varies greatly between individuals), and factoring in my FS1 that has been used in 17 separate swims (or "use ratio") after the theft of my FS Pro (Jeff Gilooly remains a top suspect), but I surmise this math is beginning to bore you all.

In any event, I have notified the Top 10 committee that they need to subtract 1.7 seconds per 25 in all future swims I will be doing at age 56. I look forward greatly to next year when I age up to 57, and my FS1 with have by then at least 63 separate swims under its belt, and the committee will then be able to subtract any even greater handicap factor from my times.

If only I did not suffer the burden of such an absolutely enormous C constant.

ande
November 23rd, 2008, 07:31 AM
Seems like a Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/nerocomp)
might have made a little difference for you
Actually a big difference
congratulations


Just returned from the DAM scm meet in Dallas. For comparison I've listed prior times, tapered/unshaved:

10/29/05 400 free scm 4:59:06 FSII

07/26/08 400 free lcm 5:06.95 FSII

11/22/08 400 free scm 4:47.73 B70

BillS
November 23rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
If only I did not suffer the burden of such an absolutely enormous C constant.


Remember, it's not the size of the C constant, it's how you use it.

jim thornton
November 23rd, 2008, 08:33 PM
Thanks, Bill, for reminding me that with great C comes great R. If you can keep your attitude (A) positive (P), then I think everything will come together for you in the end.

Deano
November 24th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Hey my friend.

The best storage is after throughly rinsing out with cold, clean water, you should let it hang on a broad shouldered clothes hanger at room temeprature and best do this inside out.like any suit it is the chlorine that will break it down. You are really on the money re the different feel of the bluesevetny suit. It is unlike anything else, I am glad you liked. We are working on a program of bringing the suit to the access of more swimmers in the USMS, watch this space my friend. Thanks for your support.

Cheers

Deano



Deano,

Thanks for chiming in. I had a quick maintenance question: should I store this hanging or flat/lying down ... or does it matter? Just want to maximize my investment.

I swam this weekend at the ASU meet for the 1st time in a B70 and was incredibly impressed with the fit and feel. I've not tried a LZR and had only really ever raced in jammers. I had tried a FS full length earlier in the year, but the fit on my scrawny chest just created too much ballooning. The B70 was nothing like that and was a significantly different feel. To be honest, I was quite skeptical about these suits and took a long time to come around. I'm a convert now. I'm looking forward to a couple more weeks of hard work and a taper to see how fast I can go in this sweet suit in early December.

pwb
November 24th, 2008, 05:01 PM
and best do this inside out

Thanks. Why inside out?

ande
November 25th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Hi Pat and Deano,

protect the rubber

after use I hang mine inside out to dry the inner fabric first then turn it around and dry the outside

if you don't dry the inner fabric it's likely to hold the moisture and maybe mildew

once it's dry I bunch mine up and put them in my swim suit drawer

now when you get a Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/nerocomp) they come in these really nice nylon blue seventy bags

Today I wore my B70 in practice
did a hard 400
went 3:57



Thanks. Why inside out?

Glider
November 25th, 2008, 10:32 AM
I just ordered a b70 nero comp kneeskin. I'm 5'10" 170 and got a size 26 based on a recommendation from Roque, a fellow breaststroker.

I plan on using it in our USS GA Sr. State SCY champs in mid-December (wishing our LMSC wasn't forced to cancel our December season-ending SCM meet for this USS meet.)

I'm hoping for results similar to the magnitude of Gull's 400:D Will keep you posted...

pwb
November 25th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Hi Pat and Deano,

protect the rubber

...

Today I wore my B70 in practice
did a hard 400
went 3:57

Cool ... now I gotta go home and make sure I flip it inside out. Fortunately, I think it's so dry here in Scottsdale, that I won't have to worry about mildew.

3:57 ... WOW! That's smoking, Ande. I was pretty impressed when Tyler and I went around 4:10 a few weeks back when I was there at UT. Sub-4:00 in workout, suit or no suit, is very nice. You gotta come to the dark side and gun for that 500 at Clovis.

Did you decide to go to Long Beach?

gull
November 25th, 2008, 12:59 PM
now when you get a Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/nerocomp) they come in these really nice nylon blue seventy bags

I did not receive a bag with my suit...

Paul Smith
November 25th, 2008, 03:39 PM
I did not receive a bag with my suit...

Deano sent it to Geek to taunt him into buying one....

aquageek
November 25th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Deano sent it to Geek to taunt him into buying one....

Were you on your way to a Sopranos casting call in that get-up in your new picture?

ande
November 25th, 2008, 05:38 PM
that was SCY not LCM
not so amazing
but was my best 400 work out time in years

Yes I am going to LB


Cool ... now I gotta go home and make sure I flip it inside out. Fortunately, I think it's so dry here in Scottsdale, that I won't have to worry about mildew.

3:57 ... WOW! That's smoking, Ande. I was pretty impressed when Tyler and I went around 4:10 a few weeks back when I was there at UT. Sub-4:00 in workout, suit or no suit, is very nice. You gotta come to the dark side and gun for that 500 at Clovis.

Did you decide to go to Long Beach?

jim clemmons
November 25th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Yes I am going to LB

Ande,

You bringing the "crew" or coming alone this year?

See you there.

ehoch
November 25th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Ande - you better bring your boys - we are going after the 200 Free relay record !!! :bump:

pwb
November 25th, 2008, 10:32 PM
that was SCY not LCM
not so amazing
but was my best 400 work out time in years


That's what I thought: SCY. I'm still impressed. Maybe I'm just a crappy workout swimmer, but that time impresses me for workout, tech suit or not.

Good luck at Long Beach! I'll be freezing my a** off in NJ, but hopefully swimming fast at the nice pool at Rutgers. Some year I'm going to get out to Long Beach.

ande
November 26th, 2008, 01:17 PM
as far as I know it's just me
couldn't coax the rest
ASU was enough for them

I've entered the meet and have my flight, car, and hotel room


Ande,

You bringing the "crew" or coming alone this year?

See you there.

ande
November 26th, 2008, 01:23 PM
My guys aren't coming, they are done with 2008 SCM

will your relay consist of folks who live in your city and train on your team
or mercenaries you recruited to shatter records

I wasn't real pleased with my relay split
it was my last swim on the last day
swam a bunch of events before it and felt pretty spent


Ande - you better bring your boys - we are going after the 200 Free relay record !!! :bump:

ehoch
November 26th, 2008, 02:28 PM
All "in-house" talent -

we got two 21.6 swimmers (in yards - but both not in any of the new suits) and myself - our 4th is still the question mark, but we got this super sprinter - he is 47, started swimming 1 1/2 years ago and went a 26.1 (scm) 3 weeks ago. It should be fun -

Glider
December 2nd, 2008, 08:08 PM
Got my B70 nero comp today. I ordered a size M26 kneeskin. Unfortunately, the company I ordered from sent me the bodyskin.

Drats...begin again. And only 9 days until my meet...Hope I can get it resolved quickly enough to test it before my meet.

Rich Abrahams
December 2nd, 2008, 08:21 PM
Question for Deano (or anyone out there who might know).

Noticing the timeline for my upcoming competition, it appears I'll have at least 3 hours between events. I don't want to sit around in the suit between events, but I also want it to be as dry as possible when I put it back on as I've heard it's easier to put on when dry. So...does using a suit spinner have any negative impact on the longevity of the suit? If not, should it be inside out when spinning or doesn't it matter? BTW, I've put my older competition suits in a spinner and didn't notice any problems.

Thanks,
Rich

jim clemmons
December 2nd, 2008, 09:12 PM
Question for Deano (or anyone out there who might know).

Noticing the timeline for my upcoming competition, it appears I'll have at least 3 hours between events. I don't want to sit around in the suit between events, but I also want it to be as dry as possible when I put it back on as I've heard it's easier to put on when dry. So...does using a suit spinner have any negative impact on the longevity of the suit? If not, should it be inside out when spinning or doesn't it matter? BTW, I've put my older competition suits in a spinner and didn't notice any problems.

Thanks,
Rich

Rich,

I may be wrong but I don't recall a spinner at Belmont Plaza. Of course it has been 12 months since I was there last, so...

lemonwater
December 2nd, 2008, 10:51 PM
I am 6'2' - 6'2 1/2" 160 lbs - long legs - the size chart puts me between 26 and 28-- should I focus more on my weight or my height?

ande
December 3rd, 2008, 11:49 AM
I don't recommend spinning your blue seventy nero comp (http://www.tinyurl.com/nerocomp)

if you do
inside out is the way to go
BUT be very careful, smash it down to the bottom
if any part of the suit drifts up over the upper edge
your suit could be destroyed
I ruined an FS 1 in a suit spinner

it's better to
towel dry the outside
take it off
turn it inside out
squeeze to remove excess water then
hang it up to dry
keep it out of direct sunlight

here's my LB schedule
Saturday
11:15 # 07 50 M Butterfly 00:26.46
12:38 # 10 100 M Backstroke 00:59.10
04:55 PM # 19 200 M Individual Medley 02:19.99
Sunday
11:43 # 24 100 Butterfly
12:27 # 26 50 M Breaststroke 00:31.99
02:04 # 29 200 Backstroke 02:19.99
03:15 # 31 100 Freestyle

on Saturday I'll take it off between the 100 M bk & 200 IM
on sunday I might take it off between the 200 bk & 100 free



Question for Deano (or anyone out there who might know).

Noticing the timeline for my upcoming competition, it appears I'll have at least 3 hours between events. I don't want to sit around in the suit between events, but I also want it to be as dry as possible when I put it back on as I've heard it's easier to put on when dry. So...does using a suit spinner have any negative impact on the longevity of the suit? If not, should it be inside out when spinning or doesn't it matter? BTW, I've put my older competition suits in a spinner and didn't notice any problems.

Thanks,
Rich

dolf
December 4th, 2008, 03:31 AM
I received my suit today. After reading how everyone chose a smaller size I opted for a 30 - it's too small!

Too tight around the calfs which means I cannot pull it high enough to get rid of the space around the crotch. I did get the straps over my shoulders but no chance of zipping her up.

Will have to swop it for a 32, which annoyingly they dont stock.:badday:

Glider
December 5th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Got my B70 nero comp kneeskin yesterday. Before I used it I decided to do some benchmarking for my starts from a block with a BR pullout to see how far I went in a practice poly suit and then come back and test with the B70 suit.

Yesterday in my poly, I did six starts and my head broke the surface:

Average distance: 42' (Does anyone know if that's any good?)

I'll go back on Monday or Tuesday and test in the same pool with the B70 and report back.


Got my B70 nero comp today. I ordered a size M26 kneeskin. Unfortunately, the company I ordered from sent me the bodyskin.

Drats...begin again. And only 9 days until my meet...Hope I can get it resolved quickly enough to test it before my meet.

Blackbeard's Peg
December 8th, 2008, 12:53 AM
I saw a middle-aged man at Rutgers (Colonies Zone SCM Champs) this weekend, in the 3-minute 100 free heat, going about that pace, in a b70, and another similar pace in an Xterra swimskin.

ridiculous.

elise526
December 19th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on what size a female with the following measurements should get?

Height: "5'10"
Weight: 145 lbs.
Waist: 27
Chest: 36
Hips: 36

I'm not sure about buying this suit as I think I would look really stupid. I understand folks that are near the top of Top Ten wearing these things, but I'm not that fast. I've only broken into the Top Ten only three times. This year I got 10th in 50 LC fly. I'm wondering if I got one of these suits I might actually have a chance to break into Top Ten in SCY, something I've never done.

ande
December 20th, 2008, 06:51 AM
probably 24 or 26


Anybody have any thoughts on what size a female with the following measurements should get?

Height: "5'10"
Weight: 145 lbs.
Waist: 27
Chest: 36
Hips: 36

I'm not sure about buying this suit as I think I would look really stupid. I understand folks that are near the top of Top Ten wearing these things, but I'm not that fast. I've only broken into the Top Ten only three times. This year I got 10th in 50 LC fly. I'm wondering if I got one of these suits I might actually have a chance to break into Top Ten in SCY, something I've never done.

elise526
December 20th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Thanks, Ande. Perhaps with the suit and your pointers from a couple of months ago, I can go a lifetime best.

Thanks again!

swimsophie
December 24th, 2008, 08:14 AM
hey there
wondering if you could help me
im interested in the b70 nero comp
but im unsure of what size i should get
ive seen the size guide but im a bit inbetween and wondered if you could reccommend a size for me
im:
5'6" (168cm)
120lbs (54kg)
34 inch chest
28 inch waist
to help a bit i have a 26 in an fs pro knee skin (but it lets water through the chest area!)
also should i get a long leg or just a knee? i am an IM'er and worried that my legs will be restricted on brstroke with a long leg (theyre not with my knee)

Thanks!

The Fortress
December 24th, 2008, 02:52 PM
hey there
wondering if you could help me
im interested in the b70 nero comp
but im unsure of what size i should get
ive seen the size guide but im a bit inbetween and wondered if you could reccommend a size for me
im:
5'6" (168cm)
120lbs (54kg)
34 inch chest
28 inch waist
to help a bit i have a 26 in an fs pro knee skin (but it lets water through the chest area!)
also should i get a long leg or just a knee? i am an IM'er and worried that my legs will be restricted on brstroke with a long leg (theyre not with my knee)

Thanks!

You're pretty small, you might get in a 22. Or a 24 based on height. (I wear a 24 in a B70 and a 26 in a Pro, I'm a bit short than you.) I'm rather small in the chest area and I don't get that water flowing through problem with my B70. Most breaststrokers I know seem to really like the B70 and go faster in it than a legless suit. Might just take a bit to get used to. I prefer the long leg (fine for IMs, it seems), but I'm not a breaststroker.

hofffam
December 24th, 2008, 02:56 PM
I can't help with sizing - but I think the knee restriction idea is a long-standing "myth" for breaststrokers. You do lose the feel of the water on your lower legs with a full leg suit. But I think the suit is unquestionably faster for breaststrokers.

swimsophie
January 2nd, 2009, 12:58 PM
Ok thanks alot! I have a 22 and 24 on order!:)

dolf
January 8th, 2009, 02:56 AM
I trained in my suit last night for the first time as i'm competing on saturday. It felt brilliant underwater. I did suffer from water down the neck that people have warned about (especially on fly), but it didn't bother me too much. What did concern me was that my legs were much higher than normal, almost too high, and my kick when sprinting didn't feel as strong because I think I was kicking out of the water! Has anyone else had this feeling? maybe I just need to get used to it?!

ande
January 8th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Before your meet, wear your Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://www.tinyurl.com/nerocomp)
several times in practice to become accustomed to it, especially on fast swims for time

it may feel weird when you race like water's getting in just keep swimming fast no matter what.


I trained in my suit last night for the first time as i'm competing on saturday. It felt brilliant underwater. I did suffer from water down the neck that people have warned about (especially on fly), but it didn't bother me too much. What did concern me was that my legs were much higher than normal, almost too high, and my kick when sprinting didn't feel as strong because I think I was kicking out of the water! Has anyone else had this feeling? maybe I just need to get used to it?!

dolf
January 8th, 2009, 04:23 PM
quite right ande. You've got to swim the race the way you know it. Thinking about the equipment during the race will badly affect the time. And yes, I will have to wear it more in training. Cheers

BillS
January 8th, 2009, 06:36 PM
I trained in my suit last night for the first time as i'm competing on saturday. It felt brilliant underwater. I did suffer from water down the neck that people have warned about (especially on fly), but it didn't bother me too much. What did concern me was that my legs were much higher than normal, almost too high, and my kick when sprinting didn't feel as strong because I think I was kicking out of the water! Has anyone else had this feeling? maybe I just need to get used to it?!

I felt the same initially about the kick, but the feeling went away pretty quickly as I got used to the suit (and probably/maybe adjusted my body position a little?) Another race pace session or two should help with that feeling.

I found that the water down the neck problem was decreased by pulling the front of the suit up high under the chin. Similar to getting the legs snugged up in the crotch, gently work the body of the suit up your torso. If you leave the top of the suit below the base of the neck, it will catch water.

Good luck!

dolf
January 10th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Swam two events today in the b70. 1 pb on 50fly and only 1 100th off pb on 50free. Obviously pleased with the times but the swims felt awful. Gallons of water down the neck and I spent the entire time during the race worrying about this and not how I should have been swimming the race. Poor turns, poor stroke and breathing was all wrong. I need to practise some more with the suit on but taking the water on can only slow you down right?

jim thornton
January 10th, 2009, 06:40 PM
dolph, what size did you get and how tall are you and how much do you weigh? i am wondering if you got a too big suit? one friend told me that unlike most of the other technical suits, the b70 works best if you are wet before the race starts. the others seem to work better if you go in with them bone dry.

dolf
January 11th, 2009, 03:42 AM
Jim,

I am 6'3" and around 95kg (205lb?). The suit I have now is a 32". I ordered and tryed on a 30" but the ankles were too tight to alow the suit to go far enough up my legs and therefore couldnt get it over my shoulders properly. Also i have a big chest so the suit wouldn't zip up.
What about gaffer tape around my neck? would this be legal?:)

Wigam
January 11th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Jim,

I am 6'3" and around 95kg (205lb?). The suit I have now is a 32". I ordered and tryed on a 30" but the ankles were too tight to alow the suit to go far enough up my legs and therefore couldnt get it over my shoulders properly. Also i have a big chest so the suit wouldn't zip up.
What about gaffer tape around my neck? would this be legal?:)

For your info I was watching some Italian swim meet on TV end of last year and one guy had a length of what we call duct tape in the UK across the top of his suit.
Duct tape is grey about 2-3 inches wide.

jim thornton
January 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM
I am 6'3" and around 95kg (205lb?). The suit I have now is a 32".


That's interesting. I know one friend who wears a 32 but weighs closer to 265, and he's about your height. Patrick Brundage, who posts frequently on here, is also about your size, and I am not sure what size he wears. Have you consider ankle liposuction?

Just kidding. I don't know about duct tape, but it probably would help to pull it up as close to your chin as possible. I have never worn one of these suits. I have also never shied away from posting definitively on subjects I know nothing about. \

Good luck! With advice like mine, I suspect you will need it!

matt.malina
November 1st, 2009, 02:16 PM
Hello guys, I can't try it on before I buy and need to decide.

I am
6'11"(186cm)
183lbs (83kg)
40 chest (102cm)
35 waist (89cm)

about to buy lon leg version, which size should I go, M26 or M28??

Cheers
Matt

ande
November 2nd, 2009, 11:59 AM
probably a 28
I'm 6'3" 215 ish & wear a 30
fyi http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15448


Hello guys, I can't try it on before I buy and need to decide.

I am
6'11"(186cm)
183lbs (83kg)
40 chest (102cm)
35 waist (89cm)

about to buy lon leg version, which size should I go, M26 or M28??

Cheers
Matt