PDA

View Full Version : Hardy linked to supplement company



hofffam
July 25th, 2008, 10:35 AM
See the full story. (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/olympics-jessica-hardy-2104227-hardy-clenbuterol)

The company - Advocare - is also endorsed by Larsen Jensen. Their products have been banned by the NCAA.

This is starting to smell real bad.....

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Advocare seems to be your typical multi-level marketing company that does supplements. They have many products that span the spectrum of the athletic supplementation genre. They remind me of EAS, GNC, etc. I don't consider them on the fringe of this industry. Still on Hardy to check anything she puts in her body.

smontanaro
July 25th, 2008, 10:51 AM
This quote from the article is interesting:


The commonly held belief that the government approves these over-the-counter dietary supplements is incorrect. There is evidence that some products may not contain the ingredients listed on the label in the stated amount, may not contain the ingredients listed at all, or may be contaminated or adulterated with other prohibited substances not listed on the label.

So if you use any of these supplements the burden is on you to make sure they aren't contaminated. Nobody else is checking for you. That would be a shame to endorse the product only to find out the company effectively screwed you.

Skip

ScarletSwimmer
July 25th, 2008, 11:17 AM
You can't trust what's in supplements. The FDA just seized a lot of dietary supplements yesterday which contained a drug chemically close to the active ingredient in Viagra. The company, incidentally, was given an opportunity to pull the lots voluntarily but refused.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01864.html

Sam Perry
July 25th, 2008, 11:23 AM
This quote from the article is interesting:


The commonly held belief that the government approves these over-the-counter dietary supplements is incorrect. There is evidence that some products may not contain the ingredients listed on the label in the stated amount, may not contain the ingredients listed at all, or may be contaminated or adulterated with other prohibited substances not listed on the label.

So if you use any of these supplements the burden is on you to make sure they aren't contaminated. Nobody else is checking for you. That would be a shame to endorse the product only to find out the company effectively screwed you.

Skip

The challenge I have with all of this is that if this supplement was laced with something which seems to be the defense. If she was the only person taking this stuff then she is the only one to test positive. If she isn't (which I am sure many other people have taken this stuff and not just Olympians), I have to believe there would be many more positive tests for clenbuterol. No way this company could stay in business selling their product to one person. According to the test results and what seems to be the defense, that is what we should conclude.

chowmi
July 25th, 2008, 11:31 AM
Let's take a broader look at the people that make up her "team". How is it, fellow forum posters, that one coach has at least 3 swimmers testing positive due to supplements or other? (Assuming the article is factually correct) What's the liklihood of this?

Does club wolverine, UT/Reese, Athens bulldogs and all those other well known names - do their coaches have this many swimmers testing positive? I don't think so!

TheGoodSmith
July 25th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Geek is correct..... (and I am not partial to agreeing with him).

From all accounts and opinions I have heard, Advocare has decent products. Her endorsement may hurt the company from a marketing perspective short term, but there is no link to her positive testing and the use of them.

matysekj
July 25th, 2008, 11:34 AM
That kind of bugs me too, Sam. If clenbuterol was in some of the advocare products, then I would think that a number of athletes would get caught for it. I doubt that the advocare people are shipping her specially laced versions of their products without her knowledge. Who knows? Maybe we'll find out the truth in due time.

scyfreestyler
July 25th, 2008, 11:35 AM
Let's take a broader look at the people that make up her "team". How is it, fellow forum posters, that one coach has at least 3 swimmers testing positive due to supplements or other? What's the liklihood of this?

Does club wolverine, UT/Reese, Athens bulldogs and all those other well known names - do their coaches have this many swimmers testing positive? I don't think so!


Who are the other two Trojan swimmers testing positive?

chowmi
July 25th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Read the article; again, if factually correct, this coach is associated with 2 other swimmers with incidents in prior years back to 2002.

DaveS
July 25th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Interesting....Larsen Jensen is no longer listed as an Endorser on their website under Watersports. Things that make you go...Hmmmmmm.

DaveS
July 25th, 2008, 11:42 AM
Spoke a little too soon. I see he's still included on the pdf.

scyfreestyler
July 25th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Read the article; again, if factually correct, this coach is associated with 2 other swimmers with incidents in prior years back to 2002.

I see that now.

Whether or not there is a pattern worthy of concern here or not..well, seems unlikely but one never knows.

hofffam
July 25th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Geek is correct..... (and I am not partial to agreeing with him).

From all accounts and opinions I have heard, Advocare has decent products. Her endorsement may hurt the company from a marketing perspective short term, but there is no link to her positive testing and the use of them.

If Advocare has good products - why has the NCAA banned them as the article says?

knelson
July 25th, 2008, 11:59 AM
In the other thread I mentioned that I wondered what her excuse would be. Well, now we know. Typical. Cheaters never have any culpability.

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 12:10 PM
In the other thread I mentioned that I wondered what her excuse would be. Well, now we know. Typical. Cheaters never have any culpability.

Way of life today in society, it's always someone else's fault, sue them, they gotta pay!



Damn, I should become sociology professor like I was told to...

DaveS
July 25th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Interesting. This was an article from July 17 promoting the athletes that used Advocare products that had made the US team. I read it yesterday. Google Advocare and Larsen Jensen and it's the first link that comes up.

It's now gone.

It's looks like this company and/or the athletes are scambling to cut ties with each other.

http://supplementalscience.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/advocare-sports-endorsers-join-team-usa/

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 01:46 PM
If Advocare has done nothing wrong and is merely being scapegoated, much as my beloved Jack Daniels was by Floyd, then they too are caught up in her little web of deception and might be damaged by this. Advocare isn't selling anthing out there or not any more out there than most main stream supplement companies anyway.

The thing about cheats is that they typcially don't go down without taking others with them.

DaveS
July 25th, 2008, 01:57 PM
And... Jensen has now been removed from the .pdf list of endorsers.

This is all very intriguing...I love a good suspense thriller!

knelson
July 25th, 2008, 01:58 PM
The thing about cheats is that they typcially don't go down without taking others with them.

Totally. It's never their fault.

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 02:14 PM
And... Jensen has now been removed from the .pdf list of endorsers.

This is all very intriguing...I love a good suspense thriller!

Maybe Advocare got a case of the heeby geebies and said "get rid of all these crazy ass doping swimmers from our list of endorsers." Or, maybe Jensen saw Hardy go after Advocare and knew he would be next on her hit list due to his affiliation with Advocare so he got off their list. It is good suspense, for sure.

SLOmmafan
July 25th, 2008, 02:42 PM
IMO, this entire supplement/steroroid battle is a joke. It like regulating speeding on a highway, sure you will catch some but not all.

As my screen name indicates, I am also a big fan of mixed martial arts (UFC especially). There are fighters getting caught all the time, same as nearly every single sport. Not to excuse their behavior, but a lot of these guys take supplements to aid in injury recovery (no so much for building strength - though it does).

Let face it, any elite athlete is doing their sport to earn money and fame (olympic swimmers included). They are swimming 10,000 yards per day. lifting weights, getting hurt/injured trying to maintain such elite shape. Its easy to get lured in by a product (usually reccomended by a trusted trainer or even Dr.) that claims to aid in injury healing and muscle recovery.

Give them their fine, punish them accordingly, but stop trying to demonize them like they committed murder or armed robbery!

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Talk about a joke, MMA is a big fat joke. It's the pro-wrestling of the 2000s. I don't even want to hear about that kung-fu lunacy having any relationship to swimming.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 02:53 PM
That sure is keeping an open mind!!!! How do you equate that to WWF???

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 02:56 PM
That sure is keeping an open mind!!!! How do you equate that to WWF???

What is enjoyable about it other than shock entertainment value? It's nothing more than the next progression of the WWE (I think WWE bought WWF, not totally sure). But, people in trailer parks need something to watch.

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Talk about a joke, MMA is a big fat joke. It's the pro-wrestling of the 2000s. I don't even want to hear about that kung-fu lunacy having any relationship to swimming.

Geek get real, they already wear speedos!!
:rofl:

TheGoodSmith
July 25th, 2008, 02:58 PM
SLOmmafan,

"Give them their fine, punish them accordingly, but stop trying to demonize them like they committed murder or armed robbery!"


If they were caught, they have usually committed a felony. In addition, they have stolen the lifetime dreams of other athletes they beat.

I would support seeing a civil suit placed by the third place finishers against Jessica.

Marion sits in jail for a reason.


John Smith

Iwannafly
July 25th, 2008, 02:58 PM
What is enjoyable about it other than shock entertainment value? It's nothing more than the next progression of the WWE (I think WWE bought WWF, not totally sure). But, people in trailer parks need something to watch.

WWE used to be the WWF. However, the World Wildlife Federation sued them, and now they're the WWE.

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 03:00 PM
What is enjoyable about it other than shock entertainment value? It's nothing more than the next progression of the WWE (I think WWE bought WWF, not totally sure). But, people in trailer parks need something to watch.

Speaking of trailer parks people keep mentioning Tonya Harding over the last few days. She's got that Trailer park babe thing going.. or she did back in the day! Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaah!

TheGoodSmith
July 25th, 2008, 03:01 PM
If Advocare has good products - why has the NCAA banned them as the article says?

There was a product by Advocare that had a banned substance in it.

"The NCAA has banned schools from distributing some AdvoCare products because of health and performance enhancement concerns. The NCAA said an AdvoCare product has been linked to positive drug tests by college athletes for the stimulant synephrine."

Advocare sells many products.

What makes you think that all Advocare products are bad or contain illegal PEDs?



John Smith

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 03:03 PM
SLOmmafan,

"Give them their fine, punish them accordingly, but stop trying to demonize them like they committed murder or armed robbery!"


If they were caught, they have usually committed a felony. In addition, they have stolen the lifetime dreams of other athletes they beat.

I would support seeing a civil suit placed by the third place finishers against Jessica.

Marion sits in jail for a reason.

John Smith

I thought there was some major perjury involved in that custodial sentence too though (I may be mistaken). I think a short custodial in not inappropriate, , and I think civil is much better punishment in his situation. E.G. You cheat, you lose everything.

Hulk was rightly aggrieved that a DUI killer got 6 month probation...so what do you (nobody in particular) want? To fight to get that sort of behaviour a stiffer sentence or bang Jessica up for 10?

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:03 PM
What is enjoyable about it other than shock entertainment value? It's nothing more than the next progression of the WWE (I think WWE bought WWF, not totally sure). But, people in trailer parks need something to watch.

You feel the same way about boxing or is that Ok to watch?

By the way....I moved out of the trailer park a few years ago......

No more Georgia Trailer Park Trash for me!!!!!!!

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:04 PM
I thought there was some major perjury involved in that custodial sentence too though (I may be mistaken). I think a short custodial in not inappropriate, , and I think civil is much better punishment in his situation. E.G. You cheat, you lose everything.

Hulk was rightly aggrieved that a DUI killer got 6 month probation...so what do you (nobody in particular) want? To fight to get that sort of behaviour a stiffer sentence or bang Jessica up for 10?

DUI with fatality should be treated as murder.....

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 03:05 PM
You feel the same way about boxing or is that Ok to watch?

I'm a huge boxing fan and saddened by its current state.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:06 PM
I'm a huge boxing fan and saddened by its current state.

So it's ok to watch two guys beat each other with gloves on but not with gloves off?

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 03:09 PM
So it's ok to watch two guys beat each with gloves on but not with gloves off?

Yep. MMA is a pointless mindless freak show. There's no comparison to boxing, none.

DaveS
July 25th, 2008, 03:16 PM
Ha... AdvoCare is located 1.3 miles from my house. Maybe I could do some snooping around this weekend. They might have some old Jensen and Hardy posters in the dumpster.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Yep. MMA is a pointless mindless freak show. There's no comparison to boxing, none.

One name....Mike Tyson....talk about a freak show!!!!

swimshark
July 25th, 2008, 03:30 PM
No more Georgia Trailer Park Trash for me!!!!!!!

Did you live in the same one that the mayor of your town lives in? :thhbbb:

I had a friend who sold Advocare so I tried it. I ate a half of their energy bar and then went swimming. Big mistake! I ended up getting out after 30 min of practice because I was shaking, heart racing and felt sick all over. I learned my lesson that day and, although their products might be okay, I will never put them in my body. My friend, on the other hand, lost about 150 lbs while on it. Who knows what her long-term affects are, though.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Did you live in the same one that the mayor of your town lives in? :thhbbb:

I had a friend who sold Advocare so I tried it. I ate a half of their energy bar and then went swimming. Big mistake! I ended up getting out after 30 min of practice because I was shaking, heart racing and felt sick all over. I learned my lesson that day and, although their products might be okay, I will never put them in my body. My friend, on the other hand, lost about 150 lbs while on it. Who knows what her long-term affects are, though.

No, he lived in the high class one across the tracks.......

swimshark
July 25th, 2008, 03:36 PM
No, he lived in the high class one across the tracks.......

LOL!! Nothing in that area is high class!

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 03:39 PM
One name....Mike Tyson....talk about a freak show!!!!

Tyson was big in late 80s/early 90s, not really since. Important to keep up with things if you plan on speaking to them. Then again, I find most of your sport's references are about 20 years old so at least you are consistent.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:39 PM
LOL!! Nothing in that area is high class!

Ain't that the truth!!!

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Tyson was big in late 80s/early 90s, not really since. Important to keep up with things if you plan on speaking to them. Then again, I find most of your sport's references are about 20 years old so at least you are consistent.

No you don't.....you brought up the "freak show" comment....I do believe he still shows up in the news.......and just where are all of the Mega boxing matches like there used to be....talk about a dinosaur sport....don't they show it on the "Ocho" now days?

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 03:46 PM
I make no apologies for watching boxing, even in it's current state. MMA has its niche, with the ADD adult crowd. But, that's about what sports are boiled down to these days so it works.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:49 PM
I make no apologies for watching boxing, even in it's current state. MMA has its niche, with the ADD adult crowd. But, that's about what sports are boiled down to these days so it works.

LOL better the ADD crowd then the Centrum Silver and Viagra crowd!!!!

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Tyson was big in late 80s/early 90s, not really since. Important to keep up with things if you plan on speaking to them. Then again, I find most of your sport's references are about 20 years old so at least you are consistent.


No you don't.....you brought up the "freak show" comment....I do believe he still shows up in the news.......and just where are all of the Mega boxing matches like there used to be....talk about a dinosaur sport....don't they show it on the "Ocho" now days?

The pair of you need to stop. If you didn't know by now, Carlos Fernandez has proven that soccer (originallly named Association Football and still called Football by the majority of the playing world) is way more popular than boxing in America. He backed it up with stats and everything!!
:joker::bolt:

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 03:57 PM
The pair of you need to stop. If you didn't know by now, Carlos Fernandez has proven that soccer (originallly named Association Footballi and still called Football by the majority of the playing world) is way more popular than boxing in America. He backed it up with stats and everything!!
:joker::bolt:

In football......do you mean Futbol where a bunch of sissies chase each other around the field for an hour and a half? Or Football where they try and tear each others heads off? :lmao::lmao:

SwimStud
July 25th, 2008, 03:58 PM
In football......do you mean Futbol where a bunch of sissies chase each other around the field for an hour and a half? Or Football where they try and tear each others heads off? :lmao::lmao:

I know what it's called, you can debate what you want call it with Carlos!
:thhbbb:

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 04:01 PM
I know what it's called, you can debate what you want call it with Carlos!
:thhbbb:

Early bloomer discussions are more interesting.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 04:02 PM
I kind of think we hi-jacked this thread.......

Daaaave
July 25th, 2008, 04:07 PM
then they too are caught up in her little web of deception and might be damaged by this.
The thing about cheats is that they typcially don't go down without taking others with them.

I missed the part where malicious intent was proven or admitted. I just think you're giving a 21-year old girl (yes, girl) too much credit by implying she masterminded an intricate doping plan that is just now being exposed.

I agree that it's possible she overtly cheated, but, as another poster pointed out, unauthorized bonus molecules have been found in supplements from this company so that is also a possibility. Just because "I unintentionally ate a tainted supplement" can be an easy excuse for genuine cheaters doesn't mean it doesn't actually happen for someone trying to be above board.

I was wrongfully accused of something when I was 21; nothing horrific (e.g. rape), but enough so I needed lawyers and that my life was disrupted for several months. Adults decades older said hateful things based only on speculation. I was fully, rightfully exonerated but I got no apologies (not that I was expecting them) and my parents still suffer from having to watch the specacle many years later.

I am going to withhold judgement until we have more info. If she did cheat on purpose, I can still say screw her when we find out. If this was unintentional, even if you think the chance of that is low, imagine the anguish...JH doesn't need anonymous people villifying here on message boards if that's the case. Of course, it's devastating for Kirk, Jackson, et al, either way.

smontanaro
July 25th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Google Advocare and Larsen Jensen and it's the first link that comes up.

It's now gone.

It's looks like this company and/or the athletes are scambling to cut ties with each other.

Google text cache of that page as of 7/17 (at least for the time being):

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:s04CK7rqbGkJ:supplementalscience.wo rdpress.com/2008/07/17/advocare-sports-endorsers-join-team-usa/+Advocare+Larsen+Jensen&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1

Edit: I also saved a copy locally if this one disappears. Just ask if you get shut out.

Skip

swimr4life
July 25th, 2008, 04:17 PM
AdvoCare Full Press Release

AdvoCare products safe and free from all banned substances

July 25, 2008 - - Contrary to any false and misleading reports, AdvoCare products contain no ingredients banned by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) or the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) which monitor Olympic and amateur sports, or by the NCAA, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, MLS, or NASCAR. AdvoCare is aware of recent information about AdvoCare and some of the company’s athletic endorsers in regard to our products and remains completely confident that all of our products contain only approved substances.

In the company’s 15-year history, AdvoCare products have never tested positive for banned substances of any kind with any of our athletic endorsers.

AdvoCare strongly adheres to the highest principles of quality and integrity with respect to its products. Every ingredient in each AdvoCare product is listed on the product label. No ingredients are included which are not contained on the label. In addition the manufacture of AdvoCare products occurs in facilities authorized to produce foods and dietary supplements. Process and Quality Control programs are integral elements of the Quality Assurance programs for each manufacturer. All manufacturers operate in compliance with FDA Good Manufacturing Practices as enforced by the USFDA. Extensive analytical procedures are employed by both the manufacturers as well as third party laboratories to ensure the integrity and identity of each product.

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I missed the part where malicious intent was proven or admitted. I just think you're giving a 21-year old girl (yes, girl) too much credit by implying she masterminded an intricate doping plan that is just now being exposed.

What exactly is the age where an elite athlete has your green light to be smart enough to dope? What about her coach, he smart enough? How can someone unintentionally cheat? It's pretty dang simple, you don't put banned substances in your body.

swimdoping
July 25th, 2008, 04:22 PM
Looks like a scapegoating tactics by Jessica Hardy and her team. Here's more on the banned 'Clenbuterol '.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20080725-9999-1s25olyswim.html





Clenbuterol is listed under banned anabolic agents, which build muscle and hasten recovery. It also possesses stimulant qualities and is sometimes prescribed to asthma patients.

Another benefit: Some steroid experts claim that Clenbuterol, if taken orally, generally clears the body in four days – and perhaps less if smaller doses are ingested.
“It has faster clearance than any of the anabolic steroids, and it's an anabolic substance,” BALCO doping guru Victor Conte said. “It will accelerate healing and tissue. It could also be used as a stimulant but would more likely be used between events to enhance recovery.”


http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/olympics/2008/07/kirk_blasts_dopetest_timeline.html



Bremerton swimmer Tara Kirk, citing "incompetence, laziness and deceit" among those responsible for dope-testing swimmers and establishing the U.S. Olympic team, today vowed to petition for what she says is her her rightful spot on the Beijing squad in light of a reported positive doping test by swimmer Jessica Hardy, who finished ahead of Kirk in the Olympic Trials.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Ultimate Nutrition was the company that Kicker Vencill sued and won a lawsuit against for coming up positive a few years back.

Ultimately, he even realized that you/we as swimmers are responsible for what we ingest/inject into our bodies....nobody is holding them down and forcing them. His suspension was reduced but not vacated completely....

swimdoping
July 25th, 2008, 04:44 PM
To believe the elite swimming circle is clean is simply laughable. All of them are using drugs. I simply refuse to believe world record can be broken like nothing without performance-enhancing drugs involved.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 04:48 PM
To believe the elite swimming circle is clean is simply laughable. All of them are using drugs. I simply refuse to believe world record can be broken like nothing without performance-enhancing drugs involved.

Yep....everyone of them.....

As Walter would say....."Hold on to that dream pal"

Phelps, Coughlin, Beard - everyone of them! Well with that said there is no reason to watch the Olympics....we can all go home now!!!:violin:

aquageek
July 25th, 2008, 05:04 PM
I simply refuse to believe world record can be broken like nothing without performance-enhancing drugs involved.

I simply refuse to believe someone would say something this stupid, unless they are on drugs, PED or not.

tjburk
July 25th, 2008, 05:07 PM
I simply refuse to believe someone would say something this stupid, unless they are on drugs, PED or not.

I second that opinion!!!

ALM
July 25th, 2008, 06:41 PM
From an FDA web site:

Overview of Dietary Supplements
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-oview.html

Excerpts:


What is a dietary supplement?

Congress defined the term "dietary supplement" in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1994. A dietary supplement is a product taken by mouth that contains a "dietary ingredient" intended to supplement the diet. The "dietary ingredients" in these products may include: vitamins, minerals, herbs or other botanicals, amino acids, and substances such as enzymes, organ tissues, glandulars, and metabolites. Dietary supplements can also be extracts or concentrates, and may be found in many forms such as tablets, capsules, softgels, gelcaps, liquids, or powders. They can also be in other forms, such as a bar, but if they are, information on their label must not represent the product as a conventional food or a sole item of a meal or diet. Whatever their form may be, DSHEA places dietary supplements in a special category under the general umbrella of "foods," not drugs, and requires that every supplement be labeled a dietary supplement.

Who has the responsibility for ensuring that a dietary supplement is safe?

By law (DSHEA), the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that its dietary supplement products are safe before they are marketed. Unlike drug products that must be proven safe and effective for their intended use before marketing, there are no provisions in the law for FDA to "approve" dietary supplements for safety or effectiveness before they reach the consumer. Also unlike drug products, manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements are not currently required by law to record, investigate or forward to FDA any reports they receive of injuries or illnesses that may be related to the use of their products. Under DSHEA, once the product is marketed, FDA has the responsibility for showing that a dietary supplement is "unsafe," before it can take action to restrict the product's use or removal from the marketplace.

Does FDA routinely analyze the content of dietary supplements?

In that FDA has limited resources to analyze the composition of food products, including dietary supplements, it focuses these resources first on public health emergencies and products that may have caused injury or illness. Enforcement priorities then go to products thought to be unsafe or fraudulent or in violation of the law. The remaining funds are used for routine monitoring of products pulled from store shelves or collected during inspections of manufacturing firms. The agency does not analyze dietary supplements before they are sold to consumers. The manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that the "Supplement Facts" label and ingredient list are accurate, that the dietary ingredients are safe, and that the content matches the amount declared on the label. FDA does not have resources to analyze dietary supplements sent to the agency by consumers who want to know their content. Instead, consumers may contact the manufacturer or a commercial laboratory for an analysis of the content.

swimr4life
July 30th, 2008, 05:40 PM
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/span-font-style-2109388-pt-family

ALM
July 30th, 2008, 10:21 PM
From The New York Times:
http://olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/possible-friday-ruling-on-us-swimmer-hardys-drug-test-appeal/



July 30, 2008, 3:39 pm
Possible Friday Ruling on U.S. Swimmer Hardy’s Drug Test Appeal
By Karen Crouse

Jessica Hardy is expected to have her appeal of a positive doping test heard in the next two days in Los Angeles, with a ruling possible as early as Friday. Hardy, a 21-year-old swimmer from Long Beach, Calif., tested positive for clenbuterol at the United States Olympic Swimming Trials in Omaha earlier this month.

She qualified for the team in the 100-meter breaststroke –- an event in which she holds the American record — the 4X100 freestyle relay and the 50 freestyle. Hardy was tested for performance-enhancing drugs after each final at the trials. The results of her samples taken on July 1 and July 6 were negative. Her sample after the 100 freestyle on July 4 was positive.

While declining to give a specific timetable, Hardy’s attorney, Howard Jacobs, said on Wednesday that her case “is certainly going to be resolved in time so that if she’s exonerated she’ll have time to compete.”

Hardy’s appeal will be heard by an American Arbitration Association arbitrator. If the arbitrator should rule against her, Hardy can appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

She has remain sequestered in Southern California this week, half a world removed from the rest of the U.S. Swim team, which traveled last weekend to Singapore, its final pre-Games base.

The swimming competition at Beijing opens Aug. 9. Hardy’s first event, the 100 breaststroke, is Aug. 10.

craiglll@yahoo.com
July 31st, 2008, 03:22 AM
This rather different but still on the same line. Yesterday i drank a bottle of Fuze with melons and something els. I started to itch around my mouth. By 8:30 I had to go to the ER. My face was bright red and itched like mad. I had high blood pressure and my hands had bumps on them. Got shots of lots of drugs. Did much better after awhile. It is amazing how over the edge it feels to get an IV shot of Benadryl.

swimshark
July 31st, 2008, 07:27 AM
Wow, Craig. I'm glad you are okay.