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ande
July 30th, 2008, 01:20 PM
2008 USMS Long Course National Championships
Thursday, August 14, 2008 - Sunday, August 17, 2008 at the

Real Time Results (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats08/realtime/)

Mt. Hood Community College Aquatic Center (http://www.mhcc.edu/pages/995.asp) in
Gresham, Oregon

Heat/Psyche Sheets (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats08/heats/)

Results (no link yet)

reading the heat sheet makes me wish I'd signed up

Jazz Hands
August 6th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Fricking frick.

I tweaked my shoulder on a start yesterday, and it feels even worse today. Hoping the situation will improve by the meet. A taper is supposed to be about resting, I guess.

aquageek
August 6th, 2008, 03:36 PM
A taper is supposed to be about resting, I guess.

What the heck would be a taper for your - 2 X 25?

Jazz Hands
August 6th, 2008, 03:40 PM
What the heck would be a taper for your - 2 X 25?

Fewer days sprinting per week, and less sprinting yardage/intensity. Basically I sprint pretty high volume in the months leading up to a meet, at the limit of my recovery. Closer to a meet I just do enough to maintain speed.

Paul Smith
August 6th, 2008, 04:14 PM
Fricking frick.

I tweaked my shoulder on a start yesterday, and it feels even worse today. Hoping the situation will improve by the meet. A taper is supposed to be about resting, I guess.

It always seems to be the case that a week or two out is when most people get sick or injured. As for starts, way to much on the legs this close to a meet for me...I practice several times a week all season and stop about 10 days out....although I did get on the blocks today and rolled into the pool if that counts?

Geek...that was pretty funny by the way!

Kurt Dickson
August 6th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Best race of the meet (excluding crap sprints of course) will be the 40-44 1500--Hochstein, Shaffer, Erwin and Utsch will have four out of the top 5 fastest times overall. It may not be close but they will all be fast.

Paul Smith
August 6th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Best race of the meet (excluding crap sprints of course) will be the 40-44 1500--Hochstein, Shaffer, Erwin and Utsch will have four out of the top 5 fastest times overall. It may not be close but they will all be fast.

Hoch won't be there...but it should still be great...Kurt, we expect you to move up to top 3 my man!

Also...watch Baker...he's swimming it fly (entered at 18:59)

Kurt Dickson
August 6th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Hoch won't be there...but it should still be great...Kurt, we expect you to move up to top 3 my man!

Also...watch Baker...he's swimming it fly (entered at 18:59)

If I get beat in a 1500 by someone swimming butterfly, I might have to quit swimming or start drinking :drink:(even if that someone is the venerable DB).

knelson
August 6th, 2008, 05:20 PM
Don't count out David Kays, either. I don't think he can win, but he'll be in the mix. He swam right around 18:00 at a USA-S meet in early July.

Kurt Dickson
August 6th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Don't count out David Kays, either. I don't think he can win, but he'll be in the mix. He swam right around 18:00 at a USA-S meet in early July.

Wouldn't count him out, but I don't think he can hang with Utsch, Erwin, or Shaffer; that is if history means anything in Masters swimming. Utsch, a former UA All-American, pounds me into the ground about annually. Erwin a former Berkeley stud, I believe, has one of the top miles of all time. Shaffer has one of the oldest Ironman swim records in the books--43 minutes at IM Canada in 93. The 40-44 age group is one of the deepest for distance. I got 7th or 8th at nationals in the 1650 about 5 years ago and the time was good enough to win any of the other age groups. I think the top 8 in the 40-44 will all be under 18:00 at Portland.

Chris Stevenson
August 6th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Best race of the meet (excluding crap sprints of course) will be the 40-44 1500--Hochstein, Shaffer, Erwin and Utsch will have four out of the top 5 fastest times overall. It may not be close but they will all be fast.

Even without Erik this will be very deep. It will be fun to watch, I'll have to stick around after counting for a teammate.

You should have entered the 800...much easier field and you'd be done earlier, too!

The 40-44 100 fly will be fun, too...6 people entered under 1:00.

SwimRobin
August 6th, 2008, 05:59 PM
This sounds like it will be a great race, but be prepared to stick around late if you want to watch it!

Paul Smith
August 6th, 2008, 06:06 PM
The 40-44 100 fly will be fun, too...6 people entered under 1:00.

And one of them buying me a cold one afterwards!

Peter Cruise
August 6th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Okay, someone will have to tape Dennis doing the 1500 fly and post it. What a way to shut up the whiners at workouts when fly is thrown into the mix.

knelson
August 6th, 2008, 09:04 PM
The 40-44 age group is one of the deepest for distance.

It really is. I'm glad I'm a few years younger than that group :)

Big AL
August 6th, 2008, 09:18 PM
I practice several times a week all season and stop about 10 days out.

Hey, me too. My favorite taper workout is no workout. I sometimes miss more workouts in two weeks of taper than I miss all year long. Some of my best tapers are spent sleeping for two or three weeks and NEVER getting to the pool. That goes for preparing for the 1000 or longer, too.
It's the Rip Van Winkle Taper. :banana:

Chris Stevenson
August 7th, 2008, 06:54 AM
And one of them buying me a cold one afterwards!

Dreamer. I'm just trying to decide which excuse you'll use to try to weasel out of our bet.

1. "There is no one to race in my age group."
2. :cane:
3. "I laughed at my wife and she beat me up. Again."

ande
August 7th, 2008, 11:12 AM
Hey Chris,

good luck
I look forward to seeing how fast you're gonna swim


Even without Erik this will be very deep. It will be fun to watch, I'll have to stick around after counting for a teammate.

You should have entered the 800...much easier field and you'd be done earlier, too!

The 40-44 100 fly will be fun, too...6 people entered under 1:00.

ande
August 7th, 2008, 11:14 AM
1500 fly ouch that'll be something
years ago an SMU swimmer used to swim 400 FLY in the 400 free

I've done a few 200 fly's but never further
It's been years since I've done one
Might make a reappearance one day


Hoch won't be there...but it should still be great...Kurt, we expect you to move up to top 3 my man!

Also...watch Baker...he's swimming it fly (entered at 18:59)

JimRude
August 7th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Wouldn't count him out, but I don't think he can hang with Utsch, Erwin, or Shaffer; that is if history means anything in Masters swimming. Utsch, a former UA All-American, pounds me into the ground about annually. Erwin a former Berkeley stud, I believe, has one of the top miles of all time. Shaffer has one of the oldest Ironman swim records in the books--43 minutes at IM Canada in 93. The 40-44 age group is one of the deepest for distance. I got 7th or 8th at nationals in the 1650 about 5 years ago and the time was good enough to win any of the other age groups. I think the top 8 in the 40-44 will all be under 18:00 at Portland.

Jeff Erwin (aka "Spud") is indeed a former Cal Golden Bear!!

BillS
August 7th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Okay, someone will have to tape Dennis doing the 1500 fly and post it. What a way to shut up the whiners at workouts when fly is thrown into the mix.


Better bring a whole film crew and a battery of klieg lights. The timeline has the 1500 ending at 9:20, and even with a fly seed time, Dennis will likely end up in one of the last two or three heats. Maybe it's still light at 9:00 way up there in Canada, eh, but down south here in Oregon it's the dimming of the day.

ande
August 12th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Although we're swept up with the Olympics
Let's not forget USMS LCM Nats are 2 days away and well worth following

if you're going what events are you swimming?

What suit/s are you going to wear

Psyche (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats08/heats/)

as more USMS swimmers race in the latest tech suits like the
Blue Seventy Nero Comp (http://tinyurl.com/6dcwha)
many world & USMS records are likely to fall,
plus it's likely to take faster times to make top 10

What do you think?

Sixth Event Decision DROPPED
The Championship Committee has decided that swimmers' sixth event entries shall be dropped from this meet due to the large size of the meet and expected long days. The estimated time line will be available by Monday, July 21.

pwolf66
August 12th, 2008, 10:22 AM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

Sat - 50 Fly, 100 Free, 50 back
Sun - 100 Back, 50 Free

What suit/s are you going to wear

A slightly too large Speedo FS kneeskin as I took too long in deciding what to order. Hopefully I can try on some suits, namely the B70, at Nats. Depending on how that feels during warmup, I might swim back in just my Speedo FS 2 jammer.

What do you think? Sixth Event Decision DROPPED

Given the number of registrants and only one course available, I think this is the right decision. It's going to be long days and it would have been unbearable if the 6th event was being swam. I just wish I had marked 100 back as my 6th instead of 50 breast.

JimRude
August 12th, 2008, 11:20 AM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

50 Breast
100 Breast
200 Breast
100 Free [maybe]

What suit/s are you going to wear

either BlueSeventy Nero Comp or FSII Legskin

What do you think?

Sixth Event Decision DROPPED

I'm too old to contemplate swimming 6 events in 2-3 days at top level, and I HATE spending 8+ hours at the pool - so, great! :blah:

poolraat
August 12th, 2008, 12:10 PM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

Sat - 50 Fly, 100 Free, 50 back and a relay
Sun - 100 Back, 50 Free


What suit/s are you going to wear

For back and fly a FSPro Legskin, for Free a FSPro Bodysuit.


What do you think? Sixth Event Decision

Didn't enter a sixth event

Jazz Hands
August 12th, 2008, 12:20 PM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

50 fly
50 free

What suit/s are you going to wear

Nike Hydra jammer. It's black, the color of intimidation.

Sixth Event Decision

Nobody needs to be swimming six events.

BillS
August 12th, 2008, 02:24 PM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

800, 200, 100, 50 Free
100 Breast


What suit/s are you going to wear

Free: FS Pro full suit
Breast: FS I knee suit or FS II jammers, TBD



Sixth Event Decision DROPPED
The Championship Committee has decided that swimmers' sixth event entries shall be dropped from this meet due to the large size of the meet and expected long days. The estimated time line will be available by Monday, July 21.

Good move. Had I had even a lick of sense, I would have designated the 50 free as my 6th and had Sunday off. Although I like the 50.

SwimStud
August 12th, 2008, 02:27 PM
What suit/s are you going to wear

Nike Hydra jammer. It's black, the color of intimidation.


LOL--classic.

It's the colour of a funeral where I come from... so maybe I should save that for the 200 FLY ;)

pwolf66
August 12th, 2008, 02:27 PM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

50 fly
50 free

Sixth Event Decision

Nobody needs to be swimming six events.

Nor apparently a third :duel:

Paul Smith
August 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
if you're going what events are you swimming?

50 fly
50 free

What suit/s are you going to wear

Nike Hydra jammer. It's black, the color of intimidation.

Sixth Event Decision

Nobody needs to be swimming six events.

I think Chris S. & I need to get you into a drinking game...and Hulk can be the bouncer when you try to crawl out on your stomach without paying up..

FlyQueen
August 13th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Swimming the 50/100/200 free and 50/100 fly

Wearing an FS-Pro that I have yet to try on

6th event - didn't register for one and glad they dropped it so we don't all have to have even more time between events.

ande
August 13th, 2008, 10:46 AM
you go girl


Swimming the 50/100/200 free and 50/100 fly

Wearing an FS-Pro that I have yet to try on

6th event - didn't register for one and glad they dropped it so we don't all have to have even more time between events.

pwolf66
August 13th, 2008, 03:59 PM
It's gonna be a warm one boys and girls.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/tenday/USOR0148?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_outdoors

Whew, 96 tomorrow, 97 Fri, 94 Sat and a balmy 86 on Sunday

swimshark
August 13th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Swimming
800, 400 and 200 free
400 IM
200 breast
Mixed Medley and women's free relays

Wearing - new Tyr aquapel. Well, new to me.

Glad the 6th event was dropped.

It will be warm here. It was beautiful the last 2 days.

Jazz Hands
August 13th, 2008, 11:01 PM
So here I am, a couple days before my first race, and my shoulder still hurts. Sprinting is not comfortable, and at the moment I would rather not take the risk of going all out with the adrenaline. I really don't know what to do. Drop out? I wanted to meet everyone and be friendly and all that, but the hotel and gas are a lot of money.

pwolf66
August 13th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Have you been treating it? Icing it? Letting it rest? If so and it is not improving, then maybe you should not swim. If you haven't been doing that, why not?

Ice it. 10 on, 10 off, 3 cycles, twice a day. Take anti-inflamatories. Let it rest. As in don't use it unless you absolutely have to, that includes lifting things, operating a computer mouse, etc.

Jazz Hands
August 13th, 2008, 11:30 PM
Thanks for the advice, Paul. I have been resting this week, except for some sprints today to see how it felt. No ice or NSAIDs yet, but I will ice it tonight and tomorrow.

knelson
August 14th, 2008, 12:16 PM
See everyone in Portland! Looks like it's going to be a scorcher. I think I'll be spending as much time in my nice air conditioned hotel room as possible.

ande
August 14th, 2008, 03:14 PM
Real Time Results (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats08/realtime/)

800's are done

SwimStud
August 14th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Real Time Results (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats08/realtime/)

800's are done

2 Moore, Alison B 38 OREG 11:29.42 11:02.80
Way to go Swimshark!!

ourswimmer
August 15th, 2008, 01:04 AM
According to the "latest completed heat," K. Dickson and K. Nelson pushed one another to very fine swims. Nice work, gentlemen.:wine:

gull
August 15th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Bradford Gandee (50-54) enters a 2:10.00 for the 200 free and swims a 2:10.00.

The Fortress
August 15th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Bradford Gandee (50-54) enters a 2:10.00 for the 200 free and swims a 2:10.00.

At least he's not getting slower! He's an animal.

Good job Swimshark and Donna Hooe, dropping tons of time.

I see Paul Smith won the 200 free by a mere 7 seconds. Waiting for his report on the predicted ubiquity of B70s.

More BR records by Bob Strand and David Guthrie.

Animal
August 15th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Looking at the results the 1500 in the 40 to 45 mens was very fast. Way to go those distance guys!

Jazz Hands
August 15th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I see Paul Smith won the 200 free by a mere 7 seconds. Waiting for his report on the predicted ubiquity of B70s.

Smith looked very smooth in that race. I'm at the hotel now and missing the rest of today's races because it's a hundred freaking degrees. And the B70s are everywhere.

The Fortress
August 15th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Smith looked very smooth in that race. I'm at the hotel now and missing the rest of today's races because it's a hundred freaking degrees. And the B70s are everywhere.

I'd be curious whether there is any consensus that they are faster or resulting in faster times.

A couple sick fast times for Paul and Chris Stevenson in the 100 fly! Paul Carter too. And Chris just missed the national record in the 200 back.

ande
August 15th, 2008, 10:31 PM
whoa

Event 14 Men 25-29 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 55.35 8/18/2002 HONZA VITAZKA
World: W 54.29 3/2/2008 MATTHEW BOWE, GBR
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Kawamoto, Kohei 29 ARIZ 53.01 53.09W
25.53 53.09 (27.56)

nice swim chris

Event 14 Men 40-44 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 57.57 8/17/2001 PAUL CARTER
World: W 57.57 8/17/2001 PAUL CARTER, USA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Hiltabiddle, Steve 42 JAM 59.60 58.18
27.18 58.18 (31.00)
2 Stevenson, Chris L 44 VMST 59.12 58.29
27.78 58.29 (30.51)


great job paul

Event 14 Men 45-49 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 56.42 8/4/2002 PAUL CARTER
World: W 56.85 8/11/2002 PAUL CARTER, USA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Smith, Paul L 49 ARIZ 59.04 57.60
26.88 57.60 (30.72)
2 Kenny, John 48 DAMM 1:05.00 59.87


carter obliterates record

Event 14 Men 50-54 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 59.49 8/15/2004 TRIP HEDRICK
World: W 59.49 8/15/2004 TRIP HEDRICK, USA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Carter, Paul V 51 CAST 56.98 57.23N
26.65 57.23 (30.58)

tjrpatt
August 16th, 2008, 07:51 AM
In the men's 30-34, there were some pretty stellar times in the 400 IM.

ande
August 16th, 2008, 05:03 PM
dang

Event 24 Men 25-29 50 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 25.16 1984 DEFORREST/BOTTOM
World: W 24.48 6/12/2005 KOHEI KAWAMOTO, JPN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Kawamoto, Kohei 29 ARIZ 23.87 23.71W
2 Bannan, Brett T 26 OREG 26.40 25.83

Event 24 Men 45-49 50 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 25.90 8/10/2006 PAUL SMITH
World: W 25.90 8/6/2006 PAUL SMITH, USA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Smith, Paul L 49 ARIZ 25.90 26.06
2 Kenny, John 48 DAMM 27.80 27.13

Event 24 Men 50-54 50 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 26.23 7/18/2004 TRIP HEDRICK
World: W 26.23 7/18/2004 TRIP HEDRICK, USA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Carter, Paul V 51 CAST 26.01 25.88N
2 Schatz, Gary L 53 WMST 27.76 27.63


Event 24 Men 65-69 50 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
NATL: N 30.81 8/15/1998 RONALD JOHNSON
World: W 30.33 7/17/2006 TOMOYASU IIDA, JPN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Lodwig, Keefe L 65 WMST 32.00 28.68W
2 Smith, Robert S 65 OREG 35.90 31.55

Donna
August 16th, 2008, 06:28 PM
At least he's not getting slower! He's an animal.

Good job Swimshark and Donna Hooe, dropping tons of time.

I see Paul Smith won the 200 free by a mere 7 seconds. Waiting for his report on the predicted ubiquity of B70s.

More BR records by Bob Strand and David Guthrie.

Thanks Fort! Ran into Swimshark and she is doing really great as is Floyd. Today was my easy day, just anchor the relay and I felt slow but my split was a second and a half faster than I have gone this year for the 50 free.

I look forward to seeing Dara swim in the finals and hope that possibly next year I might be able to take a crack at beating my best kid time in the 50 Free. She has shown me, if she can do it I can do it too!

I also had the opportunity to chat with Greg Sargent who I swam with back in the early 70's. Ran into him last year too. It is great to catch up on old times.

tjrpatt
August 16th, 2008, 06:37 PM
I am glad that the Men 30-24 400 free wasn't as fast as the 400 IM. There was an impressive 4:14 in the field. I have a good idea of what I need to do in the 400 free next weekend.

Jazz Hands
August 16th, 2008, 06:42 PM
I've talked to several people from the forum. Everyone has been great. Talked about injuries and ice with Heather. Floyd and I discussed how awesome his 50 fly was and how bad mine was. He also invited me to join Team Hot Tub. I'm honored. Paul Smith has a very manly handshake. And of course, big thanks to Hulk for helping me with my start.

Oh I almost forgot to mention the PNA guys. David and Kirk, you guys are cool, too.

tjrpatt
August 16th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Are people wearing LZRs at Masters Championships? I thought that people couldn't buy them until October. Someone told me at a meet this year that Masters swimmers are known for being cheap. I hope that is the case with the LZRs.

joy
August 17th, 2008, 01:45 AM
I haven't seen any LzR's. Kastaway's has them up for show but won't be selling any till after the Olympics. Everyone is buying the Blue 70's from Kastaways, and trying them. Fun Nats.
Lots of good swimming.

Allen Stark
August 17th, 2008, 02:10 AM
A KPN WR was broken.My teammate Arlene Delmage 100 fly 1:06.42.

Suit Chaser
August 17th, 2008, 02:22 AM
In general, good job with the online results. But I'm disappointed to be going to bed without the men's freestyle relay results.

(details, shmeetails)

The Fortress
August 17th, 2008, 09:16 AM
A KPN WR was broken.My teammate Arlene Delmage 100 fly 1:06.42.

I saw that! Great swim! She outtouched Lisa Dahl in the 50 fly too. The Oregon women are very fast. What are you guys eating out there?!

Congrats to you on your fast times too, Allen!

Paul Smith
August 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM
I saw that! Great swim! She outtouched Lisa Dahl in the 50 fly too. The Oregon women are very fast. What are you guys eating out there?!

Congrats to you on your fast times too, Allen!

It's not what they're eating...with more microbreweries per capita than any city on the planet its what they are drinking!

tjrpatt
August 17th, 2008, 04:18 PM
The Men's 30-34 200 fly were pretty stellar to me. One guy did a 2:18 and the second did a 2:32. I will be lucky if I can do under 2:40 next weekend. What stellar times. Thank god, I won't be out of the top ten for the 200 fly and 800 free. But, I am going to the meet next weekend and do my best. There are some fast swim at USMS Nationals.

tjrpatt
August 17th, 2008, 04:20 PM
I haven't seen any LzR's. Kastaway's has them up for show but won't be selling any till after the Olympics. Everyone is buying the Blue 70's from Kastaways, and trying them. Fun Nats.
Lots of good swimming.

The Blue 70s seems just as good as the LZRs. Stovall made the Olympics in the Blue 70, I think. I just need to lose another 50 pounds before I can fit into any of these suits. Plus, the money to afford one of these suits.

ande
August 17th, 2008, 05:20 PM
nice swim chris
got it out
brought it home

ande

Event 38 Men 40-44 100 LC Meter Backstroke
================================================== ================
World: W 1:00.64 7/16/2006 RICHARD SAEGER, USA
NATL: N 1:00.64 7/16/2006 RICH SAEGER
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Stevenson, Chris L 44 VMST 1:01.35 1:00.56W
29.46 1:00.56 (31.10)
2 Davis, Ross C 42 WMST 1:02.68 1:04.44
31.20 1:04.44 (33.24)

elise526
August 17th, 2008, 05:43 PM
nice swim chris
got it out
brought it home

ande

Event 38 Men 40-44 100 LC Meter Backstroke
================================================== ================
World: W 1:00.64 7/16/2006 RICHARD SAEGER, USA
NATL: N 1:00.64 7/16/2006 RICH SAEGER
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Stevenson, Chris L 44 VMST 1:01.35 1:00.56W
29.46 1:00.56 (31.10)
2 Davis, Ross C 42 WMST 1:02.68 1:04.44
31.20 1:04.44 (33.24)

Wow, Chris!!! Congratulations! :)

knelson
August 17th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Wow!

Event 37 Women 30-34 100 LC Meter Backstroke
================================================== ================
World: W 1:05.42 6/27/1996 D.GRANER-GALLAS, USA
NATL: N 1:05.42 6/28/1996 D GRANER GALLAS
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Inada, Noriko 30 ARIZ 1:03.78 1:02.83W
30.98 1:02.83 (31.85)

What's with Arizona and the Japanese pipeline?

geochuck
August 17th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Some good swimming going on. I am still out of the water, sad that I could not be in Gresham. Permission to go back in the water on Monday.

ande
August 17th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Event 40 Men 45-49 200 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
World: W 2:31.42 8/9/2006 DAVID GUTHRIE, USA
NATL: N 2:31.42 8/10/2006 DAVID GUTHRIE
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Guthrie, David M 48 DAMM 2:30.44 2:27.79W
33.89 1:10.56 (36.67)
1:48.60 (38.04) 2:27.79 (39.19)

tjrpatt
August 17th, 2008, 08:31 PM
These results shows what I need to do at my Zones Champs to get into the Top Ten or place higher in the Top Ten in my age group.

david.margrave
August 17th, 2008, 08:50 PM
I had to get a good picture during warm-up after the distance events on saturday AM.

SwimStud
August 17th, 2008, 08:54 PM
I had to get a good picture during warm-up after the distance events on saturday AM.

Hehe the shipping lanes look busy!

Chris Stevenson
August 17th, 2008, 09:42 PM
nice swim chris

Thanks Ande and Elise. After being on the other side of the WR on the 50 (0.07 sec) and the 200 (0.11 sec), it was kind of nice. Even though Michael Ross will undoubtedly set a new standard shortly.

Lot of great swims by many forumites and others, and it was great to meet/see many of you. The meet was long and hot but was extremely well organized -- so much so that the rain didn't start until just after the last heat of the meet!

About that last event, the men's medley relay...my team was in the same heat as the ARIZ team and there was a crazy rumor that Tall Paul was going to swim the backstroke leg. I was all set for some payback after the 100 fly debacle before he chickened out and swam the free leg instead.

That Guy
August 17th, 2008, 10:20 PM
About that last event, the men's medley relay...my team was in the same heat as the ARIZ team and there was a crazy rumor that Tall Paul was going to swim the backstroke leg. I was all set for some payback after the 100 fly debacle before he chickened out and swam the free leg instead.

Great swimming Chris! I heard him trash talking about drinking your Heineken right before your 100 fly... then again, I think everyone heard him.

Quick meet report: 400 im was too slow; 200 back and 100 fly were good. 400 free was too slow (theme?), relays were fun. My 200 fly was this morning... another guy in my heat DNF so I hope everyone was looking at him when the piano fell on me at 175 meters. I haven't done a piano swim since I was 18. My arms were barely getting out of the water at the finish. I took a long warm down, and then went to pick up my medals. The girl at the awards table asked me if I wanted a patch. I said "uh... sure!" For all I knew, it was going to say Mount Hood Community College on it. It says USMS NATIONAL CHAMPION... for my 200 back, which I'll be swimming more often now. Hopefully others in my age group will forget to swim it, like they seemed to this weekend :D

Suit Chaser
August 18th, 2008, 12:34 AM
In general, good job with the online results. But I'm disappointed to be going to bed without the men's medley relay and final club scoring results.

Chris Stevenson
August 18th, 2008, 12:34 AM
My 200 fly was this morning... another guy in my heat DNF so I hope everyone was looking at him when the piano fell on me at 175 meters. I haven't done a piano swim since I was 18. My arms were barely getting out of the water at the finish.

The 200 fly is a brutal event, especially LCM. I had to opt out this meet because it was right before the 100 back, but usually I swim it. It is the only event I do where there are times when I seriously doubt my ability to finish the race!

Paul Carter is obviously an amazing swimmer but, even though he set a national record, this race had to hurt!
Event 36 Men 50-54 200 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
World: W 2:15.29 1/19/2008 HUGO BREGMAN, NED
NATL: N 2:21.40 7/25/2004 SCOTT LAUTMAN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Carter, Paul V 51 CAST 2:15.00 2:18.57N
29.25 1:03.10 (33.85)
1:39.34 (36.24) 2:18.57 (39.23)

I spoke to Mark Gill just after, and he mourned the fact that he was not announcing that race when it occurred. I sure hope I don't have a piano race when Mark has the microphone.

Everyone at nationals this year was treated to 83-year-old Doug Strong swimming the 200 fly. He took something like 20 minutes to complete the race...and was promptly DQ'd (underwater recovery). Man that's rough; couldn't they have stopped him after one lap if they were going to DQ him?

That Guy
August 18th, 2008, 01:28 AM
Thanks Chris. The clock does not lie... so here we go... The difference between Paul Carter's 100's: 12.37. The difference between my 100's: 11.35. Him: National Record. Me: :drown:

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

david.margrave
August 18th, 2008, 01:40 PM
One new thing I tried at Nationals was to vary my breathing pattern in the 400 to help with pacing. I startied with a low level of perceived effort and less frequent breathing, and finished all-out breathing every 2 strokes, and my splits were fairly even except the first 50.

My breathing pattern by 100 was every 4, every 3, alternating 3-2, and finally every 2. Here are my splits

http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=581293

Leg Cumulative Subtractive 1 36.67 36.67 2 1:16.40 39.73 3 1:57.38 40.98 4 2:38.24 40.86 5 3:18.09 39.85 6 3:58.40 40.31 7 4:39.21 40.81 8 5:18.46 39.25

FlyQueen
August 18th, 2008, 03:00 PM
The 200 fly LCM has to be one of the most brutal events ever. I have no intentions of EVER even attempting this event. However, it was AMAZING to watch all of the heats of this race. In one heat a guy swam the first 175 m fly then switched to free - I didn't see it but I can imagine the pain and it makes me cringe. That event in nuts. I give a big ole :notworthy: to anyone that even stepped up to the blocks for it.

The meet was amazing. While the weather wasn't ideal - it sure beats today's weather. I am at the airport in Portland (hence all the postings) looking out the window that the dreary/rainy weather and wow has it cooled off.

A big shout out to the team hot tub members in attendance - it's fantastic we all have each other because there aren't a lot of people that could have ridden that emotional roller coaster .. :cry::thhbbb::censor::rofl:

knelson
August 18th, 2008, 03:04 PM
A big shout out to the team hot tub members in attendance

I saw someone wearing a Team Hot Tub t-shirt (Jim Matysek I believe). What the heck is Team Hot Tub? Or do you have to be a member to know? :)

SwimStud
August 18th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I saw someone wearing a Team Hot Tub t-shirt (Jim Matysek I believe). What the heck is Team Hot Tub? Or do you have to be a member to know? :)

A subvert group of USMS folks (and others) on Facebook...I really don't know what idiot came up with it...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2358586603

tjburk
August 18th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Careful there....or you might find yourself waking up next to a sheep!!!!!
Oh, never mind that is normal for you isn't it???? :thhbbb:

SwimStud
August 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Careful there....or you might find yourself waking up next to a sheep!!!!!
Oh, never mind that is normal isn't it???? :thhbbb:

Don't make Poolraat angry, that's his chick! :banana:

Allen Stark
August 18th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Except for the heat it was a great meet.There was a scare when Phil Whitten collapsed at the wall at the end of the 100 BK and didn't seem to be breathing.Fortunately he was revived and last I heard seemed OK.
Unfortunately the last event didn't end well for me.My 200 MR appeared to have broken the WR.I was on top of the world for about 30 min.until I went to pick up my medal and found we had been DQd.Major bummer(I'll get over it in a year or two.)Our flyer lost his goggles,miss timed his finish and our free gut left early,Oh Well:doh::doh::censor::censor:.

Allen Stark
August 18th, 2008, 03:48 PM
By the way,the big winner was Kastaway Swimwear.The were selling Blue 70s and almost everyone bought one it seemed.

knelson
August 18th, 2008, 06:02 PM
Rick Colella swam a 5:14.01 in the 400 free. The thing is he swam it IM. The national and world record in the 55-59 age group is a 5:17 by Jim McConica. I'm assuming Colella's swim won't count as the world record because it was technically a 400 free, is that right?

He also set world records in the 200 breast and 200 IM.

The Fortress
August 18th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Unfortunately the last event didn't end well for me.My 200 MR appeared to have broken the WR.I was on top of the world for about 30 min.until I went to pick up my medal and found we had been DQd.Major bummer(I'll get over it in a year or two.)Our flyer lost his goggles,miss timed his finish and our free gut left early,Oh Well:doh::doh::censor::censor:.

That sucks!

FlyQueen
August 18th, 2008, 06:07 PM
That is insanity ... IF my understanding is right than the WR counts for the 4 free but wouldn't for the 4 IM.

scyfreestyler
August 18th, 2008, 06:08 PM
I thought you had to swim the same stroke for the entirety of a freestyle race. Apparently that thought was not well founded.

FlyQueen
August 18th, 2008, 06:35 PM
I just figured out what you were saying. It would not count as a WR for the IM because he did it during the freestyle.

mattson
August 18th, 2008, 06:42 PM
What the heck is Team Hot Tub? Or do you have to be a member to know? :)

Kirk, I had the same reaction when I found out the group around me were all THT members. I didn't notice what secret handshake :cool: they used to recognize each other. (I was given the same explanation that SwimStud gave.)

knelson
August 18th, 2008, 06:55 PM
I just figured out what you were saying. It would not count as a WR for the IM because he did it during the freestyle.

Yes, exactly. I suspect he couldn't make it down until Saturday and that's why he did it. I saw him in the warmup pool before the swim and he said he left Seattle at 4:00 a.m. to drive to Portland.

David Margrave brought up an interesting point about swimming an IM during a freestyle race, though. The rules specifically state "Some part of the
swimmer must break the surface of the water throughout the race." In other words, a legal breaststroke is not necessarily legal in a freestyle race because your head can completely submerge in breast!

swimshark
August 18th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Hi all. Still "live" from Portland. My flight leaves in 5 hours :(

Allen, sorry I missed chatting with you. Sorry about your DQ. That sucks! Floyd, Jazz and Paul S, Heather, Michelle- nice to meet you. I had the pleasure (?) of zipping Paul's Blue70. What a suit!! Watching Phil on the deck was scary. I was glad to hear he was okay and in his hotel by 5 last night.

Great swims by all!! I enjoyed cheering and taking pictures of most of THT.

Stud, thanks for the shout out. Dropping 27 sec was an awesome way to start the meet. In all, I had 5 individual events and 5 Personal bests. With relays, 9 medals to take home tonight. Except for a nasty migraine all day Sat, the meet couldn't have gone any better for me.

I hope you all enjoyed the salmon I served on Friday in hospitality. :)

I think the meet was one of the best run ones I've ben to ever. On time or ahead of the schedule and so smooth. BD and Dennis did an awesome job as well as all the OMS helpers and volunteers.

Allen Stark
August 18th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Alison,sorry I didn't see you.I didn't see many people,as I was in the front lobby of the swim center.It was the only air conditioned area.I asked one of the officials if I could stay there and he said "sure,but don't tell too many people as it is a work area."

swimshark
August 19th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Alison,sorry I didn't see you.I didn't see many people,as I was in the front lobby of the swim center.It was the only air conditioned area.I asked one of the officials if I could stay there and he said "sure,but don't tell too many people as it is a work area."

Near the entrance to the locker rooms? I went there often to fill up my water bottle. Coldest water at the pool.

Paul Smith
August 19th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Near the entrance to the locker rooms

Checking out the guys in their suits coming out of the warm up pool....

Kurt Dickson
August 19th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Alison,sorry I didn't see you.I didn't see many people,as I was in the front lobby of the swim center.It was the only air conditioned area.I asked one of the officials if I could stay there and he said "sure,but don't tell too many people as it is a work area."

That reminds me of nationals in Tempe '03. The locker room was (and is) the only air-conditioned area around. I set up my chair in the locker room and got some looks, but by the end of the meet, it was packed with people sitting, trying not to notice the horror around them--old people trying to fit their shriveled parts into suits several sizes too small. I wasn't supposed to tell but I think Paul Smith was in there just to "compare apples." :wiggle:

swimshark
August 20th, 2008, 07:39 AM
I think Paul Smith was in there just to "compare apples." :wiggle:

Or in his case, comparing "grapes" to "apples".

The Fortress
August 20th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Congrats on taking the best pic at Nats, Alison! You know which one I mean. lol

swimshark
August 20th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Any guesses to who it is?

Michelina
August 20th, 2008, 03:32 PM
[quote=Chris Stevenson;148237]================================================== ================
I spoke to Mark Gill just after, and he mourned the fact that he was not announcing that race when it occurred. I sure hope I don't have a piano race when Mark has the microphone.

Chris... do you mean like the piano race I had in the 200 free???? My family just loved Mark's comments! :rofl:

knelson
August 20th, 2008, 03:52 PM
do you mean like the piano race I had in the 200 free????

30.84 1:03.99 (33.15) 1:39.65 (35.66) 2:16.89 (37.24)

Yep, I'd say that qualifies as a piano race! Thanks for letting us know about it. :)

david.margrave
August 20th, 2008, 03:52 PM
How long a break are people taking? I am taking one week off and I'm
already getting anxious to get started again. There are meets coming
up in September.

Jazz Hands
August 20th, 2008, 04:01 PM
How long a break are people taking? I am taking one week off and I'm
already getting anxious to get started again. There are meets coming
up in September.

I was in the pool on Monday, and the weight room on Tuesday.

swimshark
August 20th, 2008, 04:17 PM
I swam last relay on Sunday and was back in the pool at 5:15 on Monday. I just stepped wrong and my right knee popped so I'll be out a few days now but I'm itching to get back in. Competition is another thing. There is Zones this weekend (not doing) but I don't know what is after that.

Jeff Commings
August 20th, 2008, 04:21 PM
If Ande had swum at nationals, he would have done a warmdow swim, immediately followed by a 3,000-yard workout complete with a rolling start 25 at the end. Then, about an hour before he had to get to the airport, he would have done a complete weight workout, then asked someone to time him again on another roll-start 25.

Ande can't say I'm too far from the truth.

aquageek
August 20th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Is Ande the one that also encourages vampire nails to out-touch you opponents?

Roll start - good one, Jeff.

Big AL
August 20th, 2008, 04:27 PM
How long a break are people taking? I am taking one week off and I'm
already getting anxious to get started again. There are meets coming
up in September.

Time off???

I just took 2 1/2 weeks off getting ready to race and all I got to do was boil my brains out in a heat wave.:rant3: After Houston and now Portland, I am going to have to rethink the outdoor summer meet thing.

Yes... was back in the water Monday and plan to start lifting again today (Wed). More than just getting in shape.... calories burned need to go up again after playing video games for my 2 weeks of taper.

knelson
August 20th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Hey Al, I ran into you in the hallway of the hotel during Nationals and said I thought you were on the board. I think you misunderstood me to mean the USMS Board of Directors, but I meant this "board" as in discussion board.

Chris Stevenson
August 20th, 2008, 05:00 PM
How long a break are people taking? I am taking one week off and I'm
already getting anxious to get started again. There are meets coming
up in September.

Two weeks out of the water. I took two days off everything, went on a bike ride today. I'll mix cycling and lifting (starting light) during that time.

But I don't have a meet anytime soon. If I did, I'd be swimming. (Well, I do have an alum reunion swim meet in September...:)...guess I better get to it!)

Big AL
August 20th, 2008, 05:11 PM
Hey Al, I ran into you in the hallway of the hotel during Nationals and said I thought you were on the board. I think you misunderstood me to mean the USMS Board of Directors, but I meant this "board" as in discussion board.

Kirk,

I figured that out later.....:doh:

I was brain dead from the heat and was ass dragging the whole time. I really was not enjoying the meet and was just going through the motions. I almost had a relapse of my heat stroke (that took me out of competition for the past 10 years) right before the 200IM, so was not excited about racing anything.

pwolf66
August 20th, 2008, 05:16 PM
How long a break are people taking? I am taking one week off and I'm
already getting anxious to get started again. There are meets coming
up in September.

Let's see. I did half a practice last night, will swim another 'practice' Thursday then I have 8 swims this weekend in the Colonies LCM Zone meet.

pwolf66
August 20th, 2008, 06:03 PM
30.84 1:03.99 (33.15) 1:39.65 (35.66) 2:16.89 (37.24)

Yep, I'd say that qualifies as a piano race! Thanks for letting us know about it. :)

Wow, that looks like it hurt. Oh, that's right it DID look like it hurt. Hmm, maybe I have your tribe name????

Out in 1:03.99, back in 1:12.90 ouch.

:thhbbb:

SwimRobin
August 20th, 2008, 06:22 PM
I am enjoying a few days off from swimming this week, but plan on getting back in the pool on Saturday or Sunday. I can never stay away from the pool for too long, however, this break is much needed! Between the extreme heat in Oregon, swimming, jet lag and staying up late watching the Olympics -I'm exhausted!

Michelina
August 21st, 2008, 12:27 PM
Wow, that looks like it hurt. Oh, that's right it DID look like it hurt. Hmm, maybe I have your tribe name????

Out in 1:03.99, back in 1:12.90 ouch.

:thhbbb:


Bahahahahah

The first 100 felt fantastic (and it being my PB too!). But the horror of coming back the last 100. :drown: OUCH is an understatement. Thank you for helping with my leg cramp (again!). :wine:

You got to love Mark... I ordered the DVD of the event, just to hear his commentary! :joker::joker::joker:

That Guy
August 21st, 2008, 01:54 PM
Is there a site to order the DVD? I admit that for all the times that I walked past the video info tent, I never stopped to see if there was an order form or whatever.

Jazz Hands
August 21st, 2008, 01:56 PM
Is there a site to order the DVD? I admit that for all the times that I walked past the video info tent, I never stopped to see if there was an order form or whatever.

http://nwgamefilms.com/video.asp

It appears that the price has doubled.

pwolf66
August 21st, 2008, 01:57 PM
http://www.nwgamefilms.com/video.asp?cat=10109

pwolf66
August 21st, 2008, 01:58 PM
http://nwgamefilms.com/video.asp

It appears that the price has doubled.

Yes, but you get all the heats of each event. The DVDs I ordered will only have a section of the heats for each event that include the ones I swam in.

That Guy
August 21st, 2008, 02:05 PM
Thanks guys. Perhaps I will place orders for my races that actually went well. I don't think I want to relive the piano dropping on me in the 2fly. <johnmadden> BOOM! RIGHT THERE! </johnmadden>

pwolf66
August 21st, 2008, 02:08 PM
I'm not looking forward to seeing the Bataan Death march that I experienced on the last 25m of both my 100 Back and 100 Free swims.

And I know the zig zag swim in my 50 Back is just gonna be sooooo special. <crash> right rope <crash> left rope <crash> right rope <crash> left rope.

That Guy
August 21st, 2008, 02:16 PM
I'm not looking forward to seeing the Bataan Death march that I experienced on the last 25m of both my 100 Back and 100 Free swims.

And I know the zig zag swim in my 50 Back is just gonna be sooooo special. <crash> right rope <crash> left rope <crash> right rope <crash> left rope.

I crashed into a laneline one time swimming 100 LCM backstroke outdoors. I realized that my racing goggles greatly limited my peripheral vision, so I couldn't see the lanelines all that well, and of course I didn't have a ceiling over me to use as a point of reference, so I got off course and crashed. At Portland I competed in larger goggles that allowed me to see the lanelines better. I could also see more of my competitors in butterfly events, etc. Now I take a close look at any pair of goggles before I buy them. Some of them seem to be designed for horses...

swimshark
August 21st, 2008, 02:29 PM
Speaking of goggles, mine have a tendency to show movement on the sides. While I was swimming my 200 breast, I thought the person in the lane next to me was right next to me when she was behind me. Turns out it was the shadow of me in my goggles. Made me go faster, though :)