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Piper
August 5th, 2008, 09:24 AM
Hi,

Here's a link to an article
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102590.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102590.html)

in today's Washington Post that I wrote on performance enhancing drug use by amateur athletes. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my questions on this subject a few months ago. I know there is a lot more to say on the subject so stay tuned.

I've got to say, Red Bull really does seem to help.....

SwimStud
August 5th, 2008, 09:59 AM
Hi,

Here's a link to an article
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102590.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102590.html)

in today's Washington Post that I wrote on performance enhancing drug use by amateur athletes. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my questions on this subject a few months ago. I know there is a lot more to say on the subject so stay tuned.

I've got to say, Red Bull really does seem to help.....

Nothing shocking there, I would bet there are golfers taking PED's to get another 5 yards on their drive etc. I'd rather forgo the top-ten and not risk organ damage or heart attack.

I had a bad experience with ephedra a few years back, I was ready to fight everyone at the drop of a hat, and it made my chest pound hard when I got agitated. I quit the stuff I was taking and then shortly after the whole ephedra scandal thing became news topic.

Rain Man
August 5th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Some light reading:

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=Ai_n99sz1muPJ5VRb9_wORWVTZd4?slug=ys-olympicdoping080508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

An excerpt:
"Before the 2004 Olympics, a self-described nutritionist in Florida who has provided HGH and testosterone to clients, worked with some of [Michael] Lohberg’s swimmers. But Lohberg said Brian Yusem, the self-described nutritionist from Boca Raton, gave the swimmers only protein shakes that contained amino acids.

In 2007, Yusem worked with former NFL quarterback Tim Couch and was involved in a regimen that called for the use of HGH and testosterone during Couch’s failed comeback attempt. After Yahoo! Sports published a story about the matter, the NFL hit Couch with a six-game ban.

Lohberg said he could not recall who introduced him to Yusem. Clifford Carroll, a former employee of Yusem’s who injected a male model with testosterone during taping of an MTV segment on steroids, assisted Yusem when he was working with the swimmers.

“I have no idea about the background of these people,” Lohberg said of Yusem and Carroll. “So when you tell me that they’re involved with drugs or whatever, it’s totally news to me.

“Now, from what you’re telling me, they may have tried to get into working with some people like that, starting small with protein shakes and later finding different ways or whatever. But it never came to that.”

The five swimmers who worked with Yusem could not be reached for comment about Yusem. But Lohberg said he cut off the relationship after about two months in the fall of 2003."

LindsayNB
August 5th, 2008, 11:02 AM
And Patrick Arnold, who invented the steroid THG made infamous during the BALCO scandal, recently published a paper online with the molecular structure of more than a half-dozen undetectable steroids he claims are being sold in commercial products. Whereas athletes used to have to go to the likes of Conte for undetectable steroids, Arnold suggests, now they can go to GNC and other health food stores.

Now that's a disturbing suggestion.

aquageek
August 5th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Now that's a disturbing suggestion.

Ironically, this could very well be the basis of your girl Hardy's appeal.

craiglll@yahoo.com
August 5th, 2008, 11:35 AM
Is Patrick Arnold still selling sports supplements?

NotVeryFast
August 5th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Is Patrick Arnold still selling sports supplements?
This is Patrick's company:
http://www.ergopharm.net/

Paul Smith
August 5th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Saw someone post a link to this site on TRC forum...interesting approach:

"Why an Athlete Guarantee Program?"
http://products.usana.com/en/company/ag/why.shtml

LindsayNB
August 5th, 2008, 07:05 PM
This is Patrick's company:
http://www.ergopharm.net/

If JH were taking supplements like those I would have no sympathy for her. If she was taking Endurox and Whey protein, more so.

swimshark
August 6th, 2008, 07:25 AM
Good article about amateur doping in the Post. Imagine my surprise when I open my paper yesterday and there are people mentioned that I have chatted on here with!

swimshark
August 6th, 2008, 07:37 AM
Good article about amateur doping in the Post. Imagine my surprise when I open my paper yesterday and there are people mentioned that I have chatted on here with!

RuffWater
August 6th, 2008, 10:15 AM
They are all around us.

ourswimmer
August 6th, 2008, 05:19 PM
It's a valiant attempt at sensationalism, but I have a hard time feeling worried about my competitors' (or teammates') caffeine and ibuprofen consumption. I would wager that those are the PEDs of choice for most American adults, athletes or not.

I bet the only reason nicotine is not more popular among adult athletes is that the effect on the lungs of its most common delivery method sort of cancels out any beneficial stimulant effect. But come to think of it, if people are taking sudafed just to feel amped up for racing I am surprised they don't try the nicotine patches or gum. Too expensive, maybe.