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shadowlink18
October 16th, 2008, 01:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5MKDcQ6u9I

so that's how his dolphin kick is so good.

Rykno
October 16th, 2008, 01:44 AM
we use to hold jugs of water over our heads in the deep end while doing 15 sec on 30 sec off. flutter kick, fly kick and breaststroke....

swimshark
October 16th, 2008, 07:50 AM
We hold medicine balls while doing it - free, fly and breast. Sometimes we have to toss them to a partner and keep the ball from hitting the water. And our hands are not allowed to go under water.

tjrpatt
October 16th, 2008, 10:56 AM
I totally have to get one of those straps for vertical kicking.

Paul Smith
October 16th, 2008, 01:51 PM
Now get a water polo ball and play "catch" 25 yards apart and do 25 push ups for every one dropped....welcome to preseason water polo!

ande
October 16th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Vertical kicking is fine though I believe it's far better and more relevant to do
sprint kicks for time 15's, 25's, 50's, 75's, 100's, 150's & 200's

Kicking speed is a function of your:
+ push off or dive
+ streamline
+ body proportions,
+ kicking technique,
+ foot size and flexibility,
+ how much your knees hyperextend,
+ kicking conditioning,
+ psych, expectations, and mental toughness,
+ suit,
+ taper situation and
+ habits.

Vertical kicking might help conditioning but it's nearly impossible to measure performance other than saying you worked the set.

Typhoons Coach
October 16th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Absolutely a great video; and my age-groupers complain when we have to do regular vertical kick without weight, ball, etc...excellent! I cannot wait to share!

Paul Smith
October 16th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Kicking speed is a function of your:
+ push off or dive
+ streamline
+ body proportions,
+ kicking technique,
+ foot size and flexibility,
+ how much your knees hyperextend,
+ kicking conditioning,
+ psych, expectations, and mental toughness,
+ suit,
+ taper situation and
+ habits.

Vertical kicking might help conditioning but it's nearly impossible to measure performance other than saying you worked the set.

You forgot the single most important point...core strength. So many masters swimmers "mule kick" from their knee's vs. high in their core and you need to evaluate if the reason is bad technique or a weak core.

knelson
October 16th, 2008, 06:03 PM
I think I'd be very careful about letting people do vertical kicks with a weight belt on. What if they go under and can't get the belt off? Even if they do get the belt off it could damage the bottom of the pool. I think holding a med ball out of the water would be just as effective. Obviously you wouldn't be able to do the pushoffs from the bottom of the pool, though.

Paul Smith
October 16th, 2008, 06:17 PM
I think I'd be very careful about letting people do vertical kicks with a weight belt on. What if they go under and can't get the belt off? Even if they do get the belt off it could damage the bottom of the pool. I think holding a med ball out of the water would be just as effective. Obviously you wouldn't be able to do the pushoffs from the bottom of the pool, though.

Ok you just blew our whole sceme to try and convince Geek he needed to be doing this stuff....preferably at night in a very deep pool with no lifeguard around after a full meal and several strong drinks.

tjrpatt
October 16th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Where can one buy a weight belt? I don't see it on swimoutlet.com? Just wondering!

Glider
October 16th, 2008, 07:37 PM
SCUBA shop.


Where can one buy a weight belt? I don't see it on swimoutlet.com? Just wondering!