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isobel
November 20th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Have any of you ever been at a meet and seen someone who, say, you've seen in a professional mode, say, for example, crying into kleenex in their office over your life trials, and suddenly you see this same person at a swim meet in a Speedo? And they are in your heat or close to your heat? So there's no way of being subtly invisible, which is your deepest heart's desire? Is there any way I can ban these people (two, now!) from *my* meets and *my* happy place? My only other thought is I must definitely leave them in the dust, race-wise.

aquageek
November 20th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Don't make fun of Stud crying into a Kleenex over his 6:00 200 free. We try to be supportive on this forum. Don't be a hater.

thewookiee
November 20th, 2008, 03:52 PM
Geek- when did you get a portable swimming pool?

gull
November 20th, 2008, 03:57 PM
I kept seeing the Geek at swim meets in his Speedo. I would post the picture again but Jim won't allow it. I finally had to move to Texas ("Come for the barbeque, stay for the angioplasty"). Life is good.

aquageek
November 20th, 2008, 04:12 PM
I kept seeing the Geek at swim meets in his Speedo. I would post the picture again but Jim won't allow it.

I'm not afraid of Jim. Here's a little walk down memory lane for you gull.

pwb
November 20th, 2008, 04:15 PM
I had the reverse happen to me ... probably 7 years ago I showed up to one of my first master's meets after taking 12 years off from competing and I was very far from back into shape. I was walking back to my towel after a swim ... this was before I had discovered jammers, so was in an old school lycra speedo ... and ran into two people who worked for me (not direct reports, but they reported to a manager who reported to me). They were fully clothed and there to watch a friend (who didn't work with us). Not a good scene at all.

I think I've successfully avoided speedo exposure to any co-workers or clients since then.

The Fortress
November 20th, 2008, 04:16 PM
I'm not afraid of Jim. Here's a little walk down memory lane for you gull.

That's not the same guy!

I've never met anyone out of context at a meet. I must not get out enough.

ourswimmer
November 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM
I have never met anyone at a swim event that I had gone to for embarrassing or sensitive professional services (doctor, therapist, etc.). I really would not like that! But besides relying on the other person to be coolly professional I don't know what I could do about it.

My swimming life overlaps the rest of my life quite a bit, though, even though I don't live or work in a small town. Right before my heat of the 1000 at Nationals in Austin, one of my teammates (let's call him Jim) introduced me to someone Jim knew (let's call him Peter) who had asked Jim to introduce us. Why? Because Peter was about to start working for one of my clients, and when Peter told his soon-to-be-new co-workers that he could not start work until the second week in May due to Nationals they said, "oh, is that the same meet that [ourswimmer] is going to?" Now that I know Peter I see him regularly at events and we chat about work some.

I once swam the Trans-Tahoe Relay with a team of people I knew only through our shared field. Some of them I knew before I joined their profession; others I met through work and then learned that they also swam. One of my current teammates works in my field, and when I saw him for the first time in a business suit with dry hair I spent quite a while trying to figure out why he looked so familiar.

It's a little like golfing, only with weirder clothes and less equipment.

aquageek
November 20th, 2008, 05:45 PM
I once swam the Trans-Tahoe Relay with a team of people I knew only through our shared field.

You are officially on my approved list. I want to do this swim before I die. Fort has also committed to doing it with me, just need two more.

slknight
November 20th, 2008, 05:57 PM
You are officially on my approved list. I want to do this swim before I die. Fort has also committed to doing it with me, just need two more.

Count me in. I have always wanted to do that swim. :cheerleader:
Sorry for the thread hijack, Isobel. I don't think that's ever happened to me, but it would certainly be weird.

SwimStud
November 20th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Don't make fun of Stud crying into a Kleenex over his 6:00 200 free. We try to be supportive on this forum. Don't be a hater.


You just being at a meet "out of context!"

poolraat
November 20th, 2008, 06:31 PM
You are officially on my approved list. I want to do this swim before I die. Fort has also committed to doing it with me, just need two more.


You need 6 and that lake is f****in' cold!!! You'll freeze your *** off.

But if you need someone to fill a team, I can be bribed.

The Fortress
November 20th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Fort has also committed to doing it with me, just need two more.

Sorry, booked. My first OW is going to be one of Randy Nutt's sunshiney Caribbean swims, fin division. I'd have to strap on 3-4 B70 wet suits to muddle through cold bleak dreary lake water.

isobel
November 20th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Apparently this doesn't happen to too many people. Hmm. Worse for me, the first time, I didn't know that I knew this person from this particular context, and flirted with him outrageously, and he let me flirt, so he was very professional, but later I found out he knew exactly who I was. Sigh. I was told by my "regular" that I have very good taste.

Obviously I go *out* a little too much! But at upcoming meet I really don't want to see this dude in a Speedo and I'm quite sure I will.

Count me in on whatever swim you are talking about, by the way.

aquageek
November 20th, 2008, 07:27 PM
You need 6 and that lake is f****in' cold!!! You'll freeze your *** off.

But if you need someone to fill a team, I can be bribed.

Fort's in. I've heard it is wet suit illegal, part of the challenge. Isn't Tahoe pretty clear?

BillS
November 20th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Have any of you ever been at a meet and seen someone who, say, you've seen in a professional mode, say, for example, crying into kleenex in their office over your life trials, and suddenly you see this same person at a swim meet in a Speedo? And they are in your heat or close to your heat? So there's no way of being subtly invisible, which is your deepest heart's desire? Is there any way I can ban these people (two, now!) from *my* meets and *my* happy place? My only other thought is I must definitely leave them in the dust, race-wise.

My doctor was a teammate, and of course we competed together quite a bit. He also performed my vasectomy after the birth of brat #2. Fortunately, I was on the DARE program (Drugs Are Really Excellent) at the time, and my lasting memories of the procedure are reasonably pleasant ones. He ended up moving to Botswana (hence the past tense); hope my procedure and/or I didn't have anything to do with that.

Living in a small, sports-nutty town, I see professional folks engaged in all manner of contexts (skiing, mountain biking, windsurfing, kiting, drunkbowling, etc. etc. etc.) and no one seems to give it a second thought.

And I actually preferred my doc being a swimmer.

FlyQueen
November 20th, 2008, 10:43 PM
You are officially on my approved list. I want to do this swim before I die. Fort has also committed to doing it with me, just need two more.

I loathe distance, open water, cold water, and I'd probably get hypothermia for the lack of wetsuit but I seriously could be talked into this just because it's Tahoe.

Rykno
November 21st, 2008, 04:39 AM
not really work related issues, but a few times I have felt uncomfortable talking to the parents of some of the kids I swim with. sicne I swim about 50/50 masters/kids. some of the parents feel the need to congratulate me or ask me how my time was...it was more awkward the first 18 months or so, when my belly hung over my suit, but now that I am getting back into shape, and my times are dropping with every swim.

I remember feeling slightly awkward in college when the girls gymnastics team came to watch a meet, because the school wanted teams to support each other.

we had been to one of their competitions a few days earlier, and they should up, not sure about the others, but I felt slightly uneasy having them watch us (me) in my size 28 (nut huger) speedo. it made it harder to hit on them later on.

same thing when the girls volley ball took time out from their practice to cheer us on. no risk of hitting on them, I was 3 inches shorter then most of them.

aquageek
November 21st, 2008, 07:53 AM
I loathe distance, open water, cold water, and I'd probably get hypothermia for the lack of wetsuit but I seriously could be talked into this just because it's Tahoe.

Sweet - that makes you, me, Fort, poolrat and slknight.

Leonard Jansen
November 21st, 2008, 08:09 AM
My doctor was a teammate, and of course we competed together quite a bit. He also performed my vasectomy after the birth of brat #2. Fortunately, I was on the DARE program (Drugs Are Really Excellent) at the time, and my lasting memories of the procedure are reasonably pleasant ones.

I see both my regular MD and my urologist (who did the V-snip on me) at the pool fairly regularly. No biggy. Yes, the DARE program is good.

Apparently, when MD's get together at conferences, they tell patient stories. My urologist LOVES to tell other doc's about how I discovered that I had prostate problems (in the middle of the Hudson River while doing the MIMS race). He says that no one can top that story - some kind of weird MD bragging rights, I guess.

-LBJ

Mookie
November 21st, 2008, 08:14 AM
My doctor was a teammate, and of course we competed together quite a bit. He also performed my vasectomy after the birth of brat #2. Fortunately, I was on the DARE program (Drugs Are Really Excellent) at the time, and my lasting memories of the procedure are reasonably pleasant ones.

Yah, the DARE program had me cracking jokes during my snip snip. The Doc and the nurse were laughing so hard they left the room mid procedure. I didn't care.

waves101
November 21st, 2008, 08:25 AM
I prefer the out of context in public where you can walk right up to your swimmer friends and tell them they look different with their clothes on. Always a conversation starter or stopper! Certainly creates looks from non-swimmers in the group.

gull
November 21st, 2008, 09:05 AM
Apparently, when MD's get together at conferences, they tell patient stories.

We talk about you a lot, Leonard.

tjrpatt
November 21st, 2008, 09:33 AM
It would be weird to run into people at masters meet that you know professionally. I think that I would vomit profusely if I saw my most recent "stupidvisor" at a masters meet.

Leonard Jansen
November 21st, 2008, 09:58 AM
We talk about you a lot, Leonard.

Yes, the "eighth wonder of the world" - but not a good wonder.

BTW, what's the over/under among your MD buddies on when I'm going to drop dead? I might want to get a piece of that action.

-LBJ

Chris Stevenson
November 21st, 2008, 11:50 AM
Sweet - that makes you, me, Fort, poolrat and slknight.

I'd be more inclined to believe that Fortress agrees to go to Tahoe and sit in a hot tub while you guys swam in the lake (which is cold -- at least, by my internal thermostat -- even in the summer).

slknight
November 21st, 2008, 11:54 AM
I'd be more inclined to believe that Fortress agrees to go to Tahoe and sit in a hot tub while you guys swam in the lake (which is cold -- at least, by my internal thermostat -- even in the summer).

Chris, why don't you be the 6th person? Then our team can consist of half UNC alums. :applaud:

Chris Stevenson
November 21st, 2008, 03:39 PM
Chris, why don't you be the 6th person? Then our team can consist of half UNC alums. :applaud:

I'm willing in theory; it all depends on the timing. And on getting permission from She Who Must Be Obeyed :bow:, who is already grumbling about the number of swim meets/events I travel to.

Then again, I wasn't picked for the Chesapeake Bay Swim lottery :bitching:, so this could take its place...

pwolf66
November 21st, 2008, 03:51 PM
How far would each leg be and HOW cold is the water? This sounds like it might be interesting.

Chris Stevenson
November 21st, 2008, 03:59 PM
How far would each leg be and HOW cold is the water? This sounds like it might be interesting.

http://www.usms.org/fitness/articleofthemonth.php?a=137

Mid-60s in the summer pretty much squares with my recollection. Even in the summer, morning temperatures can easily be in the 40s or colder (feels MUCH colder in the shade than in sunlight, as is typical for CA/NV).

I remember reading about the "Mighty Mermaids" doing this in our LMSC newsletter, they took 30 minutes shifts:

http://www.vaswim.org/newsletters/2008/SeptWebsite.pdf

poolraat
November 21st, 2008, 04:08 PM
How far would each leg be and HOW cold is the water? This sounds like it might be interesting.

The water temp is low 60's usually, although it's a bit warmer right at the surface. Unless it's changed, 6 person team swims 30 min. each, then 15 min. each then 10 minute shifts until finish. Each team has to have a boat.

FlyQueen
November 21st, 2008, 04:39 PM
I'm willing in theory; it all depends on the timing. And on getting permission from She Who Must Be Obeyed :bow:, who is already grumbling about the number of swim meets/events I travel to.

Then again, I wasn't picked for the Chesapeake Bay Swim lottery :bitching:, so this could take its place...

I was wondering if that fabulously named wife of yours ever got annoyed with all of your traveling for swim related things.

The Fortress
November 21st, 2008, 04:56 PM
I was wondering if that fabulously named wife of yours ever got annoyed with all of your traveling for swim related things.

You people are all certifiable. I will hand out hot cocoa.

I often have wondered whether it would be easier being married to a fellow masters swimmer. I'm trying to urge Mr. Fort to compete more so that I hopefully get less of the eye rolling when I mention swim meets. (Thankfully, he doesn't mind the OCD exercising, as he does the same.) On the other hand, my married teammates have to trade off and negotiate over meets. That's no fun either.

aquageek
November 21st, 2008, 06:14 PM
The water temp is low 60's usually, although it's a bit warmer right at the surface. Unless it's changed, 6 person team swims 30 min. each, then 15 min. each then 10 minute shifts until finish. Each team has to have a boat.

My friend who did this twice said it can vary significantly year to year and god help us if there's cloud cover apparently.

I'm gonna hold you all to this as I really think it would be fun. I know having Fort there as our lead off will make it even more memorable. Of course, we'll have to give her a pep talk every 100 yards.

I asked my wife if she'd be willing to participate and I told her that casinos were nearby given her gambling problem. I guess I really am #1 in her book cause that's how many fingers she held up in response.

isobel
November 21st, 2008, 06:22 PM
Hmm. Perhaps this thread should be retitled responding out of context to threads.... I mean I'm really interested in your should swim at Lake Tahoe and all, but what would happen if __________ was there and you really didn't want to see ___________ due to various reasons. Would you drown _________? Tell _________ water is unusually warm, no wetsuit needed, only wimps were wearing wetsuits? What if you were side by side with ________? Etcetera.

I have been amused by the high school response, the boss response, the co-workers response, the vasectomy responses, the wow! You look so different in clothes, response. I may have to wear a disguise. I think those fake nose/glasses things will do the trick. Subtle and all.

aztimm
November 21st, 2008, 06:34 PM
I haven't swam in a meet for years, but I did have an interesting encounter at regular swim practice.

I've been swimming with the same group for about 10 years, and around 5-6 years ago started a new job. One of the guys swimming looked a little familiar, but it took me a week or so (he didn't swim every day) to place him, he was one of this new company senior VP's. One day after workout, I had just showered and was getting dressed, he came up and introduced himself (of course I knew who he was), and I introduced myself. It got a little awkward after that in the office, he knew me (the new kid on the block) while he didn't know many of my co-workers (some had been there a few years). One day I was sitting at my desk, he walked by, and stopped to comment on the workout that morning. Next thing, my boss's boss (who reported to this VP) ran over to see what his boss wanted. After I explained that we swam in the same group I think he felt a little better (but both my old boss and this boss have since left too).

I didn't really think anything of what I wore....the VP was one of the few (only?) guys in our group who always wore jammers. I wear my usual speedo-type suit with a drag suit over it. Since the company is close to where I swim, we had a few employees who swam with the group, it was quite common to see co-workers. But I left there about 3 years ago, for a different company.

SwimRobin
November 21st, 2008, 07:06 PM
With some planning involved, I could definitely be coerced into doing the Trans-Tahoe relay! And, Fort, I am planning for the Bermuda Round the Sound open water swim in the next year or two. I would absolutely love to meet some other Forumites in Bermuda - Michelle, IMSpoiled, Poolraat, Hulk, Flyqueen, Geek?

BTW, I have no interest in mixing swimming and my professional life. Talk about worlds colliding!

nhc
November 21st, 2008, 08:22 PM
This discussion brings me a question: in everyday swimming (not at meets) do most pools allow 'spectators' in ordinary clothes at the pools? I've seen a pool having the rule that such are not allowed, while at another pool I saw people (sometimes parents of kids) in ordinary clothes watching people swimming.