View Full Version : 2002 Long Course Nationals Aug 15-18

Laura Groselle
March 5th, 2002, 03:50 PM
The 2002 USMS Long Course National Championships will be held August 15-18, 2002 at the Robert F. Busbey Natatorium at Cleveland State University.

Hotel and other information is available at:


click on the LC Nats page

The social will be held at the world famous Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Museum on Friday, August 16. We will have exclusive use of the museum for the evening! In addition, there will be a wonderful meal presented by Executive Caterers, a well known caterer in northern Ohio.

Please come join us! It's going to be a blast!

Laura Kessler
President, O*H*I*O Masters Swim Club and co-meet director with Pieter Cath

Laura Groselle
March 5th, 2002, 04:02 PM

The following hotels are on the shuttle route:

Holiday Inn Select
Holiday Inn Express
Embassy Suites
Hampton Inn
Wyndham Hotel

The Comfort Inn is approximately 1/4 mile from the pool and is NOT on the shuttle route. Note that the Comfort Inn has a limited number of rooms (around 80) and will most likely fill up quickly. We do not have a special rate with this hotel, however, it is very inexpensive.

Best Hotels and Suites is NOT on the shuttle route.

Please mention the 2002 USMS LCN when making your reservation to take advantage of the special rates.

Rob Copeland
March 5th, 2002, 06:14 PM
Sounds like it will be a great meet and social. With such outstanding facilities meet management - where do we sign-up??????

When do you anticipate the entry forms being available??

Will the ice be off the lake before the meet???

Laura Groselle
May 14th, 2002, 10:32 AM
Entry forms are now available for the 2002 USMS Long Course Nationals both in Swim Magazine and on our website:


We will let you know when on-line entry capability is available.

Questions? e-mail swimlaura@ameritech.net

Best of luck to those going to Hawaii this week!


May 14th, 2002, 01:03 PM
Can someone please direct me to the requirements for certifying USS times to be submitted for NQT's at the USMS LCM champs? I have read it somewhere, but for the life of me, can no longer find it.

I do not get to swim Masters, for lack of opportunity within a reasonable distance from where I live. However, because my daughter is in USS, I frequently compete at the USS meets. I am getting fairly close to QT's for the August meet and want to be sure, if I am successful in achieving one or more, that I get the proper certification for submission. That is, I am assuming, a requirement to swim in the events after the first 3 freebies, right?


May 15th, 2002, 07:41 PM
It is the honor system. If asked you should be able to say where you made the NQT. You probibly would not be asked unless you swim well below NQT.


June 2nd, 2002, 09:43 AM
What is the parking situation for those of us not staying in hotels on the shuttle route for the 2002 LC Nationals? Will there be ample, relatively close, parking available?

Laura Groselle
June 3rd, 2002, 08:31 AM
There will be ample parking in the University lots around the swimming pool. The University is not in session at that time. The closest parking lot will be the lot directly across the street from the pool, on the south side of Euclid Avenue.

Parking in the University lots will be $5 per day. Street parking is available during non-rush hour times on Euclid and Chester Avenues at $1 for 2 hours (meter parking) and is free on Saturday and Sunday.

Arrangements have been made for the Cleveland State University Parking Department to direct the automobile and shuttle traffic in the recreational complex area throughout the morning hours each day.

I will post the link to the Parking maps when they become available on our club website.

Gail Roper
June 11th, 2002, 07:28 PM
A friend told me that the Busbey Natatorium is located in a poor and dangerous section of Cleveland. Does anyone know what the surrounding area is like? Are there restaurants nearby? Can you eat at the Univ. cafeteria? Thanks for more information.

Laura Groselle
June 12th, 2002, 09:08 AM
Cleveland State University is located on a busy business corridor and is adjacent to the Theater District which is quite nice. I would not say that it is located in a particularly "dangerous" section and there isn't any low income housing near by.

Cleveland State University has it's own police force that is on duty 24 x 7. I swim at CSU and arrive and leave in the dark (for most of the year). None of our swimmers have had any problems and our cars have never been vandalized.

Cleveland is a large city and swimmers should use the same caution that they would anywhere else. If I was coming to the meet and staying downtown I would feel comfortable staying at the Comfort Inn which is 1/4 mile from the pool and is located on the same avenue. I would feel comfortable walking to and from the hotel alone during the day. At night I would walk with others, just as I would in any large city.

As for restaurants, we will be providing an extensive list and a map to all swimmers. The University will be out of session at the time of the meet so the cafeterias will be closed. Since CSU is so close to downtown, there is easy access to about any kind of food imaginable. We will be providing a nice selection of food choices at the pool as well. The closest restaurant is the Rascal House that is located across the street from the pool and is a fun college pizza and burger place.

Laura Groselle
June 28th, 2002, 09:28 AM

The mail-in entry deadline is Friday July 5th. Your entry must be postmarked on or before this date.

On-line entry deadline is Friday July 12th. We encourage you to enter on-line. It is EASY and you receive an electronic confirmation of your entry!

Please enter now - we are expecting a great turnout for this event.

Do not forget to reserve you Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Event ticket. Great food and exclusive entry to all of the exhibits!

Matt S
June 29th, 2002, 08:02 PM

Several members of my family will be swimming only in relays. Hence, they will sign up for the meet, but not enter any individual events. Is this going to cause a problem with registration (either online or by mail)?


Laura Groselle
June 30th, 2002, 12:23 PM
They can enter either way - it doesn't make a difference.

We recommend the on-line method of entry since you receive electronic confirmation that allows you to verify your entry immediately.

It's nice that you will have a family relay. Hope we see more!


jean sterling
July 2nd, 2002, 08:45 PM
How does the sharing-a-lane work in the 1500? Do the two people start at opposite ends of the pool, so they won't be swimming side by side? Does it usually work out quite well?

Laura Groselle
July 5th, 2002, 02:09 PM
Yes, we will start the swimmers at opposite ends of the pool. Swimmers have to stay to one side of the lane and not obstruct the other swimmer's course.

I swam the 1500 in Baltimore two-to-a-lane and had no problem. I didn't really notice the other swimmer at all. I felt that the personal benefit was that I was able to swim earlier in the day, got showered, fed and rested and then watched the others in my age group swim the event later in the day. Kinda fun.

As the meet host I would love to see as many people as possible swim two-to-a-lane = the meet will end earlier each day = good for our swimmers and good for our volunteers!

July 8th, 2002, 04:06 PM
A teammate asked me this question and I don't know the answer. Rather than emailing Laura or Pieter privately I thought I'd ask here in case others have the same question:

"I missed info about the social. Can kids come and where do I sign up?"

This is from somebody who already entered the meet. Regardless of the answer about kids, should I tell her just to wait to buy a ticket until she gets to Cleveland since she's already sent in her entry or should she send in a blank entry to only buy ticket(s)?

Laura Groselle
July 8th, 2002, 08:26 PM
Hi Jeff,
Yes, children are certainly welcome to the social event at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Friday night August 16th.

We are in the process of negotiating a reduced price for children under 12. Those that are interested in children's tickets should contact me at swimlaura@ameritech.net.

Thank you.

Laura Groselle
July 12th, 2002, 07:53 AM

Today, Friday July 12th, is the last day to enter the 2002 USMS Long Course National Swim Meet.

Go to www.usms.org and click through to the on-line entry page. It is very easy to enter. You will need your USMS card registration number and your credit card.

If you have any last minute questions please call 216-444-3981 (D) or 440-526-9590 (E).

Matt S
July 21st, 2002, 10:08 PM
Any estimated completion date for the psych sheets?

July 21st, 2002, 11:50 PM
Matt, you win the prize! As you pointed out, for each nationals, someone has to be the first to ask this question. The answer is as always wishy-washy. From what I heard last week, I'm guessing that we'll have the psych sheets out some time this week, but that's still a guess. You'll know for sure within a day of when I know.

We should start giving a prize for the first one to ask when on line entries will be availabale and when psych sheets will be posted :) .

Bill Volckening
July 22nd, 2002, 01:20 AM
Hey Jim,

When will the online entries open for Short Course Nationals in Tempe?

:) Bill

July 22nd, 2002, 11:01 AM
I can't pass up the opportunity. When will Psych sheets for Tempe be available?

Bill, Thanks for leaving an opening.


July 22nd, 2002, 11:43 AM
Alright Hugh - here is my stab...

Have results been posted for Cleveland yet? I mean, if I can find out how I swam ahead of time I can decide how much time off work I should take for this trip. Better yet, I can decide how late I can stay at the Great Lakes Brewing Company and still make it up for my events. :)

July 22nd, 2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by jroddin
Have results been posted for Cleveland yet? I mean, if I can find out how I swam ahead of time I can decide how much time off work I should take for this trip. Better yet, I can decide how late I can stay at the Great Lakes Brewing Company and still make it up for my events.

Yes, results are now available for the Cleveland nationals. In a surprise turn of events, Jim Matysek has won all six of his events in new world record times. Sadly, you scratched all of your events and were found Monday morning under the bar at the Great Lakes Brewing Company, still drunk from a loooong weekend.

July 22nd, 2002, 02:54 PM
Geez Jeff!!!!!:D

July 23rd, 2002, 11:05 AM

Are there going to be psyche sheets posted prior to the meet?
Where will they be?


July 23rd, 2002, 11:09 AM
Ooooopps!! I've been meaning to ask this for a few days now, and obviously did not read the last few postings!!!
I am anxiously waiting for them too though!:confused:

July 26th, 2002, 09:13 AM
The wait is over. The meet roster (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats02/roster.php) and psych sheets (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats02/heats/) are now available for swimmers to review. Have fun.

Swimmers may also want to check out the top times reported so far this year from meets all over the country at http://www.usms.org/comp/toptimes.shtml. Thanks to Mel Dyck's hard work to locate and translate meet results, we now have about 30 long course meets from this year in the database. More will be added as they come in between now and nationals.

July 26th, 2002, 05:49 PM
Due to the number of entries in the meet and the expected long timeline, all swimmers who have entered six events will have their designated sixth event dropped from this meet. The currently posted psych sheets include the swimmer's sixth event and do not indicate which event entries will be dropped. I'll see if I can update them to provide this indication.

Note that the orginal "What's New" announcement indicated in error that the sixth event would not be dropped. I apologize for the confusion.

Laura Groselle
July 29th, 2002, 12:58 PM
The Cleveland State University Natatorium will be open for all Masters swimmers on Monday and Tuesday, August 12th and 13th from 11AM to 3PM.

I would like to thank Wally Morton, CSU Aquatics Director and Head Men's Swimming Coach for making this possible.


August 5th, 2002, 02:31 PM
New question I heard on deck at a local meet yesterday. Laura, can you please clarify this statement made on the info page?

Men's heats and women's heats will start at alternate ends of the pool. Women's heats will precede men's heats for each event.

I'm a little confused by this. Using the 100 free as a generic example, does this mean:

A) Heat 1 of the women's 100 free starts from end A. Then heat 2, 3, 4, etc of the Women start from end A. After the final heat the first heat of the Men's 100 free starts from end B.


B) Heat 1 of the women's 100 free starts from end A. Then Heat 1 of the Men's 100 free starts from end B. Alternate until all heats are exhausted.

I'm sure it is example A because your second sentence says Women's heats precede Men's but I just want to be sure because the word "alternate" is confusing as it can give two possible scenarios. Plus I can't extract the benefit to swapping ends at the conclusion of each event.


Laura Groselle
August 5th, 2002, 02:47 PM
All heats, men's and women's, will start from one end of the pool, the deep end of the pool.

August 10th, 2002, 10:54 PM
How late will the pool be open on Thursday?

Some of us are driving, and should be arriving Thursday afternoon/evening. If the pool closes after the distance races, then we would want to arrive earlier to loosen up in the warm-up pool. Of course, it would be nice to work on starts/turns in the competition pool (after the races are over).

Laura Groselle
August 12th, 2002, 09:21 AM
The distance events on Thursday are estimated to end at 10:30PM. The competition pool will close after the last heat of the 1500 meter free.

The warm-up pool will be open from 6:30 AM until the completion of the last heat of the 1500 meter free.

Laura Groselle
August 13th, 2002, 08:29 AM
The pool will remain open each day 30 minutes past the completion of the last event.

August 13th, 2002, 08:57 AM
Real time results on a heat-by-heat and event-by-event basis will again be provided for this meet. The real time results can be found at www.usms.org/comp/lcnats02/realtime/. We will also provide results by age group, team standings, and a summary of record-breaking swims at the end of each day's competition in the LC Nationals area (www.usms.org/comp/lcnats02). Note that this daily summary for Thursday may not be available until Friday morning if the meet runs late on Thursday, but the real time results will be available during the meet each day.

August 18th, 2002, 10:16 PM
I would like to thank Laura Kessler, Pieter Cath and every volunteer for running a great meet in Cleveland!

August 19th, 2002, 07:55 AM
I would like to add my thanks and congrats to everyone involved in organizing and running this meet. It was a huge undertaking, and it was a huge success! Thanks to Pieter, Laura, Tom, Lily, Kristen and all! Also a big thank you to Gerry Meyer for the social at the Rock Hall - VERY cool!

jim thornton
August 19th, 2002, 01:14 PM
Let me be the first non-Ohioan to add my voice of gratitude to Laura Kessler and everyone else who did such a great job at the meet. I had a great time and am already making plans to bring my wife and sons back to Cleveland in the not too distant future to see the R&R museum and eat some more of the great food at places like the Great Lakes Brewery and Blue Point.


August 19th, 2002, 05:55 PM
Kudos to Laura Kessler, Pieter Cath and the entire crew of volunteers. This meet was very well run and, the most important reason for going, the social was the best that I've ever experienced at Nationals.

August 19th, 2002, 06:18 PM
On behalf of the North Carolina gang I want to say thanks to everyone involved in such a succesful meet. In addition to a flawless meet we enjoyed your city and your people!!

Personally, this was my first Nationals, and it was a great experience!! I can't wait for next year at Rutgers!! I hope they can keep up with the high standard set in Cleveland!:) :)

August 19th, 2002, 09:09 PM
Thanks to all for a great LC Nationals meet, my teammates and friends had a great time. Thank you for hosting and hope to swim with everyone in Phoenix!

August 19th, 2002, 09:10 PM
Speaking as an observer (vs. a competitor) over the course of the last few days, I must say that I had a splendid time. I accompanied one of the older competitors at the meet (my 84 old grandfather) and got to observe a lot. It was pretty clear that things were running pretty smoothly and people were having a great time. I wouldn't have guessed that the time between heats would uniformly be so brief. Also, that it was easy to understand what was going on from the announcements - both in terms of specific heat information and then other information (the replay on the TV upstairs, when the relays would start, and so on). Nice job, and if my grandpa keeps competing as he ages up, I'll happily join him again (hoping of course that things go equally well next time around).

On another note, if anyone happened to have picked up a black T-shirt with a tuxedo design in the front, saying "Aptos BiCentennarians" on the back, that would be his - he misplaced it sometime on Sunday - if you could email me if it turns up (email in my profile), that would be swell. :)

August 21st, 2002, 05:41 PM

I was unable to get a couple of my placement plates for the last few events. I had to run to the airport. Someone from my team was supposed to pick them up, but missed a couple.
Is there any way I can get someone to mail those to me. Who do I need to contact?


Henry Stewart

Laura Groselle
August 22nd, 2002, 07:27 AM
John at jrdaily@aol.com

August 23rd, 2002, 01:03 AM
Laura and all the volunteers and people that particiapted in the LC Nats meet.


Everyone gave it their all and everything turned out great.
Thanz again Joy

August 25th, 2002, 05:02 PM
It certainly was a great meet in Cleveland! And thanks to all concerned. In the ten years or so that have passed since I swam in the same pool at a National YMCA meet, the men's locker has progressed from the world's worst to the world's best!!

I was pleasantly surprised to find that all of the events were swum in heats governed by age group, rather than exclusively by seed times. (That is, all events of 200 meters or less). Actually, I have spent hours both before and after the meet trying to ascertain if it was written that it was going to happen that way, but haven't been able to find anything other than the deck seeding announcement and warning.

Please, if anyone can find the place where it is so written, point it out to me and anyone else who might be interested.

August 25th, 2002, 05:10 PM
The arcane USMS National Championship seeding procedures are part of the USMS Rule Book Section 104.5.5

http://www.usms.org/rules/ (http://www.usms.org/rules)

hope this helps


August 25th, 2002, 08:23 PM