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ande
February 24th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Links to more 2009 NCAA conf meets

2009 Big 12 Swimming & Diving Championships (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&KEY=&ATCLID=1524120) at the
Mizzou Aquatics Center


RESULTS (http://mutigers.cstv.com/livestats/c-swim/realtime/?DB_OEM_ID=10410)


Psych Sheet (http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/pdfs/09SwimmingPsychSheet.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410)

Last Years Results
Day 1 (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1524419)
Day 2 (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1524422)
Day 3 (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1524423)
Day 4 (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1524425)


Wed Feb. 25

Prelims 4:30 PM
1M Diving - M

Finals 6:00 PM
200 Medley Relay
1M Diving - M
*800 Free Relay


Thu Feb. 26
Prelims 10:00 AM

500 Freestyle
200 Indiv. Medley
50 Freestyle
(15 minute break)
400 Medley Relay
1:00 PM
1M Diving - W

Finals
6:00 PM
500 Freestyle
200 Indiv. Medley
50 Freestyle
1M Diving - W
400 Medley Relay

Fri Feb. 27
Prelims 10:00 AM

200 Freestyle Relay
400 Iniv. Medley
100 Butterfly
200 Freestyle
100 Breaststroke
100 Backstroke
10:30 AM
3M Diving - M
1:30 PM
3M Diving - W
5:00 PM
3M Diving - M

Finals 6:00 PM

200 Freestyle Relay
400 Iniv. Medley
100 Butterfly
200 Freestyle
100 Breaststroke
100 Backstroke
3M Diving - W


Sat Feb. 28
Prelims 10:00 AM

200 Backstroke
100 Freestyle
200 Breaststroke
200 Butterfly
(15 minute break)
400 Freestyle Relay
12:30 PM
Platform Diving - W
3:00 PM
Platform Diving - M
5:00 PM
Platform Diving - W


Finals 6:00 PM

200 Backstroke
100 Freestyle
**1650 Freestyle
200 Breaststroke
200 Butterfly
Platform Diving - M
400 Freestyle Relay

LonghornbackinTX
February 24th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks, Ande! It had totally slipped my mind they were happening this weekend. I have been a bit preoccupied. :) Will Flo or some other site have them streamed?!?

Sam Perry
February 24th, 2009, 11:39 PM
I have no idea why they call this the Big XII Championships for the men. There are only 3 teams in the Big XII that field men's swimming, which is a travesty. Why even bother with a conference meet? Seems like a waste of time other than you can say, at the worst, in the team media guide that you finished 3rd in the Big XII.

ande
February 25th, 2009, 08:24 PM
meet has begun

1 Texas-ST 'A' 1:38.45 1:37.40c 40
1) 58 25.09 Katie Riefenstahl FR
2) r:+0.0 28.13 Carlye Ellis
3) r:+0.0 22.88 Kathleen Hersey FR
4) r:0.29 21.30 Hee-Jin Chang



1 Texas-ST 'A' 1:25.56 1:24.23c 40
1) 55 21.46 Hill Taylor
2) r:+0.0 23.79 Agustin Magruder
3) r:0.25 20.49 Ricky Berens
4) r:0.11 18.49 Jimmy Feigen

LonghornbackinTX
February 25th, 2009, 10:05 PM
I agree. I wish there were more men's teams in the Big XII. Heck, I wish all the schools in the Big XII fielded both men's and women's swimming. :D Would be fun to have one more thing to beat OU Sucks at.

That Guy
February 25th, 2009, 10:22 PM
Men's ACC's started this evening as well.

3 Georgia Tech 6:39.63 6:25.30 D1-B 32
1) Copeland, Noah SR 2) Wagner, Travis SO
3) Tang, Matt SO 4) Nevo, Gal JR
22.06 46.15 (46.15)
1:10.18 (1:10.18) 1:34.56 (1:34.56)
1:56.55 (21.99) 2:20.29 (45.73)
2:45.35 (1:10.79) 3:10.54 (1:35.98)
3:32.73 (22.19) 3:57.69 (47.15)
4:23.51 (1:12.97) 4:50.31 (1:39.77)
5:12.28 (21.97) 5:36.74 (46.43)
6:01.36 (1:11.05) 6:25.30 (1:34.99)

That Guy
February 25th, 2009, 11:05 PM
I just spent a bunch of time finding these realtime results pages for Division I meets this weekend, so I might as well share the wealth.

Big 12 M&W http://mutigers.cstv.com/livestats/c-swim/realtime/?DB_OEM_ID=10410
ACC M http://www.theacc.com/livestats/m-swim/
Big Ten M http://purduesports.cstv.com/livestats/c-swim/pur101207/
Big West M&W http://www.bigwest.org/results/2009Champs/
C-USA M&W http://uhcougars.cstv.com/livestats/w-swim/2009cusachamp/
CAA M&W http://caasports.xosn.com/fls/8500/swimming_live/results/index.htm
Horizon M&W http://wsacltd.org/images/stories/swimteam/meetinfo/0809/horizonleague/liveresults/
Mountain West M&W http://themwc.cstv.com/livestats/c-swim/results/index.htm (http://themwc.cstv.com/livestats/c-swim/results/index.htm)
PAC-10 W http://results.teamunify.com/pnws2/ (http://results.teamunify.com/pnws2/)
WAC W http://wac.org/swim/2009/index.htm

Still haven't found Ivy League W or ECAC M&W.

Iwannafly
February 26th, 2009, 07:50 PM
I know it's straying off topic, but did you see the 500 results from the ACC? Holy crap, that's fast!

Event 3 Men 500 Yard Freestyle
================================================== =======================
Conference: * 4:13.90 2/26/2009 Matt McLean, VIRGINIA
ACC Meet: & 4:13.90 2/26/2009 Matt McLean, VIRGINIA
4:15.68 D1-A
4:24.62 D1-B
Name Year School Prelims Finals Points
================================================== =======================
=== Championship Final ===

1 McLean, Matt SO Virginia 4:13.90 4:10.00*D1-A 20
22.15 46.40 (24.25)
1:11.49 (25.09) 1:36.82 (25.33)
2:02.19 (25.37) 2:27.48 (25.29)
2:52.93 (25.45) 3:18.84 (25.91)
3:44.76 (25.92) 4:10.00 (25.24)

Iwannafly
February 26th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Ooooh, a tie in the 50 free!!!

1 David Walters Texas-ST 19.47 19.27pA 18.5
r:+0.49
1 Jimmy Feigen Texas-ST 19.24 19.27pA 18.5
r:+0.67

Rob Copeland
February 26th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Men's ACC's started this evening as well.

3 Georgia Tech 6:39.63 6:25.30 D1-B 32
1) Copeland, Noah SR 2) Wagner, Travis SO
3) Tang, Matt SO 4) Nevo, Gal JR
22.06 46.15 (46.15)
1:10.18 (1:10.18) 1:34.56 (1:34.56)
1:56.55 (21.99) 2:20.29 (45.73)
2:45.35 (1:10.79) 3:10.54 (1:35.98)
3:32.73 (22.19) 3:57.69 (47.15)
4:23.51 (1:12.97) 4:50.31 (1:39.77)
5:12.28 (21.97) 5:36.74 (46.43)
6:01.36 (1:11.05) 6:25.30 (1:34.99)

And more from the ACC tonight:

1st - Georgia Tech 1:17.84 D1-B ACC record 40
1) Sousa, Mauricio SR 2) Plummer, Nigel FR
3) Copeland, Noah SR 4) Robberson, Garrett SO
19.76 39.36 (19.60)
58.95 (19.59) 1:17.84 (18.89)

:banana::banana::cheerleader::cheerleader:

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 07:17 AM
And more from the ACC tonight:

1st - Georgia Tech 1:17.84 D1-B ACC record 40
1) Sousa, Mauricio SR 2) Plummer, Nigel FR
3) Copeland, Noah SR 4) Robberson, Garrett SO
19.76 39.36 (19.60)
58.95 (19.59) 1:17.84 (18.89)

:banana::banana::cheerleader::cheerleader:
Congratulation Rob! Actually, I guess the congratulations should go to your son. He is swimming well (and really fast!)! I am following a couple of local boys in the ACC, so it's very fun to keep up with!

pwb
February 27th, 2009, 07:20 AM
I know it's straying off topic, but did you see the 500 results from the ACC? Holy crap, that's fast!

Event 3 Men 500 Yard Freestyle
================================================== =======================
Conference: * 4:13.90 2/26/2009 Matt McLean, VIRGINIA
ACC Meet: & 4:13.90 2/26/2009 Matt McLean, VIRGINIA
4:15.68 D1-A
4:24.62 D1-B
Name Year School Prelims Finals Points
================================================== =======================
=== Championship Final ===

1 McLean, Matt SO Virginia 4:13.90 4:10.00*D1-A 20
22.15 46.40 (24.25)
1:11.49 (25.09) 1:36.82 (25.33)
2:02.19 (25.37) 2:27.48 (25.29)
2:52.93 (25.45) 3:18.84 (25.91)
3:44.76 (25.92) 4:10.00 (25.24)

That is definitely moving. Where's this kid from prior to UVA? Is Bernadino still the coach there?

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 08:08 AM
That is definitely moving. Where's this kid from prior to UVA? Is Bernadino still the coach there?

Bernardino is still the coach. He is from Potomac Falls High School in Sterling, VA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=92036&SPID=10592&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1307272&Q_SEASON=2008

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3679847

qbrain
February 27th, 2009, 08:19 AM
Ooooh, a tie in the 50 free!!!

1 David Walters Texas-ST 19.47 19.27pA 18.5
r:+0.49
1 Jimmy Feigen Texas-ST 19.24 19.27pA 18.5
r:+0.67

Yeah, won by a distance guy and a freshmen. Not too bad.

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 08:26 AM
Yeah, won by a distance guy and a freshmen. Not too bad.


It must be nice being a distance guy who can go 19.27 for the 50 free!!!

Glider
February 27th, 2009, 09:07 AM
Rob: Great split, but didn't I see Noah go a 19.8 from a flat start in finals? That would be awesome! Was it a PB?


And more from the ACC tonight:

1st - Georgia Tech 1:17.84 D1-B ACC record 40
1) Sousa, Mauricio SR 2) Plummer, Nigel FR
3) Copeland, Noah SR 4) Robberson, Garrett SO
19.76 39.36 (19.60)
58.95 (19.59) 1:17.84 (18.89)

:banana::banana::cheerleader::cheerleader:

Chris Stevenson
February 27th, 2009, 09:19 AM
I know it's straying off topic, but did you see the 500 results from the ACC? Holy crap, that's fast!

1 McLean, Matt SO Virginia 4:13.90 4:10.00*D1-A 20
22.15 46.40 (24.25)
1:11.49 (25.09) 1:36.82 (25.33)
2:02.19 (25.37) 2:27.48 (25.29)
2:52.93 (25.45) 3:18.84 (25.91)
3:44.76 (25.92) 4:10.00 (25.24)

Out in 46/1:36 in the 500? Incredible. Then again, he split 1:31 in the 800 FR, I guess 1:36 is just cruising.

UVa's 800 FR was awfully fast too, 6:15.0 for an average of 1:33.7. I remember being completely thunderstruck when Rowdy went 1:33 in college (back in 1981 I think)...now we have four guys averaging that fast.

ACCs are quick this year. A 23.2 50 breast split in the medley relay? Seven teams under 1:20 in the 200 FR...including DUKE, of all teams? One of the coaches at practice today said there were about 40 men who split 20.0 or better in relays. (I can't imagine how wavy that pool was!)

I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around these times.

swimmieAvsFan
February 27th, 2009, 10:03 AM
... Seven teams under 1:20 in the 200 FR...including DUKE, of all teams? One of the coaches at practice today said there were about 40 men who split 20.0 or better in relays. (I can't imagine how wavy that pool was!)

I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around these times.

let's just say the pool is set up with double lane ropes, and they were fully tightened, but you wouldn't know it watching the 50 free or the relays! and i'll add that there wasn't a dry timer on deck after 3 heats of the 50 and 2 of the 200 FR... :)

and to bring the thread back on topic, :woot: for freshman leah gingrich who won the 500 free! (gotta give a little love to alums from my old age group team!)

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 10:06 AM
I haven't been actively following the sport for all that long, but I'm even having a hard time keeping up with how many people are going this fast.

I do remember a time when only one or two men could go under 10.00 for the 100 m dash, now it doesn't seem very uncommon. It's almost more rare to see somebody in finals go slower than 10.00

That Guy
February 27th, 2009, 10:07 AM
Still haven't found Ivy League W or ECAC M&W.

ECAC M&W http://www.meetresults.com/2009/ecac/results.shtml
Ivy League W http://psychesheetwomens2009.wordpress.com/

That last link is not a realtime results page, but it's all I could find. It's a pretty funny read, actually.

qbrain
February 27th, 2009, 10:17 AM
It must be nice being a distance guy who can go 19.27 for the 50 free!!!

My guess is that Dave hasn't started his taper yet either. What a great start he had. Jeez.

I don't know if Feign already had automatic, but the only people from UT that should be tapered for this meet would people people who don't have automatic ncaa cuts, which are HAF this year, so it is probably a lot more than normal.

qbrain
February 27th, 2009, 10:22 AM
Also, my bad on calling David Walters a distance guy.

He is a 100, 200fr guy, but he is on floswimming training with the distance group with Kris Kubik joking he is going to be swimming the mile at NCAAs.

pwb
February 27th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Bernardino is still the coach. He is from Potomac Falls High School in Sterling, VA.

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=92036&SPID=10592&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1307272&Q_SEASON=2008

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3679847

While McLean's time is certainly stellar, I was also impressed with the depth of Bernadino's distance crew: 4 guys under 4:18 and three of them are sophomores. It'll be interesting to see how they stack up in the mile.

ande
February 27th, 2009, 01:51 PM
note agustin's 100 breast splits in prelims
guess he was playing around a little

5 Agustin Magrude Texas-ST
54.80 26.87 27.93

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 02:34 PM
note agustin's 100 breast splits in prelims
guess he was playing around a little

5 Agustin Magrude Texas-ST
54.80 26.87 27.93

Wow, those are impressive splits. There are two local kids swimming the 100 br. One in the ACC swam a 54.08, but his splits were not so even. 25.15 and 28.93.

I'm excited about finals!!!

Glider
February 27th, 2009, 03:06 PM
That Guy,

Thanks for the research...good stuff. Would it be possible for you to start a new thread with all these...:applaud:

This Guy


ECAC M&W http://www.meetresults.com/2009/ecac/results.shtml
Ivy League W http://psychesheetwomens2009.wordpress.com/

That last link is not a realtime results page, but it's all I could find. It's a pretty funny read, actually.

Tim L
February 27th, 2009, 05:57 PM
Why do they bother with the Big XII meet? It is like a Texas intrasquad meet, but slower. The lack of depth in certain events is mind-numbing even considering they have just 3 men's teams. Take a look at the men's 400IM. The first 2 swimmers were solid, but fourth in prelims is a 4:02 and 8th was almost a 4:28. The 8th place woman was under 4:18 in the Big XII. It is just a joke that a division I college team would even have a male 400IMer in the prime of his swimming career going a 4:27+ on their team (even walk-ons), much less that person can say they were in the finals at conference. There should be rules against this. The 100 breast wasn't much better.

The ACC is impressive.

I was looking at how many college swimmers have gone under 20 seconds in the 50 free on collegeswimming.com - I count 81 so far in DI and the conference meets are not complete. Plus, there are some in Div. II and III that have gone 19s prior to their national meets. There will probably be at least 100 college swimmers going under 20 seconds this year. When I was in college in the 80s it was amazing to see a sub-20 swim and now it is just pedestrian.

When will the first 40-plus year old masters swimmer break 20 seconds? After watching Dara this summer it certainly has to be considered possible at some point even though the current record seems to be a ways off at 20.95 by Paul Smith. Maybe Josh Davis in 5 years will get motivated to try for a 19.

Tim

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Wow, this is a pretty smokin' 200 free! Pretty impressive splits!

1 McLean, Matt SO Virginia 1:34.98 1:32.80*D1-A 20
21.85 45.39 (23.54)
1:08.86 (23.47) 1:32.80 (23.94)

Chris Stevenson
February 27th, 2009, 09:41 PM
and to bring the thread back on topic, :woot:

It does seem we hijacked Ande's thread...but it is kind of nice to have one place to talk about all the conference championships.

Maybe Ande could rename the thread...and since it was his to begin with, I'd even be willing to accept "2009 Championships of the Big 12 and lesser conferences" :)

Just looked at the ACC results for tonight...that 400 IM (3:39.33) by Gal Nevo was something else. A 1:00 split on the breaststroke leg? Sheesh. I remember when breaking the 4 minute barrier was a pretty big deal, now we have 23 guys doing it in the morning.

Kudos to Noah Copeland for his 200 free, he brought it back tough to medal in a competitive field:

1 McLean, Matt SO Virginia 1:34.98 1:32.80*D1-A 20
21.85 45.39 (23.54)
1:08.86 (23.47) 1:32.80 (23.94)
2 Robison, Scot SO Virginia 1:34.57 1:33.05*D1-A 17
21.52 45.10 (23.58)
1:09.01 (23.91) 1:33.05 (24.04)
3 Copeland, Noah SR Georgia Tech 1:35.43 1:34.75 D1-B 16
22.35 46.18 (23.83)
1:10.13 (23.95) 1:34.75 (24.62)
4 Hodgson, Andy JR Florida St. 1:35.20 1:34.80 D1-B 15
21.66 45.64 (23.98)
1:10.05 (24.41) 1:34.80 (24.75)

I bet the 400 MR race between UVa and FSU was exciting to watch:

1 Virginia 3:15.55 3:08.71*D1-B 40
1) Olesen, Eric JR 2) Hurley, Ryan SR
3) Robertson, Lee SR 4) Robison, Scot SO
22.63 46.89 (46.89)
1:11.94 (25.05) 1:40.31 (53.42)
2:01.21 (20.90) 2:26.49 (46.18)
2:46.14 (19.65) 3:08.71 (42.22)
2 Florida St. 3:13.82 3:08.89*D1-B 34
1) Hodgson, Andy JR 2) Thacker, Scott JR
3) Botha, Jarryd SR 4) Denton, Ed SR
22.72 47.31 (47.31)
1:11.64 (24.33) 1:40.10 (52.79)
2:00.68 (20.58) 2:25.74 (45.64)
2:45.57 (19.83) 3:08.89 (43.15)

Iwannafly
February 27th, 2009, 09:54 PM
And Scott Thacker from FSU is one of the local products I've been following! 52.79 is a pretty impressive br leg!

Magruder has some big shoes to fill. He's got a long way to go to break team or conference or Big 12 champ records!!!

Maui Mike
February 28th, 2009, 07:03 AM
[quote=Chris Stevenson;172131].
I remember when breaking the 4 minute barrier was a pretty big deal, now we have 23 guys doing it in the morning.

I believe it was Gary Hall swimming in the NCAA meet in 1973 who first went under 4:00 in the 400IM. Later in the meet he anchored Indiana's 800 relay, chasing down USC's Frank Heckle. Hall touched him out as both teams shattered the NCAA record. Mark Spitz was so excited he jumped into the pool!!! BEEEP!!!! DQ Indiana!!! There were still teams that hadn't finished the race. Oops.

Frank Thompson
February 28th, 2009, 12:11 PM
[quote=Chris Stevenson;172131].
I remember when breaking the 4 minute barrier was a pretty big deal, now we have 23 guys doing it in the morning.

I believe it was Gary Hall swimming in the NCAA meet in 1973 who first went under 4:00 in the 400IM. Later in the meet he anchored Indiana's 800 relay, chasing down USC's Frank Heckle. Hall touched him out as both teams shattered the NCAA record. Mark Spitz was so excited he jumped into the pool!!! BEEEP!!!! DQ Indiana!!! There were still teams that hadn't finished the race. Oops.

These statements are only partially true. In 1973, Steve Furniss of USC won the 400 IM and he broke the American Record of 3:58.09 by Gary Hall with a time of 3:55.16 and Gary Hall did not even swim the event. He swam the 100 Fly, 200 Fly which he won, and the 200 IM in which he got second to Steve Furniss. I remember this well because I was at the meet and saw the performances at the University of Tennessee. Mark Spitz was not at this meet because he graduated in 1972 and retired from swimming after the 1972 Olympics.

At the 1972 NCAA Championships at West Point, Gary Hall won but went faster with the 3:58.09 at the AAU Nationals in Dallas a couple of weeks later. At the 1972 NCAA Championships it was the first time that 3 swimmers went under the 4 minute barrier in the Championship final. Gary Hall was first with a 3:58.71 and second was Steve Furniss at 3:58.82 and third was Rick Colella at 3:59.61.

The first time the 4 minute barrier was broken in the 400 IM was in 1969 when Gary Hall was a High School senior and he swam a 3:59.70 to shatter the US Open Record of Hans Fassnacht of 4:07.70 set at the 1969 NCAA Championships. These efforts helped him win the Swimmer of the Year Award in 1969. The next year, the NCAA Championships were in Utah at altitude and Hall managed to swim a 4:07.31 to break the NCAA Record. The next year in 1971, he swam a 3:58.25 to break his record that he set back in High School.

The 800 Free Relay you are referring to was in 1971 and not 1972 or 1973. In 1972 USC won with Jim McConica going the anchor leg against Gary Hall and USC won 6:38.63 to Indiana second place time of 6:40.13 and in 1973 the roles were reversed with Indiana winning with a time of 6:36.39 to USC second place time of 6:39.44 and Gary Hall swam against Jim McConica again but I am not sure of the splits for both swimmers.

The 800 Free Relay disqualification you are referring to was at the 1971 NCAA Championships at Iowa State. It was not Mark Spitz but John Kinsella that jumped in the pool to congratulate Hall before the other competitors finished the race. Both teams broke the American Record by 9 seconds but Indiana was disqualified and it didn't not count. If it would have counted, Gary Hall would have had the fastest split at that time for a 200 Free in an 800 Relay.

Chris Stevenson
February 28th, 2009, 09:13 PM
ACCs
Matt McLean: 14:35.12 in the mile. Top four finishers all made the A-cut.

Kudos to Noah Copeland who medaled again, this time in the 100 free

1 Robison, Scot SO Virginia 42.94 43.14 D1-B 20
20.37 43.14 (22.77)
2 Botha, Jarryd SR Florida St. 43.59 43.28 D1-B 17
20.49 43.28 (22.79)
3 Copeland, Noah SR Georgia Tech 43.58 43.33 D1-B 16
20.69 43.33 (22.64)

UVa has a commanding lead overall; UNC has snuck by Ga Tech into third, up 34 pts going into the final relays.

Though I naturally don't like that Virginia is winning, what I do like is that they are doing it with a strong distance corp (they went 1-2 in the mile, and took 4 of the top 5 places in the 500) rather than going with the conventional wisdom that tends to devalue distance guys in college, saying you need to win with sprinters (their sprinters aren't shabby either, but not really their forte).

USMSarah
February 28th, 2009, 10:11 PM
I didn't know that Pablo Morales was coaching at Nebraska?! How cool is that!

Maui Mike
March 1st, 2009, 11:23 AM
Frank Thompson

I was at that meet where the DQ occurred and remember it clearly, but obviously my memory sucks!

Herb
March 1st, 2009, 09:46 PM
The Big Ten Network's coverage of the women's championship was horrible!

tjrpatt
March 2nd, 2009, 08:56 AM
The Big Ten Network's coverage of the women's championship was horrible!

Yeah, I turned it off after 30 minutes. The vantage point was very bad.

That Guy
March 2nd, 2009, 10:10 AM
I watched some of the Sunday ECAC sessions. There was a video/audio stream, Java scoreboard, and online heat sheets. Whoever was running the meet (Osterber?) did a good job! :agree:

osterber
March 2nd, 2009, 02:41 PM
I watched some of the Sunday ECAC sessions. There was a video/audio stream, Java scoreboard, and online heat sheets. Whoever was running the meet (Osterber?) did a good job! :agree:

That was me at ECACs. We also had a real-time diving scoreboard with dive-by-dive and judge-by-judge reporting of each diving event for our diving fans. People were starting to point out that we're at the point that you sometimes get more and better information at home than you do at the pool.

-Rick

justforfun
March 2nd, 2009, 02:58 PM
Does anyone know: Is Matt McLean the younger brother of Mike McLean, the former Stanford swimmer who was erased from the all-time list in the Stanford media gude a few years back?

smontanaro
March 2nd, 2009, 03:13 PM
... Mike McLean, the former Stanford swimmer who was erased from the all-time list in the Stanford media guide ...

The way you phrased that makes me think there's a story to be told.

justforfun
March 2nd, 2009, 03:25 PM
The way you phrased that makes me think there's a story to be told.

Skip Kenney served a suspension over the following incident:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/09/STANFORDSWIM.TMP

Iwannafly
March 2nd, 2009, 05:02 PM
According to the Stanford Athletics' website, Michael's parents names are Michael and Diane. UVa's Athletics' website lists Matt's parents as Duncan and Anne. Although the Stanford grad does have a younger brother named Matt who should be the same age. Plus, one is from Virginia and the other is from Connecticut (the middle C is silent)!


Parents are Michael and Diane McLean ... Has one sister, Megan (19) who swims at Bowdoin College, and one brother, Matt (15) who swims at Simsbury High School

justforfun
March 3rd, 2009, 09:33 AM
Hmmm...seems like that much swimming talent is likely to be from the same family.

Frank Thompson
March 3rd, 2009, 06:37 PM
Frank Thompson

I was at that meet where the DQ occurred and remember it clearly, but obviously my memory sucks!

Actually your memory is good. I went back looked at the results of the 1971 NCAA Championships and found out that Mark Spitz did indeed jump in the pool after the relay but it was after John Kinsella jumped in and he was the first one to do it and that is what I remember. Both swimmers realized that the third place team had not finished because they were almost a 25 behind at over 12 seconds and even though both swimmers jumped in and jumped out in almost the same instant and did not interfere with the other lanes finishes and no collision to the opposing team did not matter, they were immediately disqualified and USC won the race and set the record. Both teams went 10 seconds faster than the previous record.

USC actually won the race and Frank Heckel held on to the lead that his swimmers got him in the relay and touched out Gary Hall at the finish by the hundredths of a second. The DQ not only lost Indiana 26 points but nullified the 200 Free swim of Gary Hall of 1:38.37 which would have been the fastest split by a second over what anyone had done previous to that point. This swim happened just 15 minutes after he swam the 400 IM and set an NCAA/American record and won by 5 seconds. What else is interesting is that he went out in :46.74 which at that time was an unheard of split and many feel that he even would have gone faster if he had not done the 400 IM earlier.

At that meet and the two years previous, Gary Hall was the greatest swimmer in the world and Mark Spitz did not become the equal of Hall until the summer of 1971 when he became the first swimmer to win four National titles at one meet in Houston. At the meet Hall split the fastest 100 Fly ever in the 400 Medley at :47.70 and Mark Spitz won the 100 Fly at :49.42 in the individual event. Gary Hall won the 200 IM, 400 IM, and 200 Back and set NCAA/American Records in each event.

Doc Counsilmen called Hall's performances the greatest in the history of swimming up to that point in time. He said he watched great swimmers for 3 decades and rates Hall's performance as Number 1. "He was in five events," Counsilman notes, "and in every one of them, he swam faster than anybody ever had before. He was fantasic."

That Guy
March 3rd, 2009, 07:11 PM
People were starting to point out that we're at the point that you sometimes get more and better information at home than you do at the pool.

Still, when something like this happens, the video stream doesn't quite do it justice. I was half-watching, probably reading something else at the same time, and then had a WTF moment when I looked back at the video and the scoreboard. (Great job by the woman from UNH!)

Event 317 Mixed 200 Yard Butterfly Time Trial
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Name Year School Finals
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1 Robinson, Andrew FR Fairfield 1:58.87
r:+0.67 25.90 55.65 (29.75) 1:26.21 (30.56) 1:58.87 (32.66)
2 Fowler, Mattie JR UNH 2:04.42
r:+0.80 28.23 59.78 (31.55) 1:32.20 (32.42) 2:04.42 (32.22)
3 Miller, Scott FR Loyola 2:04.81
26.46 56.76 (30.30) 1:30.21 (33.45) 2:04.81 (34.60)

http://www.collegeswimming.com/meet/10962/

Maui Mike
March 3rd, 2009, 10:53 PM
[quote=Frank Thompson;172532]Actually your memory is good.

Thanks for reposting on that subject, it was a shock for me to hear that I was so totally wrong on a story I thought I had down pretty good. You are the Supreme Swimming FactChecker and it seems the only thing I got wrong was the year -- for some reason I was thinking it was after the '72 Games.

One question, how do you do it?

Frank Thompson
March 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM
[quote=Frank Thompson;172532]Actually your memory is good.

Thanks for reposting on that subject, it was a shock for me to hear that I was so totally wrong on a story I thought I had down pretty good. You are the Supreme Swimming FactChecker and it seems the only thing I got wrong was the year -- for some reason I was thinking it was after the '72 Games.

One question, how do you do it?

Actually 1971 was the year I retired from competitive swimming. I only swam half of my first year in college. I pretty much followed the sport of swimming a lot from 1964 to about 1976, and I happen to have a good memory for these kind of things. The 1971 NCAA meet was probably one of the best swam meets of that year and it was a preview to what the 1972 Olympics would be. I went to a talk given by Doc Counsilman in 1989, and I remember he used the 1971 NCAA 800 Free Relay as a way to explain how to turn a negative situation into a positive situation in a Championship meet.

The 800 Free Relay qualified first in the prelims and broke the NCAA/American Record by 2/3 of a second and they were swimming just to get into the finals. Gary Hall did not swim prelims because of the 400 IM and having to do it twice before the 800 Free Relay. USC were the defending NCAA Champions and they qualified about 4 seconds behind Indiana. Earlier in the meet, USC went 1-2-4 in the 200 Free Final with Jim McConica winning the event. John Kinsella got 3rd in the event so this was going to be the Relay to watch at the meet.

Gary Hall swam in the final and had that tremendous split but it was not enough to catch USC. When the relay was DQ for the infraction, John Kinsella felt real bad and took total blame. Cousilmen said "don't worry about it" and "its no big deal because we are up by 74 points instead of 100." He also said tomorrow is another day and you know what to do. John Kinsella responded and swam probably at that time the most dominating 1650 Free ever. He won by 27 seconds and just about lapped everyone in the race. He lowered his American Record by 9 seconds. This was the positive that came after the negative.

The three swimmers on the DQ relay without Hall represented the USA in 1972 at the Olympics and won the gold medal in World Record time. The 3 swimmers were Gary Conelly, John Kinsella, and of course Mark Spitz.

Stevepowell
March 4th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Some clips from the Big 10 Championship prelims.

Build up to first race, 500 Free:
Led Zep "When the Levee Breaks"
YouTube - CLIP0089

500 Free first 100
YouTube - CLIP0091

200 IM
YouTube - CLIP0098

50 Free
YouTube - CLIP0099

50 Free three way swimoff!
YouTube - CLIP0104

knelson
March 4th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Still, when something like this happens, the video stream doesn't quite do it justice.

3 Miller, Scott FR Loyola 2:04.81
26.46 56.76 (30.30) 1:30.21 (33.45) 2:04.81 (34.60)

You mean how bad the piano fell on this guy's back? Ouch! 56.76, 1:08.05 by 100 :)

ande
March 7th, 2009, 07:14 AM
another link to conference results

OB MENS PAC10 SWIMMING CHAMPS (http://www.socalswim.org/HTResults/2009MenPac10/) - 3/4/2009 to 3/7/2009
HOST: ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, Sanction #: 09
BELMONT PLAZA POOL, LONG BEACH CA

is this a new american record in the 100 breast

1 Dugonjic, Damir SO C A L 51.83 51.41
23.90 51.41 (27.51)

tjrpatt
March 8th, 2009, 02:19 PM
I saw the majority of the Big 12 last night on Fox Sports Net. Man, the one final heat of the 200 free was 7 Texas guys and one Texas A&M. at my college team, we only had three swimmers per individual event, I think. It was nice to see that these guys were enjoying themselves.