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SwimsWithAFist
February 27th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Can anyone tell me a positive reason for doing a double arm backstroke drill? The only thing it seems to be good at for me is hurting my shoulders, so I refuse to do it. When I think about it, I can't come up with any reason why this drill would do you any good anyway. In real backstroke, you are supposed to roll your body from side to side, right? That's a key part of the stroke. When doing a double arm recovery, you can't roll at all. So what is the point?

Whenever a coach assigns this, I just quietly do something else. If they were to try to "encourage" me to do it anyway, I'd tell them what they could do with that idea.

The Fortress
February 27th, 2009, 11:10 PM
The only thing I can think it might help correct is overreaching. Much harder to overreach when you're using both arms. That said, I never do it as a drill. I use it solely as a recovery swim after I've done something AFAP.

Don't do it if it bothers your shoulder. I can't say that there are many good backstroke drills IMHO. The roll drill is OK, I guess. Whenever I drill, it's very rarely backstroke.

smontanaro
February 27th, 2009, 11:13 PM
symmetry in the pull phase? I find it easier to mentally compare the pulls my two arms are doing when they are doing the same thing at the same time instead of alternating.

SwimsWithAFist
February 27th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Whenever I drill, it's very rarely backstroke.

The way I look at it, backstroke IS a drill. It's like freestyle, only you swim it on your back.

pwolf66
February 28th, 2009, 08:01 AM
If it's hurting your shoulders then odds are you are overreaching. Double arm backstroke drill helps to prevent overreaching by making it very difficult to overreach.

srcoyote
February 28th, 2009, 08:54 AM
The way I look at it, backstroke IS a drill. It's like freestyle, only you swim it on your back.

That's really funny. I remember the only backstroke drill I ever did in age group was the one where I pulled on the lane lines to avoid doing back stroke any more than I had to.

Thrashing Slug
February 28th, 2009, 10:58 PM
I love the double arm backstroke drill! It's easy and fun. I agree that it's good for symmetry. Another purpose is to work on feeling the catch and the underwater acceleration. At least, that's what I focus on while doing it.

Swimming fly on the back is another fun drill. Not sure how useful that is, but it's a hell of a lot easier than regular fly. I use it to observe my stroke and work on timing, without the distraction of asphyxia.

james lucas
March 1st, 2009, 02:19 AM
The drill helps some people correct some of their backstroke flaws:

- Some swimmers benefit as it helps them 'feel' and improve the early catch;
- It helps some swimmers better 'feel' the correct hand entry, helping them correct their tendency to enter the hand across the center line;
- It helps some people 'feel' the right neck, back and hip positiion and correct problems of 'posture.'
- It helps some people 'feel' how to maintain a steady kick on their back.

gobears
March 1st, 2009, 09:28 AM
I don't much like backstroke but I think double arm backstroke is a decent drill for concentrating on the acceleration past your hips at the end of the stroke. When I was coaching age-groupers, I looked at drills as a tool to concentrate on certain aspects of stroke improvement and also as something different that helps develop general coordination in the water. And it can be fun.

Actually, anything that makes a swimmer slow down and THINK about what they are doing is a little bit helpful, IMO. If double arm backstroke hurts your shoulder or irritates you, don't do it.

smontanaro
March 1st, 2009, 05:00 PM
Swimming fly on the back is another fun drill. Not sure how useful that is, but it's a hell of a lot easier than regular fly. I use it to observe my stroke and work on timing, without the distraction of asphyxia.

Sorry to veer off-subject, but that's what I feel like when swimming fly. I don't really seem to get any air. After a few strokes I'm out of oxygen... :(

Betsy
March 2nd, 2009, 10:59 AM
My coach has us do double arm back to concentrate on the finish of the stroke. I find it helpful, but I don't do it if I have sore shoulders for any reason.

Ripple
March 2nd, 2009, 11:07 AM
I don't know if it's any good for improving regular backstroke, but a physiotherapist once suggested I do it to relieve "computer back". The idea was to stretch the chest muscles and tighten up the muscles between the shoulder blades.

RogeRio
November 26th, 2011, 08:55 AM
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Ex-distance guy
November 28th, 2011, 09:16 PM
I don't overreach but I do tend to finnish deep sometimes. When I do double arm back drill I think about finishing well and clean with both arms/hands while maintaining ballance. Plus its an easy fun drill!
There are often more than just one point a swimmer can focus on during a particular drill.

OP: If you're doing it properly and it still hurts your shoulders, STOP!

Ex-distance guy
November 28th, 2011, 09:21 PM
800 meters free time: 15:30[/COLO"]800 L 15:30.98 Rogério Costa Rodrigues COSTA VERDE STYLE 08 nov 2011 PAN - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsDVNpo2oA#).98 Rogerio 45 +
COSTA VERDE STYLE
PAN AMERICAN MASTER SWIMMING
Julio Delamare Aquatic Park - 08 / 11 / 2011

[COLOR=#1c62b9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsDVNpo2oA[/COLO"]800 L 15:30.98 Rogério Costa Rodrigues COSTA VERDE STYLE 08 nov 2011 PAN - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsDVNpo2oA)

A new style addition to the four styles in competitive swimming: Green Coast Style

In 2006 the style used instinctively to save my life when I got sick at sea on the Costa Verde region, South Coast of Rio de Janeiro ([COLOR=#1c62b9]http://wikitravel.org/pt/Litoral_Sul_ (http://wikitravel.org/pt/Litoral_Sul_) (Rio_de_Janeiro).
Now I seek the approval of the style along with CBDA / FINA.
Rogrio Costa Rodrigues

Channel Rogrio Costa Verde
http://www.youtube.com/user/RogerioCostaVerde (http://www.youtube.com/user/RogerioCostaVerde)


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slow
November 28th, 2011, 10:09 PM
@RogeRio This style is interesting. Have you considered using a breaststroke kick with it? I am going to try it both ways next time I am in the pool. Thanks!

swimshark
November 29th, 2011, 06:44 AM
I also find it hurts my shoulders if I do it too fast. The drill means you can't rotate the body as normal, which can cause shoulder strain. We do it occasionally as a drill but I'll switch to "pinky, thumb pinky" instead. Most of the time we use it as a recovery swim, which means I switch to regular back.

tjburk
November 30th, 2011, 11:32 AM
I agree with Leslie here...I used to use this when someone had overreaching problems and to help with the feel of the push past the hips.

If it causes pain...don't do it.

ande
November 30th, 2011, 11:54 AM
some drills exist for the sake of doing the drill
I think drills should help swimmers swim faster.
If they don't, why do em?

use training time productively

slow
December 6th, 2011, 05:27 PM
[QUOTE=slow;255723]@RogeRio This style is interesting....QUOTE]

I did 300 yards of it today in between my primary sets. I think I might like it over regular backstroke if I have problems in open water. I need to try it a few more times to get used to it.

RogeRio
March 25th, 2012, 02:05 AM
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Redbird Alum
March 26th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Rogerio -

Interesting, but I doubt FINA will take this up as a "new" stroke.
Thanks for the video.

orca1946
March 26th, 2012, 11:42 AM
We, as a team, have never done this drill. I guess I will try it to see how it feels & if indeed makes me think about the hand finish.

fatboy
March 26th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Rogerio -

Interesting, but I doubt FINA will take this up as a "new" stroke.
Thanks for the video.

Matt
I think this qualifies as a legal backstsroke, so no new stroke is needed. What do you think?

Allen Stark
March 26th, 2012, 07:02 PM
Matt
I think this qualifies as a legal backstsroke, so no new stroke is needed. What do you think?
Yes it is legal in BK and I have seen it used in meets.

Redbird Alum
March 27th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Matt
I think this qualifies as a legal backstsroke, so no new stroke is needed. What do you think?

Agreed - it is covered under the existing backstroke rules. That is why I told Rogerio it is unlikely to be considered as a "new" stroke.

orca1946
March 27th, 2012, 06:46 PM
OK I tried this last night & I found myself doing fly kick without thinking about it. Still seems kinda weird!!

Stevepowell
April 2nd, 2012, 11:15 AM
Since I can see my knees doing Double arm back it helps practicing breast kick.