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qbrain
March 2nd, 2009, 01:07 PM
My goal this weekend was to see where I was in the 200fr before zones. I would like comments on my 200 time and splits based on my other times at the meet.

The meet went 500fr, 100fr, 50fr, 200fr fairly evenly split over a 3 hour meet. I wanted to get 200 time from my 500, but I ended up eating my goggles on the start, so I swam cruise 200, 200 back ez, 100 fr just not to get last. My 200 time stopping to put my goggles one was 2:19, but I don't think that means much.

100fr: 55.86
splits: 27.42, 28.44

50fr: 25.30

200fr: 2:04.54
100 splits: 1:00.04, 1:04.50
50 splits: 28.61, 31.43, 32.41, 32.09

I will comment on what I think of my times in another post. I am interested in all comments and criticisms. Something that is painfully obvious to you will be something I did not think of.

FlyQueen
March 2nd, 2009, 01:53 PM
My goal this weekend was to see where I was in the 200fr before zones. I would like comments on my 200 time and splits based on my other times at the meet.

The meet went 500fr, 100fr, 50fr, 200fr fairly evenly split over a 3 hour meet. I wanted to get 200 time from my 500, but I ended up eating my goggles on the start, so I swam cruise 200, 200 back ez, 100 fr just not to get last. My 200 time stopping to put my goggles one was 2:19, but I don't think that means much.

100fr: 55.86
splits: 27.42, 28.44

50fr: 25.30

200fr: 2:04.54
100 splits: 1:00.04, 1:04.50
50 splits: 28.61, 31.43, 32.41, 32.09

I will comment on what I think of my times in another post. I am interested in all comments and criticisms. Something that is painfully obvious to you will be something I did not think of.



Your splits on your 100 free are really close - which is good. I'd like to see what would happen if you took out a tad faster .5-1.0

I think your 200 splits are okay - you want the 2nd, 3rd and 4th 50s a little bit closer. I wonder if you back off of the opening 50 by a hair if you'd have a little more juice to hold the last 3 50s at the same pace. A second drop off between 2 and 3 is very common BUT you want them closer. Do you think you can push a bit more on the 3rd 50 or is that all you got? My best 200s (and I am most certainly a drop dead sprinter) have all been surprisingly well split - usually I feel like I want to die or crawl out by the 150 and think I might spend a minute on it - but the adreneline or training or whatever gets me through it.

Speedo
March 2nd, 2009, 04:24 PM
Agree w/ flyqueen. I don't know how you train, but based on your 50 free time, I'd think you'd be doing yourself a favor splitting mid-26 in the first 50 of the 100 free. All out on the 3rd 25 and bring it back with whatever is left.

I think your split distribution for the 200 are good. In the last 200 I did, 2 weeks ago, the first 50 was about 3sec faster than the second (same as you), and the last 3 50s were within 0.26 of each other. That race felt *fantastic* and I had just enough at the end to outtouch someone. So that's probably how I will try to swim the next 200, but I'm more of a sprinter and am still trying to figure out the 200. :2cents:

hofffam
March 2nd, 2009, 05:45 PM
I think the 200 splits are really pretty good. I would be happy with them. The last 3 are pretty similar. Could probably push the 3rd 50 a bit more but overall this is a good effort.

The 100 splits are too close together. Most short course 100 guys will swim the two 50s 1.5-2 secs apart - not one second. So that means go out a bit faster.

chowmi
March 3rd, 2009, 09:59 AM
I'd like to brag a bit about qbrain's swims. They are totally awesome.

The heater at the pool was not on for the first 2 hours. Apparently the switch is in a locked room and so no heat and 51 degrees as someone told me. I can't believe it was that cold, but it was cold. I put on every layer I brought, including my coveted After Meet Dry Clothing!!

It was so cold many people blew off the mid-meet warm up which was right before the 100 free. So I think qbrain's 100 free was very strong. The 50 free would have been the most ideal swim, and just to explain this meet's dynamic, the 200 free is the 2nd to last event and everyone is wiped out, blowing it off, or gone by then! So those 200 free splits were very solid!

pwolf66
March 3rd, 2009, 12:49 PM
My goal this weekend was to see where I was in the 200fr before zones. I would like comments on my 200 time and splits based on my other times at the meet.

100fr: 55.86
splits: 27.42, 28.44

50fr: 25.30

200fr: 2:04.54
100 splits: 1:00.04, 1:04.50
50 splits: 28.61, 31.43, 32.41, 32.09


Compared to your 50 free, your front 50 of the 100 split looks a little slow. As FlyQueen suggested, take the front 50 out a little faster. Front 50 of a 100 should be 1-1.5 sec slower than your best 50. Which considering the split is to your feet, means that the front 50 should at about 95-98% of your sprint 50. Then hammer the last 25 with a huge kick and hold on the last 25.

200 splits look decent but it looks like you float up a little too much on the 3rd 50. But what do I know?

Wolf, Paul R 2:03.44 28.01/31.18/32.30/31.95

Focus on holding your streamlines as tight as you can off every turn. Maximize the free speed from those 7 turns. Yeah, you need air but an additional 1-2 seconds ain't gonna kill ya :banana:

Or maybe it might?

bergsteiger
March 3rd, 2009, 01:13 PM
This is a great post. Had no idea about what target times should be for 100/200 splits based off your 50 time.

qbrain
March 3rd, 2009, 03:23 PM
100fr: 55.86
splits: 27.42, 28.44

50fr: 25.30

200fr: 2:04.54
100 splits: 1:00.04, 1:04.50
50 splits: 28.61, 31.43, 32.41, 32.09


Here is my self analysis.

I took the 200 out a little slow and let it drop off way too much. The last 3 50s should have been split evenly. To put numbers to it, take the 50 out in a 27 high and the remaining 50s 29 high resulting in a 1:57 mid.

Not taking the initial 50 out fast enough is a mistake that results from not enough practice racing. The 200 would be split better if more time was spent splitting the 200 correctly in practice. Finally, my conditioning is lacking and thus I did not have the energy to swim a solid 200 at the end of the meet.

qbrain
March 3rd, 2009, 03:41 PM
I'd like to brag a bit about qbrain's swims. They are totally awesome.

The heater at the pool was not on for the first 2 hours. Apparently the switch is in a locked room and so no heat and 51 degrees as someone told me. I can't believe it was that cold, but it was cold. I put on every layer I brought, including my coveted After Meet Dry Clothing!!

It was so cold many people blew off the mid-meet warm up which was right before the 100 free. So I think qbrain's 100 free was very strong. The 50 free would have been the most ideal swim, and just to explain this meet's dynamic, the 200 free is the 2nd to last event and everyone is wiped out, blowing it off, or gone by then! So those 200 free splits were very solid!

Michelle is the very first live forum member I got to meet, and it was very cool to meet her. She is also very fast and swims without any splash.

The meet was freezing cold, it is not an ideal racing pool, and so many people scratched the 200 that I was almost swimming alone in my heat.

Given that, I think it is fair to analyze my 200 internally and in comparison to my other swims that day.

Good suggestions on the 100. I will take it out faster at Zones, especially since it is not on the same day as the 200.

As for the 200, I want to see the last 3 50s closer together, and Paul, that is a good suggestion on the streamlines. In full sprint mode, I tend to surface like a rocket, and I don't mean fast, I mean straight up. I will spend a lot of focus before Zones on my walls.

Thanks.