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Dario Tirado
March 11th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Looks like we might know the details in the next few days. Should be interesting.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The head of swimming's governing body predicted Wednesday "a step forward" in rules governing high-performance suits used in setting more than 100 world records in the past year.

FINA president Mustapha Larfaoui gave no details of decisions that could be made during a three-day executive meeting beginning Thursday, but his comments suggested that the organization would follow through with recommendations last month to place limits that include suits' thickness and buoyancy...

Article (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/news/story?id=3970157)

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 11:40 AM
Looks like we might know the details in the next few days. Should be interesting.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The head of swimming's governing body predicted Wednesday "a step forward" in rules governing high-performance suits used in setting more than 100 world records in the past year.

FINA president Mustapha Larfaoui gave no details of decisions that could be made during a three-day executive meeting beginning Thursday, but his comments suggested that the organization would follow through with recommendations last month to place limits that include suits' thickness and buoyancy...

Article (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/news/story?id=3970157)

My advice to FINA: Everyone at the meeting should just TIVO back to the late 70s and 80s before the big can of worms regarding "suit technology" got opened up.

Dolphin 2

Chris Stevenson
March 12th, 2009, 01:07 PM
Everyone at the meeting should just TIVO back to the late 70s and 80s

Before TiVo, you mean? You anti-tech types are so selective in your prejudices...

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 02:55 PM
Before TiVo, you mean? You anti-tech types are so selective in your prejudices...

These suits are just a glorified girdle or corsett and calling them "technology" is stretching things a wee bit.

If we're going to that extreme in glorifying things like these suits as "technology", Playtex girdles should be listed on the NASDAQ. :bouncing:

Dolphin 2

Karen Duggan
March 12th, 2009, 03:00 PM
technology- 1. the use of scientific knowledge to solve practical problems, esp. in industry and commerce. 2. The methods and materials used to solve practical problems.

Yep, the tech suit qualifies.

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 03:24 PM
technology- 1. the use of scientific knowledge to solve practical problems, esp. in industry and commerce. 2. The methods and materials used to solve practical problems.

Yep, the tech suit qualifies.

You can use academic "Literalspeak" reasoning such invoking the technical definition of much overused words, but that doesn't change the real issue in this discussion. :blah:

However, if glorifying your overhyped, over-priced swim suit gives you a warm feeling of confidence and contentment, then maybe ignorant bliss is in fact a good thing afterall. :2cents:

Dolphin 2

thewookiee
March 12th, 2009, 03:36 PM
...doesn't change the real issue in this dicussion. :blah:



Dolphin 2

That you can't spell "discussion" or that you don't have a freaking clue about competitive swimming?

Karen Duggan
March 12th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Galen- What the hell are you talking about?

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 03:53 PM
That you can't spell "discussion" or that you don't have a freaking clue about competitive swimming?

Hey thewookiee:
There are a lot of people on this board who don't use correct grammar (or use the ENTER key to space paragraphs so everything isn't run on) so my occasional sin of mispselling doesn't amount to that much. :bitching:

By the way, can a new method of ripping off consumers (and creating a whole new class of suckers) be considered a form of “technology”?

If you look at the literal effect, paying out over $400 for an LZR definitely makes your wallet lighter and that contributes to the fuel efficiency of cars and planes.

By the reasoning above, sub-prime mortgages, worthless securities, toxic assets, and over hyped and over priced swim suits may in fact qualify as a new form of technology!!!

Dolphin 2

thewookiee
March 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Galen- What the hell are you talking about?

Karen,

Your previous post flushed his gripes about the suits down the drain. Now, he is just ranting to rant. He doesn't understand the side of competitive swimming, so he makes pointless comments that have no backing.

Karen Duggan
March 12th, 2009, 03:59 PM
Technology is what it is. You can't just apply it to some things and not to others. Sorry, but the suit is new technology.

And back in the day (WAY back in Mesopotamia), the wheel was new technology. But then I guess you'd rather still be carrying all of your "stuff" on your back and hoofin' it. With your poor reasoning you'd argue the wheel wasn't technology either.

thewookiee
March 12th, 2009, 04:15 PM
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Hey thewookiee:
There are a lot of people on this board who don't use correct grammar (or use the ENTER key to space paragraphs so everything isn't run on) so my occasional sin of mispselling doesn't amount to that much. :bitching:

By the way, can a new method of ripping off consumers (and creating a whole new class of suckers) be considered a form of “technology”?

If you look at the literal effect, paying out over $400 for an LZR definitely makes your wallet lighter and that contributes to the fuel efficiency of cars and planes.

By the reasoning above, sub-prime mortgages, worthless securities, toxic assets, and over hyped and over priced swim suits may in fact qualify as a new form of technology!!!

Dolphin 2

No, it's not a sin, but it is fun to bust on you when you screw-up. Which, on your reasonings against tech suits, is all the time.

The suits are not ripping off customers that use them. If the customer uses the suit and enjoys using them, then they aren't being ripped off.

Now say it this with me "com·pet·i·tive swimming" Do you understand the words? No,that's ok, maybe one day you will be able too. Then your opinion on tech suits will be based on trying out "com·pet·i·tive swimming"

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Karen,

Your previous post flushed his gripes about the suits down the drain. Now, he is just ranting to rant. He doesn't understand the side of competitive swimming, so he makes pointless comments that have no backing.

Hey thewookiee
Using a so called low drag suit to purportedly swim faster is not competitive swimming, it's competitive spending.

In the old school of thinking, this kind of fad was called "Keeping up with the Joneses".

Dolphin 2

aquageek
March 12th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Dumplin' 2 - I have yet to understand your obsession with the tech suits. You don't swim, you don't compete, you don't have children who swim or compete. What is your great concern with this since it has absolutely no impact on your life? For those of us that do swim, it is something we enjoy. What is your issue with us enjoying the sport that you don't participate in?

Also, you have never answered the question about the USMS team you "assist" with - please answer. Initials and location will suffice.

Sports has always been about keeping up with the Joneses, do you really think you are breaking new ground with that logic?

Karen Duggan
March 12th, 2009, 04:23 PM
I'm officially changing my name to Karen Jones. Now I'll be another cliche as I'll be trying to keep up with myself!

thewookiee
March 12th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Hey thewookiee
Using a so called low drag suit to purportedly swim faster is not competitive swimming, it's competitive spending.


Dolphin 2

Actually, it is competitive swimming. The suit of choice for a swimmer, is just one of the many things that goes into that swimmers preparing for a meet. But since you only noodle around a pool, we shouldn't expect you to understand what goes into preparing for races.

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 04:50 PM
Pardon me for igniting everyone again, but I think all of you who get so bent outa shape over criticism of the suit fad are a way bit toooooo sensitive. :argue:

By the way, note my new "service mark". :D

Dolphin 2
"The Rush Limbaugh of the USMS Discussion board"

pwolf66
March 12th, 2009, 05:06 PM
(or use the ENTER key to space paragraphs so everything isn't run on) so my occasional sin of mispselling doesn't amount to that much. :bitching:


Since I'm pretty sure that paragraph dig is directed at me, here's my response since not only are you clueless on swimming, you are apparently clueless on grammar.

par·a·graph http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/t/pron.jpg (http://education.yahoo.com/ref/dictionary/audio/p/0058700.wav;_ylt=Angjsbpf4DacWCbN7vtN.TOugMMF) (phttp://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.gifrhttp://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/prime.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/schwa.gif-grhttp://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.giffhttp://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/lprime.gif) KEY (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/pronunciation_key;_ylt=Apw.bhbHvxFzLamNigp2KaaugMM F)

NOUN:


A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.

A single sentence MAY be a paragraph but it's not a requirement that each sentence be a paragraph. Once again you need to get a friggin clue.

What you fail to realize and/or acknowledge is that no one argues that tech suits are expensive or that they have a limited useful life. But what you just seem to not get is that you have NO RIGHT to impose YOUR value system on me or anyone else. If you don't think they are worth the expense, so be it. But to try to equate tech suits with negative aspects of the economic woes is just....well....typical you as evidenced in your below comment.



By the reasoning above, sub-prime mortgages, worthless securities, toxic assets, and over hyped and over priced swim suits may in fact qualify as a new form of technology!!!




Pardon me for igniting everyone again, but I think all of you who get so bent outa shape over criticism of the suit fad are a way bit toooooo sensitive. :argue:

By the way, note my new "service mark". :D


If all you did was just 'criticize' then I doubt anyone would care. It's your holier than thou jusdgements from on high that set my teeth on edge. Plus the sad fact is that you just seem to get off on being a Troll.

Speedo
March 12th, 2009, 05:12 PM
By the way, note my new "service mark". :D

Dolphin 2
"The Rush Limbaugh of the USMS Discussion board"
Appropriate, given the cover of Newsweek.

Dolphin 2
March 12th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Hey pwolf66:
I didn't mention any names, but it looks like I "Hit a nerve" with someone who might have had a guilty conscience.

Sorry for "Smoking you out" anyway.

Dolphin 2
"The Rush Limbaugh of the USMS Discussion Board"

Karen Duggan
March 12th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I actually enjoy listening to Rush as he is an educated man.
It's the uneducated and uninformed (by choice) that I ignore.

Galen- I'm not bent out of shape, getting in shape maybe.
Trip trap trip trap.

pwolf66
March 12th, 2009, 07:31 PM
Hey pwolf66:
I didn't mention any names, but it looks like I "Hit a nerve" with someone who might have had a guilty conscience.

Sorry for "Smoking you out" anyway.

Guilty conscience? Seriously, are you for real? Don't give yourself that much credit. No really, don't.

Did you comprehend the definition of the word 'paragraph'? Because I seem to remember your whining that one of my posts needed paragraphs because I put two related sentences together.

BTW, those were 2 related sentences so there was no need for a paragraph.

Hey, since you don't have anything better to do, why don't you drive down to Fresno the weekend of May 10th. I'll even buy you a beer. Oh that's right, you ride a 1962 Schwinn as a protest against those horrible technological advances called automobiles.

orca1946
March 12th, 2009, 07:41 PM
WOW1 I'm outa here!:bolt:

aquageek
March 12th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Hulk makes a good point, D2. You should go to Fresno so you can experience swimming, it might open your eyes a bit.

thewookiee
March 12th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Hulk makes a good point, D2. You should go to Fresno so you can experience swimming, it might open your eyes a bit.

Naw, he would have to put up with too many modern things to get there. He would whine the whole time about advancements in life.

Glider
March 14th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Fixed.



By the way, note my new "service mark". :D

Dolphin 2
"The Troll of the USMS Discussion board"

Michelina
March 14th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Hey kids.... the meeting notes have been posted on FINA

http://www.fina.org/project/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2192&Itemid=107

I guess we now have to wait for the

"LIST OF APPROVED MODELS: FINA will publish a list of approved models. The publication is without prejudice to the fact that criteria and conditions of approval must be effectively met by products in use."