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ande
April 7th, 2009, 10:32 AM
Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/20851.asp)

MALAGA, Spain, April 5. DURING the final day of competition at the 2009 Spanish Open Championships, Rafael Munoz took down the long course world record in the men's 50 fly.

Munoz clocked a 22.43 in the sprint event to shoot down Roland Schoeman's record of 22.96 set in 2005.

Additionally, Munoz clocked a sterling time of 50.58 in the men's 100 fly to set the European record and come up just short of Ian Crocker's world-record time of 50.40 set at the same meet as Schoeman.

YouTube - 50 Mariposa/50 Butterfly Rafael Muñoz World Record

100 fly
YouTube - 100 Mariposa Record Europa Rafael Muñoz

Word is he wore the Jaked suit Auburn Swimmers wore at NCAAs

knelson
April 7th, 2009, 10:53 AM
Wow. Munoz was born in 1988 so he's either 20 or 21.

Sam Perry
April 7th, 2009, 11:12 AM
If you study his progression, it looks very fishy (no pun intended) to me. He broke a 50 WR by about 1/2 second. His times from last summer are about 2.5 seconds slower in the 100 than they were this year. It just don't look right.

quicksilver
April 7th, 2009, 11:21 AM
There's been some discussion regarding the new Jaked suits (and others like them).


http://scaq.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-splish-speedsuit-details-at-kast.html

I like the comment about the masters swimmer who was going :51 for the 100 free...and with the suit he went a :46.

knelson
April 7th, 2009, 11:35 AM
His times from last summer are about 2.5 seconds slower in the 100 than they were this year. It just don't look right.

Actually he was ranked 26th last year in the 100 fly LC with a 52.09. That's only 1.51 slower than his time this year. A kid that age making that kind of improvement in a year (and it was a year, the 2008 time was done in March) doesn't seem that fishy to me, especially if the new suit is that fast.

For comparison, Ian Crocker (born August 1982) swam a 52.21 in 2002 and a 50.98 in 2003.

ande
April 7th, 2009, 08:24 PM
added youtube links


YouTube - 50 Mariposa/50 Butterfly Rafael Muñoz World Record

100 fly
YouTube - 100 Mariposa Record Europa Rafael Muñoz

rtodd
April 7th, 2009, 09:19 PM
Scintilating. For some reason the 50 looked more impressive.

His finish was perfect. Do elite flyers know exact number of strokes? Do they look and make adjustments coming into the wall? Do they get lucky?

Paul Smith
April 7th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Auburn's (Euro) backstroker who barely qualified for NCAA's (1:45) in the 200 put the same suit on and goes 1:40+ at NCAA's. I spoke to a number of people who were there...these things are taking the LZR/B70 controversy to a new level. $5 says they will be banned by years end.

* I also heard it took 4 guys assisting to get the thing on.

rtodd
April 7th, 2009, 09:33 PM
http://www.jaked.it/index_eng.html

Paul,

Why would it get banned? Isn't it just another suit? Maybe it is strong enough that you can wear a tighter one without it ripping. Maybe this is the advantage.

Allen Stark
April 7th, 2009, 09:37 PM
http://www.jaked.it/index_eng.html

Paul,

Why would it get banned? Isn't it just another suit? Maybe it is strong enough that you can wear a tighter one without it ripping. Maybe this is the advantage.

It looks like it won't pass the 50% permeability rule come 1/1/10

knelson
April 7th, 2009, 11:53 PM
The most amazing thing about those swims is how rinky-dink the facility looks! If you didn't realize how fast the swims were you'd think someone posted races from their local masters meet.

I think Craig Lord made a good point about these swims:

Under normal circumstances this would be a moment to go "wow" but these are not normal circumstances: the sport belongs to suits right now - and the performance and achievement of Munoz, the work of his coaches, is diminished as a consequence because we cannot compare what Munoz did to what Munoz is capable of without a performance-enhancing suit, nor to what Schoeman did, nor Welsh, nor Crocker, nor any of those others on the top 10 list and beyond. That it not being unfair to Munoz - it is just where the sport is right now at this transitory moment in swimming history.

See http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/6771

Probably more people today know someone wearing a Jaked suit shattered the 50 fly WR than know Munoz's name. The suits really are overshadowing the swimmers.

Charge
April 8th, 2009, 12:20 AM
Could they not get someone athletic to model for them?

http://www.jaked.it/scheda_prodotti_j01/scheda_fml_eng.html

chowmi
April 8th, 2009, 09:48 AM
Could they not get someone athletic to model for them?

http://www.jaked.it/scheda_prodotti_j01/scheda_fml_eng.html

I was thinking the same thing! Check out the woman model! If it made me look like that, I wouldn't even try it on! And the bag? What's with that? Does it make you pack faster???

Is this suit currently allowed for USA and USMS?

quicksilver
April 8th, 2009, 10:25 AM
Why would it get banned?This thing totally looks like a wetsuit. The jargon on their site it basically uses a clever description to say otherwise. Polyurethane...no seams

Maybe the everyday average models are a ploy to throw FINA off track. :)

3strokes
April 8th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Scintilating. For some reason the 50 looked more impressive.

His finish was perfect. Do elite flyers know exact number of strokes? Do they look and make adjustments coming into the wall? Do they get lucky?

His finishes in both races were impressive. Up to the 20m or 70m mark he was almost level with the competition and then he seemed to just accelerate "a la Phelps".

N.B. The 100 was a bit choppy (and I have a fast Internet Connection.)

3strokes
April 8th, 2009, 04:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing! Check out the woman model! If it made me look like that, I wouldn't even try it on!


I think it has to do with your Monitor's and Computer's resolution settings. You know, "the camera adds ten pounds" but a computer can work magic
on the body fat (+ or -)