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ehoch
July 2nd, 2009, 01:24 PM
Just checked the results from the Italian Masters Championships -- interesting to see a different "population curve". I looked at the 50 Free and the participation in the younger age groups is massive. They had over 100 swimmers in all the younger age groups and then it tapers off starting at about 45 years of age. But 142 swimmers competing (Men) in the 30-34 age group alone ....

qbrain
July 2nd, 2009, 01:52 PM
What is the variance between the mean and median distance traveled for our typical Nationals competitor?

I would say your comparison is invalid. My LMSC is larger than Italy with 2/5ths the population. Expand that out to the nation, and travel is a barrier to attendance in the US that it would not be in Italy.

Master's swimming may be more popular in Italy, but I don't think comparing the size of National's is valid. How about Membership/population?

swimcat
July 3rd, 2009, 02:39 PM
ehoch: when i lived in Italy a lot of the masters meets were sprint meets. for example you may not see a 200 br or Im at every meet. there were a lot of 5o, 100 hardly any meet with 200's and God forbid the dreaded 400 IM.
the guy setting all the records alberto montini is an ex national swimmer for Italy in the 80's. he just set one in the 200 br.
meets often start after 12pm so if you are a morning swimmer like me, you aren't up for your events.
the give great prizes though- trophies big ones. and of course food, food, food.

michaelmoore
July 5th, 2009, 04:27 PM
I had heard the Italian Masters Long course championships had over 4000 competitors and were held over a week. I was looking for backup information on the 'net but could not find it.

-michael

El Tiburon
July 6th, 2009, 03:14 AM
I had heard the Italian Masters Long course championships had over 4000 competitors and were held over a week. I was looking for backup information on the 'net but could not find it.

-michael

@michael

this is the site of the italian swimming federation with the complete results in italian:
http://www.dbresults.net/sitofin/risultati/ma/2009/riccione2306200901/indexframe.htm

a list of the new records set in this championship (from http://www.nuoto.it/leggi.php?leggiID=20391)

800 freestyle men:
M40 - Schorn Dino - 8.56.40
M55 - Scaramel Giannantonio - 10.00.95

400 freestyle women:
M25 - Magnelli Samuela - 4.34.87

400 freestyle men:
M80 - Casolino Domenicantonio - 6.53.79
M40 - Schorn Dino - 4.17.24

400 IM women
M45 - Kulis Marzena - 5.29.68

400 IM men
M75 - Divano Giulio - 6.58.19 ER
M55 - Scaramel Giannantonio - 5.33.69 ER

200 breaststroke women
M75 - Mijatov Zoraida - 5.12.27
M30 - Bussotti Lucia - 2.51.59

200 backstroke women
M85 - Craveri Silvia - 4.57.34
M40 - Parocchi Silvia - 2.23.91 WR
M25 - Lugano Diletta - 2.26.55

200 backstroke men
M40 - Torri Mauro - 2.18.93

200 freestyle women
M45 - Sterni Laura - 2.21.57
M40 - Noera Giulia - 2.18.05
M25 - Magnelli Samuela - 2.08.62

100 fly women
M45 - Kulis Marzena - 1.09.62
M25 - Anfossi Giulia - 1.04.87

200 IM women
M25 - Lugano Diletta - 2.31.56


200 breaststroke men
M40 - Montini Alberto - 2.18.94 WR

200 freestyle men
M40 - Schorn Dino - 2.00.04
M25 - Rosini Fabio - 1.57.79

100 fly men
M60 - Iossa Bruno - 1.13.85
M50 - Bernardi Fabio - 1.03.63
M40 - Toja Andrea - 58.10

200 IM men
M55 - Scaramel Giannantonio - 2.37.47
M40 - Montini Alberto - 2.10.63 WR

4x50 medley mixed
100-119 - Nocetta - 2.00.38
120-159 - Tuatha De' - 2.00.48
200-239 - C.N. Bastia - 2.10.81

The Irish Friend
July 6th, 2009, 05:24 AM
Results are here :

http://www.federnuoto.it/masters.asp?p=risultati

along with other years .

Wouldn't agree that only sprints at meets - there is good variety . overall the Italian masters movement is very popular and with a good level . Very social too and good lunches or dinners are an important part of the weekend at competitions .

CreamPuff
July 6th, 2009, 08:32 AM
Is it true or not about many swimmers smoking between events?

The Irish Friend
July 6th, 2009, 09:11 AM
what a question !
Well even I'm surprised at how many swimmers smoke - and lots of good guys too . I'm even more surpried at how much they drink and that comes from me a "paddy" !

swimcat
July 6th, 2009, 09:44 AM
Results are here :

http://www.federnuoto.it/masters.asp?p=risultati

along with other years .

Wouldn't agree that only sprints at meets - there is good variety . overall the Italian masters movement is very popular and with a good level . Very socail too and good lunches or dinners are an important part of the weekend at competitions .

what part of italy are you in ? i lived in desenzano del garda.(where they have a great outdoor 50 m, and 2 indoor 25m pools. in comparison with the american masters meets where i lived in florida, they are shorter( we often have 2 to 3 day meets). now , i live in georgia and it is different. less meets. but always a 200im. how many times have you seen a 400Im at an local italian meet? maybe things are changing since i moved back to the states.

how big is masters in the emerland isle?

The Irish Friend
July 7th, 2009, 02:23 AM
Swimcat ,

I live just outside Milan - 400 IM is my event and I could do up to 10 a year if I wanted but generally only 3 or 4 - it hurts !!
perhaps in the past it was like what you describe , I am on the circuit for the last 9 years and with the growth of the Ironmaster (complete all events) , each meet will have some onlger events . Obviously it is not for everyone and the 50's and 100's are always the most popular .
Meets tend to last just 1 day - keeps costs down and families together !!

Ireland has a growing Masters movement , many compete in England , Wales and Scotland too . However it is very concentrated in the Dublin and Cork areas and has strong ties with open water swimming and waterpolo which are very popular .