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Spock
July 27th, 2009, 07:18 PM
watch video (http://www.swimnetwork.com/videos/v/20090727/cavic____i_touched_the_wall_first__in_beijing-16892.html)

Let it go.

tjrpatt
July 27th, 2009, 07:41 PM
No one would know who he was if he did. You wouldn't have been talked about on 60 minutes and Sports Illustrated if you really touched first. You get a blurb about keeping Phelps from 8 gold medals. People outside swimming probably don't know that South Africa cost Phelps a gold medal in the 4 x 100 free relay. Also, the touchpads said something different.

Mark Savage
July 27th, 2009, 07:58 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0808/oly.phelps.sequence/content.5.html

Someone needs to show Cavic this photo.

Lump
July 27th, 2009, 08:29 PM
what next, his touchpad was thicker than mine? my lane was .0001" longer than his?

tjrpatt
July 27th, 2009, 08:46 PM
"Wah! I touched first!" "Wah!"

Frank Thompson
July 27th, 2009, 08:53 PM
People outside swimming probably don't know that South Africa cost Phelps a gold medal in the 4 x 100 free relay.

True, but people inside swimming know that Holland cost Phelps a silver medal in the 4 X 100 Free Relay.

tjrpatt
July 27th, 2009, 09:01 PM
True, but people inside swimming know that Holland cost Phelps a silver medal in the 4 X 100 Free Relay.

Thanks for reminding me because I totally forgot. I knew that Australia didn't get second in that relay.

gobears
July 27th, 2009, 09:17 PM
Lame. Dara, and every other swimmer since touch-pads were invented who lost by .01, don't seem to be whining like this...

Michael Heather
July 27th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Nor are the ones who lost by .001 second in the 1970s. Cavic had the race to lose, and did. He stopped kicking and picked up his head before touching the wall. Even 10 year-olds know better.

knelson
July 28th, 2009, 12:17 AM
In other news Cavic doesn't believe man ever walked on the moon. :banana:

geochuck
July 28th, 2009, 12:00 PM
What ever happened to a two handed touch??? and disqualification for not touching both hands together.

ande
July 28th, 2009, 12:01 PM
Touch pads are triggered by a pressure of something like 3 kilograms per square centimenter, Phelps applied 3 kilograms per square centimenter of pressure before Cavic did. Phelps hit with force, Cavic glided in & lifted his head just before touching. it's possible Cavic touched first or they tied, it was so close.

mattson
July 28th, 2009, 05:51 PM
What ever happened to a two handed touch??? and disqualification for not touching both hands together.

I saw that in the picture as well, but at least to me it looks like both hands are touching (although one is touching more than the other).

I'm also wondering how much of a time difference is perceptible. I could imagine that a 0.01 second difference in hands touching would look simultaneous to a land judge (if there wasn't flash photography).

knelson
July 28th, 2009, 06:06 PM
I'm also wondering how much of a time difference is perceptible. I could imagine that a 0.01 second difference in hands touching would look simultaneous to a land judge (if there wasn't flash photography).

Movies are shot at 24 frames per second and look continuous to the human eye, thus we know the eye can't discern a difference of 1/24 = 0.04 seconds. I'd say anything under 0.1 seconds looks pretty much simultaneous to the human eye.

JimRude
July 28th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Unfortunately for Cavic, a fellow Cal Golden Bear, touching the pad first is not the same as activating the pad first, as I believe Ande pointed out previously.

KeithM
July 28th, 2009, 08:07 PM
That would be assuming he did touch first. An assertion not supported by the slo mo underwater stills and video.

He is in effect claiming it was not an error of .01 but of .02

wiredknight
July 29th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Movies are shot at 24 frames per second and look continuous to the human eye, thus we know the eye can't discern a difference of 1/24 = 0.04 seconds. I'd say anything under 0.1 seconds looks pretty much simultaneous to the human eye.

The USS Swimming standard for backup timing cameras is a minimum 100 frames per second. I'm not sure what the olympics used.

102.16.2.B.(1) Back-up timing cameras recording a minimum of 100 images per second. The cameras must be fully integrated with the timing system.

funkyfish
July 29th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Actually…I touched first! There, problem settled, move on :)
(I didn't say which race…)