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JimRude
July 30th, 2009, 08:04 PM
If Rowdy call the LZR an "old-fashioned suit" once more, I'm gonna flip :bitching:

The Fortress
July 30th, 2009, 08:17 PM
If Rowdy call the LZR an "old-fashioned suit" once more, I'm gonna flip :bitching:

I had the exact same thought! If it's so damn "old fashioned," why is it being banned exactly?

Glenn
July 30th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Speedo must love this.

qbrain
July 30th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Maybe "old fashioned" means "didn't sponsor me"?

I really want Garrett announcing for NBC.

quicksilver
July 30th, 2009, 08:47 PM
If Rowdy call the LZR an "old-fashioned suit" once more, I'm gonna flip :bitching:



Sheesh, the LZR was the talk of Beijing last summer. He and fellow announcers talked them up to no end.
Perhaps erasing Mr. Abraham's 100 free record at nationals (while sporting the blue magic) has made him think otherwise.

jim clemmons
July 30th, 2009, 10:44 PM
L o o z e r

?

BillS
July 30th, 2009, 10:44 PM
I am reminded of the Sunday puzzle on NPR with Will Shortz:

"Take a nickname derived from the three letter denomination given to its formerly world-beating suit by Speedo's marketing department and change one vowel to aptly sum up how the suit is now characterized by those poor unfortunates who are contractually, duty, or honor bound to swim it in the face of obviously superior technology.

Yes, Leanne, correct, 'Laser' becomes 'Loser', but it would have been nice to give the caller a chance."

Chris Stevenson
July 31st, 2009, 11:33 AM
I am reminded of the Sunday puzzle on NPR with Will Shortz

I love those...good post.

Jazz Hands
July 31st, 2009, 12:27 PM
Like I said before, Rowdy Gaines is an idiot.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 12:30 PM
He's 100% correct.

scyfreestyler
July 31st, 2009, 12:32 PM
He's 100% correct.


Rowdy or Jazz?

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 12:35 PM
Rowdy or Jazz?

Rowdy.

Suit technology/innovation is moving at warp speed and what was considered "best" even a few months ago is obsolete.

JimRude
July 31st, 2009, 12:49 PM
Rowdy.

Suit technology/innovation is moving at warp speed and what was considered "best" even a few months ago is obsolete.

And where were the Speedo folks last summer, when their suits were clearly superior? Did any of them admit "I only won/set a record because my suit is clearly superior"?

As an aside, Rowdy's latest comment: the stroke 50s are "worthless", except the 50 free: "I really like that 50".

Jazz Hands
July 31st, 2009, 01:08 PM
As an aside, Rowdy's latest comment: the stroke 50s are "worthless", except the 50 free: "I really like that 50".

Yeah. I mentioned that in another thread. It makes me kinda sick that Rowdy is at NBC while Garrett (infinitely better) looks for a job.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 01:26 PM
And where were the Speedo folks last summer, when their suits were clearly superior? Did any of them admit "I only won/set a record because my suit is clearly superior"?

100% agree...and I put Shubert at the top of the list.


As an aside, Rowdy's latest comment: the stroke 50s are "worthless", except the 50 free: "I really like that 50".

He's been following Jazz Hands blog, training philosophy and abiltities.

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 01:48 PM
100% agree...and I put Shubert at the top of the list.

He's been following Jazz Hands blog, training philosophy and abiltities.

What? Has the elitist beer drinker lost his sense of humor?

Rowdy's comments about the other 50s being "worthless" was idiotic.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 02:05 PM
Rowdy's comments about the other 50s being "worthless" was idiotic.

Not if you understand some of the reasoning behind what he said...USA Swimming will not offer these events at our World Champioship Trials...and in general does not take the 50's "seriouslly" (such a surprise given who the director is). If the USA is going to want to be competitive in these events we have to adopt them in all our Championship meets and offer national team slots to the winners of those meets so we have the best swimmers in those events racing...not team members who qualfied in the 100's swimming them as a side show.

And everyone knows I don't have a sense of humor...except of coursewhen it comes to Geek and his chicken legs.

hofffam
July 31st, 2009, 02:15 PM
I really wish the USA would get serious about SCM racing too.

I hate that the USA is so poorly represented in SCM world records.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 02:30 PM
I really wish the USA would get serious about SCM racing too.

I hate that the USA is so poorly represented in SCM world records.

Agreed. I also wish the NCAA would take the lead on this and host another championship in this format like they did a few years back.

tjrpatt
July 31st, 2009, 02:35 PM
Agreed. I also wish the NCAA would take the lead on this and host another championship in this format like they did a few years back.

I think that college meets should really be LCM. In a perfect world, all swimming would be done in LCM. Seriously, we really need to move away from yards. At least, have all spring championships in SCM whether it is college, masters, age group, and high school swimming. USA really needs to get with the times in meters swimming. USMS is on the right back with their mainly SCM meets in the fall. :applaud:

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 02:52 PM
Not if you understand some of the reasoning behind what he said...

And everyone knows I don't have a sense of humor...except of course when it comes to Geek and his chicken legs.

Uh, why is it exactly that you think this reasoning somehow escaped me?

I grant you that Geek's chicken legs are rather startling to behold ...

Dolphin 2
July 31st, 2009, 02:56 PM
Here's my opinion:

A "Body Girdle". :2cents:

Dolphin 2

aquageek
July 31st, 2009, 02:58 PM
I grant you that Geek's chicken legs are rather startling to behold ...

Chicken legs to you and the Desert Dope, muscled steel pipes of speed to those that run with me, sort of anyway.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 06:52 PM
Uh, why is it exactly that you think this reasoning somehow escaped me?

Hmmmm, let me think about that. Oh yeah, you and Jazz's calling Rowdy an idiot maybe?

Hey Mr. Muscled Steel Pipes...you gonna pony up the $100 for that 50 back and show us they actually work?

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 07:00 PM
Hmmmm, let me think about that. Oh yeah, you and Jazz's calling Rowdy an idiot maybe?

Bah, circular reasoning on your part. I obviously knew all Rowdy's unspoken "reasoning" -- this is not secret knowledge shared only by elite beer drinkers! That doesn't make the 50s at Worlds "worthless" or the 50 free the only "good" 50.

And commentators like Andrea and Rowdy are fair game for criticism. Perhaps not so nice to criticize the swimming abilities of forumites like Jazz though.

aquageek
July 31st, 2009, 07:02 PM
Hey Mr. Muscled Steel Pipes...you gonna pony up the $100 for that 50 back and show us they actually work?

Sure, but then afterward we wager $100 on a 5K running race, to even the odds after you crush me in the pool.

I have met Rowdy a number of times and don't think he's an idiot. Being the Sargent at Arms for Team Blue Frog I cannot let such an insult stand.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 09:07 PM
And commentators like Andrea and Rowdy are fair game for criticism. Perhaps not so nice to criticize the swimming abilities of forumites like Jazz though.

Criticsim is one thing, a personal insult/attack by you and Jazz (an idiot??) to a friend of mine another.

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 09:11 PM
Criticsim is one thing, a personal insult/attack by you and Jazz (an idiot??) to a friend of mine another.

Name dropper!

Whatevah! I think his commentary wasn't real smart. And he's said some bonehead things before as well. He's a public figure on national TV. It can't be a personal attack. I would say "chill," but it always annoys me when my kid says that so I won't.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 09:30 PM
Name dropper!

WTF?

And his comments were dea on and IMHO directed right at USA Swimming for not taking these event seriously. It' a joke to not have your best swimmers compete against the worlds best...and calling people names is always a personal attack.

Except of course when referring to Geek being and his chicken legs and shaved chest (which never had hair to begin with)...

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 09:43 PM
WTF?

And his comments were dea on and IMHO directed right at USA Swimming for not taking these event seriously. It' a joke to not have your best swimmers compete against the worlds best...and calling people names is always a personal attack.

Except of course when referring to Geek being and his chicken legs and shaved chest (which never had hair to begin with)...

WTF? Really, no sense of humor from you today ...

Nah, Rowdy's a sports commentator I think he can take it.

Though I agree that USA Swimming needs to promote 50s like the rest of the World. Apparently, in some states they do, as evidenced by Cream Puff's latest exploits in the 50 fly.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 09:48 PM
WTF? Really, no sense of humor from you today ...

None (humor usually has a :)). I'm stuck at a trade show in Vegas for the last 12 hours with rap blaring and far to many whack jobs hitting me up for freebies. I'm amazed how many "actors" are out there that a confident they can get me a product shot if they score this movie deal they are working on...Geek actually asked as well, apparently he thinks he's got a shot for a role in a "B" movie (porn?)called my "bike" is bigger, faster and shinier than yours".

humanpunchingbag
July 31st, 2009, 10:01 PM
I think that college meets should really be LCM. In a perfect world, all swimming would be done in LCM. Seriously, we really need to move away from yards. At least, have all spring championships in SCM whether it is college, masters, age group, and high school swimming. USA really needs to get with the times in meters swimming. USMS is on the right back with their mainly SCM meets in the fall. :applaud:

I know that I do not need to point this out (a Canadian pointing this out is, well, certainly out of line) but the majority of college meets are duel meets, done in the home pool and therefor most of them are done in short course yards pools. I really have no idea how many universities and colleges have LCM pools easily available to them, but I doubt it would be even close to a majority.

No doubt the majority of NCAA Level I teams have LCM pools open to them (not Brigham Young though and I doubt U of Utah, and, unless things have changed, not University of Washington; competed against them and their pools are definetely SCM). From there on down to NCAA Level II and III as well as NAIA teams: I just do not see the smaller universities and colleges having LCM any time soon.

The reality is that, unless money starts falling out of trees in the USA just to build competition pools, the collegiate standards are going to remain in scy for years.

Swimming is swimming and most of the higher level swimmers convert back and forth with little effort. As far as the 50 sprint strokes go; Americans are always a challenge in any sport they contest so regardless of what Rowdy Gaines says, those races are important to the guys swimming them.

The Fortress
July 31st, 2009, 10:02 PM
None (humor usually has a :)). I'm stuck at a trade show in Vegas for the last 12 hours with rap blaring and far to many whack jobs hitting me up for freebies. I'm amazed how many "actors" are out there that a confident they can get me a product shot if they score this movie deal they are working on...Geek actually asked as well, apparently he thinks he's got a shot for a role in a "B" movie (porn?)called my "bike" is bigger, faster and shinier than yours".

Yeah, that day sucks. It would make my taper bitchies really ugly. Drink vino and hug the lovely wife.

But criticizing any race distance is really silly. The 50s in swimming are the equivalent of the 200 in track. And I'm sure the rest of the World that actually trained for them hardly think they're "worthless." Let's face it, they add excitement and variety. Much like the suits.

jim thornton
July 31st, 2009, 10:02 PM
What kind of trade show is it, and what kind of product(s) are you hawking out there in the land of gila monsters and gambler-subsidized buffets?

As far as Rowdy Gaines goes, he seems to this layman swimming observer no better nor worse than the color commentators the networks seem to find for most sports. He doesn't bug me as much as that woman with the thick Southern accent that talks about diving.

But he's no Dick Button, either.

The one thing that did kind of bug me about Mr. Gaines was his trying to recruit the saps among us in the Blue Frog pyramid scheme, fantastic cash opportunity that it may well be.

Did any of you guys see this shamelessness on Facebook? Did any of you take him up on the offer to sell the stuff to your teammates?

Paul, please accept my apologies if this line of inquiry has in any way seemed critical of your BFF.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 11:49 PM
Yeah, that day sucks. It would make my taper bitchies really ugly. Drink vino and hug the lovely wife.

But criticizing any race distance is really silly. The 50s in swimming are the equivalent of the 200 in track. And I'm sure the rest of the World that actually trained for them hardly think they're "worthless." Let's face it, they add excitement and variety. Much like the suits.

Fort....wake up...he is not being citical of the distance only the current directors thinking that USA Swimming won't take the 50's as "serious" events...if we did we would include them in our trials. Swimmers like you would be shut out in Shuberts world, instead of giving you a true shot at making the 50 back World Team they would just let the guy(s) who made the 100 "swim down"...not the same thing and therfore a joke because evryine else in the World is doing it the other way.

Paul Smith
July 31st, 2009, 11:54 PM
What kind of trade show is it, and what kind of product(s) are you hawking out there in the land of gila monsters and gambler-subsidized buffets?

As far as Rowdy Gaines goes, he seems to this layman swimming observer no better nor worse than the color commentators the networks seem to find for most sports. He doesn't bug me as much as that woman with the thick Southern accent that talks about diving.

But he's no Dick Button, either.

The one thing that did kind of bug me about Mr. Gaines was his trying to recruit the saps among us in the Blue Frog pyramid scheme, fantastic cash opportunity that it may well be.

Did any of you guys see this shamelessness on Facebook? Did any of you take him up on the offer to sell the stuff to your teammates?

Paul, please accept my apologies if this line of inquiry has in any way seemed critical of your BFF.

Fair criticism and nice of you not to call him names for doing it. I will however say that if you knew him the "recruiting" as you call it came from a far more humble place...he loves swimming/masters swimming and really wanted to try and get more people involved. Trust me...if ARG was wanting to put together a "super team" he wouldn't do it like that....he has the phone number of the people he would need and who would gladly sign on. I thought it was pretty cool actually that people who don't know him personally got an open invite to come and play...others seem to se it as an "idiot" being "elite".

pwolf66
August 1st, 2009, 07:54 AM
I think that college meets should really be LCM. In a perfect world, all swimming would be done in LCM. Seriously, we really need to move away from yards. At least, have all spring championships in SCM whether it is college, masters, age group, and high school swimming. USA really needs to get with the times in meters swimming. USMS is on the right back with their mainly SCM meets in the fall. :applaud:

I can agree that SC should be meters not yards, but ALL swimming in LCM? Puh-leeze.