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Doug Adamavich
October 9th, 2009, 06:02 PM
OK, it may be over a year away but why not start a thread on 2011 Short Course (Spring) Nationals? This meet will be held at the newly-renovated Kino Aquatics Center in Mesa, which is just east of Phoenix. So go ahead and pipe in, I'm sure we will get some good conversation flowing.

pwb
October 10th, 2009, 10:57 AM
With absolutely no locational bias on my part (:)), this was an inspired choice! Seriously, though, this is a sweet, new, fast pool in a metro area that will offer everyone something to meet their needs in terms of housing, food and entertainment.

Speedo
October 14th, 2009, 10:57 AM
I had a great time in Phoenix last time I was there, but I suppose mountain biking at North Mountain would not be a great idea during the meet :) Nice town and I remember great outdoor places to eat.

Doug Adamavich
October 14th, 2009, 01:53 PM
I had a great time in Phoenix last time I was there, but I suppose mountain biking at North Mountain would not be a great idea during the meet :)

Good mountain biking (after the meet) can be had at McDowell Mountain Park just outside of Fountain Hills. They have some competitive loops of varying degrees of difficulty but the Pemberton Loop is a treat. That goes for 15.4 miles and is fairly moderate. Beautiful scenery and late spring is a great time to get on the wheels.

South Mountain is a but further away but offers the Desert Classic, which is a VERY popular trail. Its a bit more challenging than the Pemberton Loop but has a lot of character.

That said, I'm staying off my bike for most of Spring 2011 :)

pwb
October 14th, 2009, 02:42 PM
I had a great time in Phoenix last time I was there, but I suppose mountain biking at North Mountain would not be a great idea during the meet :) Nice town and I remember great outdoor places to eat.

There's excellent, excellent hiking, too ... again, after the meet.

jim clemmons
October 14th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Looking forward to a bit cooler weather than Tempe (ASU) had in 2003, since it's a few weeks earlier. :cool:

Speedo
October 14th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Great ideas to extend the visit- cycling and hiking. Heh- South Mountain is what I meant- great place to mountain bike and was able to rent a bike easily at a bike shop in Tempe. With all of the outdoor stuff to do in addition to the meet there will be no excuse not to have fun.

Doug Adamavich
October 15th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Looking forward to a bit cooler weather than Tempe (ASU) had in 2003, since it's a few weeks earlier. :cool:

It should be cooler but still expect temperatures in the 90's. Sometimes April can be toasty but generally it is VERY nice. Early May is normally OK too, its when you get to the middle to end of the month that Summer arrives with a vengeance.

There is a lot of shade at Kino and there is grass on two sides of the pool. As long as we don't have a hot April, conditions should be outstanding. I think visitors will be pleasantly surprised and enjoy swimming outside in sunny weather.

SCAQ Member
October 18th, 2009, 01:39 AM
These are the average temperatures for Mesa, Arizona in the Spring:

April 84 F 52 F 0.3 inches
May 94 F 58 F 0.3 inches
June 102 F 68 F 0.1 inches

Paul Smith
October 31st, 2009, 04:14 PM
The pool is turning out to be VERY fast,, last week at the 1A, 2A, #a HS championships 21 records fell out of 24 evetns. 4A finals are tonight and 5A next week...check out the action (and the pool) at:

http://www.swimmingworld.tv/2009-az-1a2a3a-championships/

pwolf66
October 31st, 2009, 08:05 PM
As far as I can tell, there is nothing to watch there. Or am I missing something?

Zurn
November 2nd, 2009, 11:51 AM
Is there an official date for this meet yet? Sorry if it's already posted somewhere, I didn't see it...

pwolf66
November 2nd, 2009, 04:14 PM
Is there an official date for this meet yet? Sorry if it's already posted somewhere, I didn't see it...


U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums - View Single Post - 2011 SCY Nationals

Doug Adamavich
February 17th, 2010, 09:52 AM
U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums - View Single Post - 2011 SCY Nationals (http://forums.usms.org/showpost.php?p=194144&postcount=8)

I was told April 28-May 1 but have not seen anything written in stone. There is talk of an open water swim at either Tempe Town Lake or Saguaro Lake on the Monday after the meet (May 2). Paul Smith probably knows so I will defer to him regarding dates...

Frank Thompson
February 18th, 2010, 04:44 PM
I was told April 28-May 1 but have not seen anything written in stone. There is talk of an open water swim at either Tempe Town Lake or Saguaro Lake on the Monday after the meet (May 2). Paul Smith probably knows so I will defer to him regarding dates...

Doug:

The 2010 US Masters Rule Book has the dates of May 6 to May 9, 2011 at the Kino Aquatic Complex and has the contact of Sam Hewson. The dates that you stated are 4 days after Easter Sunday and that is really tightening the schedule for State Championships and Zones in the different LMSC's in the country to have meets in first 2 weeks of April.

pwolf66
February 19th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Doug:

The 2010 US Masters Rule Book has the dates of May 6 to May 9, 2011 at the Kino Aquatic Complex and has the contact of Sam Hewson. The dates that you stated are 4 days after Easter Sunday and that is really tightening the schedule for State Championships and Zones in the different LMSC's in the country to have meets in first 2 weeks of April.

Frank,

those dates would be a Friday thru Monday situation. Is distance day going to be on a Monday again?

Paul Smith
June 11th, 2010, 08:48 PM
OK....details coming soon on hotels, restaurants, etc. For now here are some details:

- Dates are 4/28-5/1
- We will be hosting an open water swim at Saguaro Lake which will most likely offer a 1 mile, 2k and 4k. If you have never been to Arizona you might be surprised at how beautiful this locale is: http://www.saguarolakemarina.com
- Diamondbacks are in season, hoping for a home game at that time!
- Casino night possibly!
- Coors/MGD sponsored party with live band in the works!
- Oh....and the pool is FAST in case anyone is coming in to swim!!!

Hope we see you there!

knelson
June 11th, 2010, 09:59 PM
- Coors/MGD sponsored party with live band in the works!

Paul, we should have known you'd come through with a beer garden!

pwb
June 12th, 2010, 12:14 AM
OK....details coming soon on hotels, restaurants, etc. For now here are some details:

- Dates are 4/28-5/1
- We will be hosting an open water swim at Saguaro Lake which will most likely offer a 1 mile, 2k and 4k. If you have never been to Arizona you might be surprised at how beautiful this locale is: http://www.saguarolakemarina.com
- Diamondbacks are in season, hoping for a home game at that time!
- Casino night possibly!
- Coors/MGD sponsored party with live band in the works!
- Oh....and the pool is FAST in case anyone is coming in to swim!!!

Hope we see you there!All good, Paul, and good to see you back on the forums ...

I'll echo the beauty of Saguaro Lake and the FAST-ness of the pool.

As for the Coors party ... in Mesa???:chug:

Doug Adamavich
June 12th, 2010, 11:40 AM
All good, Paul, and good to see you back on the forums ...

I'll echo the beauty of Saguaro Lake and the FAST-ness of the pool.

As for the Coors party ... in Mesa???:chug:

There may well be a party involving Warsteiner, Carne Asada, and foosball at my place too :chug:, I'm just over 6 miles due East of the pool.

If next spring is anything like this spring was (PERFECT weather) then everybody should be in for a treat. Saguaro Lake may be a little bit chilly then (upper 60's, low 70's) but it will still be all beautiful. Its the ideal time of year to come to AZ.

Charge
July 20th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Silly question I'm sure, but there does not appear to be much parking at the facility per google maps.......what's the plan for that?

Paul Smith
August 31st, 2010, 09:22 AM
parking should not be a problem:

1) Hotel Shuttles will be running from the primary hotel block
2) We open up the athletic fields behind the facility for parking...we hosted all the high school Championship meets last fall and had over 4000 swimmers/spectators in attendance at the 5A finals.

Paul Smith
August 31st, 2010, 09:26 AM
We have locked down our initial hotel list which is now listed on our website:
www.mesamasters.com (look for the Nationals tab with a drop down menu listing hotels).

We will also be adding a hotel right outside of Saguaro Lake which is about 25 minutes from Kino. Great place for families to stay who are interested in doing anything but sitting at a meet all day...jeep tours, horseback riding, hiking, etc. etc.

drip'nwet
August 31st, 2010, 11:14 AM
According to the order of events for Spring Nationals - the women's 500 free, 200 fly, 200 free and the open water are all on the same day? Am I reading this correctly?
Also - are the distance machines allowed to swim both the 1000 and the 1650?

thewookiee
August 31st, 2010, 11:42 AM
I think I know the answer but I will ask it anyway. Is mesa an outdoor pool, indoor pool or an open air facility with a covered roof?

pwb
August 31st, 2010, 12:47 PM
I think I know the answer but I will ask it anyway. Is mesa an outdoor pool, indoor pool or an open air facility with a covered roof?Outdoor pool, no roof ... unless maybe Paul and Laura have been building one in all of their free (:laugh2:) time.

thewookiee
August 31st, 2010, 12:54 PM
Outdoor pool, no roof ... unless maybe Paul and Laura have been building one in all of their free (:laugh2:) time.

Ok. Thanks. Good luck to ya'll that are going. My delicate fur isn't fond of outdoor pools.

pwb
August 31st, 2010, 01:15 PM
Ok. Thanks. Good luck to ya'll that are going. My delicate fur isn't fond of outdoor pools.Aww, c'mon. Slap some bullfrog on, forget racing backstroke and it's all good.

thewookiee
August 31st, 2010, 01:23 PM
Aww, c'mon. Slap some bullfrog on, forget racing backstroke and it's all good.

Naw. I don't have much else to race then. I hate outdoor pools. If someone would run a rope over each lane, from backstroke flag to backstroke flag, then I would consider it.

Otherwise, ya'll have fun.

pwb
August 31st, 2010, 03:11 PM
...I hate outdoor pools...Truth be told, I much prefer pool racing indoors, but training outdoors. However, I can't pass up a Nationals twenty minutes from my house.

thewookiee
August 31st, 2010, 03:15 PM
Truth be told, I much prefer pool racing indoors, but training outdoors. However, I can't pass up a Nationals twenty minutes from my house.

Ok, I will agree with you on those points. Mesa is a little farther than 20 minutes for me though :)

bzaks1424
August 31st, 2010, 03:46 PM
Ok, I will agree with you on those points. Mesa is a little farther than 20 minutes for me though :)

While that may be true Wookiee - you might as well make the trip anyway. You're probably going to qualify... and since someone slow like myself cannot swim in place of you. You might as well fill your spots!

thewookiee
August 31st, 2010, 03:56 PM
While that may be true Wookiee - you might as well make the trip anyway. You're probably going to qualify... and since someone slow like myself cannot swim in place of you. You might as well fill your spots!

Michael, you can go to nationals in 3 events, regardless of your times. I going to focus on LCM at Auburn(that's only a 4 hour drive)

bzaks1424
August 31st, 2010, 04:00 PM
Michael, you can go to nationals in 3 events, regardless of your times. I going to focus on LCM at Auburn(that's only a 4 hour drive)

Sure - but I would love to go in as many as possible! :D Gotta get my $$s worth in travel! I'll pretty much be doing as many events as possible at every meet for the rest of my life until I actually have a chance of qualifying for something. (I've got 5 + 2 relays in the Sink Or Swim here in the Northern Burbs)

Doug Adamavich
September 1st, 2010, 09:41 AM
Ok. Thanks. Good luck to ya'll that are going. My delicate fur isn't fond of outdoor pools.

There is a lot of shade in the form of sunshades on the west and north sides of the pool. That should offer some protection of your delicate fur :)

It is a VERY nice pool that underwent major upgrades two years ago. The blocks are new, the pool is deep, and the water is fast. Should be a good venue for Nationals.

thewookiee
September 1st, 2010, 10:19 AM
There is a lot of shade in the form of sunshades on the west and north sides of the pool. That should offer some protection of your delicate fur :)

It is a VERY nice pool that underwent major upgrades two years ago. The blocks are new, the pool is deep, and the water is fast. Should be a good venue for Nationals.

Sounds like a great venue but I will pass. Backstrokers and outdoors don't go well together.

Chris Stevenson
September 1st, 2010, 06:20 PM
forget racing backstroke and it's all good.

Please...the man is a backstroke national champion!

Wookiee, I have to say, I had some of my best nationals backstroke swims in outdoor pools (Clovis; Mt Hood).

Donna
September 1st, 2010, 08:27 PM
DITTO Chris! My best were in outdoor pools too.

mermaid
September 8th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment . . . or maybe I can't figure out how to use the USMS Calendar of Events . . . but I can't find it listed on USMS.

Someone please help the Mermaid.

jim clemmons
September 8th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment . . . or maybe I can't figure out how to use the USMS Calendar of Events . . . but I can't find it listed on USMS.

Someone please help the Mermaid.

http://www.usms.org/comp/event_search.php

Under Competition.

Dominick Aielloeaver
October 10th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Having swam at KINO POOL, I can tell you it is a real fast pool. I am a very slow swimmer, but all through out the 1650 , I felt as if some one was pushing me to go faster, really liked that pool.:chug::anim_coffee::coffee:

Dominick Aielloeaver
October 10th, 2010, 03:28 PM
I also have to credit PAUL His wife Laura for the way they make there meets ENJOYABLE, it is always a great day at there meets. And of course4 the many VOLUNTEERS.:):chug:

Paul Smith
October 24th, 2010, 07:36 PM
OK....hotel, rental car, shuttle info all available now at: http://www.VisitMesa.com/USMasters

You can also stay in touch with us through Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124790340895396

We will be hosting the SPMA/Arizona State Championships April 1-3 if anyone would like to get some "pool testing" done before the big show!

Paul Smith
November 7th, 2010, 06:59 PM
Seems to be some confusion still on the order events...please see below. Also...although Sky Harbor Airport is designated as the primary location for those flying in, if you plan on renting a car consider flying into Phoenix-Mesa Gateway if your lucky enough to have service from Allegiant Airways!

1st Day
800/1000 free
1500/1650 free

2nd Day
400 IM
50 fly
200 back
100 breast
50 free
200 mixed free relay

3rd Day
400/500 free (women)
100 IM
200 fly
100 back
50 breast
200 free
200 medley relay
200 free relay

4th Day
400/500 free (men)
200 medley relay
200 breast
100 fly
50 back
200 IM
100 free

pwb
November 8th, 2010, 07:50 AM
Seems to be some confusion still on the order events...Not confusion, Paul ... people just like to complain about how the order of events is bad for them so they can start sandbagging early. :worms:

Paul Smith
November 19th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Meet Update

Hotel rooms booking fast:


Hyatt Place
Contracted for 80 rooms per night
So far booked at close to 100 rooms per night
Basically, rooms are sold out at this point. I am meeting with them next week in regards to other meets and also potential rooms for this meet.

Hilton
Contracted for 50 rooms per night
So far about 24 rooms per night have been booked


Marriott (Downtown)
Contracted for 20 rooms per night
Most still available

Courtyard Marriott
Contracted for 60 rooms
So far about 27 rooms per night have been booked

Dobson Ranch Inn
Contracted for 100 rooms
So far 3 rooms have been booked

Faifield Inn
Contracted for 30 rooms
So far 0 rooms have been booked

BrandonNE
November 21st, 2010, 05:38 PM
WOW!! I am sure glad I got a room!!

orca1946
November 30th, 2010, 07:44 PM
As I look thru the event list, I'm confused at the missing events # 16 & # 17. Where did they go ? Also what are they going to be ?

jim clemmons
November 30th, 2010, 07:53 PM
As I look thru the event list, I'm confused at the missing events # 16 & # 17. Where did they go ? Also what are they going to be ?

Look at the adjacent events - one's a mixed relay; the other's the women's 500. Men swim their 500 on a different day so the numbers are skipped (or adjusted, if you prefer).

JimRude
December 1st, 2010, 11:41 AM
Gots me my flight and hotel booked this morning!

orca1946
December 1st, 2010, 11:43 AM
Jim - Thanx for the info. I am thinking of doing nationals this year & did not want to miss any of the events that I might be able to get into.

orca1946
December 4th, 2010, 12:14 AM
Today I tried to book a room & they are out of Masters rate rooms at the Marriott mesa & the Hyatt place ! I grabbed a room at the regular rate at Marriott Mesa. Will they open more rooms at the lower rate ?

jseidler
December 5th, 2010, 04:48 PM
Question about competition pool depth ... I read all the forum posts, and there is mention that the pool is a deep pool, but I would like to know what the depths are for the start and turn ends of the pool in the competition configuration for SCY. Are these ends uniformly at least 2 meters deep?

Thanks ... Jeanne

jaadams1
December 5th, 2010, 06:56 PM
Meet Update

Hotel rooms booking fast:






Motel 6 all the way!!! :bed:

pwb
December 6th, 2010, 08:40 AM
Question about competition pool depth ... I read all the forum posts, and there is mention that the pool is a deep pool, but I would like to know what the depths are for the start and turn ends of the pool in the competition configuration for SCY. Are these ends uniformly at least 2 meters deep?Hopefully Paul will chime in, but I've swum here in a few meets and my recollection was that depth was uniform (or darn close to it) across the whole 50M course. I think the depth is easily 2M.

pwb
December 6th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Hotel rooms booking fast:By all means, please support the hotels, but, if you've got a larger group of people, check out www.vrbo.com for house/condo rentals. The greater Phoenix area has huge numbers of short term rental properties and the timing of Nationals is getting towards the end of our 'snowbird' season so you might be able to find a good deal.

Note: I have no vested interest in any rental property, but have had friends and family find good places here and have personally rented a number of times in other cities via VRBO. I find being in a place where I can make my own meals better for longer stays than hotels.

orca1946
December 6th, 2010, 01:05 PM
Comfort inn has good prices - $67.50/ night.

Doug Adamavich
December 7th, 2010, 11:11 AM
Question about competition pool depth ... I read all the forum posts, and there is mention that the pool is a deep pool, but I would like to know what the depths are for the start and turn ends of the pool in the competition configuration for SCY. Are these ends uniformly at least 2 meters deep?

Thanks ... Jeanne

It is over 2M deep throughout, you will enjoy swimming in it!

orca1946
December 10th, 2010, 01:12 PM
2 M should stop any rebound of wave action.

pwb
December 11th, 2010, 12:12 AM
Are these ends uniformly at least 2 meters deep?
I was at the pool tonight for a kids' meet. Pool depth varies somewhat, but I saw 6'7" as the shallowest up to 7'2", but they had the deepest part covered with tarps. Regardless, it's deep and fast.

ElaineK
December 11th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Hey Paul! Any word yet as to whether there will be any airconditioned indoor areas available to the swimmers?

orca1946
December 12th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Are there any areas with seat backs to lean against during the wait between heats ?

Dom
December 12th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Is the REGERTATION open for the NAT<LS in MESA.:bed:

pwb
December 12th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Hey Paul! Any word yet as to whether there will be any airconditioned indoor areas available to the swimmers?There is a Starbucks a short drive away.:anim_coffee:

pwb
December 12th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Are there any areas with seat backs to lean against during the wait between heats ?The bleachers don't have backs, so if you want to sit in those, I'd recommend picking up something like this -- http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/stadiumchair.html. Cheaper, though, will be to pick up or bring a canvas sports chair which can be had for <$20 at Target, Walmart, etc.

knelson
December 13th, 2010, 10:46 AM
Cheaper, though, will be to pick up or bring a canvas sports chair which can be had for <$20 at Target, Walmart, etc.

Anyone who attends swim meets needs a couple of these. I think they rank just below goggles on your meet checklist. :)

orca1946
December 13th, 2010, 11:54 AM
After I get 2 chairs I can donate them to the pool area for future use.

orca1946
December 13th, 2010, 01:23 PM
On the 1st day of the meet - 1000 & 1650, is there a positive check in or is your entry good enough ?
Will heat or psych sheets be on line before this day?
I ask because I will be arriving at about 8 PM the evening before & want to make sure not miss or rush the events of this 1st day.

knelson
December 14th, 2010, 11:08 AM
Oz, there's always positive checkin required for the distance events. Usually checkins open a couple days before the meet starts and can be done on the USMS website. Heat/psych sheets are always available well in advance of the meet.

orca1946
December 14th, 2010, 12:31 PM
Thanks for the info. Can you tell that I'm nervous about nats already ??!!

Scottroundrock
December 14th, 2010, 01:09 PM
I was wondering if the day or days for the OW events have been established so that we can book alonger stay and adjust airline flights. Hearing good things about the lake.
Thanks
Scott

Kurt Dickson
December 15th, 2010, 09:39 AM
Last I heard it was to be on saturday (during the meet) and not "official" which sort of blows...this was the website but maybe they are considering someone else. http://www.dcbadventures.com/

debaru
December 15th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Last I heard it was to be on saturday (during the meet) and not "official" which sort of blows...this was the website but maybe they are considering someone else. http://www.dcbadventures.com/

I could be wrong, but this should be a USMS-sanctioned event, it's just not part of Nationals. All of the swim events put on by DCB this past year were sanctioned by USMS.

Kurt Dickson
December 15th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Sorry by not official, I meant not a national championship. DCB, at least for last the two years, has put on USMS sanctioned races.

Paul Smith
December 19th, 2010, 03:30 PM
Sorry by not official, I meant not a national championship. DCB, at least for last the two years, has put on USMS sanctioned races.

Kurt, the open water races that have been held at the same time as other nationals have never been "National Championships"....those are bid on and help at a different time. I'm with you and would like to see the possibility of them tied together but that hasn't happened yet.

Also, we will certainly be supporting DCB's hosting this event....however the insurance, requirements for officials, logistics, etc. just simply did not make sense. What did make sense is to work with these guys to make sure the word got out and let folks who are interested in OW know their will be a VERY good option for them on Saturday as well as a chance to swim some events at Nationals!

orca1946
December 19th, 2010, 07:14 PM
Has anyone booked rooms at the Country Inn & suites?

Kurt Dickson
December 20th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Kurt, the open water races that have been held at the same time as other nationals have never been "National Championships"....those are bid on and help at a different time. I'm with you and would like to see the possibility of them tied together but that hasn't happened yet.

I know it wasn't but the back of my t-shirt from Clovis open water mile says "2009 USMS national one-mile open water championship." They also held it on Monday which probably would help in participation.

Maybe it's logistically too hard, but it would be nice to see open water events at each nationals as I don't really want to travel separately to Lake Placid, Ft. Myers, Indiana, Ogallala, or wherever the open water championships happen to reside. I'm sure in many cases you could farm out all the work of organization and volunteering to the local open water gurus (in this case DCB). It would certainly would improve the quality of swimmers at the events (outcome may be the same...Erwin for the win).

pwb
December 21st, 2010, 11:41 AM
Maybe it's logistically too hard, but it would be nice to see open water events at each nationals as I don't really want to travel separately to Lake Placid, Ft. Myers, Indiana, Ogallala, or wherever the open water championships happen to reside....outcome may be the same...Erwin for the win). I agree with you on both points.

orca1946
December 21st, 2010, 07:12 PM
Would the O W swims pull from the distance events of Nats ?

Paul Smith
December 22nd, 2010, 10:46 AM
I agree with you on both points.

Looking forward to both of you guys joining us at convention next year! Agenda item #1 coordination between Championship & Open Water Committees to hold the open water national championships as part of the pool championships!!

jroddin
December 22nd, 2010, 12:45 PM
Maybe it's logistically too hard, but it would be nice to see open water events at each nationals as I don't really want to travel separately to Lake Placid, Ft. Myers, Indiana, Ogallala, or wherever the open water championships happen to reside. I'm sure in many cases you could farm out all the work of organization and volunteering to the local open water gurus (in this case DCB). It would certainly would improve the quality of swimmers at the events (outcome may be the same...Erwin for the win).

Open Water Nationals and Pool Nationals are both bid on two years in advance of their respective events. Typically pool Nationals are selected just prior to the fall convention two years in advance, and Open Water Nationals are selected a month later at convention. It sounds good in theory to combine the two events, but each event has its own set of narrow requirements to satisfy in order to host. Open Water Nationals has a bidding area map where bids are supposed to come from certain parts of the country for certain open water championship distances (page 64 of the 2010 rulebook). Pool Nationals doesn't have the same strict geographic requirement, but the Championship Committee is charged with moving the meet around as much as possible. So if a host is able to bid for both and can meet these requirements, then great. I'm quite sure a bidder would receive strong consideration from USMS if they can host both. I think we are fortunate Mesa has an open water opportunity the same weekend as Nationals so swimmers can make a choice to support one or both. But making them both National Championship events would have had to have been developed in the summer of 2009.

Kurt Dickson
December 22nd, 2010, 05:00 PM
1) change the rules if that is the only thing keeping them separate.
2) the open water event in Mesa is only on that weekend because there was thought in making it combined with nationals (he would have done it on monday afterward like Clovis as well).:)

Paul Smith
December 22nd, 2010, 05:57 PM
1)
2) the open water event in Mesa is only on that weekend because there was thought in making it combined with nationals (he would have done it on monday afterward like Clovis as well).:)

Actually not true Kurt! The open water races that have been held on the Monday following pool nationals have had VERY low turnout (around 200 on average)...regardless of whether we ran both events or not I was always in favor of holding the event on Saturday.

Truth is by doing it this way we are more likely to get folks more interested in swimming OW to possibly attend nationals for an event or two, especially by offering a 1 mile, 2k & 4k which has not been done in the past. Bottom line is DCB runs a great event and having it the Saturday of our meet means you will see double to triple the number of participants PLUS kids divisions.

Kurt Dickson
December 22nd, 2010, 07:52 PM
Paul, not sure what you are saying is not true (?double negative), the weekend picked or monday being good.

I am thinking DCB does not care which weekend the first of his five part series is and am sure he picked that one to coincide with nationals (but you may know better).

As for 200 plus people being a low turnout...maybe, but not for a monday. DCB is usually around 200 on Saturday and am sure he would jump at 200 @ 40 dollars/head on Monday. I am sure there will be more on that particular Saturday with normal crowd plus some from nationals...the girls need to decide whether they miss the 500 and the guys need to decide whether they want to "corrupt" their 500 the following day. Sunday at about 11 am may have been a good choice as all the D-guys could get to Saguaro Lake by then.

Either way, you can't argue with placing open water events around nationals improving quality (I did not even crack top 3 in my age-group at Clovis--Erwin, Shaffer, and ?).

As for 1k, 2k, 4k, wetsuit/no wetsuit, age-groups--too many divisions.

Chris Stevenson
December 23rd, 2010, 10:09 AM
1) change the rules if that is the only thing keeping them separate.

There is nothing in the rules that specifically "keeps them separate," and it definitely isn't the only thing. Yes, the OW people do have their regions and that is given some priority, but they also recognize the value in combining an OW championship with pool nationals.

I don't remember which were national OW championships or not, but Clovis, PR, AZ and Auburn all had or will have OW events on the same weekend as nationals. (Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't matter much to me if an OW race is called a "national championship or not.)

It is hard for a potential meet host to put together a good bid for a pool nationals (or OW nationals); it is hard for the championship and LD committees soliciting such bids, as well as choosing the winning bid. Many years there have been only single bids for pool nationals.

I do agree that the regional thing should be a lesser priority than the possibility of combining with nationals, and that administrative barriers to combining them should be as low as possible. But I also don't think it is worth accepting an vastly inferior bid for either nationals just for the sake of combining them.

So while it is great when they are able to be combined, it is definitely a lot easier said than done.

orca1946
December 31st, 2010, 03:16 PM
Now that I have gotten info on Nats, the Mesa visitor agency sends me local info - thanx ,it will give us things to see when we are there.

Paul Smith
January 1st, 2011, 05:43 PM
Now that I have gotten info on Nats, the Mesa visitor agency sends me local info - thanx ,it will give us things to see when we are there.

Not sure how these will fit in with your visit...but some great stuff:

Arizona's must-do dozen:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2011/01/01/20110101resolutions0101intro.html

knelson
January 1st, 2011, 08:05 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2011/01/01/20110101resolutions0101intro.html

Anyone planning to go to Nationals and is interested in the history of the region might want to read Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides. I thought of it because a few of the places mentioned in the article Paul linked figure in the book, Canyon de Chelly notably.

pwb
January 2nd, 2011, 12:53 AM
Arizona's must-do dozen:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2011/01/01/20110101resolutions0101intro.htmlSome other ideas just in the Valley of the Sun metro area:


There's also at least a dozen great-to-do eating establishments here, chief among them Pizza Bianco (NYTimes best pizza in America, http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/its-pizza-oscar-for-bianco-says-rachael-ray/), my favorite burger and shake at Zinburger (http://www.foxrestaurantconcepts.com/zinburger.html) and my personal splurge dining favorite at Binkley's (http://binkleysrestaurant.com/).
Phoenix New Times online edition is a great source for Valley of the Sun eating, entertainment and events (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/).
Hiking fans sticking around after the meet have multiple places to choose from in greater metro area and the local paper's online edition is a great source for hikes (http://www.azcentral.com/travel/hiking/).

orca1946
January 2nd, 2011, 02:49 PM
After my last event at Nats, I'll be looking foe all you can eat ribs !!!

pwb
January 2nd, 2011, 05:00 PM
After my last event at Nats, I'll be looking foe all you can eat ribs !!!You should've gone to Nationals in Austin in 2008, then.

I've never been to this joint and don't know if it's still around, but here were the best ribs in 2009: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/bestof/2009/award/best-ribs-1453929/.

orca1946
January 2nd, 2011, 11:53 PM
Thanx for the link, it sounds good with the southwest sauce !

JimRude
January 3rd, 2011, 04:51 PM
In intend to gorge myself on free beer and chips at Tall Paul's, and reminisce about how the Golden Bears used to beat down on his Gaucho's...

pwb
January 3rd, 2011, 05:29 PM
...at Tall Paul's, and reminisce about how the Golden Bears used to beat down on his Gaucho's...Yeah, but was that even a fair fight to begin with?:bolt:

orca1946
January 3rd, 2011, 05:56 PM
FREE BEER ???????????
Send me this link !
I have to think about carbo loading - don't I ??

JimRude
January 3rd, 2011, 06:01 PM
Yeah, but was that even a fair fight to begin with?:bolt:

Well, I don't think Schroeder ever lost a race to a Cal guy in his time as a Nacho. The other strokes are a different story...

Paul Smith
January 5th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Well, I don't think Schroeder ever lost a race to a Cal guy in his time as a Nacho. The other strokes are a different story...

Nice try Lil' Bear...although Per touched me out in the 100 fly I took Pelle down in the 100 free my senior year! NCAA's was however a different story! And team scores were a VERY different story!

Free beer by the way will be Shiner Bock donated by PWB!!

pwb
January 5th, 2011, 11:39 AM
Free beer by the way will be Shiner Bock donated by PWB!!Next time we're in Austin, you got it.

JimRude
January 5th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Nice try Lil' Bear...although Per touched me out in the 100 fly I took Pelle down in the 100 free my senior year! NCAA's was however a different story! And team scores were a VERY different story!

Free beer by the way will be Shiner Bock donated by PWB!!

I was going to make a joke about us just sending our "B" team down, but since both Par and Pelle were there, I can't... My freshman year was when we started our streak of losing dual meets to 'furd (probably now at 28 years and counting). By the time I was a senior, both Par and Pelle let us know that they used to send the "B" team to the Farm.:bitching:

I don't care who provides the beer, if it's free.:chug:

jaadams1
January 11th, 2011, 07:59 PM
The 2011 U.S. Masters Swimming Spring National Championship will be held at the new state of the art Kino Jr. High Aquatics Complex in Mesa, AZ. The order of events (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/events.php) for the meet are available now. Full details of the meet will be available here in January and in the January/February issue of SWIMMER magazine.


Yes, yes...I know January isn't yet halfway over, but anyone know any more info as to when the meet info/entries may be available? Thank you. :bow:

orca1946
January 15th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Well, I have chosen my 6 events !:applaud::banana:

ElaineK
January 15th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Well, I have chosen my 6 events !:applaud::banana:

And, they are??? I'll know what age group to find you in, at least! :D

Paul Smith
January 16th, 2011, 08:49 AM
Layout of facility

jaadams1
January 16th, 2011, 12:36 PM
Layout of facility

Cool...looks like there are waterslides...will they be available for cool down between races!!????!! :banana: Us youngings from the cold country get crazy in the sun!!

Paul Smith
January 18th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Registration for the open water event that will be held on Saturday by DCB Adventures is now open: www.dcbadventures.com

Event Description
This first race of the series starts us off at Saguaro Lake. Get ready to set a great time to work from for the entire series!

The quick details:

1000m loop course
2000m swim will run first and complete prior to the start of the 4000m swim
We have stairs for the swim exit!
1000, 2000 or 4000 meter open water swim distances OR combine the 1000 and 4000 to compete in this year's 5K distance (times will be added together)

Registration
Online Registration Closes Thursday
April 28th at 11:59pm

$40.00 - Regulary Entry online until April 23rd at 11:59pm

$45.00 - Late Entry online until April 28th at 11:59pm (close of online registration)

$50.00 - Race Day Registration

Course Description
The venue is located at Key Hole Recreation area at the Saguaro Lake Marina. You will be shuttled to the venue from Water Users Parking lot, just west of the Stewart Mountain Dam road. There is NO PARKING at the venue, so please plan accordingly. Shuttles will be running all event to get you to and from your vehicle. The access to the water is a brand new dock at the far east end of the Key Hole.

The course for this event will be a 1000m rectangular course. The counter-clockwise rectangular course will be marked with large tetrahedron shaped buoy’s and both the Start and Finish will be in water. the 4000m swim will swim 4 laps, 2000m, 2 laps. Average water temperature is right around the mid 70's.

We built a staircase for the exit, so no climbing over rocks to get out of the lake!

Divisions & Awards
There are four Divisions for the 2011 Arizona Open Water Swim Series:

1000m wetsuit and non-wetsuit
2000m wetsuit and non-wetsuit
4000m wetsuit and non-wetsuit
5000m Calculated wetsuit and non-wetsuit
Each event, we will give every finisher a commemorative award. Swimmers will collect series points where first place receives 10 points, second 9 points and so on... At the end of the season at Tempe Town Lake, Overall Series Awards will be given... Sorry, the skateboards are not going to be the overall awards again, We have another cool item we hope you will like! Swimmers need to have competed in at least 3 events to be eligible.

Schedule of Events
7:00am Late Registration and check-in at the Venue
8:15am Open Water Swim Clinic - Swimotion
8:25am All 1000m swimmers to the water
8:30am 1000 meter start - Wetsuit Division
8:35am 1000 meter start - Non-wetsuit Division
9:00am 2000 meter start - Wetsuit Division
9:05am 2000 meter start - Non-wetsuit Division
10:00am 4000 meter start - Wetsuit Division
10:05am 4000 meter start - Non-Wetsuit Division
Results will be posted at the event as well as on the website

Body marking will be available all morning. For timing purposes it is very important to have the back of your hand numbered.

JimRude
January 18th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Layout of facility

Will the meet organizers provide EZ-Ups for visiting teams, or should we buy/bring our own?

Paul Smith
January 19th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Will the meet organizers provide EZ-Ups for visiting teams, or should we buy/bring our own?

There is the "Tall Paul" tent and beer gardens by invite only...and for the record I've been keeping a list and checking it twice for the last 12 months to determine entry!! :)

bzaks1424
January 19th, 2011, 11:20 AM
There is the "Tall Paul" tent and beer gardens by invite only...and for the record I've been keeping a list and checking it twice for the last 12 months to determine entry!! :)

How does one "make the cut" into the Tall Paul tent and beer gardens? I might not swim fast - but I'm willing to make an extra effort if it gets me into a beer garden after my last event! :-D

Paul Smith
January 22nd, 2011, 04:58 PM
Ok....so truth be told as much as I would like to have my own special beer tent it wont be happening at the pool. It will however be happening on Saturday night at the MGD 64/Outback Steakhouse Social!

In addition the Diamondbacks are going to be playing 3 consecutive home games starting on Friday night, ticket info to come soon....If however you happen to be an official and interested in helping us out at the meet you will be invited to join us at a luxury suite for the Friday night game (PM me for info)!

Golf-land, laser tag and go-kart racing info soon to come!

JimRude
January 22nd, 2011, 09:58 PM
There is the "Tall Paul" tent and beer gardens by invite only...and for the record I've been keeping a list and checking it twice for the last 12 months to determine entry!! :)

Do I need size 15 flip flops and a wife beater?

Paul Smith
January 23rd, 2011, 09:54 AM
Do I need size 15 flip flops and a wife beater?

Just so long as there is nothing with the Cal emblem/mascot showing!

By the way, just posted information in the Event section about our hosting the Southwest Zone-Arizona State Championships April 1-3....nice chance to try out the pool before Nationals!

orca1946
January 24th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Sorry that is just b 4 our state meet here in Illinois.

bzaks1424
January 24th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Do I need size 15 flip flops and a wife beater?

Interestingly enough - I do wear size 15! :D
*Sad addendum to previous comment: I still can't kick for :censor:


Just so long as there is nothing with the Cal emblem/mascot showing!

By the way, just posted information in the Event section about our hosting the Southwest Zone-Arizona State Championships April 1-3....nice chance to try out the pool before Nationals!

Champs and Nats? Paul - you're one brave soul! If I can find an RT flight for less than $100 from Chicago Area, I'm totally in.

Paul Smith
January 25th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Interestingly enough - I do wear size 15! :D
*Sad addendum to previous comment: I still can't kick for :censor:



Champs and Nats? Paul - you're one brave soul! If I can find an RT flight for less than $100 from Chicago Area, I'm totally in.

Thats only 1/2 the "big picture"! Memorial Day weekend we have partnered with Sun Devil Aquatics to host the Arizona Shootout....a 4 day, prelims/finals meet that is dual sanctioned...and has $$ super finals in 3 events!

After that the paltry 800+ swimmer LC age group states in July....

then I sleep for 6 months!

PS: Everyone coming to AZ should always check Allegiant Air that flys into Phoenix-Gateway. For example, I've seen RT flights to Bend Oregon for $49 each way!

Paul Smith
January 25th, 2011, 01:04 PM
We are adding more hotels...as of today 50% of the hotels are completely sold out.

As a reminder this info is located at: http://www.mesasports.org/links/sums_hotels/

orca1946
January 25th, 2011, 01:05 PM
My wife just booked with United - 2 round trips from Ohare for $500.

orca1946
January 30th, 2011, 02:07 PM
I wonder how United treats medical cancelations for tickets ?

Paul Smith
February 23rd, 2011, 06:42 PM
We are now ready to begin accepting reservations for those folks looking to rent pop-up tents at the meet! Cost for one 10' x 10' is $100 for the duration of the meet.

The location of the pop-ups will be the prime grassy area at the north end of the pool just behind the bleachers which you can see in the photo in my earlier post (inside the deck area not outside in the location designated as "team area"). Anyone coming with their own pop-ups can set them up on the grassy area on the northeast side of the pool.

If you are interested please email me and we will get the request processed. This space is on a first come first serve basis!

Thanks Paul
paul.smith.tpa@gmail.com

pwb
February 23rd, 2011, 08:53 PM
We are now ready to begin accepting reservations for those folks looking to rent pop-up tents at the meet! Cost for one 10' x 10' is $100 for the duration of the meet.

The location of the pop-ups will be the prime grassy area at the north end of the pool just behind the bleachers which you can see in the photo in my earlier post (inside the deck area not outside in the location designated as "team area"). Anyone coming with their own pop-ups can set them up on the grassy area on the northeast side of the pool.

If you are interested please email me and we will get the request processed. This space is on a first come first serve basis!

Thanks Paul
paul.smith.tpa@gmail.comDo we need to reserve space if we're bringing our own?

aquageek
February 24th, 2011, 08:16 AM
Do we need to reserve space if we're bringing our own?

How much are you charging for interlopers? I will bring you more gifts.

pwb
February 24th, 2011, 09:13 AM
How much are you charging for interlopers? I will bring you more gifts.Once my parents and I set down our chairs, my tent is free on a first-come, first-served basis (no bribery or cold hard cash required).

bzaks1424
February 24th, 2011, 09:23 AM
Once my parents and I set down our chairs, my tent is free on a first-come, first-served basis (no bribery or cold hard cash required).

Does paying off the officials during your races count as a bribe?

Paul Smith
February 24th, 2011, 10:57 AM
Do we need to reserve space if we're bringing our own?

PWB....Arizona has a team areas reserved!

aquageek
February 24th, 2011, 11:28 AM
PWB....Arizona has a team areas reserved!

You can find it directly under the flags made from Smith's vast collection of wife beaters.

Paul Smith
February 25th, 2011, 05:58 PM
OK....all 26 spaces for reserved pop-ups sold out in 36 hours. looking at other options and will keep you posted.

jaadams1
February 25th, 2011, 06:42 PM
OK....all 26 spaces for reserved pop-ups sold out in 36 hours. looking at other options and will keep you posted.


I'm gonna opt for hanging out in the sun!! We don't know what sun is (at least the warm variety) here in eastern Washington until at least mid June!! :bliss:

Paul Smith
February 27th, 2011, 06:19 PM
I'm gonna opt for hanging out in the sun!! We don't know what sun is (at least the warm variety) here in eastern Washington until at least mid June!! :bliss:

And a reminder that the bleachers are covered as well...

pwb
February 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM
I'm gonna opt for hanging out in the sun!! We don't know what sun is (at least the warm variety) here in eastern Washington until at least mid June!! :bliss:


And a reminder that the bleachers are covered as well...

... and that our local outpost of the Mayo Clinic has melanoma experts (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-23/health/mccain.health.records_1_mccain-cm-margin-melanoma?_s=PM:HEALTH) so James you can reserve a spot there for a few years down the road if you do decide to hang out in the sun.

Please take our sun very seriously.

jaadams1
February 27th, 2011, 10:21 PM
... and that our local outpost of the Mayo Clinic has melanoma experts (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-23/health/mccain.health.records_1_mccain-cm-margin-melanoma?_s=PM:HEALTH) so James you can reserve a spot there for a few years down the road if you do decide to hang out in the sun.

Please take our sun very seriously.


:)
I was planning on taking it easy in the sun. I know how it can be, and skin cancer does run in my family history. I'll go for medium cooked, but well done is too much. :banana:

ddskier63
February 28th, 2011, 10:31 AM
How long does a typical Nationals swim meet last? I would like to fly home on Saturday after my last event but I'm afraid to book a flight without knowing approximately when I should be finished. :bolt:

barryf
February 28th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Some Spring Nationals are over early and others last a long time. In 2003, we had 1,922 swimmers in Tempe, with two 8-lane courses, and Saturday lasted til about 5 pm. Mesa will have two 9-lane course so the meet will run faster. Also,the events on Saturday are different than Tempe. After entries close, an estimated time-line will be published on the USMS website.

orca1946
March 1st, 2011, 05:13 PM
SO - I might be the last swimmer out of the pool? :cane:
I always am at swim team practice!!!!!

orca1946
March 1st, 2011, 07:12 PM
O K !! I just pulled the trigger & signed up for 6 events at Nationals!!:banana:

Doug Adamavich
March 4th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Some other ideas just in the Valley of the Sun metro area:


There's also at least a dozen great-to-do eating establishments here, chief among them Pizza Bianco (NYTimes best pizza in America, http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/its-pizza-oscar-for-bianco-says-rachael-ray/), my favorite burger and shake at Zinburger (http://www.foxrestaurantconcepts.com/zinburger.html) and my personal splurge dining favorite at Binkley's (http://binkleysrestaurant.com/).
Phoenix New Times online edition is a great source for Valley of the Sun eating, entertainment and events (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/).
Hiking fans sticking around after the meet have multiple places to choose from in greater metro area and the local paper's online edition is a great source for hikes (http://www.azcentral.com/travel/hiking/).



If you like wine, there are some surprisingly good wineries north of town. Here is a link to the map:

http://www.arizonavinesandwines.com/resources/Northern_Arizona_Wine_Tour.pdf

Oh, and the ones in the Cottonwood/Clarkdale/Cornville area are only a short drive from Sedona.

ddskier63
March 4th, 2011, 04:52 PM
If my last event on Saturday is 50 Breaststroke (event 26), would I be safe to book a return flight at 5:00pm?

pwb
March 4th, 2011, 06:57 PM
If my last event on Saturday is 50 Breaststroke (event 26), would I be safe to book a return flight at 5:00pm?While a timeline will be published, you'll probably need to book your flight (especially with what's happening with airfares these days) before that comes out. If I were you, I'd look at the timelines from Atlanta and Clovis (links below) and build an estimated timeline for this meet. I would imagine that the meet numbers are going to be in the range of those meets and certainly not larger. The order of events is different, but it shouldn't be hard to estimate a Mesa timeline from these data.

http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats10/timeline.pdf

http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats09/timeline.pdf

If you are renting car from the Phoenix airport, though, make sure to budget enough time. Like most big city airports, we have one of those off airport centralized parking structures that absurdly make it a pain-in-the-*** for our visitors to arrive and depart when renting a car.

orca1946
March 7th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Thanx for the car rental tip.

AnnG
March 8th, 2011, 05:51 AM
If my last event on Saturday is 50 Breaststroke (event 26), would I be safe to book a return flight at 5:00pm?

I would definitely book a later flight . . .

orca1946
March 8th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Ask your self this - if I am late in car returns & get stuck in security lines, what do I do now??

ddskier63
March 8th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Thanks for the travel/airport info. Since the latest flight I can book is 6:30pm with a plane change and 4 hours of travel for a 1.25hr. flight, I chose to stay another night. The additional expense may be worth incurring rather than the increase in anxiety.:applaud:

ElaineK
March 8th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Thanks for the travel/airport info. Since the latest flight I can book is 6:30pm with a plane change and 4 hours of travel for a 1.25hr. flight, I chose to stay another night. The additional expense may be worth incurring rather than the increase in anxiety.:applaud:

We made the same choice; a good move, I think. Besides, now you can :chug: on your last night and celebrate! :banana:

orca1946
March 9th, 2011, 10:12 AM
So after the last events of Sun. , where do we meet & celebrate????:chug:

ElaineK
March 9th, 2011, 12:11 PM
So after the last events of Sun. , where do we meet & celebrate????:chug:

There is a small group of us Forumites who have chosen a place to meet. I'll send you a PM, so we can avoid party-crashers ruining our fun. We would rather keep this celebration a positive one!! :banana:

aquageek
March 9th, 2011, 12:36 PM
There is a small group of us Forumites who have chosen a place to meet. I'll send you a PM, so we can avoid party-crashers ruining our fun. We would rather keep this celebration a positive one!!

There's really no need to hide the location - corner of Lame Town Road and Whiny Avenue. Party still start at boredom o'clock?

ElaineK
March 9th, 2011, 02:04 PM
There's really no need to hide the location - corner of Lame Town Road and Whiny Avenue. Party still start at boredom o'clock?

Orca, I'm sure you can see who is on the "Not To Invite" list- and why... :censor:

aquageek
March 9th, 2011, 04:09 PM
Orca, I'm sure you can see who is on the "Not To Invite" list- and why

I feel so ostracized. And, another vicious personal attack to boot. The humanity.

JimRude
March 9th, 2011, 10:38 PM
I feel so ostracized. And, another vicious personal attack to boot. The humanity.

:D

ddskier63
March 11th, 2011, 12:52 AM
Let me know where the small, intimate parties are happenin' as I am travelling to this gig by myself. No coach, no family, no teammates. Still looking for some entertainment and relaxation. Would love to meet some fellow "water weenies.":banana::banana:

orca1946
March 11th, 2011, 04:24 PM
A place to compete is in the poll, not to bash each other out of it!:2cents:

Paul Smith
March 14th, 2011, 10:10 PM
looks like we are right at 1000 entries...party Mesa is on!!

james lucas
March 17th, 2011, 07:37 PM
What kind of parking will be available at the facility for cars?

Paul Smith
March 20th, 2011, 10:02 AM
What kind of parking will be available at the facility for cars?

Primary parking area will be the athletic fields to the west of the facility, there are also spaces in the school parking lot and with the exception of Sunday the church parking lot to the north.

orca1946
March 20th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Paul the pool of info for us out of towner! Thanx:applaud:

knelson
March 21st, 2011, 11:18 AM
I know the usual caveat is that men and women may be seeded together in the 1000 and 1650 free events. However, assuming men and women are seeded separately will men be in one end of the pool and women in the other, or will the men's events precede the women's?

I'm trying to determine how early I need to get into Phoenix Thursday to make sure I'll make it to my heat of the 1650. I'd prefer to fly in Thursday a.m. rather than Wednesday.

barryf
March 21st, 2011, 11:58 AM
Assuming men and women are seeded separately, the men will swim the 1650 (odd heats in one course and even heats in the other course) first. Then the women will swim the 1650.

knelson
March 21st, 2011, 12:20 PM
OK, thanks Barry. This tells me I better take the earliest flight possible.

jeffkuykendall
March 22nd, 2011, 01:17 PM
I have a quick question. My wife, a non swimmer, will be coming with me to Mesa. I already entered the meet, but I would like to get her a gold medal sponsorship, especially since Chik-Fil-A is going to be there! How do I go about ordering another one?

Thanks

jim clemmons
March 22nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
I have a quick question. My wife, a non swimmer, will be coming with me to Mesa. I already entered the meet, but I would like to get her a gold medal sponsorship, especially since Chik-Fil-A is going to be there! How do I go about ordering another one?

Thanks

Jeff,

Contact Tracy Grilli -> tracyswims at mindspring dot com

She can point you in the right direction.

orca1946
March 22nd, 2011, 07:00 PM
I can be a chicken taste tester if one is needed??!!:applaud::banana:

knelson
March 25th, 2011, 12:43 PM
I'm curious whether Janet Evans entered or not.

orca1946
March 25th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Hey Kirk ! What are you swimming @ National I would like to meet you after all the talks on line ! OZ:chug:

knelson
March 25th, 2011, 10:22 PM
Hey Kirk ! What are you swimming @ National I would like to meet you after all the talks on line ! OZ:chug:

I'll be there every day. I'm swimming the 1650 Thursday, the 400 IM Friday, the 200 fly and 200 free on Sat and the 500 free and 200 IM on Sunday.

jaadams1
March 25th, 2011, 11:17 PM
I'll be there every day. I'm swimming the 1650 Thursday, the 400 IM Friday, the 200 fly and 200 free on Sat and the 500 free and 200 IM on Sunday.

We've got four events in common Kirk! I'm only there on Saturday and Sunday, and in addition to your days' events, I'm also doing the 100 Fly, and 100 Back.

orca1946
March 28th, 2011, 03:40 PM
O K !! I'm in the 1000 on thur. Also in the 500 -400 Im & all three fly events.

Dale22
March 29th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Does anyone know have details about how the hotel shuttles work? / number/time of trips etc...

bzaks1424
March 31st, 2011, 08:25 PM
If anyone wants to follow the meet on their Android / iPhone; a company called "Big Fish Software" has released an app called "Live Results". I've only played with it for a few minutes, but it seems pretty decent.

iPhone: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/live-results/id325958282?mt=8

Android: http://www.appbrain.com/app/live-results/com.bigfishsoftware.liveresults

bzaks1424
March 31st, 2011, 08:40 PM
If anyone wants to follow the meet on their Android / iPhone; a company called "Big Fish Software" has released an app called "Live Results". I've only played with it for a few minutes, but it seems pretty decent.

iPhone: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/live-results/id325958282?mt=8

Android: http://www.appbrain.com/app/live-results/com.bigfishsoftware.liveresults

Actually - I didn't see a live results link

Will there be live results?

orca1946
April 3rd, 2011, 08:56 PM
WOW ! I hope the present heat wave is gone by the time we swim !!:chillpill:

BigJim
April 5th, 2011, 02:51 PM
I don't see a meet timeline posted yet. Anyone know when that may be available?

jroddin
April 7th, 2011, 09:28 AM
I don't see a meet timeline posted yet. Anyone know when that may be available?

We should have the estimated timeline available on Monday (April 11).

Jeff

BrettMac
April 8th, 2011, 04:48 PM
AHHHHHHHHH this years meet is FAST:afraid:!!! I guess I should start getting back into shape and go to practice... Should definitely be a good/interesting time!!!!!!

orca1946
April 8th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Hurry ! You have 3 weeks till it starts !

jaadams1
April 8th, 2011, 07:39 PM
AHHHHHHHHH this years meet is FAST:afraid:!!! I guess I should start getting back into shape and go to practice... Should definitely be a good/interesting time!!!!!!

You're just now wondering if you're in shape enough???? Uh-ohhhh!! May want to cancel the airplane reservation now!!

jroddin
April 13th, 2011, 12:03 PM
I don't see a meet timeline posted yet. Anyone know when that may be available?

Sorry for the delay - the timeline is now available:
http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/timeline.pdf

Heat sheets for pre-seeded events are also posted (thanks, Jim!):
http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/heats/

Jeff

orca1946
April 13th, 2011, 12:13 PM
Thanx for the info to help me plan :applaud:

Chris Stevenson
April 14th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Heat sheets for pre-seeded events are also posted (thanks, Jim!):
http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/heats/

Sigh...I don't have scroll down as much as I used to...stupid aging process!

knelson
April 14th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Sigh...I don't have scroll down as much as I used to...stupid aging process!

I hear you. I used to look at the timeline and use the start of the following event as the guideline for when I'd be swimming. That's probably not such a good idea anymore.

orca1946
April 14th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Since I'm new to this, do the age groups always swim in the same heat? Regular meets have us according to the times closest to us.
I think it is cool to race your age group as much as possible in your heat/heats.

barryf
April 14th, 2011, 05:23 PM
Full heats of each age group are swum together. The heats for are posted for the 50, 100 and 200 at:
http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/heats/

swimmj
April 15th, 2011, 01:22 PM
Sigh...I don't have scroll down as much as I used to...stupid aging process!

I sat next to two women in Austin who were swimming the 100 fly and at 60 to 64, they were in the third heat, which they commented on. I guess I will know I am old when I swim first heat at nats.....

MJ

orca1946
April 15th, 2011, 05:18 PM
I thought they put the "stars of the show" 1st !!:)

jroddin
April 18th, 2011, 08:17 AM
Sigh...I don't have scroll down as much as I used to...stupid aging process!

My Dad had the best line ever a couple years ago. He said he went behind the blocks to get ready for his race and when he looked around he thought to himself, "what are all of these old guys doing in my heat?" :angel:

orca1946
April 18th, 2011, 12:01 PM
I say why are these young guys in my heat!!:bolt:

Kurt Dickson
April 24th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Not too late to sign up for open water (preferably 4000 meters) on Saturday you light weights (and a great opportunity to ruin your 200 Free later that day and all other events on Sunday):)

http://www.dcbadventures.com/Events/Swimming

Kind of feel bad as I think the organizer picked this weekend based on affiliated swim with nationals. The event has become soley USMS sanctioned (no triathlon sanctioning except for under 18), then USMS not only takes all local swimmers, but barely promotes it.

Definitely the prettiest venue of the series and kids 14 and under are FREE (except I think one day tri license--5 dollars for kids).

jaadams1
April 24th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Not too late to sign up for open water (preferably 4000 meters) on Saturday you light weights (and a great opportunity to ruin your 200 Free later that day and all other events on Sunday):)

http://www.dcbadventures.com/Events/Swimming

Kind of feel bad as I think the organizer picked this weekend based on affiliated swim with nationals. The event has become soley USMS sanctioned (no triathlon sanctioning except for under 18), then USMS not only takes all local swimmers, but barely promotes it.

Definitely the prettiest venue of the series and kids 14 and under are FREE (except I think one day tri license--5 dollars for kids).

You're right about that lack of participants...
As of 4/24:
The 1000 M swim has 11 participants, the 2000M has 39, and the 4000M has 19 people. There are 5 14 & unders registered too. :applaud:

pwb
April 25th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Not too late to sign up for open water (preferably 4000 meters) on Saturday you light weights (and a great opportunity to ruin your 200 Free later that day and all other events on Sunday):)

http://www.dcbadventures.com/Events/Swimming

Kind of feel bad as I think the organizer picked this weekend based on affiliated swim with nationals. The event has become soley USMS sanctioned (no triathlon sanctioning except for under 18), then USMS not only takes all local swimmers, but barely promotes it.

Definitely the prettiest venue of the series and kids 14 and under are FREE (except I think one day tri license--5 dollars for kids).I agree with Kurt that this is an awesome venue for an OW swim.

I'd also said before, though, that having it Saturday during Nationals was a bad idea. Monday might have drawn more attendees from USMS, I think??

orca1946
April 26th, 2011, 04:12 PM
O K I'm checked in for the 3 distance events !!

jroddin
April 27th, 2011, 08:21 AM
For those spectators "watching" from home (more likely watching from work...), here is the link for Real Time results:

http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats11/realtime/

pwolf66
April 27th, 2011, 01:08 PM
To everyone competing this weekend:

Have fun and swim fast!!!!! I will miss hanging out with all the wonderful folks of USMS.

See you in Greensboro!!!

Paul

bzaks1424
April 27th, 2011, 04:36 PM
For all of you whom I'd love an opportunity to meet: I'll be there all 4 days probably wearing an orange shirt (Team LIB represent!) - also if I know you're swimming - I promise you'll hear me on deck :D If nothing else - look for the cheap aviators and a 6'3 frame making a lot of noise. :rofl:

Jimbosback
April 27th, 2011, 10:03 PM
I'd like to meet some forumites too. I'll be wearing a blue hat with 'CCN' on it. Good luck to all swimming, and see you there! :cheerleader:

Lump
April 27th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Good luck everyone! Especially my GAJA teamates! Wish I was there!

BTW, none of you 35-39 guys go faster than my current top 10 times please! :thhbbb:

ElaineK
April 28th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Good luck everyone! Especially my GAJA teamates! Wish I was there!

BTW, none of you 35-39 guys go faster than my current top 10 times please! :thhbbb:

Thanks, Lump! Tomorrow, GAJA will be represented in a mixed free relay. We have just enough people to put this together, so it will be me ( :afraid: ) and Malena, along with the Beatty brothers. (I'm waaaay out of my league!) On Saturday, we'll be back at it again in the mixed relay.

The atmosphere at the pool was great today and it was fun cheering bzaks1424 on in the 1650! Debaru came out to watch and join in :cheerleader:, as well.

Good luck fellow Forumites!

Cheers!
:chug:
Elaine-iaK

jaadams1
April 28th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Good luck to all and see everyone on Saturday. I'll be flying down on Friday afternoon to Phoenix. Since I don't have one of those "cool" phones (my phone will allow me to make phone calls), I won't be able to post anything till I get to a real computer, which will more than likely be Monday evening. :)

ElaineK
April 28th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Good luck to all and see everyone on Saturday. I'll be flying down on Friday afternoon to Phoenix. Since I don't have one of those "cool" phones (my phone will allow me to make phone calls), I won't be able to post anything till I get to a real computer, which will more than likely be Monday evening. :)

Hey James! I'm looking forward to meeting you at the pool. I will be :cheerleader:for you! Good luck!!

jaadams1
April 28th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Hey James! I'm looking forward to meeting you at the pool. I will be :cheerleader:for you! Good luck!!

Sounds good...I can probably use a little :cheerleader: with all those speedy 30 year old kids in my heats!!

matysekj
April 29th, 2011, 01:35 PM
For those following the realtime results, they are having a hard time with their Internet connection on the pool deck and are only able to get heat results up every few heats, especially for the shorter events. We apologize for the inconvenience.

bzaks1424
May 2nd, 2011, 12:39 AM
Congratulations to everyone who participated at a very successful nationals run by Paul Smith! He has a lot to be proud of and the Mesa area has definite set a precedent to be followed for years to come!

-Michael P.

P.S. Elaine says hey! :D :rofl:

Paul Smith
May 2nd, 2011, 06:13 PM
For those following the realtime results, they are having a hard time with their Internet connection on the pool deck and are only able to get heat results up every few heats, especially for the shorter events. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Damn public schools and their internet filters! No Facebook, no porn, no masters swimming results....go figure!

ElaineK
May 3rd, 2011, 12:39 AM
Damn public schools and their internet filters! No Facebook, no porn, no masters swimming results....go figure!


:D I enjoyed meeting you, Paul! Great job with the meet!! :applaud:

Chris Stevenson
May 3rd, 2011, 06:34 AM
Damn public schools and their internet filters! No Facebook, no porn, no masters swimming results....go figure!

You couldn't do anything about the sun and wind, either. What good were you, anyway? Admit it:you were just there as the window dressing...

Nice job with the meet.

pwolf66
May 3rd, 2011, 08:55 AM
Admit it:you were just there as the window dressing...


There are so many things wrong with this statement......

bzaks1424
May 3rd, 2011, 01:23 PM
There are so many things wrong with this statement......

And so many things right all the same.....

knelson
May 3rd, 2011, 02:17 PM
Huge thanks and props to Paul. When a meet runs like clockwork--as this one did--you know there was a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Also, Paul, thank all the other volunteers and especially those working the awards table. On Sunday afternoon people were descending on the area like vultures trying to pick up their final medals before catching their flights. The awards table people were obviously harried a little, but did a good job keeping their cool!

orca1946
May 3rd, 2011, 04:48 PM
:applaud::applaud:It was nice to meet Paul after all the questions I had asked him in the last 6 months. What a great meet! If I ever go again this meet will always be my fav of ALL ti:bow::bow:me!

pwolf66
May 4th, 2011, 09:13 AM
From an outsider looking in, it truely looks like the Mesa folks put on quite an event. Congratulations to all the folks who made such a meet possible!!!!!

orca1946
May 5th, 2011, 12:13 AM
How can I contact Paul Smith? orca1946@hotmail.com OzOsborne

bzaks1424
May 5th, 2011, 12:14 AM
How can I contact Paul Smith?

He's on the forums as "Paul Smith" - a PM probably would work fine.

Ahelee Sue Osborn
May 5th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Admit it:you were just there as the window dressing...
Nice job with the meet.

Nice window dressing and sensational starting blocks in Mesa!

Thanks also for the extra day of swimming Paul!

swimmj
May 5th, 2011, 01:47 PM
My Dad had the best line ever a couple years ago. He said he went behind the blocks to get ready for his race and when he looked around he thought to himself, "what are all of these old guys doing in my heat?" :angel:

Love it! Friends of mine said to each other, "OMG, we are almost in the first heat of the 100 fly...remember when we were in the last heats?"

MJ

orca1946
May 6th, 2011, 12:42 AM
Yeah, the 3rd step up to the top of the blocks took some getting used to.