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ande
October 16th, 2009, 01:49 PM
2009 FINA/ARENA Swimming World Cup 2009 Series (http://www.fina.org/project/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=107&Itemid=541)

16 – 17 October 2009 Durban (RSA) RESULTS (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/index.htm)

23 – 25 October 2009 Rio de Janeiro (BRA) (cancelled)

6 – 7 November 2009 Moscow (RUS)

10 – 11 November 2009 Stockholm (SWE)

14 – 15 November 2009 Berlin (GER)

21 – 22 November 2009 Singapore (SIN)

the site wrote:
"We would like to remind you that every swimmer participating to the FINA/ARENA Swimming World Cup 2009 Series shall only wear a swimsuit approved by FINA as published on the FINA website.

ande
October 16th, 2009, 01:53 PM
I almost forgot, the world is still wearing suits till 1/1/10

Ande

Men's 100 free

WR 44.94 21.72 LEVEAUX Amaury FRA Rijeka (CRO) 13 DEC 2008
WC 45.83 22.09 NYSTRAND Stefan SWE Berlin (GER) 17 NOV 2007

1 3 FESIKOV Sergey RUS 0.74 (4) 46.30 22.33 23.97
2 4 NYSTRAND Stefan SWE 0.70 (2) 46.53 22.16 24.37
3 8 FERNS Lyndon RSA 0.67 (1) 46.57 21.98 24.59
4 5 DEIBLER Steffen GER 0.68 (3) 46.65 22.20 24.45
5 7 TOWNSEND Darian RSA 0.70 (5) 47.29 22.46 24.83
6 6 ROTHSANTOS Guilherme BRA 0.74 (6) 47.32 22.69 24.63
7 2 GRABICH Federico ARG 0.74 (7) 47.71 23.01 24.70
8 1 MEICHTRY Dominik SUI 0.73 (8) 48.77 23.51 25.26



Men's 50m Butterfly FINAL Schoeman very close in the 50 fly
Record Name NOC Code Location Date
WR 22.18 LEVEAUX Amaury FRA Rijeka (CRO) 14 DEC 2008
WC 22.50 JAUKOVIC Matija MNE Sydney (AUS) 25 OCT 2008

1 4 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA 0.64 22.32 WC
2 5 DEIBLER Steffen GER 0.71 22.40 0.08
3 6 FERNS Lyndon RSA 0.69 22.90 0.58
4 7 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS 0.73 22.96 0.64
5 2 MUHAMMAD Sabir USA 0.81 23.03 0.71
6 1 ROTHSANTOS Guilherme BRA 0.75 23.23 0.91
7 3 TUNE Garth RSA 0.66 23.40 1.08
8 8 WATSON Neil RSA 0.74 24.00 1.68


this is quite a surprise to me, I didn't know schoeman swam breastroke great start RT

Men's 50m Breaststroke
WR 25.43 VAN DEN BURGH Cameron RSA Pietermaritzburg (RSA) 8 AUG 2009
WC 25.94 VAN DEN BURGH Cameron RSA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2008

1 1 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA 0.64 25.90 1060 WC
2 4 VD BURGH Cameron RSA 0.66 25.94 1055
3 5 VERSFELD Neil RSA 0.63 26.47 993
4 3 FISCHER Eduardo BRA 0.74 26.88 948
5 6 ZANDBERG Gerhard RSA 0.67 26.89 947
6 2 FELDWEHR Hendrik GER 0.71 27.20 915
7 7 MOEKETSANE Thabang RSA 0.74 27.66 870
8 8 LANGLEY Christopher RSA 0.69 27.76 861

ande
October 17th, 2009, 05:41 PM
new WRs

Women's 50m Butterfly
WR 24.99 GUEHRER Marieke AUS Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008
WC 24.99 GUEHRER Marieke AUS Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008
1 4 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE 0.73 24.75 1076 WR
2 3 GUEHRER Marieke AUS 0.70 25.07 1035
3 5 SCHREUDER Hinkelien NED 0.79 25.50 984
3 7 DEKKER Inge NED 0.80 25.50 984
5 6 GALVEZ Felicity AUS 0.72 25.54 979
6 1 SJΦSTRΦM Sarah SWE 0.79 25.96 932
6 8 JACKSON Lara USA 0.63 25.96 932


Women's 50m Breaststroke
WR 29.58 HARDY Jessica A USA Manchester (GBR) 10 APR 2008
WC 29.86 ARTEMYEVA Valentina RUS Moscow (RUS) 9 NOV 2008
1 5 HARDY Jessica USA 0.70 29.45 1054 WR
2 4 VOGEL Kerstin GER 0.77 30.57 942


Men's 50m Backstroke
WR 22.87 BAL Randall USA Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008
WC 22.87 BAL Randall USA Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008
1 4 MARSHALL Peter USA 0.61 22.75 1058 WR
2 3 DONETS Stanislav RUS 0.71 23.63 944
3 7 DELANEY Ashley AUS 0.52 23.74 931
4 6 ZANDBERG Gerhard RSA 0.65 23.87 916

rtodd
October 17th, 2009, 06:15 PM
Jessica Hardy beat my 50SCM free time doing breast.......argh.

Ahelee Sue Osborn
October 17th, 2009, 10:37 PM
I've been watching all the livestream... but the stream is pretty stop & go. Durban, South Africa is far away afterall.

Still totally worth it.
Some stops have shown cool technique highlights.

I think there are clips available to watch after the live show.

How close DO the knees have to be in the new breastroke kick?

How far off each wall are they SDKing in SCM?

I LOVE walls, turns - and most especially flipturns!

Clips are at:
http://www.universalsports.com/mediaPlayer/media.dbml?SPID=11652&DB_OEM_ID=23000&id=654331&db_oem_id=23000

Link to Day 2 seems to show all the days events.

Allen Stark
October 18th, 2009, 12:11 AM
I've been watching all the livestream... but the stream is pretty stop & go. Durban, South Africa is far away afterall.

Still totally worth it.
Some stops have shown cool technique highlights.

I think there are clips available to watch after the live show.

How close DO the knees have to be in the new breastroke kick?

How far off each wall are they SDKing in SCM?

God... I LOVE walls, turns - and most especially flipturns!

Where did you see the clips? I found some stuff on youtube but no underwater shots of any note.What are you seeing on BR kick?

ande
November 5th, 2009, 08:38 PM
russia begins

http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/index.htm


http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=347479.html#finaarena+swimming+world+cup+20 09

ande
November 6th, 2009, 09:27 AM
Day 1 Prelims are done & finals are happening right now
http://tr.im/omega

Live Results
http://tr.im/omegalive

ande
November 6th, 2009, 09:31 AM
jessica hardy
1:03.75 100 br

ande
November 8th, 2009, 10:11 AM
Event 21 Women's 50m Breaststroke

WR 29.45 HARDY Jessica A USA Durban (RSA) 17 OCT 2009
WC 29.45 HARDY Jessica A USA Durban (RSA) 17 OCT 2009


1 3 HARDY Jessica USA 29.36 1064 WR


Event 24 Men's 100m Butterfly

WR 49.07 22.76 CROCKER Ian USA New York (USA) 26 MAR 2004
WC 49.74 23.15 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008

1 5 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS (1) 23.07 48.99 1051 WR
25.92


Men's 200m Backstroke

WR 1:47.84 26.40 54.43 1:21.10 ROGAN Markus AUT Manchester (GBR) 13 APR 2008
WC 1:49.53 25.14 52.34 1:20.53 DU RAND George RSA Durban (RSA) 17 OCT 2009

1 6 DU RAND George RSA 0.71 (2) 25.52 (1) 52.59 (1) 1:19.57 1:47.08 1070 WR
27.07 26.98 27.51

Ahelee Sue Osborn
November 8th, 2009, 03:13 PM
The coverage on the World Cup Series has been fantastic!
The streaming video is covering the entire event.
Nice around the pool shots in and around the teams of spectating team mates between events.
Lots of race replay and varied angle shots.

Not a complaint, but I always wish they would hold the over head shots longer. And replay the entire race (at least the short events) underwater!
Its so fun to look at the strokes :)

Universal Sports just keeps getting better and better.
Great that Swimming World Magazine is working together with them.

Jessica Hardy says she is on the way to Stockholm... imagine this will be one of the best meets yet.

ande
November 10th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Stockholm has started prelims are done (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/index.htm)

ande
November 10th, 2009, 02:34 PM
phelps 16th in the 100 fr
hardy 9th in 100 br


Women's 100m Butterfly
1 4 GALVEZ Felicity AUS 0.70 (2) 26.05 29.41 55.46 1047 WR


Women's 50m Backstroke

WR 26.08 ZHAO Jing CHN Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009
WC 26.08 ZHAO Jing CHN Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 4 ZHAO Jing CHN 0.49 25.82 1100 WR
fast RT


Men's 200m Butterfly

WR 1:50.53 25.27 53.19 1:21.84 SKVORTSOV Nikolay RUS Saint Petersburg (RUS) 11 FEB 2009
WC 1:50.74 25.31 53.10 1:21.68 SKVORTSOV Nikolay RUS Moscow

1 4 ALMEIDA Kaio BRA 0.65 (2) 24.80 (2) 53.43 (1) 1:20.24 1:49.11 1059 WR
28.63 26.81 28.87


Women's 200m Individual Medley

WR 2:06.01 27.88 59.96 1:36.81 VERRASZTO Evelyn HUN Moscow (RUS) 6 NOV 2009
WC 2:06.01 27.88 59.96 1:36.81 VERRASZTO Evelyn HUN Moscow (RUS) 6 NOV 2009

1 4 BELMONTE Mireia ESP 0.87 (5) 28.35 (3) 1:00.74 (1) 1:36.50 2:06.44 1022
32.39 35.76 29.94

2 5 FRANKLIN Melissa USA 0.74
(4) 28.31
(1) 59.18 30.87
(3) 1:37.28 38.10
2:07.16 29.88

very respectable swim by missy franklin

ande
November 10th, 2009, 02:45 PM
anyone watch prelims?

are the americans wearing USA approved suits or FINA Approved suits?

ande
November 10th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Stockholm day 1 video (http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=6aa60f0f-db54-417c-8ddb-8008d953173e.html)

swimmers at world cup are having faster reaction times because of how the omega starting blocks (http://tr.im/swimblock) are built
the back section of the block is steeper like the track blocks that runners use
http://tr.im/swimblock

ande
November 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM
she knocked it down again

Preliminary Event No. 21 Women's 50m Breaststroke (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2009/Stockholm/C74A_ResSummary_21_Heats_Women_50_Breast.pdf)

WR 29.36 HARDY Jessica USA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009
WC 29.36 HARDY Jessica USA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009

1 4 4 HARDY Jessica 1987 USA 0.66 28.96 1108 Q WR

The Fortress
November 11th, 2009, 10:26 AM
she knocked it down again

Preliminary Event No. 21 Women's 50m Breaststroke (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2009/Stockholm/C74A_ResSummary_21_Heats_Women_50_Breast.pdf)

WR 29.36 HARDY Jessica USA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009
WC 29.36 HARDY Jessica USA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009

1 4 4 HARDY Jessica 1987 USA 0.66 28.96 1108 Q WR

That's unbelievably fast!

The Post on Phelps: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111017528.html

IntlSwmr
November 11th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Another interesting article from Amy Shipley of the Washington Post - on the postulated effects of the tech suits in short course, Phelps, Hardy and the French sprinters: http://reachforthewall.com/2009/11/11/phelps-fails-to-make-another-final/

Or, if you prefer to hear Craig Lord's evangelising (he seems to be quite dismissive of Jessica Hardy's performances as every report of his that I've read makes a mention either of her doping or wearing a "shiny suit"): http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/7299

BR KnuckleDragger
November 11th, 2009, 12:55 PM
[quote=The Fortress;198351]That's unbelievably fast!

Is Hardy being trained by Dave Salo? Is he the premier breaststroke coach in the world or do the best breaststrokers just go to him coincidently?

Wow, that is fast!

ande
November 11th, 2009, 02:03 PM
Marshall shaves a couple hundredths off his own WR again (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2009/Stockholm/C73A1_Res1Heat_126_Finals_1_Men_50_Back.pdf)

Men's 50m Backstroke

WR 22.75 MARSHALL Peter USA Durban (RSA) 17 OCT 2009
WC 22.75 MARSHALL Peter USA Durban (RSA) 17 OCT 2009

1 5 MARSHALL Peter USA 0.58 22.73 1061 WR

ande
November 13th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Berlin (GER) begins Saturday November 14 – Sunday 15 2009

Watch (http://www.universalsports.com/)

Results (http://tr.im/omega)

Live Results (http://tr.im/omegalive)

ande
November 14th, 2009, 06:37 AM
Berlin Day 1 prelims are done
here's some highlights

Event 15 Men's 100m Individual Medley

WR 51.15 23.77 LOCHTE Ryan USA Manchester (GBR) 13 APR 2008
WC 51.45 23.22 FESIKOV Sergey RUS Moscow (RUS) 6 NOV 2009

1 4 FESIKOV Sergey RUS 0.72 22.78 50.95 1065 WR


look at her reaction time

1 6 4 ALSHAMMAR Therese 1977 SWE 0.50 23.64

look at his reaction time

1 4 VERSFELD Neil RSA 0.31 27.32 58.26 1:29.95 2:02.56 1040 WC
30.94 31.69 32.61


biedermann's swimming the 400 fr


Diebler & schoeman race the 50fl
Event 17 Men's 50m Butterfly

WR 22.06 DEIBLER Steffen GER Aachen (GER) 24 OCT 2009
WC 22.08 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 6 4 DEIBLER Steffen 1987 GER 0.63 22.12 1052 Q
2 4 4 SCHOEMAN Roland 1980 RSA 0.63 22.18

ehoch
November 14th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Phelps looks silly ... but I think this will fuel him for next season. He is going to take the image of these beatings home and "repay" it next year.

Biedermann looked amazing - he just crushed the field. He is going to destroy Phelps in the 200 Free, if Phelps even makes the final....

ande
November 14th, 2009, 02:17 PM
Men's 50m Breaststroke

WR 25.43 VAN DEN BURGH Cameron RSA Pietermaritzburg (RSA) 8 AUG 2009
WC 25.58 VAN DER BURGH Cameron RSA Moscow (RUS) 6 NOV 2009

1 4 VAN DER BURGH Cameron RSA 0.64 25.25 1144 WR
2 5 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA 0.65 25.45 1117


Event 5 Women's 100m Breaststroke

WR 1:03.72 30.41 JONES Leisel AUS Canberra (AUS) 26 APR 2008
WC 1:03.74 30.42 JONES Leisel AUS Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 5 JONES Leisel AUS 0.79 (2) 30.05 1:03.00 1084 WR
32.95
2 4 HARDY Jessica USA 0.69 (1) 29.49 1:03.30 1068
33.81

TURNED LAST & WON, SUPER IMPRESSIVE SPLITTING
Event 7 Women's 100m Butterfly

WR 55.46 26.05 GALVEZ Felicity AUS Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009
WC 55.46 26.05 GALVEZ Felicity AUS Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 4 GALVEZ Felicity AUS 0.75 (8) 27.07 28.55 55.62 1038

2 2 BUI DUYET Diane FRA 0.66 (2) 26.29 55.84


Men's 400m Freestyle

WR 3:34.58 51.35 1:45.40 2:40.25 HACKETT Grant AUS Sydney (AUS) 18 JUL 2002
WC 3:34.63 24.36 51.25 1:18.31 1:45.61 THORPE Ian AUS Stockholm (SWE) 21 JAN 2003
2:12.91 2:40.44 3:07.80

1 4 BIEDERMANN Paul GER 0.89 3:32.77 1048 WR
25.48 27.14 52.62
27.01 27.05 1:19.63 1:46.68
26.84 27.13 2:13.52 2:40.65
26.69 25.43 3:07.34 3:32.77


Event 16 Women's 200m Backstroke

WR 2:00.91 28.48 58.69 1:29.71 COVENTRY Kirsty ZIM Manchester (GBR) 11 APR 2008
WC 2:02.01 28.22 58.77 1:29.84 SIMMONDS Elizabeth GBR Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 4 SAKAI Shiho JPN 0.51 (1) 27.91 (1) 58.66 (1) 1:29.49 2:00.18 1069 WR
30.75 30.83 30.69


Event 17 Men's 50m Butterfly

WR 22.06 DEIBLER Steffen GER Aachen (GER) 24 OCT 2009
WC 22.08 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA Stockholm (SWE) 10 NOV 2009

1 4 DEIBLER Steffen GER 0.64 21.80 1099 WR
2 5 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA 0.64 21.87 1089
3 3 SANTOS Nicholas BRA 0.67 22.17 1045
4 6 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS 0.68 22.33 1023
5 7 BOUSQUET Frederick FRA 0.71 22.34 1022
6 1 DIETRICH Johannes GER 0.69 22.51 999
7 2 HUEGILL Geoffrey AUS 0.69 22.54 995

tjrpatt
November 14th, 2009, 08:11 PM
I think that Roland from South Africa is on steroids. I mean, he is a breaststroker and sprint freestyler!! :)

This was the initial argument on why Jessica Hardy was on the "juice". I remember hearing she just can't be a sprint freestyler and breaststroker by nature.

tjrpatt
November 14th, 2009, 08:11 PM
I think that Roland from South Africa is on steroids. I mean, he is a breaststroker and sprint freestyler!! :)

This was the initial argument on why Jessica Hardy was on the "juice". I remember hearing she just can't be a sprint freestyler and breaststroker by nature.

Couroboros
November 14th, 2009, 08:25 PM
As I understand it, Phelps is wearing jammers while the competition are still in suits, correct? So, with that perspective, Phelps is actually doing quite well.

tjrpatt
November 14th, 2009, 08:32 PM
As I understand it, Phelps is wearing jammers while the competition are still in suits, correct? So, with that perspective, Phelps is actually doing quite well.

The dopes on ESPN might say that he is washed up though. I think that he is training through these meets and just mentoring the younger swimmers. Overall, Phelps doesn't need to do anything at this point. After 14 Olympic Gold Medals, just making finals at these events just adds to his greatness.

knelson
November 14th, 2009, 08:36 PM
This was the initial argument on why Jessica Hardy was on the "juice". I remember hearing she just can't be a sprint freestyler and breaststroker by nature.

I disagree. The one and only argument was that she tested positive.

tjrpatt
November 14th, 2009, 10:34 PM
I disagree. The one and only argument was that she tested positive.

So true. I think that I overheard that at some masters meet or by some commentator at the time. I just thought that it was odd that someone thought that a breaststroker couldn't be a good 50 free swimmer without any narcotic enhancements.

knelson
November 14th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I was just watching the 400 free on TV and noticed Biedermann doesn't overlap his hands off the walls. Thought that was a little strange.

ande
November 15th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Tons of records fell today

Event 20 Men's 200m Freestyle

WR 1:40.83 24.18 50.06 1:15.93 BIEDERMANN Paul GER Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008
WC 1:40.83 24.18 50.06 1:15.93 BIEDERMANN Paul GER Berlin (GER) 16 NOV 2008

1 4 BIEDERMANN Paul GER 0.84
23.79 (6)
25.50 (4) 49.29
25.43 (2) 1:14.72
24.65 1:39.37 WR


Event 21 Women's 50m Breaststroke

WR 28.96 HARDY Jessica USA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009
WC 28.96 HARDY Jessica USA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 4 HARDY Jessica USA 0.68 28.80 1127 WR


Event 22 Men's 100m Breaststroke

WR 55.99 25.99 VAN DEN BURGH Cameron RSA Pietermaritzburg (RSA) 9 AUG 2009
WC 56.17 25.84 VAN DEN BURGH Cameron RSA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

Cameron VAN DEN BURGH RSA 0.64 (1) 25.98 29.63 55.61 1109 WR


Event 24 Men's 100m Butterfly

WR 48.99 23.07 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009
WC 48.99 23.07 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009

1 4 KOROTYSHKIN Evgeny RUS 0.67 (1) 22.88 48.48 1085 WR
25.60



Event 25 Women's 100m Backstroke

WR 56.15 27.23 SAKAI Shiho JPN Tokyo (JPN) 22 FEB 2009
WC 56.33 27.24 SAKAI Shiho JPN Berlin (GER) 15 NOV 2009

1 4 SAKAI Shiho JPN 0.49 (1) 26.73 55.23 1098 WR
28.50


Event 27 Women's 200m Butterfly

WR 2:02.50 27.31 58.36 1:29.77 LIU Zige CHN Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009
WC 2:02.50 27.31 58.36 1:29.77 LIU Zige CHN Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 3 LIU Zige CHN 0.79 (1) 27.35 (1) 58.41 (1) 1:29.29 2:00.78 1075 WR
31.06 30.88 31.49


Event 28 Men's 200m Individual Medley

WR 1:51.56 24.79 52.26 1:24.82 LOCHTE Ryan USA Manchester (GBR) 11 APR 2008
WC 1:51.79 23.70 52.00 1:25.08 TOWNSEND Darian RSA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 3 TOWNSEND Darian RSA 0.69 (2) 23.96 (1) 51.96 (1) 1:25.41 1:51.55 1043 WR
28.00 33.45 26.14

2 4 PHELPS Michael USA 0.71 (3) 24.40 (2) 52.75 (4) 1:26.69 1:53.70 985
28.35 33.94 27.01



Event 30 Men's 50m Freestyle

WR 20.30 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA Pietermaritzburg (RSA) 8 AUG 2009
WC 20.64 BOUSQUET Frederick FRA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 4 SCHOEMAN Roland RSA 0.64 20.57 1043 WC
2 8 NYSTRAND Stefan SWE 0.70 20.70 1023
3 2 DEIBLER Steffen GER 0.65 20.73 1019
4 6 SANTOS Nicholas BRA 0.68 20.74 1017
5 7 BOUSQUET Frederick FRA 0.71 20.75 1016
6 5 FESIKOV Sergey RUS 0.70 20.84 1003
7 3 ABOOD Matthew AUS 0.73 20.89 996
8 1 MUHAMMAD Sabir USA 0.73 21.08 969
(everyone but Sabir went under 21)


Event 32 Women's 100m Individual Medley

WR 58.40 26.57 ZHAO Jing CHN Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009
WC 58.40 26.57 ZHAO Jing CHN Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009


1 5 SCHREUDER Hinkelien NED 0.73 (1) 26.82 57.74 1086 WR
30.92
2 4 MYERS Whitney USA 0.63 (2) 27.09 58.96



Event 31 Women's 200m Breaststroke

WR 2:16.83 31.37 1:05.68 1:41.42 PIERSE Annamay CAN Leeds (GBR) 7 AUG 2009
WC 2:17.75 31.73 1:07.11 1:42.77 JONES Leisel AUS Melbourne (AUS) 29 NOV 2003

1 6 JONES Leisel AUS 0.81 (1) 31.30 (1) 1:06.07 (1) 1:41.00 2:15.42 1079 WR
34.77 34.93 34.42
2 4 KANETO Rie JPN 0.74 (2) 31.90 (2) 1:06.51 (2) 1:41.38 2:16.73


Event 33 Men's 200m Backstroke

WR 1:47.08 25.52 52.59 1:19.57 DU RAND George RSA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009
WC 1:47.08 25.52 52.59 1:19.57 DU RAND George RSA Moscow (RUS) 7 NOV 2009

1 5 VYATCHANIN Arkady RUS 0.79 (1) 25.17 (1) 52.36 (1) 1:19.48 1:46.11 1099 WR
27.19 27.12 26.63

tjrpatt
November 15th, 2009, 07:10 PM
this is getting very cartoonish to watch a WR being broken at every event and now, week after week. It doesn't mean anything to watch these swims and see a WR being broken. It is getting too typical.

KEWebb18
November 15th, 2009, 07:43 PM
I agree. It does get a little old when there are world records broken at every swim. I hope that this trend will not continue.

ande
November 16th, 2009, 09:41 AM
1/1/2010 it comes to a screeching halt.


I agree. It does get a little old when there are world records broken at every swim. I hope that this trend will not continue.

Ahelee Sue Osborn
November 16th, 2009, 01:29 PM
I've quite enjoyed watching beautiful swimming and the very fast racing at the World Cup thanks to Universal Sports.
But then I don't remember times and records like some of you.
To me, a record just highlights that no one in the category has ever moved so quickly.

Just read a great post from Glenn Mills this morning:

"All great times eventually become the same thing... CUTS"

I went back to his FaceBook to check the quote and found this response to yet another techsuit hit:

"Sorry MJ. Nor you or I could begin to touch on the "technology advancements" that have been made since you and I swam in beautiful Keating Nat. From training equipment, to facilities, to guys like Jonty developing training methods based on scientific data gathered by taking blood and tissue samples. Heck, do you remember all the video analysis we did when we swam... or do you remember anyone talking to you about technique? It didn't exist. We developed technical expertise based on survival. If you didn't swim correctly, you didn't survive the training.

Every part of our sport has advanced technologically and will continue to. The suits simply made things happen a bit more quickly than many people wanted. The athletes will continue to push the envelope based on whatever the rules are... but technology is everywhere in the sport.

If you could clone a person, and train them as closely as possible, but award one of them access to video analysis, scientifically based training determined by blood sampling daily, or weekly. Determine their dietary needs based on training and advice from the top nutritional experts. Put that swimmer in a nice, clear, smooth pool with great lighting to see the walls perfectly. Make sure they have the best goggles, proper equipment and access to anything else you can think of... while the other swimmer performs all the training in a typical high school 25 yard pool with no gutters and ropes for lane lines... Who do you honestly think is going to win a race?

Technology surrounds the top athletes. It was only that we could SEE the suits was there an understanding that there is an unlevel playing field. Which there always has been in all aspects of life.

Now, I'm not arguing with you... you and I should take much pride from swimming in the dungeon. We overcame a lot to succeed. I just don't think we can ever ignore that technology advancements are everywhere... seen and unseen.

One final note (I gotta get back to work... you know... doing swimming stuff). Even throwing out the steroid argument is so dangerous. When you do that, you liken the suits to cheating and dishonest people. That's simply not the case at all. I don't know how many times I have to say this... THE SUITS WERE LEGAL. They're just much easier to monitor than steroids.

ande
November 18th, 2009, 10:45 AM
Singapore's this weekend
Sat November 21 & Sun 22 2009

FINA (http://www.finaworldcup.com.sg/home.htm)

Watch (http://www.universalsports.com/)

Results (http://tr.im/omega)

Live Results (http://tr.im/omegalive)

joel schmaltz
November 18th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Phelps looks silly ... but I think this will fuel him for next season. He is going to take the image of these beatings home and "repay" it next year.

Biedermann looked amazing - he just crushed the field. He is going to destroy Phelps in the 200 Free, if Phelps even makes the final....
I agree 100%. This is exactly what Phelps will feed off of. I do think that he will be ready though.

ande
November 18th, 2009, 12:29 PM
PHOTOS (http://www.universalsports.com/swimming/photos/index.html)

BillS
November 18th, 2009, 12:31 PM
Phelps looks silly ... but I think this will fuel him for next season. He is going to take the image of these beatings home and "repay" it next year.

Biedermann looked amazing - he just crushed the field. He is going to destroy Phelps in the 200 Free, if Phelps even makes the final....

I don't think he looks silly at all. Phelps has nothing to prove to anyone at this point. I think he is running jammers because he took some time off and isn't in his usual competition condition. It gives him a place to go mentally when he doesn't perform up to his incredibly high standards. It helps him to get ready for next year, losing the feel of the body suits early. It probably gives him a little boost (and strikes yet more fear into the hearts of his competitors) when he does well: (a) in jammers; (b) out of shape; and (c) sporting facial hair. If he doesn't make the finals, he can easily, at least superficially, say "oh well, no worries," relying on a, b, & c.

That said, he is one of the fiercest competitors ever seen in the sport. Any beatdown he suffers by anyone at any time for any reason and despite any genuine, reasonable excuse seems to resonate deeply with him, and frequently motivates him to some super-human performance (e.g. 100 fly re-match with Cavic). He and Bowman have a great handle on how to light his fire when necessary, but also understand how not to light it too early or too often.

I think he's setting himself up perfectly for a post-suit competition world.

ande
November 20th, 2009, 12:14 PM
Singapore WC
Asia/Singapore is 13 hours ahead of America/New_York

Aaron Piersol, Lisbeth Trickett, Jessicah Schipper, Eamon Sullivan & many others are there

Results (http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/index.htm)

WATCH (http://www.universalsports.com/)

Fina WC site (http://www.finaworldcup.com.sg/home.htm)

ande
November 21st, 2009, 03:25 PM
any one following it
what do you think?

ande
November 23rd, 2009, 10:06 AM
some fast swims at singapore

Women's 50m Freestyle

WR 23.25 VELDHUIS Marleen NED Manchester (GBR) 13 APR 2008
WC 23.34 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE Berlin (GER) 14 NOV 2009

1 4 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE 0.69 23.27 1067 WC


Women's 100m Freestyle

WR 51.01 24.29 TRICKETT Lisbeth AUS Hobart (AUS) 10 AUG 2009
WC 51.61 24.34 HALSALL Francesca GBR Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 1 HALSALL Francesca GBR 0.75 (1) 24.54 51.19 1060 WC
26.65

Men's 50m Backstroke

WR 22.73 MARSHALL Peter USA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009
WC 22.73 MARSHALL Peter USA Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 4 MARSHALL Peter USA 0.61 22.61 1078 WR



Women's 50m Butterfly

WR 24.46 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009
WC 24.46 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE Stockholm (SWE) 11 NOV 2009

1 4 ALSHAMMAR Therese SWE 0.68 24.38 1126 WR

ande
November 25th, 2009, 12:27 PM
Weekend wrap: Phelps, swimsuits and really fast times (http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=371293.html#slick+suits+produce+record+wrs)

Sixteen world records were broken at the Berlin edition of the FINA/ARENA World Cup, which was itself a record for a single World Cup meet. Michael Phelps was unable to win a gold medal in both Stockholm and Berlin, his first meets of the season. We break down the weekend's action and take a look at Phelps' career times. He did better than you think.

By Jason Devaney, Universal Sports |
Posted: Nov 16, 11:26a ET |
Updated: Nov 17, 11:26a ET

Arkady Vyatchanin set a world record over the weekend.

Who?

Arkady Vyatchanin, a little-known Russian swimmer who has two Olympic bronze medals to his name.

Shiho Sakai also set a world record -- actually, she set two.

For those of you not familiar (this writer included), Sakai is an 18-year-old Japanese swimmer who, before her performances in Berlin Saturday and Sunday, set the 100m backstroke short-course world record at the Japan Open earlier this year.

American Jessica Hardy, who returned to competition in August after a one-year doping suspension, has broken the women's 50m breaststroke short-course world record at each of the four FINA/ARENA World Cup meets thus far. She'll have a chance to make it five for five in Singapore next weekend.

And, let's not forget about Paul Biedermann, the German swimmer who beat Michael Phelps at the 2009 World Championships in the 200m freestyle. He smashed his personal bests -- and the world records -- in the 200m and 400m freestyle at those championships, and the German did the same in Berlin over the weekend in the short-course meet.

What's the common theme here? The swimsuits, of course.

All of the aforementioned swimmers (minus Phelps) wear high-tech suits, attire that will be illegal for use in FINA-sanctioned meets starting Jan. 1. USA Swimming has already banned them from its meets.

The swimsuits issue has been discussed, written about and dissected for months. Should there be some type of notation in the swimming books regarding world records set this year? These suits, such as the Arena X-Glide, are completely covered in polyurethane. That means they essentially float in the water, which allows the athlete to glide across the surface and cut through the water like a torpedo fired from a submarine.

World records have fallen by two, three, five, seven seconds and more since the start of 2008, when Speedo introduced the LZR, the first of these new generation suits. The LZR has polyurethane panels and is not completely covered in the substance, unlike this year's versions made by other suit makers. It's a shame that aqua legends such as Grant Hackett, whose freestyle records were obliterated by Biedermann, are now just names in the past.

Ten world records were broken on Sunday, and six fell on Saturday. As a FINA press release stated, it was "a record of world records." Never before had so many global marks fallen at one World Cup meet.

One side of the aisle thinks the 2009 suit fiasco has made a mockery of the sport. There absolutely should be asterisks next to all these records, people say, and some even think that they should be thrown out.

The other school of thought is that despite the negative publicity, it's still publicity. Swimming has always been an every-four-years sport; after the Olympics are over, there is little interest in who wins the 200m butterfly at a World Cup meet in Berlin. The success of Michael Phelps has made a tremendous impact on this, and so have the suits.

This increase in attention is great for the sport. Swimmers are becoming more mainstream athletes, and many have sponsors now.

Phelps made his 2009-10 season debut last week in Stockholm, and then swam in Berlin. His results were not very Phelpsian: two silver medals, one bronze and a fifth-place finish. He failed to qualify for the finals in the 100m freestyle, 100m backstroke (DQd for staying under water too long), 100m butterfly and the 200m freestyle.

Is he hurt? Tired? Out of shape? Beat up from long practices under coach Bob Bowman?

Actually, it might be something else: his suit. Phelps wore a jammer, a knees-to-waist outfit that will be the standard for men under the new FINA regulations. It was your basic, run-of-the-mill swimsuit. There was no polyurethane involved, and there were no air pockets in the material.

Here's a breakdown of Phelps' times at both meets last week, compared to his personal bests in the events for both short-course (SCM) and long-course (LCM):

Stockholm
100m IM: Third, 52.14; personal best: 53.21 (SCM).
200m IM: Second, 1:53.93; personal bests: 1:54.85 (SCM), 1:54.23 (LCM).
100m freestyle: Did not medal, 47.77; personal bests: 49.97 (SCM), 47.51 (LCM).
100m backstroke: DQd.
100m butterfly: Did not medal, 51.06; personal bests: 53.82 (SCM), 49.82 (LCM).

Berlin
200m butterfly: Fifth, 1:52.26; personal bests: 1:52.27 (SCM), 1:51.51 (LCM).
200m IM: Second, 1:53.70; personal bests: 1:53.93 (SCM), 1:54.23 (LCM).
200m freestyle: Did not medal, 1:44.07; personal bests: 1:42.78 (SCM), 1:42.96 (LCM).
*Note: Information provided by USA Swimming.

A few things are clear after looking at these numbers. Phelps actually set personal-best times (short course) in every event except for the 200m freestyle, a fact that doesn't hold all that much water because Phelps rarely swims in short-course meets. But his times still improved.

Phelps also twice swam the 200m IM faster than his long-course standard. His 100m freestyle result in Stockholm was almost faster than his best long-course time in that event too.

For a guy who said he's out of shape, for a guy with a scruffy beard and for a guy wearing an old-school swimsuit, I'd say those times are pretty good.

Next on Phelps' schedule is the Duel in the Pool, a showcase that will pit the top U.S. swimmers against a combined team of Great Britain, Germany and Italy. The short-course event takes place Dec. 18-19 in Manchester, England.

The DIP is not an official FINA event, so there's no doubt that the swimmers -- excluding Phelps and perhaps a few others -- will wear their space-age swimsuits to gain a competitive advantage.

Which means that this current world-record assault is likely to continue.

ande
November 25th, 2009, 12:31 PM
After returning from her one-year doping suspension in August, U.S. swimmer Jessica Hardy has done nothing but win and set world records. This was evident on the 2009 FINA/ARENA Swimming World Cup, as the 22-year-old earned the women's overall title and the accompanying $100,000 check. We break down her victories. (http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=372692.html#hardy+speeds+world+cup+title)