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MPohlmann
July 14th, 2003, 05:02 PM
Does anyone know where and when the Canadian Nationals will be held in 2004? Since USMS Nationals will be held in April, I'd like to swim USMS and Canadian Nationals.

Thanks

Dmitry
July 23rd, 2003, 06:24 PM
how old do have to be to compete in the canada nationals?

swimmer68
July 24th, 2003, 10:05 AM
tentatively the 2004 Canadian Nationals will be May 21-24. The location I do not know yet.

I believe that you can be 19 and compete at the Canadian Nationals...also there is no NQT, at least there haven't been any in the past.

Hope this helps....

Dmitry
July 24th, 2003, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the reposnce...where could i find the entry form for the meet?

schenk
September 13th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Hello,

I'm new to the website and the existence of masters swimming.
I am currently training to join a masters club in my area but right now I'm alone in the sense that I don't have anyone who can give me insights about what it is to be competitive.
I was wondering if anyone could help me with finding out about some questions I have.

If I understood correctly, someone above mentioned that there is not mandatory qualifying time necessary to be able to enter the
nationals in Canada in 2004. But I was wondering what might be
respectable times to be competitive?

Browsing the forums I also noticed that there seems to be discussions about long distance swimming and I am interested in short distance swimming. I think I am more of a sprinter so to speak than long distance swimmer. Would there be anything along those lines for me? If so, what might be some respectable
competive times and distances I should work for?

All replies or insights very much appreciated,

Schenk

Sabretooth Tiger
September 13th, 2003, 08:49 PM
Go to the main USMS web site -- www.usms.org -- and click on competition/nationals link which will allow you to look at results from usms nationals for this year and in previous years. Southern Pacific region also posts results from past regional meets . . . I presume others do as well. This information should give you guidance as to times specific to your age and gender.

carl

Gail Roper
September 13th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Where will the 2004 Canadian Nationals be held?

schenk
September 15th, 2003, 03:13 AM
Hi Carl,

Thank you for the info. I copied some info below that I found at the site you referred me to. The "50" for the short course below,
does that represent meters? And do these races typically start with a diving start? How much of a difference do you think a diving start would typically make with regard to time for these top ten swimmers on the short course?


50 Freestyle SCY Men 35-39 (2003) # Name Age Club Time
1 Ronald D Karnaugh 36 TRIT 21.58
2 Stepan Oliva 36 WIN 21.66
3 Kirk F Everist 36 TOC 21.77
4 Bert Bergen 36 UNAT 21.82
5 Grant Rusk 35 METR 21.93
6 Richard Landry 39 NEM 21.95
7 Doug Ellis 35 TXAM 21.99
8 Geoffrey Glaser 38 USF 22.01
9 Brent Matheson 36 GSM 22.17
10 Henry L Clark 37 ARIZ 22.18

Fritz
September 15th, 2003, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by schenk
Hi Carl,

Thank you for the info. I copied some info below that I found at the site you referred me to. The "50" for the short course below,
does that represent meters? And do these races typically start with a diving start? How much of a difference do you think a diving start would typically make with regard to time for these top ten swimmers on the short course?


50 Freestyle SCY Men 35-39 (2003) # Name Age Club Time
1 Ronald D Karnaugh 36 TRIT 21.58
2 Stepan Oliva 36 WIN 21.66
3 Kirk F Everist 36 TOC 21.77
4 Bert Bergen 36 UNAT 21.82
5 Grant Rusk 35 METR 21.93
6 Richard Landry 39 NEM 21.95
7 Doug Ellis 35 TXAM 21.99
8 Geoffrey Glaser 38 USF 22.01
9 Brent Matheson 36 GSM 22.17
10 Henry L Clark 37 ARIZ 22.18

These are from short course yards and most likely they all started from the blocks. To be that quick their starts are probably pretty good. How much starting in the water matters will depend on the quality of your block start and your water start. Most of the top ten listed could probably also start in the water and do pretty well but they would be slower. Maybe a second? It's hard to tell.

Sabretooth Tiger
September 15th, 2003, 01:12 PM
As Fritz points out, these are short coure yards. Read abbreviations as follows:

SCY = short course yards (25 yard length)
SCM = short course meters (25 meter length)
LCM = long course meters (50 meter length).

Also, if you're new and looking to find "respectable" times, please note that you have chosen the top 10 swimmers in (I presume) your age and gender from the national swim meet. The qualifying time in this event is (I think) 24.8 -- you can check that under "qualifying times" at the national meet link. This is a very respectable and "competitive" time.

Heck, I had a great time at nationals swimming just 3 events as I had no qualifying times and had only been back in the water for about 6 weeks after a 30 year absence. So enjoy yourself, your teammates, and the meets swimming against yourself and you should have a great time.

Just my thoughts,

carl

schenk
September 17th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Hi Carl,

I think you were right about the second advantage from the block.
I tried a dive from the side of the pool and only increased my time by about a second. Also, thanks for cluing me about the abbreviations. Should have been obvious to me but being new... :)

Fritz,

I've only been back in the pool for about 4 weeks after a 30 year absence. Plus, I never swam on a team or raced formally. I'm really loving being back into it!

I'm looking to be a competitive swimmer but have a lot of work to do to get to where I want to go. I'll just keep working at.

Even if I can't be competitive, I've decided to take your advice and just enjoy and the swim of it.

You all have a great website here too.

I'm in St. Louis and looking at the front page of the forums it doesn't look like our city is very active in all this, though it does look like the western part of the state might be more active.

I'll be working on conditioning, but would any of you all have any info about where the next short course meet might be?

I think I've browsed most of the threads showing up in forums, so I hope I'm not just being lazy about researching of it.

Also, someone above I think mentioned 25 short course yard races. I haven't found any qt times for such. If anyone know of a thread or site, could you please post?

Also, I would like to know more about how to get on a team and how thats done?

Best to all!

Sabretooth Tiger
September 17th, 2003, 07:49 PM
I found this link on a google search for st. louis masters swimming:

http://www.swimslam.org/index.html

This site may help provide you with some answers and resources.

carl

schenk
September 21st, 2003, 02:50 AM
Thanks Carl for the great website. I got it bookmarked and am making some contacts!

Does anybody know if there are any short distance meets coming up in the near future anywhere in the South Eastern United States at all?

Betsy
September 22nd, 2003, 02:43 PM
There is a sprint meet on October 26 at George Mason Univ in Fairfax, VA (DC area). Check the Potomac Valley website.

There is a meet in Newport News, VA, on Nov 8 with a full range of events up to the 1650. For an entry, email me at:
durrant6@cox.net.
Betsy Durrant

schenk
September 23rd, 2003, 11:35 PM
Hi Betsy,

A contact I made here in St. Louis told me there will be a meet in our area coming up around late October or early November. No exact date has yet been set though. But I might be travelling out that way so I'll try to come up with a decision soon.

It's great to have the support of of everyone here at the site helping me get informed :)

Steve Schenk

Ian Smith
November 4th, 2003, 03:59 PM
It does not seem that anyone has answered Gail's question.... This is a quote from the Can. Masters site:

"The 2004 National Masters Swimming Championships will be held in Edmonton, May 21-24, 2004 at the Kinsmen Sports Centre. It will be long course and will be used, at least in part, as a practice for the 2005 World Masters Championships that will be held at the same facilities. The 10 lane LC pool will be used with a 6 lane short course pool available for warmup/warmdown".

Gail Roper
November 4th, 2003, 04:50 PM
Does anyone know the altitude of Edmonton?

Sabretooth Tiger
November 4th, 2003, 10:34 PM
City Information

The city spans 70,152 hectares, 270 sq miles; Metro Edmonton covers 1,691 sq miles Edmonton is located at 53 40N, 113 30W in the geographic center of both Alberta and Western Canada, Edmonton is at an altitude of 668 metres, 2192 feet above sea level some 360 km east of the Rocky Mountains We are some 1240 km from Vancouver on the Pacific Coast. The population of the Edmonton region is approximately 907,000 people. We are in the Mountain Standard Time Zone, 7 hours behind GMT.


This from the first hit on a Google search for "Edmonton Alberta Canada Altitude"

swim53
November 5th, 2003, 10:02 AM
If we would chose to go to this Canadian meet, would we be able to use the times to turn in to USMS top ten? As top ten LC meters even in May?

Gail Roper
November 6th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Yes, you may use any times from any Canandian meet for top ten and National and World records, but you must submit them to Walt Reid with the official report yourself. Canada does not report any US registered swimmers times automatically.

joy
November 6th, 2003, 09:49 PM
Isn't that a pretty high altidue to swim at for good times if its not a sprint?

Peter Cruise
November 7th, 2003, 11:03 PM
I had a lot of trouble with my asthma at the same pool when they last swam Can Nats there & I thought it might be altitude (although nothing by Colorado standards), but a local swimmer who was also asthmatic & having problems sais it was not altitude but this: she said that when pool was built for Commonwealth Games it had to have an air circulation/evacuation system built in to certain standards. This system is so expensive to run that they charge extra to orgainizations staging events there & Can Nats orgainizers had not paid the fee, hence very poor air circulation. I don't know if that story was true, but in 18 years of Masters meets I had never had such problems.

butterflybeer
November 7th, 2003, 11:33 PM
Joy,

By your recent post, are you suggesting that Edmonton's altitude will affect your decision making in some way? Will the altitude determine if you will attend or not? Will it determine which events you will/will not swim? Are you going for a certain standard/record and feel that you will have much better chances at a lower altitude?

I am just curious as to why exactly, for you, the concern over Edmonton's altitude.

I understand the physiological effect of PP02 (partial pressure of oxygen in the air) on blood oxygenation and resulting aerobic output quite well. I am just curious about your comment, that's all.

joy
November 8th, 2003, 12:42 AM
Like Peters post before, I have trouble swimming at altitude. I have asthma and find that some places are better than others to swim. No offense to Edmunton, I have never been there before but have swam in Saskatoon and loved it. Also all the Vancouver pools were great. I would only be swimming sprints anyway so am told it doesn't make that much of a difference. If the ventilation system is not good that would be a deterrent because I have been in pools before that I have had major attacks from the ventalation not being good and it is no fun not being able to get your breath. Let alone having to swim after u have an attack.
Takes a lot out of a person. But thanz for asking.