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Shaky
July 30th, 2003, 11:00 AM
Okay, I know somebody's gonna bust me on the unethical nature of what I'm about to ask. Rest assured I'm not actually planning to do this, but with the misery of swimming in my current pool the idea did enter my head, sort of a "what if" type of thought...

Have any of you find upstanding folks ever used a hotel or apartment pool where you weren't staying or living, um, without permission? I know, most hotel and apartment pools suck, but occasionally there's one that's of sufficient size to get a workout that beckons to you over the fence. "Come swim in me..."

Anybody do this regularly and get away with it? Anybody have any interesting stories of running half naked from hotel security hell bent on having you charged with tresspassing?

Once again, no lectures, please. I've been reading a lot of material from Hunter Thompson lately (who swims, by the way--or at least he used to), and his weird shenanigans have my own imagination coming up with all kinds of daring, if unethical, solutions to the problems of life.

jerrycat
July 30th, 2003, 11:10 AM
Shaky...you're so silly, and funny (in a good way).

I'll admit that I've done it. In fact, growing up, my parnets would take us to hotel pools all the time! I was always so paranoid about it...but, I was also jumping off the high dive at age 3 or 4. So, it was a good thing--and fun. Plus, it was the 70's, and nobody had any money...let alone a couple of teachers like my parents (that's how I justify it). No harm done.

If I was desperate I might attempt to sneak in a hotel pool if it was worthwhile...but since I'm not in that situation, and there is no hotel pool worthwhile, then it's a mute point.

In college--I snuck in an apartment complex by the university that had a terrific pool. My friends lived there, and I learned the code to get in. Nobody ever used the pool! AFter awhile though, I was really feeling guilty and paranoid so I stopped going. But it was fun and worth it when I did it.

You're not a bad guy thinking of this--and sneaking in is really adventurous, and fun. It's not something to do all the time, but can get your heart going, and be exciting.

So, go do it! And report back!

Jerrycat ;)

Leonard Jansen
July 30th, 2003, 11:21 AM
"but with the misery of swimming in my current pool "

Perhaps I saw the details of this and forgot them (senility), but what is the problem?

Hunter Thompson rules!

-LBJ

mark_varney47
July 30th, 2003, 11:24 AM
Shaky,
The words,Sheraton and Woodbridge,New Jersey spring to mind.I got caught by the rather attractive female receptionist and had to promise to take her to dinner the next evening to stop her telling on me.The rest of the story is X rated.Lol:D

Shaky
July 30th, 2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Leonard Jansen
"but with the misery of swimming in my current pool "

Perhaps I saw the details of this and forgot them (senility), but what is the problem?

Overcrowding and bad scheduling. The mental giants who run the place schedule all the activities that take up two and three lanes of the pool during the busiest times for lap swimmers. The pool is a favorite of inexperienced swimmers who don't understand lap swimming etiquette, ignore the speed designations on the lanes and can't swim a straight line. Just yesterday, I got kicked in the thigh under the lane rope by someone who thought the breaststroke kick should resemble James Brown's scissor splits; hit in the shoulder by another breaststroker who sculled out wide under the lane rope; stuck behind the slowest swimmer in the pool who insisted on swimming in the fast lane and couldn't pass because there were five other people in the lane; had to keep dodging a guy who insisted on doing backstroke but needed the whole lane to do it; and had my hand cracked by a guy who kept swimming down the middle of the lane and crowding oncoming traffic. It made me want to swim butterfly with my fists closed.

That's the short version. For a more in depth look at my pool, read my description of it on the "Paddles, gloves, etc." thread, at the bottom the page linked here:

http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1507&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

It's so ridiculous that if it weren't so irritating it would be a laugh riot. The facility itself is nice enough, but the problems here officially make it The Worst Pool I've Ever Used.

eliana2003
July 30th, 2003, 12:22 PM
coming from, Shaky. Having swum in inner-city pools (London, UK) for 5 years, I really sympathise with you! I mean, I've swam in pools where people simply- and regularly- WALKED down the lanes (and across the lanes) rather than swim (as the 4.50GBP/ph lifeguard examined his fingernails); I've had collisions, been kicked by obnoxious school-brats, been punched, verbally abused by some psycho-women, and I won't even discuss the condition of the water!

However, as a well-meaning condo-dweller, I would hope that you would target the motels rather than apts... I hate it when outsider people here use our pools and/or gym- hey, I pay the rent, you know? Besides, I do know that the leasing office here will call the cops if they caught someone hopping the fence (they live on site, along with security), so be careful!

Good luck!

peace...

laineybug
July 30th, 2003, 12:37 PM
Shakey, have you ever thought of approaching management of the pool in question and asking them if you could pay a monthly fee for the use of their pool? There was a hotel, a very very nice hotel, where I grew up that use to 'sell' memberships to the community. If the pool management balks at the idea because it would cause the pool to be too over crowded, then suggest they limit the number of 'memberships' they sell... Everyone would win... they would make money and you would get a less crowded pool to swim in.

LOL--it would make you an honest man :D

Lainey

laineybug
July 30th, 2003, 01:10 PM
When I was on my honeymoon my husband and I decided to slip into the hotel pool after hours for a little private swim. We had just 'settled' in when no less than four security folks showed up and asked us to get out. Then we had to prove we were actually guests of the hotel, which we were! Whew! Luckily we had not been in the pool very long. Any longer and it might have been VERY embarassing!

swimmore
July 30th, 2003, 01:47 PM
Well - I can understand what you are up against in that rat race. There are some apartment and Hotel pools that are almost 25 yards and you can get a workout in. The best thing to do is show up with a couple of people in the pool already - Not too many questions will be asked. Try to go where you know someone living or staying at the Apt. or Hotel.

You may want to think about building a two lane pool at home or getting a Endless pool.

Swimmore
coach steven fair
www.pirateswimming.com

Leonard Jansen
July 30th, 2003, 01:56 PM
Shaky -

Hmmm.... I share your pain. The YMCA I swim at is fine, but the outdoor pool that I also swim at is a nightmare - very similar to what you have described. My solution is to heed the wisdom of the 23rd Psalm, revised: Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil for I am the meanest SOB in the valley.

1) Complain constantly to management. A very effective way of getting their attention is to point out that their liability insurance carrier wouldn't be very happy to know about the unsafe conditions which they allow to occur.

2) Go to board meetings and complain per #1.

3) This there some sort of national governing/organizing group for YMCA's? If so, complain to them.

4) Complain to the lifeguard every time they allow something that is unsafe to occur. Follow it up with a complaint to management.

5) In the case of a teenager or kid doing something unsafe (swimming across a lane, etc), pull rank: don't hesitate to give them H@ll for it - most kids are loath to argue with someone who reminds them of their dad.

6) Offer to make up waterproof signs listing the rules that can be put on both ends of each lane. This precludes ignorance as an excuse.

7) For the slower swimmers who won't go to a correct lane (assuming YOU are actually in the correct lane, BTW), keep touching their feet as a signal to pass. Most people hate that.

You won't exactly be loved, but if there is an accident at a pool and someone gets clobbered by you because of something stupid that they did, you will also be named in the lawsuit. It is in everyone's best interest to try and promote a safe swimming environment. I've had (some) success where I swim, but it is still a battle.

Good Luck.

Bruised and battered, but not broken,
LBJ

aquageek
July 30th, 2003, 02:00 PM
Shaky, if I were you, which thankfully I am not, I would not spend the money on a pool at your house or an Endless Pool. It would be much less expensive to buy a lifetime of good French cheese to go with all that whining you do about the Y.

eliana2003
July 30th, 2003, 02:09 PM
Boys and girls- please play nicely... I'm getting a little tired of the bickering....

gull
July 30th, 2003, 02:41 PM
When I was a med student in Houston back in the 80's the Shamrock Hotel in the medical center had a beautiful outdoor 50 meter pool that was used primarily for sunbathing (the Air France flight attendants stayed there during layovers), so a few of us would sneak in and swim laps after class. No, really, we did swim laps. Eventually the lifeguards kicked us out. The hotel was later torn down ("they paved paradise and put up a parking lot"). Thanks--I hadn't thought about that in a long time.

mattson
July 30th, 2003, 04:04 PM
If someone posts the location of a pool that has a "rather attractive female receptionist" and "<sunbathing> flight attendants", I promise I will sneak in and report what happens. ;)

Tom Ellison
July 30th, 2003, 04:19 PM
Gosh, in high school and college we used to go "pool hopping" on a regular basis!
Heck, back in the hippy college days when we drove out to Calif. or down to AZ in our van, the best place to get a free bath was during a late night pool hop at the nearest motel or apt pool. Never did any lap swimming, but I did have a work out or two. Hey, life is way to short, go hop the fence and go swimming....

laineybug
July 30th, 2003, 05:40 PM
Tom it looks like you operate on the "its easier to get forgiveness than permission" principle. LOL it usually works!

Lainey

cinc3100
July 31st, 2003, 12:28 AM
I can't say that its that bad of a experiance. A few times I accidently hit someone doing backstroke because I had to be on my side of the pool and share the lane. Its a lot better now than in the 1970's. Back in those days, there was no lap swimming and when I swam a few times doing the break from the club team I had to put up with kids doing recreatonal swimming.

pinkflamingo
July 31st, 2003, 12:51 AM
Call around to local hotels to inquire as to size of pool and whether they sell community memberships. (I know of a hotel near me that sells family memberships to its pool for a very modest price, but you must live in that city. (When I used this pool, I did not live in the right city and, thus, had to opt for the walk-in-and-pretend-I-belonged access option.) You might have similar hotels near you. Be sure to ask about parking options for community guest members, other applicable rules (days of week or hour limitations for community guest members), and about crowded times/best times to swim.)

Some hotels allow family members of hotel employees to use pool facilities. If you can find out what hotels near you do this, you might want to avoid these pools during summer months. You will find the stay-at-home parents there with their kids. (My brother used to work at a hotel (nice one), and his wife and their 3 kids were there almost daily during the summer, along with a slew of other parents/kids -- it was the place for the stay at home spouses of hotel staff to hang out with their kids.... They were limited to weekday use and excluded Fridays-Sundays.)

To scope things out in advance, you might just show up at some of your prospective options and ask to see their facilities, as you are planning for some relatives to visit you and will be putting them up at a hotel near your home. Ask to see the pool during your tour....

On Gonzo pool hopping: Avoid dropping acid during the 12 hours preceding your planned swim. The sharks, eels and squids that may greet you at the pool will not be worth the trip. Hotel staff will also become too ominous. Do not brandish weapons on the hotel premises. This makes hotel staff nervous and suspicious. Leave the Tequila, limes and beer at home. While you may feel completely in control of a situation involving hotel staff and security, the situation may turn ugly without warning and you may need to leave the premises promptly. If you are trying to make your escape by car, limes bouncing around in the back seat and a beer in your hand can easily be forgotten until it is too late. Do not drive wildly through the hotel parking lot upon arrival. Attracting attention at this stage may blow your chances of sliding by hotel security without questioning. Park in the hotel parking lot and pay the hotel parking fee. This will make you an authentic paying guest. :) Obey all pool rules (other than the one that says you must be a guest of the hotel to use the pool). Be polite and smile as you pass hotel staff on your way to the pool. Relax, and enjoy the swim!