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SolarEnergy
March 18th, 2010, 07:44 PM
I was wondering if it was the right forum to post this question. I guess so since I am under the impression that some members here are involved in the USMS organization.

Until not long ago, I thought that the Master Swimmers Circuit, worldwide, was very healthy all around the globe in most developed countries. It doesn't seem to be the case though.

Would anyone know about how well organized Master Swimmers are in the UK (GB more specifically) as well as in Croatia?

If you come from a Country other than US, Canada and Australia, I'd like to hear about you too.

Thanks in advance.

analazy
March 19th, 2010, 05:31 AM
Masters swimming is mostly organized everywhere in Europe being a discipline of national federations (Croatia do not know).
If you want to know more about the English check:
http://www.britishswimming.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,5157-181908-199126-nav-list,00.html (http://www.britishswimming.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,5157-181908-199126-nav-list,00.html)
or the forum where someone from the Masters committee always answers your questions
http://www.swimclub.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30&order=desc (http://www.swimclub.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30&order=desc)

About Spain and Portugal can give you detailed info through the email if you ask…

5out6aintbad
March 19th, 2010, 09:32 AM
Hi

Im in the UK and find Masters swimming pretty well organised. Clubs of all sizes and grades have masters squads and there are galas, regionals and nationals to compete in.

I'm pretty new to the scene but it seems to be what you make of it.

I swim with an age group squad. I was the second master (read Dad for that) to get off the viewing gallery and back in the pool and now we 7 in just over six months.

Like me many parents didn;t think oldies could swim but by getting in and doing it we've not got ourselves a good squad of late twenties to mid fifties.

SolarEnergy
March 19th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Thanks,

Funny enough, I got two clients in the UK, one in Bristol the other in Wales.

Both of these guys are under the impression that they can not compete as Master Swimmers. Based on your input, they should have at least given their federation a call to see?

Thank you so much.

I have one client in Croatia. If any one has an idea of how Master Programs are structured down there, it would be appreciated.

ivan504
March 19th, 2010, 04:42 PM
If you come from a Country other than US, Canada and Australia, I'd like to hear about you too.


In Brazil we do have master swimming, although with quite less people than USA or Italy.

We have a nationwide, FINA compilant organization which arranges 4 meets / year, and two of them are "long", 4 days with all possible events (except 1500 and 800, mutually exclusive). They get 400 to 800 swimmers per meet.

And the local organizations, mostly scoped by state, who arranges their own independent meets. Here in São Paulo we have about 8 local events/year, and each gets 200 - 400 swimmers.

For training, the ubiquitous YMCA (here is "ACM") was an option until some 8 years ago, when they dismantled their swimming teams for absolute noodlers rejoice. I was there at that time, and went to a club. The options now are some clubs and some specific gyms; they have good master swimming programs, coaches and master training hours. My club, for instance, has some 60 master swimmers (but only some 10 to 18 swim with me every work day from 19:00 to 21:00; the rest either swim at morning or in odd hours - or don't)

If someone comes to Sao Paulo and wants to swim, the easiest route is to contact "competition" or "formula" gyms; they offer decent swimming pools.

Regards, Ivan

okoban
March 26th, 2010, 02:08 PM
In Turkey, masters swimming is quite new. We have races organized by swimming federation. Number of attendants are around 150-200 only. There are masters teams but quite few (less than a dozen).
Here is the official web address of the federation:
http://www.tyf.gov.tr/ContentPage.aspx?TopMenuId=1

Rykno
March 26th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Masters in Sweden might not be as large as the USMS but then again we are barely the size of Florida with just around 9 million people.

But we just had our 29th short course masters nationals. and I would say it was a good turn out. the meet was direct finals, 4 sessions with 6 relays. we had 459 registered swimmers and 1877 starts, along with a social dinner on saturday evening with 340 from 68 clubs.

during the course of the meet we had 3 WR, 12 ER, 30 Nordic Records and over 40 national records, all with out supersuits.

our oldest swimmer was 93 and out youngest were the 21 yr old Pre-masters. we had 208 men and 104 women swim the 50 free.

here is how the worlds, Euro and swedish nationals compare as far as frequency.

Worlds
1:a Tokyo (JPN) 12-16 juli 1986

2:a Brisbane (AUS) 14-18 oktober 1988
3:e Rio de Janeiro (BRA) 6-13 augusti 1990
4:e Indianapolis (USA) 25 juni-5 juli 1992
5:e Montreal (CAN) 4-10 juli 1994
6:e Sheffield (GBR) 22 juni-3 juli 1996
7:e Casablanca (MOR) 19-30 juni 1998
8:e München (GER) 29 juli-3 augusti 2000
9:e Christchurch (NZL) 24-31 mars 2002
10:e Riccione (ITA) 2-13 juni 2004
11:e Stanford University (USA) 3-10 augusti 2006
12:e Perth (AUS) 16-23 april 2008
EUROPEAN

1:a Blackpool (GBR) 16-20 september 1987
2:a Turku/Åbo (FIN) 30 augusti-3 september 1989
3:e Coventry (GBR) 4-8 september 1991
4:e Sindelfingen (GER) 9-12 september 1993
5:e Riccione (ITA) 6-10 september 1995
6:e Prag (CZE) 3-7 september 1997
7:e Innsbrück (AUT) 25-29 augusti 1999
8:e Palm (ESP) 3-7 juli 2001
9:e Millau (FRA) 26-31 augusti 2003
10:e Stockholm (SWE) 16-21 augusti 2005
11:e Kranj (SLO) 28augusti-2 september 2007
12:e Cadiz (ESP) 15-20 september 2009

Swedish short course nationals


1:a Stockholm, Eriksdal, LCM 15-17 juli 1982
2:a Falun, LCM 28-30 juli 1983
3:e Falun 28-29 april 1984
4:e Stockholm, Forsgrenska 15-17 mars 1985
5:e Ängelholm 25-27 april 1986
6:e Handen 24-26 april 1987
7:e Umeå 25-27 mars 1988
8:e Borlänge 16-16 april 1989
9:e Nacka 23-25 mars 1990
10:e Linköping 22-24 mars 1991
11:e Gävle 27-29 mars 1992
12:e Södertälje 26-28 mars 1993
13:e Stockholm, Eriksdal, LCM 22-24 april 1994
14:e Hudiksvall 31 mars-2 april 1995
15:e Uddevalla 22-24 mars 1996
16:e Södertälje 14-16 mars 1997
17:e Mölndal 20-22 mars 1998
18:e Västerås 19-21 mars 1999
19:e Hudiksvall 17-19 mars 2000
20:e Örebro 16-18 mars 2001
21:e Linköping 26-28 april 2002
22:a Täby 21-23 mars 2003
23:e Malmö 26-28 mars 2004
24:e Linköping 15-17 april 2005
25:e Haninge 24-26 mars 2006
26:e Helsingborg 23-25 mars 2007
27:e Linköping 7-9 mars 2008
28:e Söderhamn 20-22 mars 2009
29:e Växjö 19-21 mars 2010 (largest ever!!! my club hosted)

we have had a 3km OW championships the last 4 yrs, this yr the worlds come to sweden, but there are plans now to implement a long course national championships starting 2011.

there is a masters committee with 7 members, 4 work mostly with swimming, 1 diving, 1 waterpolo and 1 psychronized swimming.


Here is a site (in english) to our 2010 nationals.
http://www.vaxjosimsallskap.com/masters-sm-2010/en.php

Knightswimmer2
March 26th, 2010, 04:25 PM
Thanks,

Funny enough, I got two clients in the UK, one in Bristol the other in Wales.

Both of these guys are under the impression that they can not compete as Master Swimmers. Based on your input, they should have at least given their federation a call to see?

Thank you so much.

I have one client in Croatia. If any one has an idea of how Master Programs are structured down there, it would be appreciated.

Im heading out to Croatia next week actually...Ill ask around and see if I can't dig anything up.

SolarEnergy
March 26th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Thanks to all of you.

I find your post very informative. Thank you very much.

I'll wait for news about Croatia. This one is of a particular interest for me.

Thumbs up to all other countries that made the effort of structuring a Master Swimmer's program.

orca1946
March 27th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Are results from these meets available to see ?

Rykno
March 27th, 2010, 02:15 PM
at the swedish site you can find results from the last 10+ meets

http://simforbundet.se/swwwing/app/cm/Browse.jsp?PAGE=1647

SM = swedish

NM = Nordic

EM = Euro

VM = Worlds

the results from 2010 SM is on my previous post but can also be seen here

http://www.vaxjosimsallskap.com/masters-sm-2010/includes/media/docs/resultatlistan.html

Namor
March 27th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Funny enough, I got two clients in the UK, one in Bristol the other in Wales.

Both of these guys are under the impression that they can not compete as Master Swimmers. Based on your input, they should have at least given their federation a call to see?

I think they need to belong to the ASA (the British swimming association) to compete in a Masters event and this may require joining a club. If you or they post on the swimclub.co.uk website someone there is likely to know.

ivan504
March 29th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Are results from these meets available to see ?

males: http://www.abmn.org.br/resultados.asp?sexo=M
females: http://www.abmn.org.br/resultados.asp?sexo=F

then:
livre = FR, peito = BR, costas = BK, borboleta = FLY
and click on a meet. Meets named "campeonato brasileiro" are almost all LCM; the others are almost all SCM.

guppy
May 25th, 2010, 04:34 PM
If you have swum with the Masters group or in the public pool at Buonconvento, Italy I would appreciate hearing from you. Many thanks!

couldbebetterfly
May 25th, 2010, 06:19 PM
I think they need to belong to the ASA (the British swimming association) to compete in a Masters event and this may require joining a club. If you or they post on the swimclub.co.uk website someone there is likely to know.

I swam Masters in the UK for 10 years on and off.... To compete you do need to belong to the ASA and this is done through a club. I never saw any "UNAT" swimmers compete so approaching their local club would be the best bet. Also with the UK being a bit smaller than the USA most people can find a choice of clubs within 1/2 hour drive of home!

Some clubs have a dedicated Masters squad, some you get to swim with the older kids and others have an "adult swim" lane whereby you don't get coached, but you do get pool-time.