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ande
February 15th, 2011, 02:43 PM
The 2012 United States Olympic Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)
will once again be held at the Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
The 2008 Trials set a new standard for swimming excitement and 2012 promises to bring even more poolside thrills to America's Heartland.
Check back often for updates as we draw closer to naming the team that will represent the United States in the pool at the London Olympic Games.

When: Mon June 25th - Mon July 2nd 2012
DAYS Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Where: Qwest Center Omaha
455 North 10th Street Omaha, NE 68102

PSYCH Sheet (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.omegatiming.com/Sport?sport=AQ)


One cool thing is the website has USA Olympic Swimming Trials Results from 1920 - 2008 (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en)


CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


APPROVED TECH SUITS


Link to 2012 Olympic Swimming


but the coolest thing is our 2012 LCM Nats (http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php) is in the same pool starting Thu July 5th, 2012

2012 USMS Summer LCM Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
Thu July 5 - Sun 8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012


2012 Olympics USMS Forum Site

That Guy
February 15th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Olympic Trials are linked with USMS LCM Nationals: http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php

2012 USMS Summer Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
July 5-8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012

This is THE best Masters Nationals to attend, maybe ever.

pwb
February 15th, 2011, 06:20 PM
CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)
I can't speak for the other cuts, but the men's 400 free cut hasn't changed since 1988 (maybe even earlier than that). I know all too well because I missed it then by a margin that still pains me. The 400 IM appears to have gotten a few seconds faster, though, probably a combination of back rollover turns and Kitajima-legalizing the dolphin on the breast pullout.

orca1946
February 15th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Andy, thanx for the update.:applaud:

havepoolwillswim
February 16th, 2011, 12:40 AM
Cool- I just need to drop a minute in my 400 free...

knelson
February 16th, 2011, 01:25 AM
I can't speak for the other cuts, but the men's 400 free cut hasn't changed since 1988

Yeah, the cuts aren't that fast. I'm sure lots of events will have more than 100 qualifiers. Is this really a good idea? Shouldn't Trials be a truly elite meet? I don't know. It does give lots of kids who really don't have a chance at making the team experience at a meet of this magnitude. It also brings in a lot more money to USA Swimming and Omaha. I have a feeling that second point may be the real reason they keep the cuts on the 'slow' side.

havepoolwillswim
February 16th, 2011, 09:26 AM
Here's the link to the Olympic swimming schedule

http://media.ticketmaster.com/en-gb/img/sys/tournament/london2012/oly-swimming.pdf

That Guy
February 16th, 2011, 09:59 AM
Yeah, the cuts aren't that fast. I'm sure lots of events will have more than 100 qualifiers. Is this really a good idea? Shouldn't Trials be a truly elite meet? I don't know. It does give lots of kids who really don't have a chance at making the team experience at a meet of this magnitude. It also brings in a lot more money to USA Swimming and Omaha. I have a feeling that second point may be the real reason they keep the cuts on the 'slow' side.

If I recall correctly, it used to be possible to qualify for Trials in SCY and SCM. Now you can only qualify in LCM. So the times may not have changed, but it's still tougher to qualify if you're a short course specialist or don't have long course meets in your area.

tjrpatt
February 16th, 2011, 10:29 AM
If I recall correctly, it used to be possible to qualify for Trials in SCY and SCM. Now you can only qualify in LCM. So the times may not have changed, but it's still tougher to qualify if you're a short course specialist or don't have long course meets in your area.


This is actually a good thing. I remember several people qualifying for Trials in SCY and yet not being near the qualifying time in LCM. Or, they just go to Trials even if they didn't train for it. Now, you have to do the time in LCM and thus, there will be some hard work behind. I say bravo to USA Swimming for putting their foot down. Also, the Olympics are in LCM, not Yards!

jaadams1
February 16th, 2011, 10:31 AM
If I recall correctly, it used to be possible to qualify for Trials in SCY and SCM. Now you can only qualify in LCM. So the times may not have changed, but it's still tougher to qualify if you're a short course specialist or don't have long course meets in your area.

That is true, at least the SCY part...I know because I made it in college one year (barely) in the 1650, but wasn't going to train my butt off for 3 more years to wait for the trials event only to come in DFL:bolt:

Jeff Commings
February 16th, 2011, 10:46 AM
In 2008, the first day was looooong. Not just because they had three 400s that day, but because there were eight or nine heats of each. The longer the event, the fewer they should allow, for time. When I swam at Trials, only 50 people made the 100 breast cut. I think there will be a lot more than that in 2012.

pwb
February 16th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Yeah, the cuts aren't that fast.
I wouldn't go that far. These are still darn fast times and anyone who makes them should feel very proud. However, with guys going 3:40-low in the 400 and sub 15- in the 1500, it's probably unrealistic that someone who just makes the cut in either of those events is going to breakout to be a contender.


Is this really a good idea? Shouldn't Trials be a truly elite meet? I can go both ways on this. I agree it should be an elite meet and it always is. The upside of more generous (but still fast) times, though, is that it might allow some up & coming teenagers the opportunity to compete at Trials, for example, in 2012 to take in the experience, the atmosphere, the stress, etc. and put them in a better place to compete 4 years later? Would making the cuts so fast that only 24/32 swimmers showed up be good for the broader swimming community? Would it change the outcomes. I think "probably not" and "no."


This is actually a good thing. I remember several people qualifying for Trials in SCY and yet not being near the qualifying time in LCM. Or, they just go to Trials even if they didn't train for it. Now, you have to do the time in LCM and thus, there will be some hard work behind. I say bravo to USA Swimming for putting their foot down. Also, the Olympics are in LCM, not Yards!I agree with you, Tom. LCM swimming is different and the Olympics are LCM, so cuts should be. However, I only remember going after LCM cuts back in college, but maybe that's because the focus was on NCAA cuts during SCY season. For how long has it only been LCM cuts? I thought it was that way all along?

pwolf66
February 16th, 2011, 11:12 AM
In 2008, the first day was looooong. Not just because they had three 400s that day, but because there were eight or nine heats of each. The longer the event, the fewer they should allow, for time. When I swam at Trials, only 50 people made the 100 breast cut. I think there will be a lot more than that in 2012.

thru 8/24/2010 (come on USA-S update the information!!!) there were 63 men who made the 100 Breast cut.

knelson
February 16th, 2011, 11:20 AM
I wouldn't go that far. These are still darn fast times and anyone who makes them should feel very proud. However, with guys going 3:40-low in the 400 and sub 15- in the 1500, it's probably unrealistic that someone who just makes the cut in either of those events is going to breakout to be a contender.

I knew someone would take issue with my choosing the word "slow." :) Yes, you catch my drift. Swimmers who just squeak under the cuts aren't going to be a factor at the meet...


For how long has it only been LCM cuts? I thought it was that way all along?

Since 2004. Luckily USA Swimming has a pdf of historical cuts for Nationals and OT's located here:
http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/d42800b2-0cc1-452e-b3b0-a241727db437/Standards_Template_Past.pdf
It confirms what you said, too. The cut in the 400 free was 3:59.79 in 1988. For 2012 it's 3:59.99, so it's actually gotten slower by two tenths.

ghost88
February 16th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Hoping to make it there this year...

ande
February 16th, 2011, 12:13 PM
Pat,

I feel your pain. I never swam in an Olympic Trials meet.

In 1984, I didn't go to trials but made OT cuts about month after the meet in the 50 fr, 100 fr & 100 fl.

I watched the 1988 trials in Austin but wasn't training much at the time.

From the fall of 1990 to the summer of 1992 I attempted to make the
1992 50 free trials cuts. The cut was 23.49 and my best swim was 23.65.
So I missed it by 16 hundredths, but I had a blast training.

Oh well.

Ande



I can't speak for the other cuts, but the men's 400 free cut hasn't changed since 1988 (maybe even earlier than that). I know all too well because I missed it then by a margin that still pains me. The 400 IM appears to have gotten a few seconds faster, though, probably a combination of back rollover turns and Kitajima-legalizing the dolphin on the breast pullout.

ande
February 16th, 2011, 12:32 PM
BINGO, the times are what they are to give many swimmers a chance and the experience. Especially great for up and comers who need another 4 years to develop.

There might not be as many entrants for 2012 as there were in 2008, especially with Men because of the cut off date for QT's
"Qualifying Period Oct 1, 2009 to entry deadline"
Which means
Men have to wear textile jammers &
Women have to wear Textile zipperless Kneeskins

APPROVED TECH SUITS



Yeah, the cuts aren't that fast. I'm sure lots of events will have more than 100 qualifiers. Is this really a good idea? Shouldn't Trials be a truly elite meet? I don't know. It does give lots of kids who really don't have a chance at making the team experience at a meet of this magnitude. It also brings in a lot more money to USA Swimming and Omaha. I have a feeling that second point may be the real reason they keep the cuts on the 'slow' side.

lefty
February 16th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Yeah, the cuts aren't that fast. I'm sure lots of events will have more than 100 qualifiers. Is this really a good idea? Shouldn't Trials be a truly elite meet? I don't know. It does give lots of kids who really don't have a chance at making the team experience at a meet of this magnitude. It also brings in a lot more money to USA Swimming and Omaha. I have a feeling that second point may be the real reason they keep the cuts on the 'slow' side.

Here is what I think happened:

(this part I know to be true): In 2000 it was decided that there would be no summer nationals meet because that meet is always slow in the Olympic year. Trial cuts were slowed so that low-elite swimmers - the ones who are in between National cuts and the former Trial cuts - would have a focus meet to swim at that summer. So that was the first mega-meet trials.

It didn't take much to realize the economic impact of a meet that size so when the Summer Nationals was put back in place in 2004 they kept the tiral cuts "slow" so the meet could be sold to the host city for more money. Just a guess, but I bet Omaha pays USA Swimming atleast $250,000 to host the meet.

ande
March 9th, 2011, 09:33 AM
added Days Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p0=0)

NEWS: Swimming expands role for Trials (Omaha World-Herald Jan. 24 2011) (http://www.omaha.com/article/20110124/SPORTS/701249751)

Lump
March 9th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Pat,

I feel your pain. I never swam in an Olympic Trials meet.

In 1984, I didn't go to trials but made OT cuts about month after the meet in the 50 fr, 100 fr & 100 fl.

I watched the 1988 trials in Austin but wasn't training much at the time.

From the fall of 1990 to the summer of 1992 I attempted to make the
1992 50 free trials cuts. The cut was 23.49 and my best swim was 23.65.
So I missed it by 16 hundredths, but I had a blast training.

Oh well.

Ande

Same pain here! In 1988 I made the OT cut in the mile a week or two late at a meet where I beat Artur Wojdat (400 WR at the time!). My time from that meet would have put me 16th at trials. In 1992 the cut in the 400 was 3:58 and I went 3:58 missing it by like a tenth! I retired from swimming in 1993 until Masters in 2008.

gdanner
March 9th, 2011, 02:28 PM
I agree with you, Tom. LCM swimming is different and the Olympics are LCM, so cuts should be. However, I only remember going after LCM cuts back in college, but maybe that's because the focus was on NCAA cuts during SCY season. For how long has it only been LCM cuts? I thought it was that way all along?

Well, I'm also in the never made OT's boat. I understand the reasoning of having the cuts only in LCM, but it's still painful when the cut would have been right around my yards time. As much as I enjoy my club team over the summer, the teammate talent level and practices just weren't the same as college. To make matters worse, they made the 200 fly cut slower in 2008 and 2012 by almost a full second. It's almost like they're begging me to quit my job and try to get it again :)

rtodd
March 9th, 2011, 07:39 PM
This is a great thread. I like hearing about your background and experineces with OT cut times. Making cuts is secondary to the dream and the effort to try. You guys should all be proud. Keep the stories coming.

Speedo
March 10th, 2011, 10:08 AM
I wasn't as close to OT cuts as some here. I was reasonably close in the 50 and 100 free but severed my tricept tendon in 1991. I was out for 2 months for the injury but managed to swim the identical time as the year before in the 50 at conference championships in the spring of 1992. It would have been a lot of work and waiting just to make 1996 cuts, and that certainly wasn't guaranteed, either.

These days I see seniors or post-grads who are close to cuts keep training with the college team or with club teams, to give it another shot. I don't recall ever having that opportunity- with either the college team, a masters team or club team. When we graduated, that was it. I'm not sure if that was by design be the coach (i.e "get out in the real world and make a living- get your life started"), or if I just wanted all of those years of competitive swimming to be done.

Lump
March 10th, 2011, 04:16 PM
These days I see seniors or post-grads who are close to cuts keep training with the college team or with club teams, to give it another shot. I don't recall ever having that opportunity- with either the college team, a masters team or club team. When we graduated, that was it. I'm not sure if that was by design be the coach (i.e "get out in the real world and make a living- get your life started"), or if I just wanted all of those years of competitive swimming to be done.

Yep, our era didn't have nearly the number of post college opportunites to keep swimming as they do today. Although with the economy the way it is I'm sure its harder than it was 4 years ago. Just goes to show how far the sport has come and how much more mainstream it is.

Maui Mike
March 10th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Anyone know when they started having OT time cuts? Or did they always have them?

That Guy
March 10th, 2011, 10:48 PM
added Days Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p0=0)

NEWS: Swimming expands role for Trials (Omaha World-Herald Jan. 24 2011) (http://www.omaha.com/article/20110124/SPORTS/701249751)

From the article:

Some Qwest Center Omaha dates for 2012: May 23, pool installation begins; June 8 to 10, Mutual of Omaha Swimvitational; June 22, pool first open to U.S. Trials swimmers; June 25 to July 2, U.S. Trials (heats at 10 a.m., finals at 7 p.m.); July 5 to 8, U.S. Masters Summer Nationals; July 8 to 14, pools removed.
Just curious: what will be the dimensions (lanes X meters) of the warm-up pool?

jroddin
March 11th, 2011, 02:57 PM
From the article:

Just curious: what will be the dimensions (lanes X meters) of the warm-up pool?

There will be eight 50m lanes plus five 25m lanes. Each lane will be 2.5 meters wide. The layout is such that there are 13 lanes side by side in one pool - five of them stop at 25m while 8 of them are 50m long.

Jazz Hands
March 11th, 2011, 03:02 PM
I was about 1.3 off the 50 free cut a few years ago, when I did my training in a lake. I think I can get closer, but it's a bit of a long shot.

That Guy
March 11th, 2011, 04:05 PM
There will be eight 50m lanes plus five 25m lanes. Each lane will be 2.5 meters wide. The layout is such that there are 13 lanes side by side in one pool - five of them stop at 25m while 8 of them are 50m long.


Thanks Jeff! :agree: (I'm asking purely for Masters Nationals visualization, as opposed to...)


I was about 1.3 off the 50 free cut a few years ago, when I did my training in a lake. I think I can get closer, but it's a bit of a long shot.

:cheerleader:G0:ohyeah:JAzZ:ohyeah:GO! :cheerleader:

orca1946
March 11th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Great times by all of you that even got close to cuts!!!!!!:applaud:

west1
March 11th, 2011, 06:24 PM
never made ot cut, definitely couldn't now that it's only in lcm. i need turns, baby!

tjrpatt
March 11th, 2011, 06:38 PM
never made the cut! I think that I was 7.5 seconds off or so when the 200 LCM fly cut was 2:05 in the 90s! I would have never gotten the yards OT cut. I need more water, not walls!

rtodd
March 11th, 2011, 07:20 PM
I'm 6 seconds off the 50 free cut.......hmmmm

jaadams1
March 11th, 2011, 08:08 PM
I just missed the cut for OT & Senior Nats (they were the same Qual Time) in 1996 with my 1650 Free at NAIA Nationals...went a 15:53, and the cut was 15:39 (14 seconds isn't much over a 1650 swim).

That Guy
March 11th, 2011, 09:19 PM
I'm 6 seconds off the 50 free cut.......hmmmm


6 seconds is fixable. But your anticipation of the start is crucial. When you believe that the starter is about to say "take your mark," dive in. :bolt:


14 seconds isn't much over a 1650 swim.

:lmao:

Kurt Dickson
March 11th, 2011, 10:09 PM
I was 0.12 off the 200 Free in 88.

I made the 200 Back cut last summer...for girls...does that count?:)

That Guy
March 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM
I'm not sure how long the event order has been posted on London2012.com, because this is the first time I've gone looking for it.

http://www.london2012.com/games/olympic-sport-competition-schedule/index.php?sport=Swimming&venue=&date=&Search.x=40&Search.y=13

There appear to be no changes to the event order since Beijing, except that prelims are in the morning and finals are at night, as it should be. That means that Omaha 2012 should be the same meet format as Omaha 2008. :applaud:

ande
March 29th, 2011, 12:15 PM
Edited first post and added a count down (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Charge
March 29th, 2011, 01:40 PM
[QUOTE=That Guy;238340]6 seconds is fixable. But your anticipation of the start is crucial. When you believe that the starter is about to say "take your mark," dive in. :bolt:


Or better yet, when the starter blows the whistle

kmoehumphreys
March 29th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Anyone know when they started having OT time cuts? Or did they always have them?

I first swam in the 1968 Trials and there were cuts then. It seemed like there were almost half as many swimmers per event than in the lc nationals a few weeks before.

Frank Thompson
March 29th, 2011, 09:43 PM
I am going to say 1964 because I know someone that swam in the 1960 Olympic Trials at Brennan Pools in Detroit, Michigan and they don't remember having time cuts to make the meet. I think that was the last year they had that policy. In 1964, they had trial cuts and they had separate meets for both Men and Women and they were not at the same place like today.

ande
June 27th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Olympic trials tix went on sale on Saturday*
You going?
You get your tix yet?
I picked up a pair.

http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2125&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en

http://www.ticketmaster.com/2012-US-Olympic-Team-Trials-Swimming-15session-package-tickets/artist/1611456

Plus 2012 Masters nats is the week after in the same pool

2012 USMS Summer Nationals
Qwest Center,*
Omaha, NE
July 5-8, 2012
LCM

chowmi
June 27th, 2011, 10:57 PM
I am going, at least the last 4 days!

My sister is doing all the planning. I'm just along for the ride. Plus the true-up check at the end of the trip. I wonder if the hot-dog sized millipede is still alive at the Omaha zoo. Maybe it will be the son of hot dog millipede.

Chris Stevenson
June 28th, 2011, 10:56 AM
Impressive (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27371.asp).


Steve West, 39, qualified for the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials this morning with a fifth-seeded 2:20.65, , and just missed the men's 35-39 200 breast FINA Masters world record of 2:20.29 set by Gillingham in 2004. The Trials cut is 2:20.79.

At 39 years of age, West broke the record for the oldest male American to qualify for an Olympic Trials. The record was previously held by Wally Dicks, who was 37 when he qualified for and swam at Trials in 2000 in the 100 breast. West, an All-American at Michigan, has swum at Trials before, previously competing in 1992, 1996 and 2000. West previously swam as an age grouper for Dave Salo at Irvine Novaquatics.

knelson
June 28th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Wow. Congrats Steve!

This news has got to get Jeff Commings fired up.

JimRude
June 28th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Impressive (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27371.asp).

That is a beastly swim.

That Guy
June 28th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Please add whoever I've missed!

:applaud: USMS swimmers who have made 2012 Trials cuts: :applaud:
J.P. Arnold, Nick Brunelli, Corrie Clark*, Mark Gangloff, Andy Grant, Dawn Heckman, Megan Jendrick, Cullen Jones, Robert Margalis*, Adam Mania, Ed Moses, Sabir Muhammad, Eric Shanteau&, Dara Torres, Steve West

:cheerleader:The Watch List: :cheerleader:
Dennis Baker, Jeff Commings, Noah Copeland, Greg Danner, Josh Davis, Erika Erndl*, Janet Evans, Erik Scalise, Susan Von Der Lippe

* I don't think they've competed in a Masters meet in quite a while, but what the heck, I'm including them anyway

& I think he only swam exhibition relays in a Masters meet one time, but what the heck, I'm including him anyway

Ahelee Sue Osborn
July 4th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Steve West, 39, qualified for the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials this morning with a fifth-seeded 2:20.65, , and just missed the men's 35-39 200 breast FINA Masters world record of 2:20.29 set by Gillingham in 2004. The Trials cut is 2:20.79.
At 39 years of age, West broke the record for the oldest male American to qualify for an Olympic Trials. The record was previously held by Wally Dicks, who was 37 when he qualified for and swam at Trials in 2000 in the 100 breast. West, an All-American at Michigan, has swum at Trials before, previously competing in 1992, 1996 and 2000. West previously swam as an age grouper for Dave Salo at Irvine Novaquatics. (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27371.asp)

Steve West interview.

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27410.asp?q=%3Ci%3EThe%20Morning%20Swim%20Show%3C/i%3E,%20July%204,%202011:%20Steve%20West%20Believe s%20Olympic%20Trials%20Not%20Out%20of%20Reach%20fo r%20Older%20Swimmers

Couldn't have happened for a nicer masters guy... And one who manages to combine highly competitive swimming & a super positive life focus.

Can't wait to watch him swim!

That Guy
August 8th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Old topic rekindled: Ryan Lochte going for nine (all 3 relays, 100-200 back, 200-400 IM, 200 free, ...100 free? :dunno:)
http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=547409.html#lofty+goal+lochte+going+nine (http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=547409.html#lofty+goal+lochte+going+nine)

New topic: could Missy Franklin go for eight? (all 3 relays, 100-200 back, 100-200 free, ...50 free? :dunno:)

gdanner
August 8th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Please add whoever I've missed!

:applaud: USMS swimmers who have made 2012 Trials cuts: :applaud:
J.P. Arnold, Nick Brunelli, Corrie Clark*, Mark Gangloff, Andy Grant, Dawn Heckman, Megan Jendrick, Cullen Jones, Robert Margalis*, Adam Mania, Ed Moses, Sabir Muhammad, Eric Shanteau&, Dara Torres, Steve West


Matt Haupt made the 200 fly cut at last summer's USMS Nationals.

swimshark
August 8th, 2011, 05:13 PM
One of the teens I practice with made the cut this past weekend in the 200 fly. I am super proud of him. He worked his tail off to do so well.

Frank Thompson
August 8th, 2011, 06:56 PM
Please add whoever I've missed!

:applaud: USMS swimmers who have made 2012 Trials cuts: :applaud:
J.P. Arnold, Nick Brunelli, Corrie Clark*, Mark Gangloff, Andy Grant, Dawn Heckman, Megan Jendrick, Cullen Jones, Robert Margalis*, Adam Mania, Ed Moses, Sabir Muhammad, Eric Shanteau&, Dara Torres, Steve West

:cheerleader:The Watch List: :cheerleader:
Dennis Baker, Jeff Commings, Noah Copeland, Greg Danner, Josh Davis, Erika Erndl*, Janet Evans, Erik Scalise, Susan Von Der Lippe

* I don't think they've competed in a Masters meet in quite a while, but what the heck, I'm including them anyway

& I think he only swam exhibition relays in a Masters meet one time, but what the heck, I'm including him anyway

Michigan Masters swimmer Kevin Doak made his Olympic Trial cut in the 100 meter Back this past week at Stanford. He swam a time of :57.44 and the cut was :57.59 and he will return to Omaha where he swam in this event in 2008.

http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2011/ConocoPhillipsNational/C74A_ResSummary_10_Heats_Men_100_Back.pdf

http://www.kevindoak.com/blog

ande
October 4th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Anyone going to the US Olympic Trials?

Schedule:

Prelims begin 10 a.m. CDT
Finals begin 7 p.m. CDT

Monday, June 25

Men's 400m IM
Women's 100m Fly
Men's 400m Free
Women's 400m IM
Men's 100m Breast

Men's 400m IM - Final
Women's 100m Fly - Semifinal
Men's 400m Free - Final
Women's 400m IM - Final
Men's 100m Breast - Semifinal


Tuesday, June 26

Women's 100m Back
Men's 200m Free
Women's 100m Breast
Men's 100m Back
Women's 400m Free

Women's 100m Fly - Final
Men's 200m Free - Semifinal
Women's 100m Breast - Semifinal
Men's 100m Breast - Final
Women's 400m Free - Final
Men's 100m Back - Semifinal
Women's 100m Back - Semifinal


Wednesday, June 27

Women's 200m Free
Men's 200m Fly
Women's 200m IM

Women's 200m Free - Semifinal
Men's 200m Free - Final
Women's 100m Back - Final
Men's 100m Back - Final
Women's 100m Breast - Final
Men's 200m Fly - Semifinal
Women's 200m IM -- Semifinal


Thursday, June 28

Men's 100m Free
Women's 200m Fly
Men's 200m Breast

Men's 100m Free - Semifinal
Women's 200m Free - Final
Men's 200m Fly - Final
Women's 200m Fly - Semifinal
Men's 200m Breast - Semifinal
Women's 200m IM - Final


Friday, June 29

Women's 100m Free
Men's 200m Back
Women's 200m Breast
Men's 200m IM

Men's 200m Breast - Final
Women's 100m Free - Semifinal
Men's 200m Back - Semifinal
Women's 200m Fly - Final
Men's 100m Free - Final
Women's 200m Breast - Semifinal
Men's 200m IM - Semifinal


Saturday, June 30

Men's 50m Free
Women's 800m Free
Men's 100m Fly
Women's 200m Back

Men's 50m Free - Semifinal
Women's 200m Breast - Final
Men's 200m Back - Final
Women's 200m Back - Semifinal
Men's 200m IM - Final
Women's 100m Free - Final
Men's 100m Fly - Semifinal


Sunday, July 1

Women's 50m Free
Men's 1500m Free

Women's 200m Back - Final
Men's 100m Fly - Final
Women's 800m Free - Final
Men's 50m Free - Final
Women's 50m Free - Semifinal


Monday, July 2

No Preliminaries

Women's 50m Free - Final
Men's 1500m Free - Final

That Guy
October 4th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Olympic Trials in the news... http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/Magazine/28179.asp

jaadams1
October 4th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Anyone going to the US Olympic Trials?


Jeff Commings is!! :bow: :cheerleader:

Slowswim
October 12th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Will the trails be streamed over the internet? I don't have access to US TV channels.

ande
November 3rd, 2011, 11:18 PM
2011 2012 USA Swimming grand prix Meets (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1420&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)
The 2011 - 2012 USA Swimming Grand Prix Series gives us previews of trials.

Minneapolis Grand Prix
Nov. 11-13, 2011 Minneapolis, Minn. LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2056&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Austin Grand Prix
Jan. 13-15, 2012 Austin, Texas LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2057&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Missouri Grand Prix
Feb. 10-12, 2012 Columbia, Mo. LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2058&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Columbus Grand Prix
Mar 9-11, 2012 Columbus, OH LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2060&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Indianapolis Grand Prix
Mar 29-31 2012 Indianapolis, Ind. LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2059&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Charlotte UltraSwim Grand Prix
May 10-13, 2012 Charlotte, N.C. LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2061&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Santa Clara International Grand Prix
May 31-June 3, 2012 Santa Clara, Calif. LCM (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2062&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)


2012 OLYMPIC TEAM TRIALS (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2124&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

ande
November 11th, 2011, 11:09 AM
The 2011 - 12 USA Swimming Grand Prix Series (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2056&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) kicks off today.
Fri Nov. 11-13 in
Minneapolis, Minn. at the University Aquatic Center on the campus of the University of Minnesota.
Prelims 9 a.m. CT and
Finals start at
6 p.m. CT Friday and Saturday and
5 p.m. Sunday.

orca1946
November 11th, 2011, 11:39 AM
Ande, thanx for the mon - mon line up.

Betsy
November 13th, 2011, 06:06 AM
There were qualifying times in 1956.
I went on the USA-S website and searched for Olympic Trials 1956 and found a photocopy of the heat sheet. Very interesting. What surprised me most was how few events there were. There was a 200 breast, but no 100 breast. There was a 100 back, but no 200 back.
I qualified in the 100 free, but did not go as I had just barely made the cut. Until I found the heat sheet, I wondered why I didn't qualify in the 100 breast as I always thought I was better in that event. Ironically, in my Masters career, 100 free is one of my worst events. Maybe some day I'll surprise myself.

swimshark
November 15th, 2011, 07:36 AM
There were qualifying times in 1956.
I went on the USA-S website and searched for Olympic Trials 1956 and found a photocopy of the heat sheet. Very interesting. What surprised me most was how few events there were. There was a 200 breast, but no 100 breast. There was a 100 back, but no 200 back.
I qualified in the 100 free, but did not go as I had just barely made the cut. Until I found the heat sheet, I wondered why I didn't qualify in the 100 breast as I always thought I was better in that event. Ironically, in my Masters career, 100 free is one of my worst events. Maybe some day I'll surprise myself.

Betsy, that's great that you qualified. More than I have ever done. Do you have the link to the 1956 heat sheets? I have a friend who went then and would love to see them.

knelson
November 15th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Do you have the link to the 1956 heat sheets?

Results for past OTs can be found here: http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en

Rich Abrahams
November 15th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Results for past OTs can be found here: http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en

Kirk,
Thanks for the memories. Never saw these before. In '64 I got crushed between Don Schollander and Tim Garton in the last heat of the 100 free. Who knew you had to train before swimming at Trails?
Rich

knelson
November 15th, 2011, 03:38 PM
In '64 I got crushed between Don Schollander and Tim Garton in the last heat of the 100 free.

Oops. Yeah, looks like you did some serious wake eating! :drowning:

gobears
November 15th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Results for past OTs can be found here: http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en

Wow, cool! Lots of names I hadn't heard in awhile!

knelson
November 16th, 2011, 12:42 AM
Wow, cool! Lots of names I hadn't heard in awhile!

I especially like the older, scanned results. You actually have to read through the results rather than search so you end up seeing all kinds of "blast from the past" names!

chowmi
November 16th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Look for me in '88! 50 free. That would be about 2nd to last. I qualified with a 26.71 at which time I made the top 25 Americans list. And then promptly went into a major slump and was just trying to break 28 at that meet. My goal - beat someone. Anyone. Like the girl next me (I was in an end lane). The joy of first having someone false start in my heat. I remember feeling the pressure off - since my name would come ahead of the DQ's. I beat the girl next to me. I think she got about last.

knelson
November 16th, 2011, 11:39 AM
My goal - beat someone.

Without mentioning where she finished in the 50 free (but suffice it to say she was pretty close to Michelle!) I noticed a teammate of mine at Michigan State, Mary Schoenle, in the results. She also finished around 20th in the 100 breast and may have swum other events, too. Mary's last name is now Armstrong and she's back swimming masters and posted some great times in Mesa!

fatboy
November 16th, 2011, 12:57 PM
I especially like the older, scanned results. You actually have to read through the results rather than search so you end up seeing all kinds of "blast from the past" names!

Some very cool names. BTW, I was able to search in the 1972 trial results.

ande
December 7th, 2011, 12:35 PM
200 Days till the 2012 U.S. Olympic Team Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) begin

2012 Olympic Trials Time Standards (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)

2012 Olympic Trials Order of Events (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/87b7cb60-8a1e-44e8-b2da-e923c73d1d03/Order%20of%20events.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Men (Updated 8/29/2011) (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/4eb50063-a0e0-46fc-b9d3-f9c1a838dd94/men_12_trials_qual.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Women (Updated 8/29/2011) (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/f9979c04-8f4a-45ea-bd15-9df994343f48/women_12_trials_qual.pdf)

ande
December 16th, 2011, 12:30 PM
ED MOSES LAUNCHES “AGAINST THE TIDE” REALITY SERIES (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1403&itemid=4025&mid=4631)

www.facebook.com/AgainstTheTideTVShow (http://www.facebook.com/AgainstTheTideTVShow)

havepoolwillswim
December 18th, 2011, 12:23 AM
2012 Olympic Trials Order of Events (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/87b7cb60-8a1e-44e8-b2da-e923c73d1d03/Order%20of%20events.pdf)

June 27 - Wednesday
200 Free – women - semifinal
200 Free – men - FINAL
100 Back – women - FINAL
100 Back – men - FINAL
100 Breast – women - FINAL
200 Fly – men - semifinal
200 IM – women - semifinal

Like a lot of us, I'm wondering what Phelps and Lochte will swim. Will Phelps try to make the team in the 100 back? Will Lochte? Could Phelps swim the finals in free and back, and then the semi-final in fly in one night?

ande
December 22nd, 2011, 01:10 AM
Ryan Lochte loves racing Michael Phelps, ready for challenge (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/story/2011-12-21/ryan-lochte-michael-phelps/52137168/1)

ande
January 11th, 2012, 09:26 AM
Missy Franklin WSJ article
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577153054136465114.html

Chris Stevenson
January 11th, 2012, 11:58 AM
Missy Franklin WSJ article
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577153054136465114.html

A nice article...but I am really growing to hate the NCAA for its idiotic rules and stunning hypocrisy while colleges (and others) make huge piles of money from NCAA sports (mostly football and basketball, or course).

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/


Two of the noble principles on which the NCAA justifies its existence—“amateurism” and the “student-athlete”—are cynical hoaxes, legalistic confections propagated by the universities so they can exploit the skills and fame of young athletes.

I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article -- and I don't think that a university will gain a lot of money from Missy Franklin matriculating there -- but it is definitely worth a read.

IMO Missy Frankly or anyone else should be able to make money while competing for whatever college team she likes.

(Sorry for the hijack)

That Guy
January 11th, 2012, 01:23 PM
A nice article...but I am really growing to hate the NCAA for its idiotic rules and stunning hypocrisy while colleges (and others) make huge piles of money from NCAA sports (mostly football and basketball, or course).


This past college football season I found myself checking the latest news almost every day. I did this not out of particular interest for the games but to follow the drama around the conference moves. For each school to get teevee megabucks, they need to be in a major conference. For each conference to be major, they need as many competitive programs as possible. So for everyone to get the most money, they need an infinite number of participants. Sound familiar? A pyramid scheme fails for the same exact reason. So while the pundits, sportswriters, and so on bluster about the administrators' greed, the plight of the student-athletes, etc., I'm actually rooting for the conference pyramid scheme to play out, all the way out, resulting in the deletion of the NCAA. "Greed is good. Greed works." :lmao:

lefty
January 11th, 2012, 02:55 PM
I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article -- and I don't think that a university will gain a lot of money from Missy Franklin matriculating there -- but it is definitely worth a read.

A worthy question:

Stanford turns down thousands of applicants per year. If you believe them, it is not because they don't have the room, but rather because they only accept worthy candidates. In fact there is always room for more worthy candidates.

If you think Missy Franklin would increase worthy candidates who apply to Stanford by 2 or so per year (non-swimmers) then she is bringing $100,000 of tuition (for 4 years) to the school that they otherwise would not have. And the majority of the costs for a school are fixed so there would not be much impact on expenses by the 2 additional students.

This is essentially the argument I made to my college when we were trying to get the pool expanded.

aquageek
January 11th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Whatever she does hopefully she won't come derailed like Knutson did. I don't really care one way or the other about kids getting paid and going to college but we should remember that there is a definite value to a college degree that should be factored in, even if you went to Texas or Auburn or Cal.

aquageek
January 11th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Or UNC. If ya'll would actually pay your players(cough cough...auburn) you might get out of the acc sewer.

We tried, didn't help.

Chris Stevenson
January 11th, 2012, 05:31 PM
we should remember that there is a definite value to a college degree that should be factored in, even if you went to Texas or Auburn or Cal.

Athletic scholarships are not nothing, sure. The money Franklin would have earned already would pay for 4 years at most schools, though.

But for the NCAA to wax piously about the need for college athletes to be amateurs while making piles of money off their efforts is nauseating.

havepoolwillswim
January 11th, 2012, 06:22 PM
How much is a full ride at a major university these days worth? And if Franklin were to turn pro tomorrow, how much could she potentially earn? Let's say she wins 7 medals in London.

Chris Stevenson
January 11th, 2012, 06:37 PM
How much is a full ride at a major university these days worth?

Depends on the school, of course. At University of Virginia (http://www.virginia.edu/studentaccounts/tuition_and_fee2010-2011.html), for example, tuition for out-of-state residents is almost 17k$ per semester; athletes also get room & board, books and food (at least, they used to...).

If we are talking UNC, of course the answer is: priceless.

(While diplomas from Dook aren't worth the paper they are printed on.)

pwb
January 11th, 2012, 06:57 PM
for the NCAA to wax piously about the need for college athletes to be amateurs while making piles of money off their efforts is nauseating.Agreed.

ande
January 12th, 2012, 11:22 AM
A nice article...but I am really growing to hate the NCAA for its idiotic rules and stunning hypocrisy while colleges (and others) make huge piles of money from NCAA sports (mostly football and basketball, or course).
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/
I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article -- and I don't think that a university will gain a lot of money from Missy Franklin matriculating there -- but it is definitely worth a read.
IMO Missy Frankly or anyone else should be able to make money while competing for whatever college team she likes.
(Sorry for the hijack)

What's interesting and idiotic about NCAA rules is, I believe a HS senior could become a pro baseball player for a few years then attend a university and be eligible to do a different sport like football or track.

I think Missy should go pro before trials, she's likely to earn 5 or 10 times more or more as a pro swimmer than the cost of any 4 year scholarship at any Div 1 school, but I guess she wants the NCAA experience. Heard she might be leaning towards Cal or Stanford.

Janet Evans was the darling of the 1988 Olympics and I imagine she missed out on some significant endorsement deals by waiting to turn pro.

A few years ago I heard that with the emergence of swimming super stars like Phelps, Lochte, and Coughlin who have signficant suit contacts, it's lowered the budget for the really incredible next tier of swimmers.

Wonder if Phelps will be like Michael Jordan and continue to have significant endorsement deals when he's retired?

I hope Omaha & London are incredible for Missy.
We'll see

Stevepowell
January 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM
What's interesting and idiotic about NCAA rules is, I believe a HS senior could become a pro baseball player for a few years then attend a university and be eligible to do a different sport like football or track.



Yup, Brandon Weeden (QB for Ok State) played pro baseball first.

ande
January 19th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Industry News: Janet Evans Signs With Arena -- January 18, 2012 (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/Industry/29309.asp?q=Industry%20News:%20Janet%20Evans%20Sig ns%20With%20Arena)

PatrickJM
January 20th, 2012, 09:01 AM
My poor wife and kids. Their summer vacation is going to be in Omaha. But this could be a nice change from the brutal heat of Florida, so I'm thinking every four years??

ande
January 27th, 2012, 01:18 AM
Team is teen Missy Franklin's priority, not prize money

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/story/2012-01-26/missy-franklin-high-school-team/52808936/1

ande
February 3rd, 2012, 01:02 PM
Janet Evans on Fri Feb 3rd 2012 Morning Swim Show (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/MorningSwimShow/29472.asp?q=<i>The-Morning-Swim-Show</i>,-Feb.-3,-2012:-Swimming-Legend-Janet-Evans-Joins-Show-to-Talk-About-Olympic-Trials-Cuts)

ALM
February 3rd, 2012, 01:27 PM
Olympian and USMS member Adam Mania (http://www.usms.org/people/06U5A) is featured in two articles on the USA Swimming web site:

TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS: ADAM MANIA, PART 1 (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=4115&mid=9874)

TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS: ADAM MANIA, PART 2 (http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&itemid=4133&mid=8712)

ande
February 27th, 2012, 04:11 PM
there should be some fast swimming this coming weekend

in Texas most College Swimmers are rested to slightly rested for Conference & continuing to rest for NCAAs

TX just had it's 4A (http://www.tsc.utexas.edu/results/4a/index.htm) & 5A state swimming championships (http://www.tsc.utexas.edu/results/5a/index.htm) many of those kids are rested and some will be going for the OT cuts.


In Austin, TX
March 1 - 3
2012 American Short Course championships (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/documents/2012MeetAnnoucement_001.pdf) &
March 4 Long Course Time Trials
Longhorn Aquatics Meets page (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/)
PSYCH SHEET (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/documents/amscpsych_000.pdf)

& at A&M are the

2012 Speedo Champions Series Southern Zone Short Course Sectional Championships (http://www.texasseniorcircuitswimming.org/2009meetschedule.htm#2012SCSect)
March 1 - 4, 2012
Meet INFO (http://www.texasseniorcircuitswimming.org/2012Items/2012_SCSect.pdf)

That Guy
February 27th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Looks like American Short Course Championships results will be posted here: http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/results/index.htm

no200fly
February 27th, 2012, 07:02 PM
What's interesting and idiotic about NCAA rules is, I believe a HS senior could become a pro baseball player for a few years then attend a university and be eligible to do a different sport like football or track.

I think Missy should go pro before trials, she's likely to earn 5 or 10 times more or more as a pro swimmer than the cost of any 4 year scholarship at any Div 1 school, but I guess she wants the NCAA experience. Heard she might be leaning towards Cal or Stanford.

Janet Evans was the darling of the 1988 Olympics and I imagine she missed out on some significant endorsement deals by waiting to turn pro.

A few years ago I heard that with the emergence of swimming super stars like Phelps, Lochte, and Coughlin who have signficant suit contacts, it's lowered the budget for the really incredible next tier of swimmers.

Wonder if Phelps will be like Michael Jordan and continue to have significant endorsement deals when he's retired?

I hope Omaha & London are incredible for Missy.
We'll see

I agree with you Ande. A 16 year old really does not have sufficient experience or information to understand what the amount of money she would receive would mean to her future. Very few people have the ability to make a million dollars in a year.

The articles seem to indicate that she has a close relationship with her family and I assume they are reluctant to push her to a decision, but years from now will she look back and think of things that might have been?

I think she should look at a middle ground, like going to UT and swimming with Eddie Reese. She could then get the money, the college experience and have the camaraderie of the swimmers in that program.

smontanaro
February 27th, 2012, 07:21 PM
I agree with you Ande. A 16 year old really does not have sufficient experience or information to understand what the amount of money she would receive would mean to her future.

The Hockey Exemption (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/opinion/nocera-the-hockey-exemption.html?_r=1&ref=joenocera)


It’s taken awhile, but I finally found an example of the N.C.A.A. doing right by college athletes. Here’s the catch, though: It does so by averting its eyes from the systematic violation of one of its typically awful rules.

The sport in question is hockey. It’s not a big revenue sport like football, but it is one where the players typically enroll in college with the dream of one day playing in the National Hockey League. Indeed, they often decide to attend college because they’ve been advised that it’s their best route to the pros.

And who gives them that advice? It turns out that most big-time junior hockey players have professional agents.

S

That Guy
February 28th, 2012, 07:25 PM
British Olympic Trials start on Saturday... http://www.swimming.org/britishswimming/2012trials/results-and-reports/

ande
February 29th, 2012, 04:22 PM
I agree with you Ande. A 16 year old really does not have sufficient experience or information to understand what the amount of money she would receive would mean to her future. Very few people have the ability to make a million dollars in a year.

The articles seem to indicate that she has a close relationship with her family and I assume they are reluctant to push her to a decision, but years from now will she look back and think of things that might have been?

I think she should look at a middle ground, like going to UT and swimming with Eddie Reese. She could then get the money, the college experience and have the camaraderie of the swimmers in that program.


Not sure training with Eddie would give her as much camaradarie as being part of an NCAA team. Missy's choice to remain amatuer just comes with a very high price tag.

Eddie trains UT men & post grads, but has trained Kathleen Hersey for the past 2 years. Kim Brackin & Jim Henry coach UT women. To Kims credit, she coached the Kirsty Coventry, 2008 Olympic Champion in the 200 back & current world record holder (http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=210:200m-backstroke&catid=100:women&Itemid=200), whith a time of 2:04.81. Kirsty recently returned to Austin to train with Kim & prepare for the 2012 Olympics. Missy's 2:05.10 200 LCM bk from 2011 world champis is definitely loudly knocking on that records door.

I don't think Missy will go pro, months ago I heard Stanford & Cal were on her short list. We'd love her to be a Longhorn.

Maybe as more offers come her way, it might get harder and harder to refuse them. I also wonder how long the window will be open for her to accept funds that she earlier refused.

Why not just let NCAA athletes earn $ from their ability?
Some of the NCAA athletes who have scholarships, in a sense, are just poorly paid pros by the school they represent.

NCAA RULES (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/compliance_forms/DI/DI%20Summary%20of%20NCAA%20Regulations.pdf)
it's interesting how they have the principle of
2. Amateurism – All Sports.
with a list of exceptions

havepoolwillswim
February 29th, 2012, 04:46 PM
I'm on the fence regarding Missy.

The opportunity of being a part of a team environment can come in all shapes and sizes throughout one's lifetime. However, this window of opportunity to make some serious money may be short for her.

Then again, she's got some extraordinary talent and drive. She has the potential to swim at the top for many years. Maybe then staying amateur for four years and going to college on scholarship is the best decision.

ande
March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM
American Short Course started today in Austin at UT where I train.

2012 American Short Course championships (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/documents/2012MeetAnnoucement_001.pdf) &

Plus they are holding LCM Time Trial on Sunday March 4 Longhorn Aquatics Meets page (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/)
PSYCH SHEET (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/meets/documents/amscpsych_000.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/results/)

It's cool that RESULTS showed 25 splits for the 50 fr & 200 IM. Hope it continues. More info is useful & better.
but this link won't last.
The data gets wiped when Longhorn does it's next meet.

Couple morning highlights

Brendan Hansen 30, went 1:48.07 in the 200 IM

10.55
23.92 (13.37)
37.94 (14.02)
51.40 (13.46)
1:06.39 (14.99)
1:21.43 (15.04)
1:35.24 (13.81)
1:48.07 (12.83)

Garrett Weber-Gale, 26 swam a very respectable 19.33 50 fr
9.34 19.33 (9.99)


2012 Southern Zone - Speedo Champions Series
(http://www.texasseniorcircuitswimming.org/2009meetschedule.htm#2012SCSect) Starts today at Texas A&M University, in College Station, Texas
Runs March 1 - 4, 2012
Meet INFO & Time Line (http://www.aggieswimclub.org/Aggie%20Swim%20Club/Meet%20Information/030112%20Sectionals%20Timeline.pdf)

PSYCH SHEET (http://www.aggieswimclub.org/Aggie%20Swim%20Club/Meet%20Information/030112%20Sectionals%20Psych%20-%20Revised.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.gulfswimming.org/tmp/)

havepoolwillswim
March 2nd, 2012, 12:36 AM
She's only 13 and she won the 200 IM!

1 Chloe Isleta 13 Santa Clara 2:04.88 2:02.75
27.21 58.34 (31.13)
1:34.32 (35.98) 2:02.75 (28.43)

That Guy
March 2nd, 2012, 10:07 AM
She's only 13 and she won the 200 IM!

1 Chloe Isleta 13 Santa Clara 2:04.88 2:02.75
27.21 58.34 (31.13)
1:34.32 (35.98) 2:02.75 (28.43)
and she raced the 500 free right before that (5:01) :applaud:

orca1946
March 2nd, 2012, 11:17 AM
To do that after the 500 is quite good. I need a lot more rest to get within a min. of that time!!!!!:cane:

orca1946
March 2nd, 2012, 11:17 AM
To do that after the 500 is quite good. I need a lot more rest to get within a min. of that time!!!!!:cane::bed:

knelson
March 2nd, 2012, 11:51 AM
and she raced the 500 free right before that (5:01) :applaud:

Wow. What a phenom!

ande
March 2nd, 2012, 01:50 PM
She's only 13 and she won the 200 IM!

1 Chloe Isleta 13 Santa Clara 2:04.88 2:02.75
27.21 58.34 (31.13) 1:34.32 (35.98) 2:02.75 (28.43)

I saw that, impressive.

today she won Women 400 Yard IM prelims but most fast Texas swimmers are at sectionals.


1 Chloe Isleta 13 Santa Clara 4:26.67 4:26.00
27.80 1:00.23 (32.43)
1:33.52 (33.29) 2:06.23 (32.71)
2:45.22 (38.99) 3:24.56 (39.34)
3:56.38 (31.82) 4:26.00 (29.62)


RESULTS (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/results/)


2012 Southern Zone - Speedo Champions Series (http://www.texasseniorcircuitswimming.org/2009meetschedule.htm#2012SCSect)
Texas A&M University, in College Station, Texas
March 1 - 4, 2012

RESULTS (http://www.gulfswimming.org/tmp/)

ande
March 12th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Michael Phelps: The Final Stretch -- March 12, 2012
Column by John Lohn, Swimming World senior writer (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/Commentary/29955.asp?q=Michael-Phelps:-The-Final-Stretch)

104 days till Trials


MEET INFO (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/7c0b441e-a631-4da2-856d-e512aea6514f/Meet%20Information%20Book%20rev%202-24-12.pdf)


2012 Olympic Trials Order of Events (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/87b7cb60-8a1e-44e8-b2da-e923c73d1d03/Order%20of%20events.pdf)

2012 Olympic Trials Time Standards (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Men (Updated 2/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/d670e133-ac04-4539-8fb4-652939541525/12_trials_qual_men%202-14-12.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Women (Updated 2/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/b06d784b-bd25-422f-998f-3e8322bfc971/12_trials_qual_women%202-14-12.pdf)


USA Swimming OT Site (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

ande
March 12th, 2012, 12:45 PM
It's very certain and almost a given that swimmers like Rebecca Soni, Natalie Coughlin, Missy Franklin, Allison Schmitt, Ryan Lochte, Michael Phelps, & Nathan Adrian will get their spots on the 2012 US Olympic Team

But one of the most exciting things about US OTs is the unexpected, those surprise qualifiers, the underdogs, those rapidly improving youngsters racing time, those comeback stories, & all the unexpected swimmers who make the US squad or even just make incredible improvements. those who shock the world and themselves. It's a wonder to behold.

it's tough, US only takes the top 6 men and women in the 100 & 200 free & only top 2 make all the other events.

A few unexpected olympians from years past might be:
michael in 2000, janet in 1988, Matt in 1984.

Who are your favorite unexpected US Olympians?

Who should we keep our eyes on for 2012?

Who are likely to be incredible in 2016?

Has anyone ever made a US olympic team who didn't even have trial cuts the year before?

can't wait for the fun to begin.

ElaineK
March 12th, 2012, 02:03 PM
I don't know what her chances of making the team are, but I would love to see Dara Torres succeed! :cheerleader:

knelson
March 12th, 2012, 02:21 PM
Who should we keep our eyes on for 2012?

Katie Ledecky in the 400 and 800 free.

swimmieAvsFan
March 12th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Katie Ledecky in the 400 and 800 free.

+1

Karl_S
March 12th, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jasmine Tosky probably won't punch her olympic ticket at trials, but she had a good 2011 and might have an outside chance on a relay or 2fly.

That Guy
March 12th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Australia's Olympic Trials start later this week. Here's the realtime results page: http://www.clubsonline.com.au/uploads/swimresults/National/2012Open/index.htm

Daaaave
March 13th, 2012, 11:54 AM
For a nation that reveres distance swimming with an amazing tradition in the men's 1500, kind of a letdown to see a 15:19 as the top seed at Aussie trials.

knelson
March 14th, 2012, 04:52 PM
For a nation that reveres distance swimming with an amazing tradition in the men's 1500, kind of a letdown to see a 15:19 as the top seed at Aussie trials.

I agree. Also only 21 men are entered in the 1500 and 14 women in the 800. And it's not that the qualifying standards are ridiculous, either. The 21st seed in the 1500 is a 16:08 (the US cut is 15:53) and the 14th seeded woman is 9:00 (US cut is 8:50).

That Guy
March 14th, 2012, 09:37 PM
In the men's 400 free prelim, David McKeon was the top qualifier with a 3:48. He was the only one under 3:52. It took 3:55 to make it back for the final. I wonder if Ian Thorpe is kicking himself right now for not going after the 400.

smontanaro
March 15th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Maybe the Aussies have learned to love sprinting...

ande
March 15th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Australia's Olympic Trials started
realtime results (http://www.clubsonline.com.au/uploads/swimresults/National/2012Open/index.htm)

Thanks, there's going to be some exciting races at their trials. Like

TRAVIS NEDERPELT's prelim 400 IM's has to be one of the fastest 400 IMs with such a slow backstroke split. BK was slow BR was FAST


Event 1 Men 400 LC Metre IM
1 NEDERPELT, TRAVIS 26 CITY OF PERTH 4:21.08 4:20.57B
0:26.94 57.91 (30.97)
1:33.37 (35.46) 2:08.45 (35.08)
2:43.43 (34.98) 3:19.38 (35.95)
3:50.30 (30.92) 4:20.57 (30.27)

then in finals Thomas Fraser-Holmes smashed Justin Norris' 4:15.20 Australian NR & Travis wound up 4th.

[B]Event 1 Men 400 LC Metre IM[/B

=== A - Final ===

1 FRASER-HOLMES, 20 MIAMI, QLD 4:20.73 4:11.81# 908
26.68 57.59 (30.91)
1:30.06 (32.47) 2:01.50 (31.44)
2:37.36 (35.86) 3:13.30 (35.94)
3:43.65 (30.35) 4:11.81 (28.16)

2 TRANTER, DANIEL 20 SOPAC, NSW 4:23.05 4:16.38A 860
26.73 57.50 (30.77)
1:30.82 (33.32) 2:03.83 (33.01)
2:39.02 (35.19) 3:14.95 (35.93)
3:46.56 (31.61) 4:16.38 (29.82)

3 LARKIN, MITCH 18 ST PETERS 4:24.00 4:18.38B 840
27.62 59.32 (31.70)
1:32.86 (33.54) 2:04.45 (31.59)
2:41.29 (36.84) 3:18.75 (37.46)
3:49.24 (30.49) 4:18.38 (29.14)

4 NEDERPELT, TRAV 26 CITY OF PERTH 4:20.57 4:21.01B 815
26.84 57.31 (30.47)
1:31.63 (34.32) 2:06.05 (34.42)
2:42.08 (36.03) 3:18.92 (36.84)
3:50.08 (31.16) 4:21.01 (30.93)

knelson
March 15th, 2012, 12:25 PM
My new favorite team is Nudgee Brothers.

That Guy
March 15th, 2012, 01:05 PM
My new favorite team is Nudgee Brothers.
wink wink

ande
March 20th, 2012, 04:24 PM
2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Men (Updated 2/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/d670e133-ac04-4539-8fb4-652939541525/12_trials_qual_men%202-14-12.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers - Women (Updated 2/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/b06d784b-bd25-422f-998f-3e8322bfc971/12_trials_qual_women%202-14-12.pdf)


Meet Information Book (Revised 2-24-12) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/7c0b441e-a631-4da2-856d-e512aea6514f/Meet%20Information%20Book%20rev%202-24-12.pdf)
has lots of great info like:

+ Entries will be accepted from Wednesday, March 28, 2012, until 1:00 p.m. (Central Time) Monday, June 18, 2012, through the On-Line Entry (OME) process at usaswimming.org/trials
& Times submitted to the USA Swimming SWIMS database by June 10, 2012, will be in the database. If a time for a swimmer is visible in the public search feature on the USA Swimming website (Times/Time Standards) and it was swum in the appro-priate qualifying period, it is considered a proven official time.
+ Page 19 has the cut list & says
says Qualifying period Oct 1, 2009 to entry deadline

+ pg 14 of 19 has the Qwest Center's seating chart

+ Please be aware that the Olympic rings are not allowed on apparel or other items according to the Amateur Sports Act. This will be policed by USOC personnel at the Trials.

+ Due to heightened security, all participants should be prepared for bag checks upon each entry to the venue. Please plan on some delays.

+ Any photographs, videotape or other audio and/or visual recordings of the event created by a specta-tor may be used solely for such spectator’s personal non-commercial use, and may not be broadcast, published or disseminated, or used for any commercial purposes, without the prior written consent of the USOC.0f


2012 OLYMPIC TEAM TRIALS - SWIMMING (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

ande
April 3rd, 2012, 01:10 AM
Ricky berens blog (http://www.rickyberens.com/?p=1128)

ande
April 4th, 2012, 12:27 PM
Longhorn Aquatics Elite Invite is happening in Austin, TX Fri June 1 - Sun 3, 2012 the same weekend as the Santa Clara GP

Meet Information (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/wp-content/uploads/EliteInvite.pdf)

Invite Only
Current List of Invited Teams:
Aggie Swim Club,
Athens Bulldogs Swim Club,
Auburn University,
Bluefish Swim Club,
Bolles School Sharks,
California Aquatics,
Clearwater Aquatic Team,
Club Wolverine,
Colorado Stars,
Curl Burke Swim Club,
Cypress Fairbanks Swim Club,
FAST,
Gator Swim Club,
Longhorn Aquatics,
Mission Viejo Nadadores,
Nashville Aquatic Club, N
orth Baltimore Aquatic Club,
Swim Atlanta,
SwimMAC Carolina,
T2O Aquatics,
Texas A&M University,
The Woodlands Swim Team,
Trojan Swim Club,
Tucson Ford Dealers Aquatics,
University of Arizona,
University of Florida,
University of Georgia,
University of Southern California,
University of Texas.

Fairly Fast Time Standards:

Order of Events & Qualifying Times
Event #'s / Women's Cut / Men's Cut

Friday, June 1, 2012

1/2 100 Freestyle 58.19 52.59
3/4 200 Breaststroke 2:39.49 2:24.49
5/6 400 Freestyle 4:23.79 4:05.19
7/8 100 Butterfly 1:02.99 57.09

Saturday, June 2, 2012

9/10 400 IM 4:59.69 4:35.49
11/12 200 Freestyle 2:05.49 1:55.49
13/14 200 Backstroke 2:19.49 2:08.19
15/16 50 Freestyle 26.89 24.29


Sunday, June 3, 2012

17/18 200 Butterfly 2:18.19 2:06.29
19/20 100 Breaststroke 1:13.89 1:06.69
21/22 800 Freestyle* / 1500 Freestyle* 9:03.49 16:14.29
23/24 100 Backstroke 1:04.99 59.39
25/26 200 IM 2:22.19 2:09.49

*Will swim at the END of prelims & must provide own counter.

ande
April 4th, 2012, 12:35 PM
to find Rankings Lists:

USA Swimming EVENT RANK SEARCH (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1482&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)
consider using:
Date Range: 01/01/2010 To Yesterday
Optional Search Parameters: Cut/Standard: "select" Olympic Trials


FINA: Swimming World Rankings (http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=805)

ande
April 4th, 2012, 12:39 PM
Anthony Ervin discusses his motivation for returning to swimming (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2129&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

"I'm here just to enjoy the experience."

havepoolwillswim
April 5th, 2012, 01:45 AM
Is there an advantage of having the U.S trials so close to the Olympics?

ande
April 5th, 2012, 03:26 PM
Is there an advantage of having the U.S trials so close to the Olympics?

Holding trials just a month before the games may give a rapidly improving swimmer more time to train, prepare, & improve for trials, which may give USA the best swimmers close to trials rather than the best swimmers 3 to 6 months before trials.

Certain swimmers pretty much have a "lock" on their spots. It wouldn't matter if trials were held, a day, a week, a month, 6 months, or even a year or 2 before trials. They'd wind up in 1st or 2nd in finals. We'd be very surprised if swimmers like Missy Franklin, Michael Phelps, Ryan Lochte, Rebecca Soni, Natalie Coughlin, Nathan Adrian, Allison Schmidt, Dana Vollmer, didn't make it. but some slots are crap shoots, they could go to a number of swimmers. It all depends on what happens at trials.

Times will tell

havepoolwillswim
April 5th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Holding trials just a month before the games may give a rapidly improving swimmer more time to train, prepare, & improve for trials, which may give USA the best swimmers close to trials rather than the best swimmers 3 to 6 months before trials.

Certain swimmers pretty much have a "lock" on their spots. It wouldn't matter if trials were held, a day, a week, a month, 6 months, or even a year or 2 before trials. They'd wind up in 1st or 2nd in finals. We'd be very surprised if swimmers like Missy Franklin, Michael Phelps, Ryan Lochte, Rebecca Soni, Natalie Coughlin, Nathan Adrian, Allison Schmidt, Dana Vollmer, didn't make it. but some slots are crap shoots, they could go to a number of swimmers. It all depends on what happens at trials.

Times will tell


Thanks Ande

Hiro11
April 6th, 2012, 10:00 AM
I have to say that outside of the Japanese trials, I'm a bit surprised at all of the relatively weak performances around the world in other trials. Great Britain and France were almost entirely let-downs (with a few notable exceptions). Outside of the men's 100 free and perhaps Stephanie Rice the Australians seem to be reeling. France's trials was basically a disaster outside of Agnel and Muffat.

Perhaps most interestingly, I thought for sure Chinese swimmers would show up big time, but there have been lots of disappointments at that meet, particularly Zhang Lin and Liu Zige. It might have something to do with the fact that this is not the only meet for Chinese swimmers to qualify for the games in. Still, having Wu win the men's 200 IM at just under 2:00 is a bit surprising for a country that's dedicated the resources to swimming that China has. I don't see a bunch of medal threats on the Chinese team at this point.

As I said, the Japanese swimmers showed up prepared to race, lots of impressive times there. However, in all honesty, not too many Japanese swimmers constitute genuine threats for gold.

Anthing can happen between now and the opening ceremonies, but things are looking pretty good for the US team if they show up and perform to their abilities.

selkie
April 6th, 2012, 11:25 AM
I wonder if air quality is playing a role in China. They're had one of their big middle distance stars totally bonk, and he chalked it up to asthma problems.

ande
April 10th, 2012, 02:37 PM
75 Days till Trials

FIVE MORE TO WATCH IN OMAHA (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1450&itemid=4308&mid=12330)

ande
April 10th, 2012, 02:56 PM
Interesting Fact Box:

Number of swimmers in USA Swimming:
About 250,000.

Number of swimmers expected to compete at Trials:
About 1,250, or 0.5 percent of the swimmers who are members of USA Swimming.

Number of spots available on the U.S. Olympic Team:
52

Maximum percentage of swimmers competing at Trials who can make the Olympic Team:
About four percent. That’s the maximum possible percentage.
The actual percentage will probably be lower.

Maximum percentage of swimmers from USA Swimming who will be named Olympians at Trials:
About .02 percent. Again, the actual percentage will probably be lower.


OLYMPIC GAMES QUALIFYING PROCEDURE (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2134&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

SLOmmafan
April 10th, 2012, 07:43 PM
It would be interesting to see how those percentages line up against other sports. For instance...is the average high school swimmer more likely to make the olympics than the average high school football player is to make the NFL?

ande
April 11th, 2012, 11:06 AM
The Morning Swim Show, April 11, 2012:
Jessica Hardy On Top of the World in Final Phase of Prep for Trials
April 11, 2012 (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/MorningSwimShow/30258.asp?q=<i>The-Morning-Swim-Show</i>,-April-11,-2012:-Jessica-Hardy-On-Top-of-the-World-in-Final-Phase-of-Prep-for-Trials)

ande
April 18th, 2012, 10:07 PM
Trials qualifiers as of April 1st 2012

Men:
http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/f7c4c821-30c0-4b37-b7af-740c1fc30be1/boys_trials_update_april1.pdf

Women:
http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/ab6ecbf4-cac4-40d0-aeac-72cd26165c80/girls_trials_update_april1.pdf

TRYM_Swimmer
April 18th, 2012, 10:22 PM
200 Br
108 2:20.14 Husson, Patrick 20 MD Unattached 2012 PV Speedo Champions Series 03/22/12

Shout out to my nephew, Patrick, Sophomore walk-on at UMBC, who's worked his tail off these past two years and has been rewarded. First member of the family to ever qualify, and in his father's and uncle's favorite event!

Couroboros
April 18th, 2012, 10:32 PM
Wow! Congratulations! You must be so proud. :)

ande
April 20th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Finally got around to thumbing through the 2012 SI Swimsuit Edition (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/swimsuit/) & noticed there were a few pages with Phelps & some with Natalie Coughlin. How could I have missed this?

Michael Phelps was featured with Bar Refaeli (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012_swimsuit/video/bar-refaeli-michael-phelps.html)


Natalie Coughlin Body Paint Speedo (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012_swimsuit/video/natalie-coughlin.html)
She appears to be quite fit and healthy. Excellent six pack.

You're welcome.

smontanaro
April 20th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Dunno about Phelps, but Natalie was certainly mentioned around here somewhere... :D

S

ande
April 21st, 2012, 05:53 AM
http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/9831a513-37fb-4514-ad61-48b15d4d8fba/2012%20Mutual%20of%20Omaha%20Swimvitational%20Fina l.doc-Feb.29.pdf

ande
April 21st, 2012, 06:07 AM
2012 Trials Pool Facts (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2135&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

ande
April 26th, 2012, 11:34 AM
59 Days till Trials


***Volunteer registration is now open***
Register (http://www.swimvolunteer.com/)



Mutual of Omaha Swimvitational
June 8 – 10, 2012
CenturyLink Center Omaha, NE

Mutual of Omaha Swimvitational Official Site (http://www.swimvitational.com/)

Meet Info (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/9831a513-37fb-4514-ad61-48b15d4d8fba/2012%20Mutual%20of%20Omaha%20Swimvitational%20Fina l.doc-Feb.29.pdf)




FIVE MORE TO WATCH IN OMAHA (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&itemid=4366&mid=8712)
4/25/2012 By Mike Watkins//Correspondent

5. Micah Lawrence
4. Eugene Godsoe
3. Dagny Knutson
2. Giles Smith
1. Madison Kennedy


JANET EVANS: NO REGRETS (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1450&itemid=4358&mid=12330)


ABOUT OMAHA (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2133&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)


Swimmer Jessica Hardy gets another shot at the Olympics (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oly-jessica-hardy-20120426,0,1808581.story)


Charlotte swimmer chasing Olympic dream for the third time: Brunelli (http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/MAC-Swimmer-pursues-Olympic-dream-for-8-years-148993705.html)


Missy Franklin juggles swimming, prom, tests (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/swimming/story/2012-04-17/missy-franklin-juggles-life-as-busy-teen/54351126/1)

No longer awed by Olympics, Cullen Jones seeks greater glory in Summer Games (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/21/3190366/no-longer-awed-by-olympics-cullen.html)

gdanner
April 26th, 2012, 04:39 PM
It would be interesting to see how those percentages line up against other sports. For instance...is the average high school swimmer more likely to make the olympics than the average high school football player is to make the NFL?

Kind of apples to oranges. Practically everyone in the NFL played in high school or prep, but swimming is highly club oriented. You have a lot of people who don't swim high school. Could be tricky to get the right numbers together. Safe to say, they're both exclusive. The internet says there are 1.1 or 1.2 million hs football players. With 1,696 NFL'ers, that's around 0.15%. If you include everyone that plays youth football, I bet you'll get to a number similar to Ande's 0.02% (or lower).

That Guy
May 7th, 2012, 03:06 PM
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/MorningSwimShow/30464.asp


THE U.S. Olympic Trials format will be changed this year -- at least for prelims. With about 1,700 swimmers expected to race in Omaha, USA Swimming announced on Friday that all 10 lanes of the pool would be used in prelims, and that flyover starts would be used, meaning each heat will start just a few seconds after the previous heat has finished. Semifinals and finals, however, will still use eight lanes, with the two outside lanes remaining open.


Good call.

ande
May 10th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Michael Phelps will have a hard time walking away from the pool (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--michael-phelps-will-have-a-hard-time-walking-away-from-the-pool.html?fb_action_ids=3652402784289%2C3629636696 110%2C10150780745447117%2C3445325366039%2C10150666 787257614&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3ANtn_S5DgolccgygVE1hZHZ 169ko%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3AGioRNTPkTVTqwxWPWo-ONRFdKkY%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3A1JQ7y8PEzxYTZB9joY mU4bCZMTM%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3AM6fqIO5GE2KChhlRk tsAL_ituBs%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3Atog2A-2Rezl2EUneaLTBoyLSyU0&fb_source=other_multiline)

Chris Stevenson
May 11th, 2012, 07:59 AM
Michael Phelps will have a hard time walking away from the pool (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--michael-phelps-will-have-a-hard-time-walking-away-from-the-pool.html?fb_action_ids=3652402784289%2C3629636696 110%2C10150780745447117%2C3445325366039%2C10150666 787257614&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3ANtn_S5DgolccgygVE1hZHZ 169ko%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3AGioRNTPkTVTqwxWPWo-ONRFdKkY%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3A1JQ7y8PEzxYTZB9joY mU4bCZMTM%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3AM6fqIO5GE2KChhlRk tsAL_ituBs%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3Atog2A-2Rezl2EUneaLTBoyLSyU0&fb_source=other_multiline)

Interesting article, thx for posting. Two parts caught my eye. One is, IMO, a gross overstatement:


The sport is impossibly grueling – just one warm-up, Olympic race and warm-down costs a swimmer a marathon's worth of calories

I do think swimmers TRAIN harder than marathoners, but there is no need to oversell it with a statement like this.

Then I smiled at the part where Phelps seems to have misplaced one of his gold medals. The man has so many, he can't keep track of all of them...!

Jazz Hands
May 11th, 2012, 08:20 AM
I do think swimmers TRAIN harder than marathoners, but there is no need to oversell it with a statement like this.

1. Yeah, that sentence makes no sense from a thermodynamic perspective.

2. Swimmers, sprinters even, really do train with as much volume as long-distance runners. This is dumb.

orca1946
May 14th, 2012, 12:39 AM
As someone who has done tri's & an Ironman along with Masters swimming for 27 years ---- I question that swimmers use as a different set of training hours than marathoners! As swimmers we get to do sets , marathoners need to put in VERY long set of miles. This is not put down either of the sports, they are VERY different!!:worms:

aquageek
May 14th, 2012, 09:48 AM
I do think swimmers TRAIN harder than marathoners, but there is no need to oversell it with a statement like this.

Water is much more forgiving than pavement but my distance running friends do put in a ton of training time as well, probably as much as almost all of my swim friends.

I watched Lochte do a full workout between sessions on Sunday and then come back and rip a great 200 IM last night. So, call it dumb or whatever, but the best in the world don't really have to justify their training routines.

ande
May 16th, 2012, 03:58 PM
FIVE MORE TO WATCH IN OMAHA 5/16/2012 (http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1450&itemid=4421&mid=12330)
By Mike Watkins//Correspondent

gdanner
May 16th, 2012, 04:23 PM
But he can do all those things without giving up another shot at the Olympics. He can swim a 50-meter freestyle in Rio – something his mother, Debbie, playfully suggested on 60 Minutes – and continue to grow his foundation and the sport of swimming.

This is kind of silly. Making the 50 free is no cakewalk. If he comes back for Rio it might as well be for the 2 fly.

ande
May 17th, 2012, 01:55 PM
Ryan Lochte Is the Fourth Man to Ever Cover Vogue (http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2012/05/ryan-lochte-vogue-serena-williams-hope-solo.html)

That Guy
May 24th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Pool construction has begun!

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30613.asp

According to the date listed here, they started two days early. :agree:

http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2135&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en

ande
May 26th, 2012, 05:58 AM
Got my trial tix yesterday

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/olympics/05/25/swimming.katie.hoff.ap/index.html

That Guy
May 27th, 2012, 11:45 AM
Pool construction has begun!

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30613.asp

According to the date listed here, they started two days early. :agree:

http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2135&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en

More... http://www.omaha.com/article/20120523/SWIMTRIALS/305239876/-1

k2spitfire
May 29th, 2012, 11:44 AM
anyone know what the cutoff is for 5k? maybe i can walk on and get a team jacket

That Guy
May 29th, 2012, 12:49 PM
anyone know what the cutoff is for 5k? maybe i can walk on and get a team jacket
Good luck! Let us know how you do.

Rob Copeland
May 29th, 2012, 03:33 PM
anyone know what the cutoff is for 5k? maybe i can walk on and get a team jacketSince there is no 5k in Olympic Swimming, may I assume you are looking for Track & Field?

If you meant the 10K swim, then you already missed the Open Water trials. To have been eligible to compete at the Open Water trials (the cutoffs), you would have needed to 1) place top 10 at last year’s nations 10K, 2) Finish in the top 15 in a FINA 10K or 3) meet the 800/1500 time standard (8:27/16:14).

It's never too early to start training for Rio.

That Guy
May 29th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Since there is no 5k in Olympic Swimming, may I assume you are looking for Track & Field?

If you meant the 10K swim, then you already missed the Open Water trials. To have been eligible to compete at the Open Water trials (the cutoffs), you would have needed to 1) place top 10 at last year’s nations 10K, 2) Finish in the top 15 in a FINA 10K or 3) meet the 800/1500 time standard (8:27/16:14).
But other than that it was a foolproof plan!

ande
May 30th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Longhorn Aquatics Elite Invite is happening in
Austin, TX
Fri June 1 - Sun 3, 2012 the same weekend as the Santa Clara GP

Meet Information (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/wp-content/uploads/EliteInvite.pdf)

Psych Sheet- Updated 5/29 (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/wp-content/uploads/eliteinvitepsych1.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/results/)

Fairly Fast Time Standards:

Order of Events & Qualifying Times
Event #'s / Women's Cut / Men's Cut

Friday, June 1, 2012

1/2 100 Freestyle 58.19 52.59
3/4 200 Breaststroke 2:39.49 2:24.49
5/6 400 Freestyle 4:23.79 4:05.19
7/8 100 Butterfly 1:02.99 57.09

Saturday, June 2, 2012

9/10 400 IM 4:59.69 4:35.49
11/12 200 Freestyle 2:05.49 1:55.49
13/14 200 Backstroke 2:19.49 2:08.19
15/16 50 Freestyle 26.89 24.29


Sunday, June 3, 2012

17/18 200 Butterfly 2:18.19 2:06.29
19/20 100 Breaststroke 1:13.89 1:06.69
21/22 800 Freestyle* / 1500 Freestyle* 9:03.49 16:14.29
23/24 100 Backstroke 1:04.99 59.39
25/26 200 IM 2:22.19 2:09.49

ande
May 30th, 2012, 11:07 AM
2012 Santa Clara International Grand Prix takes place
May 31-June 3 at the
George F. Haines International Swim Center in
Santa Clara, Calif.

PSYCH (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/51fa07fd-4697-4238-8ece-4e582ea44ce5/psych%20sheet%20with%20astericks.pdf)

__steve__
May 30th, 2012, 10:01 PM
Moussambani returns:cheerleader:

http://aquamagazine.com/content/post/Worlds-Slowest-Swimmer-Returning-to-Olympics.aspx (http://aquamagazine.com/content/post/Worlds-Slowest-Swimmer-Returning-to-Olympics.aspx)

selkie
May 30th, 2012, 11:06 PM
IIRC, he got training after Sydney and actually got fairly respectable- something like 56-57 for 100 free LCM. But his federation wouldn't send him to Athens because they didn't want him to get laughed at again.

Fresnoid
May 31st, 2012, 12:19 AM
2012 Santa Clara International Grand Prix takes place
May 31-June 3 at the
George F. Haines International Swim Center in
Santa Clara, Calif.

PSYCH (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/51fa07fd-4697-4238-8ece-4e582ea44ce5/psych%20sheet%20with%20astericks.pdf)

Entries

Women 1500 23
Men 800 26
Women 100 204
Men 100 150

WTF?

havepoolwillswim
May 31st, 2012, 01:33 AM
Longhorn Aquatics Elite Invite is happening in
Austin, TX
Fri June 1 - Sun 3, 2012 the same weekend as the Santa Clara GP

Meet Information (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/wp-content/uploads/EliteInvite.pdf)

Psych Sheet- Updated 5/29 (http://www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/wp-content/uploads/eliteinvitepsych1.pdf)



Phelps has entered...

100 fr
200 fr
100 fly
200 fly
200 IM
400 IM

ande
June 1st, 2012, 01:24 PM
This is Missy Franklin's US Olympic Trials Schedule
(along with a few guesses for her off events)
she'll definitely race the 1 & 2 fr & bk, but she has a couple bottlenecks where she has back to back important races & not much time to rest. those day's she'll prioritize her FINAL races, but swim semifinal races hard and fast enough to make finals.

Monday, June 25

PRELIMS
Men's 400m IM
Women's 100m Fly maybe but probably not, might be a chance to race but not a priority
Men's 400m Free
Women's 400m IM
Men's 100m Breast

Men's 400m IM - Final
Women's 100m Fly - Semifinal
Men's 400m Free - Final
Women's 400m IM - Final
Men's 100m Breast - Semifinal


Tuesday, June 26

Prelims
Women's 100m Back
Men's 200m Free
Women's 100m Breast
Men's 100m Back
Women's 400m Free

Women's 100m Fly - Final
Men's 200m Free - Semifinal
Women's 100m Breast - Semifinal
Men's 100m Breast - Final
Women's 400m Free - Final
Men's 100m Back - Semifinal
Women's 100m Back - Semifinal


Wednesday, June 27

Prelims
Women's 200m Free
Men's 200m Fly
Women's 200m IM might see her in this race but probably not

Women's 200m Free - Semifinal
Men's 200m Free - Final
Women's 100m Back - Final
this is her bottleneck, she must make the 200 free finals but doesn't have much time before the 100 back finals. She's done many back to back races at meets to prepare for this.
Men's 100m Back - Final
Women's 100m Breast - Final
Men's 200m Fly - Semifinal
Women's 200m IM -- Semifinal


Thursday, June 28

Prelims
Men's 100m Free
Women's 200m Fly
Men's 200m Breast

Men's 100m Free - Semifinal
Women's 200m Free - Final
Men's 200m Fly - Final
Women's 200m Fly - Semifinal
Men's 200m Breast - Semifinal
Women's 200m IM - Final


Friday, June 29

prelims
Women's 100m Free
Men's 200m Back
Women's 200m Breast
Men's 200m IM

Men's 200m Breast - Final
Women's 100m Free - Semifinal
Men's 200m Back - Semifinal
Women's 200m Fly - Final
Men's 100m Free - Final
Women's 200m Breast - Semifinal
Men's 200m IM - Semifinal


Saturday, June 30

Prelims
Men's 50m Free
Women's 800m Free
Men's 100m Fly
Women's 200m Back

Men's 50m Free - Semifinal
Women's 200m Breast - Final
Men's 200m Back - Final
Women's 200m Back - Semifinal
Men's 200m IM - Final
Women's 100m Free - Final
this is her other bottleneck, she won't get much rest between her 2 bk semi & her 1 free final, she'll cruise her 2bk, it will wound her some. She should be top 2 in 1 free & def top 6
Men's 100m Fly - Semifinal


Sunday, July 1

prelims
Women's 50m Free bet she races this
Men's 1500m Free

Women's 200m Back - Final
Men's 100m Fly - Final
Women's 800m Free - Final
Men's 50m Free - Final
Women's 50m Free - Semifinal why not?


Monday, July 2

No Preliminaries

Women's 50m Free - Final
Men's 1500m Free - Final why not?

That Guy
June 1st, 2012, 03:18 PM
More... http://www.omaha.com/article/20120523/SWIMTRIALS/305239876/-1
filling the pool... http://www.omaha.com/article/20120601/NEWS01/120609989#video-firefighters-fill-centurylink-pool

Glenn
June 1st, 2012, 05:07 PM
Ande,

WOW, I knew Missy Franklin was good, but I didn't know she could make the men's final in the 100 free!!:D

That Guy
June 2nd, 2012, 08:00 PM
Phelps has entered...

100 fr
200 fr
100 fly
200 fly
200 IM
400 IM

Event 10 Men 400 LC Meter IM
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Prelims Finals
================================================== ================
=== A - Final ===

1 Michael Phelps 26 North Baltimore 4:22.28 4:15.88
26.59 57.01 (30.42)
1:29.74 (32.73) 2:01.65 (31.91)
2:38.23 (36.58) 3:15.52 (37.29)
3:46.08 (30.56) 4:15.88 (29.80)
2 Chase Kalisz 18 North Baltimore 4:22.91 4:16.86
27.76 59.21 (31.45)
1:32.91 (33.70) 2:05.65 (32.74)
2:41.36 (35.71) 3:16.97 (35.61)
3:47.47 (30.50) 4:16.86 (29.39)
3 Bradley Ally 25 Unat-Cw 4:26.16 4:18.80
27.34 59.15 (31.81)
1:32.45 (33.30) 2:05.90 (33.45)
2:41.70 (35.80) 3:18.50 (36.80)
3:49.21 (30.71) 4:18.80 (29.59)

That Guy
June 3rd, 2012, 01:46 AM
Monster swim by Allison Schmitt! US Open record, almost an American record :applaud:

Event 11 Women 200 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Prelims Finals
================================================== ================
=== A - Final ===

1 Allison Schmitt 21 North Baltimore 1:59.78 1:55.04
27.01 55.97 (28.96)
1:25.73 (29.76) 1:55.04 (29.31)
2 Missy Franklin 17 Colorado Stars 2:00.57 1:57.91
27.68 57.18 (29.50)
1:27.60 (30.42) 1:57.91 (30.31)

havepoolwillswim
June 3rd, 2012, 01:16 PM
Event 10 Men 400 LC Meter IM
================================================== ================
Name Age Team Prelims Finals
================================================== ================
=== A - Final ===

1 Michael Phelps 26 North Baltimore 4:22.28 4:15.88
26.59 57.01 (30.42)
1:29.74 (32.73) 2:01.65 (31.91)
2:38.23 (36.58) 3:15.52 (37.29)
3:46.08 (30.56) 4:15.88 (29.80)
2 Chase Kalisz 18 North Baltimore 4:22.91 4:16.86
27.76 59.21 (31.45)
1:32.91 (33.70) 2:05.65 (32.74)
2:41.36 (35.71) 3:16.97 (35.61)
3:47.47 (30.50) 4:16.86 (29.39)
3 Bradley Ally 25 Unat-Cw 4:26.16 4:18.80
27.34 59.15 (31.81)
1:32.45 (33.30) 2:05.90 (33.45)
2:41.70 (35.80) 3:18.50 (36.80)
3:49.21 (30.71) 4:18.80 (29.59)

An open call out to armchair quarterbacks/Phelps speculators .... :)

So I guess it's safe to say that Phelps is swimming the 400 IM at the OT.
At this point, I don't see him swimming less than 8 events again at London.

But wait... there's more. An update:

Phelps Breaks His First World Record - YouTube

About 2:05, Phelps says this weekend's 400 IM will probably be his last 400 IM ever.

Interesting...

ande
June 5th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Updates

USOC Rule 40, Social Media and Athlete Endorsement Guidelines
2012 Information for Athletes, Their Agents and NGBs (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/b6ac23ad-1318-4ad0-b3b0-17090de279f0/Rule40_Pamphlet_4.pdf)

Meet Information Book (Revised 5/24/12) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/d5745018-5fcf-4b15-ab9b-504b2de0be7d/Meet%20Information%20Book%20rev%205-24-12.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers, Men - (Updated 5/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/b521a77b-1c76-463c-8765-4f310985c157/boys_trials_may14.pdf)

2012 Trials List of Qualifiers, Women - (Updated 5/14/2012) (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/687b45de-2bd5-41e7-b7fc-4f4c6ea420e7/girls_trials_may14.pdf)

ande
June 8th, 2012, 01:05 PM
the 2012 Mutual of Omaha Swimvitational (http://www.swimvitational.com/) in the Pool in the CenturyLink Center begins today
6/8/2012 to 6/10/2012

Psych (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/9cd5da83-e0ce-44b3-bda6-4c76b6b60ab0/friday%20prelims%20heat%20sheet.pdf)

Results (http://www.swmeets.com/Realtime/SwimVitational/2012/)

Watch & Info (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2215&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

PatrickJM
June 8th, 2012, 03:46 PM
the 2012 Mutual of Omaha Swimvitational (http://www.swimvitational.com/) in the Pool in the CenturyLink Center begins today
6/8/2012 to 6/10/2012

Psych (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/9cd5da83-e0ce-44b3-bda6-4c76b6b60ab0/friday%20prelims%20heat%20sheet.pdf)

Results (http://www.swmeets.com/Realtime/SwimVitational/2012/)

Watch & Info (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2215&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)


Interesting lane configuration, 0 -9 (opposite of Greensboro). So if you swim this July and you're in lane 0, remember -it's next to 1, not 9.

Rob Copeland
June 8th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Interesting lane configuration, 0 -9 (opposite of Greensboro). So if you swim this July and you're in lane 0, remember -it's next to 1, not 9.I believe this is because for semis and finals they are swimming in 8 lanes with the outside lanes (0 and 9) empty.

PatrickJM
June 9th, 2012, 12:16 PM
I believe this is because for semis and finals they are swimming in 8 lanes with the outside lanes (0 and 9) empty.



Genius as usual Rob!

oldwahoo
June 12th, 2012, 09:09 PM
Interesting that the trials overlap the final two dates of the College Baseball World series in Omaha - June 25-26; Omaha will be the hub of the sports world for those two days (or maybe only one if the team that wins on the 24th wins again on the 25th. Between NBC, ESPN, baseball teams & fans, and many swimmers, motel rooms, dining reservations will be hard to come by. And the venue for swimming is right next to the ball field, so parking will be tight too.

ande
June 13th, 2012, 12:49 PM
USA Swimming Cuts Time Trials From U.S. Olympic Trials (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30811.asp?q=USA-Swimming-Cuts-Time-Trials-From-U.S.-Olympic-Trials)
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado,
June 13. YESTERDAY, USA Swimming announced that it has cut time trials from the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials schedule due to an incredibly large pool of swimmers already quali...

Allen Stark
June 13th, 2012, 01:52 PM
USA Swimming Cuts Time Trials From U.S. Olympic Trials (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30811.asp?q=USA-Swimming-Cuts-Time-Trials-From-U.S.-Olympic-Trials)
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado,
June 13. YESTERDAY, USA Swimming announced that it has cut time trials from the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials schedule due to an incredibly large pool of swimmers already quali...

What does that mean?

That Guy
June 13th, 2012, 02:41 PM
What does that mean?

In between prelim and finals sessions, and after finals sessions, there will be no exhibition racing.

That Guy
June 15th, 2012, 06:04 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand time trials are back in

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30833.asp

jaadams1
June 15th, 2012, 10:43 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand time trials are back in

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/USA/30833.asp

Will you be time trialing the 200 LCM Breast? :bolt:

That Guy
June 16th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Will you be time trialing the 200 LCM Breast? :bolt: Only 200 meters? That hardly seems fair. A far more equitable solution would be to swim the 1500 free all breastroke. :agree:

ande
June 16th, 2012, 10:34 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/06/natalie-coughlin-is-she-the-female-michael-phelps/1

ande
June 16th, 2012, 10:38 PM
2012 United States Olympic Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) will once again be held at the Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
The 2008 Trials set a new standard for swimming excitement and 2012 promises to bring even more poolside thrills to America's Heartland.
Check back often for updates as we draw closer to naming the team that will represent the United States in the pool at the London Olympic Games.

When: Mon June 25th - Mon July 2nd 2012
DAYS Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Where: Qwest Center Omaha
455 North 10th Street Omaha, NE 68102

PSYCH Sheet (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.omegatiming.com/Sport?sport=AQ)


One cool thing is the website has USA Olympic Swimming Trials Results from 1920 - 2008 (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en)


CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


APPROVED TECH SUITS


Link to 2012 Olympic Swimming




but the coolest thing is our 2012 LCM Nats (http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php) is in the same pool starting Thu July 5th, 2012

2012 USMS Summer LCM Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
Thu July 5 - Sun 8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012


2012 Olympics USMS Forum Site

ande
June 18th, 2012, 01:37 PM
NBC SPORTS GROUP PRESENTS MORE THAN 45 HOURS OF LIVE OLYMPIC TRIALS COVERAGE OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS
Includes 15.5 Hours on NBC in Primetime

SWIMMING: For the first time, every night of the swimming trials will be in primetime on NBC. In all, NBC Sports Group will air a total of 16.5 hours of the swimming trials beginning on Monday, June 25 at 6:30 p.m. ET on NBC Sports Network, immediately followed by the first of eight straight nights in primetime on NBC at 8 p.m. ET. NBC’s Olympic swimming broadcast team of Dan Hicks, Rowdy Gaines and Andrea Kremer report from Omaha, Neb.

NBC SPORTS GROUP 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials – Remaining Television Schedule

Date Time Network Event
Tues., June 19 12-2 a.m. ET NBCSN Diving – Semifinals: Men’s 10-meter (live)
Wed., June 20 10 p.m.-2 a.m. ET NBCSN Diving – Semifinals: Men’s 3-meter (live);

Women’s 10-meter (live);

Women’s 3-meter (next day coverage)

Thurs., June 21 10 p.m.-12 a.m. ET NBCSN Diving – Synchro Finals: Women’s 3-meter;

Men’s 10-meter (live)

Mon June 25
6:30-8 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Tue June 26
6:30-8 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Wed June 27
7-8 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Thu June 28
4:30-5:30 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Fri., June 29
4:30-6 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Sat., June 30
6:30-8 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Sun., July 1
6-7 p.m. ET NBCSN Swimming – Qualifying Heats (same day coverage)
8-9 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)

Mon., July 2
8-8:30 p.m. ET/PT NBC Swimming – Finals (live)


FROM (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/06/18/nbc-sports-group-presents-more-than-45-hours-of-live-olympic-trials-coverage-over-the-next-three-weeks/138490/)

smontanaro
June 18th, 2012, 01:41 PM
NBC SPORTS GROUP PRESENTS MORE THAN 45 HOURS OF LIVE OLYMPIC TRIALS COVERAGE OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS
Includes 15.5 Hours on NBC in Primetime ...

I think NBC must have had a change of direction w.r.t. their sports coverage. I was surprised at how late the US Open golf tournament was scheduled to run into primetime yesterday.

S

ande
June 18th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Michigan swim coach's advice revitalizes Peter Vanderkaay's career (http://www.freep.com/article/20120617/SPORTS17/206170459/Jo-Ann-Barnas-Michigan-swim-coach-s-advice-revitalizes-Peter-Vanderkaay-s-career)

ande
June 18th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Olympic swimmer Missy Franklin a golden girl from the get-go (http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_20875217)Posted: 06/16/2012

Missy Franklin's U.S. Olympic Trials could have five events, coach says (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20848103/missy-franklins-u-s-olympic-trials-will-have)

That Guy
June 18th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Missy Franklin's U.S. Olympic Trials could have five events, coach says (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20848103/missy-franklins-u-s-olympic-trials-will-have)

Glad to see she's not entering the 200 IM. Based on her 200 IM at senior nationals last summer, she would not have made the team. Maybe not even the top 8. Of course, it's entirely possible that she's improved her breastroke since then.

ande
June 19th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Evans' coach: 'It's fair to call her a long shot' (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/olympics/06/18/swimming.janet.evans.ap/index.html)


Phelps Entered 7 Races at Trials (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/phelps/bal-michael-phelps-to-swim-in-seven-races-at-olympic-qualifying-trials-in-omaha-20120619,0,7106775.story)
200 & 400 IM
100 & 200 fly,
100 & 200 free
200 back

knelson
June 19th, 2012, 10:43 AM
Glad to see she's not entering the 200 IM. Based on her 200 IM at senior nationals last summer, she would not have made the team. Maybe not even the top 8. Of course, it's entirely possible that she's improved her breastroke since then.

I was reading the Trials preview story in Splash (the magazine USA Swimming sends to its members) and it mentioned Franklin wanted to make Trials cuts in every event. I checked the database and it seems like she hasn't made the cut in the 100 and 200 breast and the 200 fly. Breaststroke is definitely the chink in her armor.

ElaineK
June 19th, 2012, 11:20 AM
Thanks for keeping us informed on the trials, Ande! I appreciated your post on NBC's TV coverage! :applaud:

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 12:58 PM
:banana: UNITED STATES OLYMPIC TRIALS PSYCH SHEET :banana:

http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Couroboros
June 19th, 2012, 01:10 PM
:bliss:

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 01:20 PM
I think Lochte wins the psych sheet with 11 events entered. :joker:

Runner-up as far as I can tell is Elizabeth Beisel with 9.

Let the scratches begin!

Very incomplete findings so far:

Ryan Lochte (11) 400 IM, 400 free, 100 breast, 200 free, 100 back, 200 fly, 100 free, 200 back, 200 IM, 50 free, 100 fly
Elizabeth Beisel (9) 400 IM, 100 back, 400 free, 200 free, 200 IM, 200 fly, 200 breast, 800 free, 200 back
Michael Phelps (7) 400 IM, 200 free, 200 fly, 100 free, 200 back, 200 IM, 100 fly
Peter Vanderkaay (6) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 100 free, 200 IM, 1500 free
Tyler Clary (6) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 200 fly, 200 back, 200 IM
Natalie Coughlin (5) 100 fly, 100 back, 200 IM, 100 free, 50 free
Missy Franklin (5) 100 back, 200 free, 100 free, 200 back, 50 free
Caitlin Leverenz (5) 400 IM, 100 breast, 200 IM, 200 fly, 200 breast
Katie Hoff (4) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 800 free
Robert Margalis (4) 400 IM, 200 fly, 200 IM, 200 IM
Ariana Kukors (3) 100 breast, 200 IM, 200 breast

selkie
June 19th, 2012, 01:35 PM
196!!! entered in the women's 200 backstroke. Fortunately for the volunteers, there are, at most, only 10 heats of the men's 1500M.

Welcome my friends, to the meet that never ends.
We're so glad you qualified, come inside, come inside,
The lanes are more than packed they're super packed
Be careful arms don't crash, warming up, warming up.

Take your seats, prelims about to roll,
Two thousand swimmers going for the gold.....

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 03:43 PM
196!!! entered in the women's 200 backstroke. Fortunately for the volunteers, there are, at most, only 10 heats of the men's 1500M.

Welcome my friends, to the meet that never ends.
We're so glad you qualified, come inside, come inside,
The lanes are more than packed they're super packed
Be careful arms don't crash, warming up, warming up.

Take your seats, prelims about to roll,
Two thousand swimmers going for the gold.....

For 2016, it seems like it would be pretty easy to trim the field with only some small adjustments to the cuts. For example, there are 179 entries in the men's 50 free. If the cut had been 23.29 rather than 23.49, the number of qualifiers would have been 94. I don't think anyone would call an adjustment of 0.2 seconds unfair.

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Some other swimmers I found with 5 or more entries:

Felicia Lee (8) 100 fly, 100 back, 200 free, 200 IM, 200 fly, 100 free, 200 back, 50 free
Conor Dwyer (7) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 200 fly, 100 free, 200 IM, 50 free
Rachel Bootsma (6) 100 back, 200 IM, 200 fly, 100 free, 50 free, 100 fly
Bobby Bollier (6) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 200 fly, 200 back, 100 fly
Teresa Crippen (6) 400 IM, 200 free, 200 IM, 200 fly, 200 back, 100 fly
David Nolan (6) 200 free, 100 back, 100 free, 200 back, 200 IM, 100 fly
Jasmine Tosky (6) 100 fly, 400 IM, 200 free, 200 IM, 200 fly, 100 free
Austin Surhoff (6) 400 IM, 200 free, 100 back, 100 free, 200 back, 200 IM
Dana Vollmer (5) 100 fly, 200 free, 200 fly, 100 free, 50 free
Allison Schmitt (5) 400 free, 200 free, 100 free, 800 free, 50 free
Megan Romano (5) 100 back, 200 free, 100 free, 200 back, 50 free
Davis Tarwater (5) 200 free, 200 fly, 100 free, 200 IM, 100 fly
Dan Madwed (5) 200 fly, 100 free, 200 IM, 100 fly, 200 free
Eugene Godsoe (5) 200 free, 100 back, 100 free, 200 back, 100 fly
Haley Anderson (5) 400 IM, 400 free, 200 free, 200 fly, 800 free
Kylie Stewart (5) 400 IM, 100 back, 400 free, 200 free, 200 back
Jack Brown (5) 400 IM, 100 breast, 200 free, 200 breast, 200 IM

selkie
June 19th, 2012, 04:35 PM
I suspect that USA Swimming was effectively stuck with the qualifying times once they were officially published. It's been interesting to watch hem try to put a good spin on it with talk of how wonderful it was for so many athletes to meet such high standards, and by the way, we're going to have to go with 10 lane flyover prelims in order to keep something resembling a timeline. It's pretty much a given that they'll tighten things up significantly for 2016.

But then it's good to select a team coming out of a meet where it's a bit crowded and not terribly comfortable. We want our athletes to be able to perform at the highest level even when everything doesn't seem perfect for them. If the tornado evacuation during warm-ups last time around was enough to throw you off your game for the meet, then you probably weren't going to travel overly well for Beijing either.

Rob Copeland
June 19th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Some other swimmers I found with 5 or more entriesTo help That Guy out...
There are 835 swimmers entered in a single event, 548 in 2 events, 240 in 3, 132 in 4, 45 in 5, 22 in 6, 2 in 7, 2 in 8, 1 in 9 and 1 in 11. ALL of those in 6 or more are listed below (Name, age and Events:

Lochte, Ryan-27 (11) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 100 Breaststroke, 200 Freestyle, 100 Backstroke, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 50 Freestyle, 100 Butterfly
Beisel, Elizabeth-19 (9) 400 IM, 100 Backstroke, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 200 Breaststroke, 800 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke
Hu, Janet-16 (8) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 100 Backstroke, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 50 Freestyle
Lee, Felicia-20 (8) 100 Butterfly, 100 Backstroke, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 50 Freestyle
Dwyer, Conor-23 (7) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 IM, 50 Freestyle
Phelps, Michael-26 (7) 400 IM, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 100 Butterfly
Bollier, Bobby-22 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 200 Backstroke, 100 Butterfly
Bootsma, Rachel-18 (6) 100 Butterfly, 100 Backstroke, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 50 Freestyle
Chenault, Chelsea-17 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 800 Freestyle
Clary, Tyler-23 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM
Crippen, Teresa-22 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 200 Backstroke
Hinshaw, Adam-18 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 200 IM, 1500 Freestyle
Howe, Ally-16 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 100 Backstroke, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 200 Backstroke
Li, Celina-16 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 100 Breaststroke, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 200 Breaststroke
Mann, Becky-14 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 800 Freestyle
Margalis, Melanie-20 (6) 400 IM, 100 Breaststroke, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 100 Freestyle, 200 Breaststroke
Naze, Kelly-18 (6) 100 Butterfly, 100 Backstroke, 100 Breaststroke, 200 IM, 200 Breaststroke, 200 Backstroke
Nolan, David-19 (6) 200 Freestyle, 100 Backstroke, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 100 Butterfly
Signorin, Connor-20 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 1500 Freestyle
Stafford, Nicole-17 (6) 100 Butterfly, 100 Backstroke, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke
Stein, Mackenzie-18 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly
Stewart, Tynan-17 (6) 400 IM, 100 Backstroke, 200 Butterfly, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 100 Butterfly
Surhoff, Austin-21 (6) 400 IM, 200 Freestyle, 100 Backstroke, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM
Tosky, Jasmine-18 (6) 100 Butterfly, 400 IM, 200 Freestyle, 200 IM, 200 Butterfly, 100 Freestyle
Vanderkaay, Peter-28 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 100 Freestyle, 200 IM, 1500 Freestyle
Wagner, John-20 (6) 200 Freestyle, 100 Backstroke, 100 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke, 200 IM, 50 Freestyle
Webb, Christopher-18 (6) 400 IM, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 200 Butterfly, 200 IM, 1500 Freestyle
Zilinskas, Rachel-17 (6) 400 IM, 100 Backstroke, 400 Freestyle, 200 Freestyle, 800 Freestyle, 200 Backstroke

The attached spreadsheet lists all swimmers and their events.

knelson
June 19th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Mann, Becky-14 (6) 04 - 400 IM, 10 - 400 Freestyle, 11 - 200 Freestyle, 13 - 200 IM, 15 - 200 Butterfly, 22 - 800 Freestyle

Gee, not bad at all for a 14 year old!

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 04:49 PM
To help That Guy out:


Thanks Rob! It's amazing that Janet Hu is in 8 events and yet I never noticed her name in the 2 hours or so that I studied the psych sheet. I guess I focused on higher seeded athletes.

Allen Stark
June 19th, 2012, 04:58 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing Ryan Lochte in the 100 BR.

Rob Copeland
June 19th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Gee, not bad at all for a 14 year old!Not bad at all, top 10 seeds in 800 Free and 400 IM! If she keeps improving she will be one of our stars in 2016.

selkie
June 19th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Mann was also 11th in the 10K at Open Water Nationals this year, about 30 seconds back of Gillian Ryan.

knelson
June 19th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Dagny Knutson is not swimming. Remember her? It was just a couple years ago she looked like a potential superstar.

ElaineK
June 19th, 2012, 06:37 PM
196!!! entered in the women's 200 backstroke. Fortunately for the volunteers, there are, at most, only 10 heats of the men's 1500M.

Welcome my friends, to the meet that never ends.
We're so glad you qualified, come inside, come inside,
The lanes are more than packed they're super packed
Be careful arms don't crash, warming up, warming up.

Take your seats, prelims about to roll,
Two thousand swimmers going for the gold.....

:lmao:Great re-write to a great song! :applaud: If you finish it, please post it here! :banana:

knelson
June 19th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Take your seats, prelims about to roll,
Two thousand swimmers going for the gold.....

Oh, what lucky men (or women) they are!

...oops, right group, wrong song.

smontanaro
June 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dagny Knutson is not swimming. Remember her? It was just a couple years ago she looked like a potential superstar.

Looks like Dagny has had a rough year our so:

http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=3774&mid=9874

selkie
June 19th, 2012, 06:55 PM
I couldn't come up with something more that scanned and sounded interesting. Tolkien works too though:

The meet goes ever on and on
Circling the lanes to blocks again
The starter calls them up once more
To blocks above those gone before
And in to chase the long black line
That leads to other days and times
Of glories, triumphs, golden hours,
And rivals known and yet to meet
What happens then? That tale will come.

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 07:43 PM
Looks like Dagny has had a rough year our so:

http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=3774&mid=9874

That interview took place 9 months ago.

JRidge
June 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Gee, not bad at all for a 14 year old!
Her name is actually Becca

TRYM_Swimmer
June 19th, 2012, 08:37 PM
Meh, it scans, but that's about all. Feel free to improve:

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow
Creep by these endless heats from day to day
Til the last 1500 Final - Men's.
And all our yesterdays burst forth in one almighty try.
Out, out, brief candle, Trials are but a walking shadow,
Where hopeful swimmers strut and fret their moment upon the stage
Then are seen no more.
It is a trek made by two thousand,
Full of sound and fury,
Qualifying several.

ElaineK
June 19th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Oh, what lucky men (or women) they are!

...oops, right group, wrong song.

:applaud: Yeah, but one of their best!

That Guy
June 19th, 2012, 09:53 PM
Dagny Knutson is not swimming. Remember her? It was just a couple years ago she looked like a potential superstar.

Well I found an incomplete explanation...

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/ND-native-Knutson-won-t-swim-at-US-Olympic-Trials-3637080.php


a health issue will keep her out of the trials. She isn't elaborating.

Jazz Hands
June 19th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Olympic swimmer Missy Franklin a golden girl from the get-go (http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_20875217)

In this video: Missy Franklin sets the world record for consecutive bland statements.

havepoolwillswim
June 20th, 2012, 12:43 AM
Lochte tweeted today, "Did a 50 meter underwater, from a push went 23.8. Not bad still need a lil more rest."

That Guy
June 20th, 2012, 01:05 AM
In this video: Missy Franklin sets the world record for consecutive bland statements.

Well done, Missy! She's playing the media game correctly. Athletes cannot say anything remotely interesting anymore.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8016432/gladwell-vs-simmons-iv

ande
June 20th, 2012, 10:38 AM
4 days 23 hours to go

2012 United States Olympic Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) will once again be held at the Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
The 2008 Trials set a new standard for swimming excitement and 2012 promises to bring even more poolside thrills to America's Heartland.
Check back often for updates as we draw closer to naming the team that will represent the United States in the pool at the London Olympic Games.

When: Mon June 25th - Mon July 2nd 2012
DAYS Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Where: Qwest Center Omaha
455 North 10th Street Omaha, NE 68102

PSYCH Sheet (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.omegatiming.com/Sport?sport=AQ)


One cool thing is the website has USA Olympic Swimming Trials Results from 1920 - 2008 (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en)


CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


APPROVED TECH SUITS


Link to 2012 Olympic Swimming




but the coolest thing is our 2012 LCM Nats (http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php) is in the same pool starting Thu July 5th, 2012

2012 USMS Summer LCM Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
Thu July 5 - Sun 8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012


2012 Olympics USMS Forum Site

ande
June 20th, 2012, 11:33 AM
20 QUESTION TUESDAY: ROWDY GAINES (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&itemid=4514&mid=8712)
6/19/2012 By Bob Schaller//Correspondent
Rowdy Gaines’ familiar voice will be on the airwaves soon at Olympic Trials, and then in London. The gold-medal Olympian thinks these Trials, and Games, will be among the most exciting ever, and he shares his insights in this week’s 20 Question Tuesday.

Maui Mike
June 20th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Pop Quiz --- Without looking, which, if any, women's world records would make the men's cut?

That Guy
June 20th, 2012, 12:41 PM
Pop Quiz --- Without looking, which, if any, women's world records would make the men's cut?
400 free 1500 free 200 back 100 breast 200 breast 200 fly 200 IM 400 IM

i might have looked though

Karl_S
June 20th, 2012, 01:47 PM
Gee, not bad at all for a 14 year old!
That woman (unrelated th That Guy I feel sure) is going to be tired.
400 fr, 800 fr, 200 fly, 400 IM... yikes!

ande
June 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM
All but the fastest heats of preliminaries will be webcast live June 25 - July 1 beginning at 10 a.m. CT. The fastest 2-4 heats of preliminaries will be broadcast on tape delay by NBC Sports.

PRELIMS WEBCAST (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2129&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

Indianaman79
June 20th, 2012, 02:53 PM
not sure if this was brought up because i didn't feel like digging through this thread, but did you see this 40 year old? seeded 139 in the 100 BR. wowzers


139 West, Steven 40 Irvine Novaquati-CA 1:04.68

That Guy
June 20th, 2012, 03:00 PM
All but the fastest heats of preliminaries will be webcast live June 25 - July 1 beginning at 10 a.m. CT. The fastest 2-4 heats of preliminaries will be broadcast on tape delay by NBC Sports.

PRELIMS WEBCAST (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2129&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)

How far we've come - in the past, Trials prelims weren't on NBC's radar at all. I really enjoyed the webcasts of prelims in 2008. Josh Davis did solo commentary and was excellent. It seemed like he had anecdotes about people in every heat. And the awesomest part was when he excused himself for a few minutes to swim the 50 free! (Another dude took over the commentary while Josh got his sprint on.)


With that said, "tape delayed coverage" should long since have taken its rightful place on the shelf next to the rotary phone and the Betamax.

knelson
June 20th, 2012, 04:55 PM
not sure if this was brought up because i didn't feel like digging through this thread, but did you see this 40 year old? seeded 139 in the 100 BR. wowzers

Yes, he's seeded even better in the 200 breast (65th at 2:19.07). Steve West is a current USMS member and swam at SC Nationals in Greensboro a couple months ago. Another USMS swimmer is Jeff Commings who is swimming the 100 breast and is seeded 102nd. Jeff is 38.

Rob Copeland
June 20th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Yes, he's seeded even better in the 200 breast (65th at 2:19.07). Steve West is a current USMS member and swam at SC Nationals in Greensboro a couple months ago. Another USMS swimmer is Jeff Commings who is swimming the 100 breast and is seeded 102nd. Jeff is 38.Steve and Jeff are also both signed up of Masters Nationals the following week.

Frank Thompson
June 20th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Steve and Jeff are also both signed up of Masters Nationals the following week.

So is Kevin Doak. He is swimming the 100 Fly and 100 Back at trials and swimming in the Masters Nationals the following week. I am wondering if these are the only 3 swimmers doing both meets.

Jeff Commings
June 21st, 2012, 12:48 PM
Brian Jacobson, 38, is in the 50 at Trials and swimming at Masters nationals as well.

He's seeded 134 out of 179 swimmers in the 50 at Trials.

Rob Copeland
June 21st, 2012, 02:03 PM
Also John Dorr OT Men's 100 Breast 82nd seed is swimming at Masters Nationals.

Here’s hoping that one of more of you have the swims of your lives and are not able to make Masters Nationals, because you need to stay with the USA Olympic Team. I’m sure we can work a deal to reimburse you for your Masters Nationals entry fee.

jaadams1
June 22nd, 2012, 12:30 AM
Here’s hoping that one of more of you have the swims of your lives and are not able to make Masters Nationals, because you need to stay with the USA Olympic Team. I’m sure we can work a deal to reimburse you for your Masters Nationals entry fee.

What about reimbursement for the loss of job as well when you tell your employer that you have to train with the team? Some jobs may make a special allowance, but unpaid. And lots of jobs will give you the choice: swim, or job.

Rob Copeland
June 22nd, 2012, 08:26 AM
What about reimbursement for the loss of job as well...Shallow pockets, deep water:dunno:

ande
June 22nd, 2012, 12:25 PM
2 days 21 hours to go
Many Longhorn Swimmers & Coaches caught an 11 am flight to Omaha today


Recent USA Swimming NEWS

THE SWIMMER WHO WOULDN'T GIVE UP (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=4522&mid=12660)


FIVE MORE TO WATCH IN OMAHA (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=4520&mid=12758)


FIVE STORYLINES TO WATCH AT THE OLYMPIC TRIALS (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1450&itemid=4518&mid=12330)


THE VENUE (http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/usaswimming/splash_20120506/index.php#/36)


PARKING FOR THE OLYMPIC TRIALS ON JUNE 25 - 26 (http://usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1450&itemid=4519&mid=12330)


MORE (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)



2012 United States Olympic Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) will once again be held at the Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
The 2008 Trials set a new standard for swimming excitement and 2012 promises to bring even more poolside thrills to America's Heartland.
Check back often for updates as we draw closer to naming the team that will represent the United States in the pool at the London Olympic Games.

When: Mon June 25th - Mon July 2nd 2012
DAYS Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Where: Qwest Center Omaha
455 North 10th Street Omaha, NE 68102

PSYCH Sheet (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.omegatiming.com/Sport?sport=AQ)


PRELIMS WEBCAST (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2129&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)
All but the fastest heats of preliminaries will be webcast live June 25 - July 1 beginning at 10 a.m. CT. The fastest 2-4 heats of preliminaries will be broadcast on tape delay by NBC Sports.



One cool thing is the website has USA Olympic Swimming Trials Results from 1920 - 2008 (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en)


CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


APPROVED TECH SUITS


Link to 2012 Olympic Swimming




but the coolest thing is our 2012 LCM Nats (http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php) is in the same pool starting Thu July 5th, 2012

2012 USMS Summer LCM Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
Thu July 5 - Sun 8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012


2012 Olympics USMS Forum Site

knelson
June 22nd, 2012, 12:32 PM
And lots of jobs will give you the choice: swim, or job.

If the choice is between swimming at the Olympics and keeping your job then swimming at the Olympics is an easy choice. You can get another job.

Hiro11
June 22nd, 2012, 02:48 PM
Who do you think will surprise the most at Trials?

Outside of the obvious people (Franklin, Phelps, Lochte, Coughlin, Vollmer, Adrian etc), obvious strong events, and obvious storylines (men 100 free relay etc) here are the people and events I'm most interested to see at trials:

Ricky Berens: 1:45 is a definite possibility for him. He's been looking good in the last few meets. A relay spot seems assured, but just how fast can he go?
Matt Grevers: a shot at redemption for an all around cool guy (I know people who know him). It's not going to be easy, the US is so deep in backstroke. He'll probably make the team in the 200, the 100 is a crapshoot. Could he get a prelim relay spot in the 4x100 free?
The men's 50: I have no idea who going to show up and swim well. The US needs someone to step up with a 21 low/mid, is Adrian capable? Who is the second qualifier going to be?
Caitlin Leverenz: she's almost certainly going to post a big time in the 400 IM. She's such a fascinating swimmer to watch with such a bizarre combination of strengths. Every aspect of her race has become more polished and competant in the past 12 months. Can she beat Beisel?
The women's 200 IM: so many strong competitors. I have no idea how it's going to go. 2:08 mid to make the team?
Breeja Larson: can she take down Hardy or Soni in the 100 breast? Unlikely but possible. Larson's a total wild card.
Men's 200 breast: can the US put two guys at 2:08 mid/low? It's possible although a bit unlikely. How surprising would that be?
Kate Zeigler: everyone seems to have forgotten about her on the world stage. I'd love to see her step up in the 800 and put herself back in the hunt for a medal.
Ryan Murphy: total longshot in the 200 back, but so much talent and only 16 years old. He almost certainly won't make the team, but he probably will continue to drop time like the age-grouper he is.
David Nolan: maybe not so much a "dark horse" and there's basically no way he's going to make the team, but I really like the guy in interviews and his freshman year at Stanford definitely lived up to the hype (even though he didn't swim faster than he had in HS). I just want to see how he handles a really big meet for the first time in his life.
Women's 200 fly: The US honestly needs to drop at least 2 seconds from their times this year. Can Adams drop even more? Hersey looked good at the Duel, can she post a fast time? This event is wide open.

That Guy
June 22nd, 2012, 02:57 PM
Who do you think will surprise the most at Trials?
A few names I'll add: Anthony Ervin, Katie Ledecky, Kevin Cordes. Yeah, the women's 200 fly and the men's 50 free are two races where I have no idea what is going to happen.

Hiro11
June 22nd, 2012, 03:17 PM
A few names I'll add: Anthony Ervin, Katie Ledecky, Kevin Cordes.I don't hold out much hope for Ervin despite the fact that he's a fascinating guy. I can't believe I forgot Ledecky and Cordes. Cordes is a local kid for me, I'll be watching with much interest. His coach has said that he's better at LCM than SCY (!). Ledecky is also exciting.

swimmingsf
June 22nd, 2012, 07:26 PM
I'm looking for someone to share lodging at the Olympic trials in Omaha next tues. I just rented a 1 bedroom apt with a sofa bed/couch in living room. I would rent the sofabed for $35 a night. It's a pretty big apt and it has been verified by airbnb.com. Wifi, laundry, tv, kitchen. The hotels close to the venue(8miles) are going from$375-$200 a night.
There are 2star hotels outside of Omaha that are cheaper but you would need a car to get to the venue($85 a day for a economy car) and they kinda look like a serial killer might hideout there:) ha

I never thought the price gouging would be this bad .....

I'm a pacific masters coach attending the meet for the first time. Please send me an email at macoy99@me.com if your interested or know someone who's having the same trouble of finding somewherer reasonable to sleep:)

Thanks

knelson
June 22nd, 2012, 09:16 PM
I want to see what Chad La Tourette can do in the 1500, especially after his great 1650 swim at NCAAs. I think it will be a long shot for him to be in medal contention in London, but who knows?

ande
June 24th, 2012, 12:18 PM
News
Big names among swimmers at Olympic trials (http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/big-names-among-swimmers-at-olympic-trials-2403235.html)

TRYM_Swimmer
June 24th, 2012, 08:39 PM
Phelps is in the heats for the 400 IM.

havepoolwillswim
June 24th, 2012, 08:57 PM
Phelps is in the heats for the 400 IM.

Yep- Phelps shaved. Looks like it's a go tomorrow. This should be epic.

That Guy
June 24th, 2012, 10:10 PM
Lochte is on the heat sheet for the 400 free. But not the 100 breast. So he did scratch the 100 breast, but elected not to scratch the 400 free. Hmmm.

jaadams1
June 24th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Lochte is on the heat sheet for the 400 free. But not the 100 breast. So he did scratch the 100 breast, but elected not to scratch the 400 free. Hmmm.

That's because the 400 Free is wayyyyyyyyy better than the 100 Breast!

DUH!!!!!! :D

Fresnoid
June 24th, 2012, 11:22 PM
That's because the 400 Free is wayyyyyyyyy better than the 100 Breast!

DUH!!!!!! :D

:ohyeah:

That Guy
June 25th, 2012, 12:30 AM
That's because the 400 Free is wayyyyyyyyy better than the 100 Breast!

DUH!!!!!! :D

Lochte has been saying for a while that he wants to do something that no one has ever done. But he never said what exactly. Do you think he meant the 4IM-4free double?

ande
June 25th, 2012, 06:35 AM
Trials begin today at 10 central

2012 United States Olympic Trials - Swimming (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1450&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en) will once again be held at the Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska.
The 2008 Trials set a new standard for swimming excitement and 2012 promises to bring even more poolside thrills to America's Heartland.
Check back often for updates as we draw closer to naming the team that will represent the United States in the pool at the London Olympic Games.

When: Mon June 25th - Mon July 2nd 2012
DAYS Till (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=2012+US+Olympic+Swimming+Tr ials&month=06&day=25&year=2012&hour=9&min=00&sec=00&p0=404)

Where: Qwest Center Omaha
455 North 10th Street Omaha, NE 68102

PSYCH Sheet (http://usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/44acc452-9e05-4110-b896-cbe1e0b56012/2012%20Olympic%20Trials%20Psych%20Sheet.pdf)

RESULTS (http://www.omegatiming.com/Sport?sport=AQ)


PRELIMS WEBCAST (http://usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2129&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en)
All but the fastest heats of preliminaries will be webcast live June 25 - July 1 beginning at 10 a.m. CT. The fastest 2-4 heats of preliminaries will be broadcast on tape delay by NBC Sports.



One cool thing is the website has USA Olympic Swimming Trials Results from 1920 - 2008 (http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=2069&Alias=rainbow&Lang=en)


CUTS (http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/47f659f4-8b91-4375-906e-393321a5d99d/2012%20Olympic%20Trial%20Cuts.pdf)


APPROVED TECH SUITS


Link to 2012 Olympic Swimming




but the coolest thing is our 2012 LCM Nats (http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php) is in the same pool starting Thu July 5th, 2012

2012 USMS Summer LCM Nationals
Qwest Center, Omaha, NE
Thu July 5 - Sun 8, 2012
Long Course Meters
Qualifying Times will be available in early 2012


2012 Olympics USMS Forum Site

TRYM_Swimmer
June 25th, 2012, 06:45 AM
That's because the 400 Free is wayyyyyyyyy better than the 100 Breast!

DUH!!!!!! :D

In some boring alternate universe!

ande
June 25th, 2012, 09:35 AM
2012 OLYMPIC TRIALS:

DAY 1 Prelims: Heat Sheet (http://omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#livetiming/livetiming-events.htm)


Results:

LIVE TIMING (http://omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#livetiming/livetiming-events.htm)

Day 1 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=1)


Day 2 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=2)


Day 3 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=3)


Day 4 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=4)


Day 5 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=5)


Day 6 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=6)


Day 7 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=7)


Day 8 (http://omegatiming.com/Competition?id=00010C0102FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF&day=8)


MEDIA DAY PRESS CONFERENCES, DAY 1 (http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=4528&mid=12660)

MEDIA DAY PRESS CONFERENCES, DAY 2 (http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=4529&mid=12660)

ande
June 25th, 2012, 11:02 AM
NBCOlympics.com Swimming Streaming Schedule

LIVE EXTRA (http://www.nbcolympics.com/liveextra/index.html)


Day TIME (ET) NETWORK EVENTS

June 25 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

June 26 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

June 27 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

June 28 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

June 29 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

June 30 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

July 1 8-9 p.m. NBC Finals

July 2 8-8:30 p.m. NBC Finals