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michaelmoore
September 20th, 2003, 12:05 AM
USMS is considering a bid for the 2006 FINA Master's World Championships to be held at Stanford University, Palo Alto California. The swim meet would take place over about seven day. If you were going to swim there, where would you like to stay:

San Francisco - about 30 miles - 45 minutes away
Palo Alto - 1-4 miles from the pool venue
San Jose -about 20 Miles away - 30 minutes

Phil Arcuni
September 20th, 2003, 02:26 AM
Michael, what a silly question!

I'll just stay at home and walk to the meet!

:)

I was a little surprised at the IGLA meet that the host motel was in SF (well, maybe not too surprised.) Anyway, I think a daily commute to the meet from SF would be a problem, especially in a meet with relatively few events daily. The commute from San Jose is not much better.

cinc3100
September 20th, 2003, 02:30 AM
I pick near Stanford. Its a little out of the tourist areas. While SF is a tourist place, it has a lot of homeless people in certain places and like any big city it also has its ghetto or barrio.

michaelmoore
September 20th, 2003, 01:59 PM
The IGLA meet had hotels in San Francisco and Palo Alto. The swimmers got to choose where they would want to stay. There were dinners for the swimmers in San Francisco, so I would have guessed many of the swimmers would have wanted to stay there for that reason. But the swimmers got to choose where they wanted to stay.

I am just trying to get a read on where to book hotels.

(Put Phil down for walking - does not even need a parking space.)

it has a lot of homeless people in certain places and like any big city it also has its ghetto or barrio.

Yes, San Francisco has been attractive to homeless people, but it also has great restaurants, everything in the Union Square, downtown area, Chinatown, North Beach, SOMA is within walking distance. While the City does have its low rent districts, it is impossible to find a home for less than $375,000 and rents are fairly high, so the vision of the ghetto or barrio that is in most people minds is not in the City.

michael

cinc3100
September 20th, 2003, 10:28 PM
I didn't say the whole place is a ghetto or barrio. But there are low income areas with public housing or people that live under rent control. I use to live in Orange County California while that place is more of a suburban area- the Santa Ana-Anaheim area has its barrios and people that are so poor they can't even afford to rent an apartment and live in motels. Its housing isn't as high as the bay area but its pretty high.

aquageek
September 21st, 2003, 11:05 AM
cinc310, what are you talking about?

I don't think the decision on whether to stay in downtown SF has anything to do with a ghettor or barrio? Have you ever been to the touristy areas of SF? Not quite what I would call a bad neighborhood.

lizzie
September 21st, 2003, 10:22 PM
Are the Palo Hotels able to accomodate all of the swimmers at the 2006 worlds? Has Stanford received the bid for the 2006 Worlds yet? If not - we should really highlight the great things in the entire area - including the wonderful city of San Francisco in this thread. We would not want to shoot ourselves in the foot - just because a few of us have a few loaded guns we like to wield around...

Lexa
September 21st, 2003, 11:56 PM
close to the pool works for me

cinc3100
September 22nd, 2003, 12:53 AM
I been there and been thru a place that wasn't so hot. It takes money to rent a hotel or motel room in a decent place there.

aquageek
September 22nd, 2003, 08:16 AM
It's in 2006 maybe, cinc310. Start saving now and you can stay at a good hotel. I tell you if the opportunity presents itself for a meet in the SF area, it will be very popular. That's one great place.

Phil Arcuni
September 22nd, 2003, 03:55 PM
excellent weather, excellent hotels, excellent food (even in Palo Alto and San Jose,) culturally dynamic, and a great swim facility - The bay area and Stanford can't be beat, and everyone will have fun and fast swims.

It is not the cheapest place on earth, however. Michael - given the high density of masters swimmers here (probably the highest in the world) perhaps we could set up a 'host' system, where international swimmers can stay at other swimmer's homes. I would be willing to house a couple or so . . .

Rob Copeland
September 22nd, 2003, 04:00 PM
Why donít we all just stay at Philís house?

Phil, you could charge each of the 7,500 expected participants $10 a night for 2 weeks and make a little over $1 million.

Peter Cruise
September 22nd, 2003, 05:00 PM
H-m-m-m, I recall swimming at Stanford when it hosted SCNats back in the eighties...a good investment would be to buy shares in whatever firm supplies port-a-potties, judging from that meet which I think was the largest entry number for a USNats all-time, but apt to be dwarfed by a Worlds in California. How about some real-world entry times rather than the ludicrously-low ones at the last few worlds? Yes, I know (& agree) about the inclusiveness of Masters, but this meet would have the potential to be a monster! Or else you might be looking at limiting swims to 3 or 4 per person which would be a shame.
I would stay (first choice) as close as possible, but not in downtown 'Frisco over San Jose. Yes, I know about the wonderful scene in the downtown, but when I'm at an important meet, if I want culture I'll eat yoghurt.

Phil Arcuni
September 22nd, 2003, 07:35 PM
:rolleyes:

Rob, I meant a couple of hundred, not a couple (or more!) thousand!!

What were you thinking? There is no way I can host that many!

Sheesh!

jpheather
September 22nd, 2003, 10:34 PM
I think I still have some friends in the area, so I'd probably go the couch or spare room route. Can you get any of the on-campus housing?

Conniekat8
September 23rd, 2003, 05:36 PM
Stay close to the pool.
There's plenty of restaurants there. It's all urban and suburban areas

It will be easier to drive up to San Francisco for sightseeing, then it will be to fight the traffic to come to the meet.

My aunt lives in Mountain View, which is right between Palo Alto and San Jose, driven from there to San Francisco for sightseeing many times. You hop on a freeway, and after aboutr 20-30 min of a cushy ride, you're there.

Just like any urban area, you'll probably want to avoid driving far during the rush hour (which just might be the time you're trying to get to the meet)

Besides, there are things to see in places other that the City of San Francisco.

Personally, if I qualify, or if I just come as a spectator, I'll be staying with my aunt in Mt. View.

Conniekat8
September 23rd, 2003, 06:30 PM
Oh, another thought....
Mayeb through some other school and sports organizations you guys can organize families hosting swimmers.
If I recall some of the clubs qualify as non-profit... Could you make it so that highschool kids get community service points for hosting athletes? I know down in this ares kids need certain amount of community service points just to graduate highschool, aand being that it's an international event, you could trump up it up as a chance to meet people from all over the world.

I wouldn't know how to start pulling that off... but I'm hoping you guys do. Isn't it done all the time with exchange students and similar? I know my aunt has hosted an exchange student for a semester.

Tom Ellison
September 24th, 2003, 11:23 AM
Having swam the Golden Gate Bridge Swim and Alcatraz Sharkfest swims twice...I found that EVERYWHERE in the San Francisco Bay area is a great place to stay.

cinc3100
September 24th, 2003, 12:16 PM
As long as you get a very decent place to stay its alright with me. I prefer SF and Anaheim over LA as far as cities over 300,000 in California are concern, there not as violent. And the Olympic trials is being held in Long Beach that has a worst reputition than SF does.

aquageek
September 25th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Cinc310, you are off base. What bad reputation does SF have? I can't think of a more appropriate place to hold any gathering.

cinc3100
September 25th, 2003, 11:31 PM
Well, let's forget it. I was saying it wasn't as worst as LA or Long Beach for gangs. Now, the homeless situation. all three have that problem.