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qbrain
April 8th, 2011, 10:21 AM
This morning I was swimming a short descend set, and thought it would be really difficult to go back through my workout logs to figure out if it was a descent effort.

What about logging just the most important part of a workout? You could setup twitter and tweet your workout creating a workout log for the technophile, or just a notebook in the car/swim bag for the technophobe. Easy to do right after practice before the important parts slip your mind.

Today I would have logged: 3x100 on 1:20 descend 1-3; 1:11 1:07 1:03

What is most important to me right now is speed 100s and 200s free, but I think the one liner concept has validity for sprinters, stroke specialists, distance, open water swimmers and fitness swimmers. Duration, pace, distance or conditions might be important depending on your log.

Do I care what my warm up was two months ago, or if I did fist drill on the 3rd 50 of a drill set? I don't think so, but this is a new idea for me. I could be missing something.

What kind of things would you log? What are the faults of this approach?


* If your name rhymes with "That Guy", assume that you have a 120 character limit typed on an old fashioned type writer.

That Guy
April 8th, 2011, 10:42 AM
What kind of things would you log? What are the faults of this approach?

I do something like this already - I log total yardage, total butterfly yardage, workout time, and then anything else that I consider noteworthy. So yesterday morning's taper workout was 1500/200/:40 and I noted that I did a 100 backstroke in 1:03.

The faults of this approach are that it can be difficult to go back and review what I did once I've forgotten the workout. I don't do that sort of thing very often so it's not really a problem.


* If your name rhymes with "That Guy", assume that you have a 120 character limit typed on an old fashioned type writer.
Hey wow, my name does rhyme with "That Guy!" :banana: Who else can make that claim? Well I mean, obviously, who aside from Bat Guy, the mysterious caped crusader who protects the lap lanes from the evil noodlers. What's a type writer?

smontanaro
April 8th, 2011, 10:56 AM
I wouldn't care to tweet my workouts to the world (who would care?) but a one-line
summary of my workout would be useful if the FLOG had a linear viewing option:



2011-04-06, bike, 24 miles
2011-04-07, weight, 184lbs
2011-04-07, swim, 2400 yds, 5X200 @ 3:30 ...
etc...

Rykno
April 8th, 2011, 11:07 AM
i log every meter and set. it's great to be able to go back and look at a series of 10x100 and see what my start times were and how hard I thought it was on a given day.

it's fun to go back to 2008 and see that I was swimming 10x100m on st 1:40 swimming 1:28 and now I am swimming 10x100m st 1:30 holding 1:18

gdanner
April 8th, 2011, 11:47 AM
What about logging just the most important part of a workout?

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Do I care what my warm up was two months ago, or if I did fist drill on the 3rd 50 of a drill set? I don't think so, but this is a new idea for me. I could be missing something.

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What kind of things would you log? What are the faults of this approach?

I've thought about this before and often will reduce listing my warmup/warmdown to just the distance and not specifics. After all, it probably doesn't matter much to me.

However, main set detail can be lengthy and very important. So one line would be tough on most days.

It's not a bad idea. If a lot of people did this, you could get quick practice ideas from a twitter feed on a moment's notice.

qbrain
April 8th, 2011, 12:05 PM
I wouldn't care to tweet my workouts to the world (who would care?) but a one-line


I don't think anyone would care about mine either, but I can tweet from my phone and then it is logged online. Very likely the one line logs would only make sense to the log owner.

Good example of one liners meaningful to a triathlete.

smontanaro
April 8th, 2011, 12:15 PM
Logged where? I thought tweets were ephemeral (except for LoC capturing them, which I figured was going to happen real-time).

qbrain
April 8th, 2011, 12:48 PM
However, main set detail can be lengthy and very important. So one line would be tough on most days.



Greg, Since you blog most of your workouts, do you have an example of something that would be meaningful to you but couldn't be captured in a short line? It could be that a small sample for me is meaningful because I am still dropping time even at inseason meets compared to someone who is only going to see time improvements during a taper meet.

Rykno, I am not trying to convert people, just wondering if it would be useful to lazy people like myself who might commit to writing one line. Over achievers like yourself can carry on.


Logged where? I thought tweets were ephemeral (except for LoC capturing them, which I figured was going to happen real-time).

Skip, I don't think twitter automatically expires anything, so you tweet your daily workout, twitter will have 365 lines of workouts for you at the end of the year.

djacks
April 8th, 2011, 01:03 PM
I write my workouts in a one page per day planner that I keep at my desk. I use a highlighter to capture the important stuff. I keep it pretty simple, but more than the one line approach you're talking about.

I'll send myself an email from my phone right after a workout if I'm not going to be able to write it in my log for a while.

jaadams1
April 8th, 2011, 01:04 PM
I use my phone for phone calls only. No text, no email, no twitter - whatever the heck that is anyway!!, occasional pictures of the kids for my own benefit, but mostly just phone calls.
I like to see the entire workout logs of people anyway.
If it only said 10 x 100s @ 1:20 held 1:15s for example, great...but what was the buildup towards that? was that the first part? last part? etc...
I can do the same set at the beginning of a set, or at the end of something different and have drastically different results. It gives a better picture to all that way by seeing everything, especially if you're looking back at it 3 months later.

qbrain
April 8th, 2011, 01:31 PM
I use my phone for phone calls only. No text, no email, no twitter - whatever the heck that is anyway!!, occasional pictures of the kids for my own benefit, but mostly just phone calls.

Did I mention the notebook? Specifically pencil and paper, not computer. Congrats, you have been assigned to the technophobe category!



I like to see the entire workout logs of people anyway.

I didn't think one liners would be very meaningful to anyone but the author. Twitter was just an idea to create an electronic log accessible via phone.


If it only said 10 x 100s @ 1:20 held 1:15s for example, great...but what was the buildup towards that? was that the first part? last part? etc...
I can do the same set at the beginning of a set, or at the end of something different and have drastically different results. It gives a better picture to all that way by seeing everything, especially if you're looking back at it 3 months later.

You do 2,500 yard workouts right? Warm up, 10x100, cool down... timed 400IM? Yes, I agree the placement of that timed 400IM would drastically change my perspective on my times from the 10x100s... but I would have one lined the 400IM.

This is good feedback, it seems the people who log full workouts don't have any trouble looking back and finding meaningful patterns, which is what I think the primary benefit of one liners would be, having the meaningful bits of 20 workouts on one page.

tjrpatt
April 8th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Q, Maybe just do a week/2 weeks/etc. of one-liners for every blog post. Saved everything to a blog draft and then, publish when you have enough content. Then, everything will be there to check for patterns.

jaadams1
April 8th, 2011, 03:38 PM
You do 2,500 yard workouts right?

If I had the chance to, I'd be training like I used to in college, or at least close to it, then I could still be giving those distance races a real chance.

jaadams1
April 8th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Did I mention the notebook? Specifically pencil and paper, not computer. Congrats, you have been assigned to the technophobe category!

No technophobe, I'm plain cheap! Why pay extra $$$ for something I don't need to have. I don't know how anyone ever made it through life without a cell phone 10-20 years ago. Life is too easy now.

quicksilver
April 8th, 2011, 04:34 PM
One line a day make sense. Especially if the main set holds any relevance (as far as making a certain interval while coming in on particular repeat).

I have 3 or 4 sets in the 2,000 yard range. And from week to week it's helpful to see how things are progressing while chipping away at a particular distance.
:2cents:

Warren
April 8th, 2011, 05:02 PM
I write out everything that i do in an excel spread sheet. I insert detailed comments on a lot of the sets about times, how I felt, ect... but the spread sheet still looks neat and organized because the text won't show up unless you have the cursor over the specific set.

aquageek
April 8th, 2011, 05:11 PM
What kind of things would you log?

Q's workout today was lame.

qbrain
April 8th, 2011, 09:17 PM
If I had the chance to, I'd be training like I used to in college, or at least close to it, then I could still be giving those distance races a real chance.

James, I am concerned for your mental health.

As for the topic at hand, I wasn't criticizing your yardage and I believe your concern over set order might be valid for longer workouts that have the yardage for multiple main sets, but sadly that isn't me. Even back when I was getting 4-5k workouts/day in, it always seemed like there was one set that I really wanted to kill and the rest were more survival mode, but this could be that I am just an immature swimmer and lack the experience to maximize the benefit of my training.

Bobinator
April 8th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Good idea Q!
I crack myself up when I blog or flog my silly workouts, in fact I don't even go back and read them myself!
I would love it if I could get a main set FB'ed to me every day; I could just put my blackberry in a zip-lock bag and go straight to the pool right after work and "just do it!" :bolt: