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Rykno
April 11th, 2011, 03:18 PM
I know that there are sites/programs and maybe even tables out there for converting times from yards to meters.

But do they work for everyone?

last april I was able to swim a 200 yard pushing it hard but not max for a 2:03 which according to one site would mean I could swim roughly 2:17 at practice in a meters pool. today i pushed a 200 and hit the wall at 2:25 or so.

I started thinking about it for the rest of practice and decided that my yards times are much faster than my meters time converted because my body type benefits greatly from taking 2-4 less strokes/length as well as getting that break on the turn earlier.

anyone have recent times in yards and meters that could test any of the converting sites and see if they are even close.

here's the one I use more often
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/results/conversions.asp

Speedo
April 11th, 2011, 03:45 PM
That's a good question. Even though I swim yards more often, all of my best times (converted or not) were swum in either long course or short course meters- I use the same converter as you do.

So, we're opposites.

One hypothesis I have is that I take it a bit easier at first in meters races, which allows me to pace better. Either that, or the extra 15sec spent on a 200 favors me (I don't think that is the case, however).

ande
April 11th, 2011, 04:32 PM
It's difficult to convert times from one course to another course.
2:03 200 scy is faster than 2:25 LCM

Short course has twice as many turns and push offs, the fastest you're ever going to move in a swimming race is when you're streamlined and you've just pushed off the wall. Your speed and distance depends on
your size, shape, and mass along with how hard and how well you push off.

Most swimmers are usually faster SCM than they are in LCM, unless they have terrible turns and push offs.

1 yard is 36 inches; 1 meter is 39.3700787 inches

39.3700787 divided by 36 = 1.0936133


As an example

Cesar Cielo's US Open Record in the mens 100 yard freestyle is 40.92
YouTube - The Fastest 100 yard Freestyle EVER!

Cesar's 100 long course meter freestyle world record is 46.91
YouTube - Cesar Cielo BRASIL (46.91) 100 m livre new world record Roma 2009

46.91 / 40.92 = 1.1464
so there's a 14.64% time difference for him when we compare his best LCM time with his best SCY time
(his 46.91 is probably a faster swim, he definitely wore a faster suit.)
(So converting times not as simple as comparing the mathmatical difference of meters to yards to come up with a conversion factor)

Amaury Leveaux's world record in the 100 SCM free is 44.94
YouTube - Amaury Leveaux - WR- 44.94 -100m Freestyle - Rijeka

46.91 / 44.94 = 1.0438

it also vary's from stroke to stroke and for men and women.

MEN
50 free LCM/SCM 20.91 20.30 1.030
50 back LCM/SCM 24.04 22.61 1.063
50 breast LCM/SCM 26.67 25.25 1.056
50 fly LCM/SCM 22.43 21.80 1.0289

WOMEN
50 free LCM/SCM 23.73 23.25 1.0206
50 back LCM/SCM 27.06 25.70 1.0529
50 breast LCM/SCM 29.80 28.80 1.0347
50 fly LCM/SCM 25.07 24.38 1.0283

There's plenty of swimmers who do well short course and not as well long course. Fewer who do well long course and not as well short course.

Given one time in one course,
how would your time compare for the same event in another course?

IT DEPENDS

Swim both around the same time (as in days or weeks) and find out for yourself.



I know that there are sites/programs and maybe even tables out there for converting times from yards to meters.

But do they work for everyone?

last april I was able to swim a 200 yard pushing it hard but not max for a 2:03 which according to one site would mean I could swim roughly 2:17 at practice in a meters pool. today i pushed a 200 and hit the wall at 2:25 or so.

I started thinking about it for the rest of practice and decided that my yards times are much faster than my meters time converted because my body type benefits greatly from taking 2-4 less strokes/length as well as getting that break on the turn earlier.

anyone have recent times in yards and meters that could test any of the converting sites and see if they are even close.

here's the one I use more often
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/results/conversions.asp

knelson
April 11th, 2011, 04:50 PM
I figure adding 10% is a pretty good approximation for SCY to SCM. As Ande noted a meter is only 9% longer than a yard, but when you also figure in that you are swimming slightly longer time-wise in meters you need to add in a little more. If you are a great underwater swimmer and use nearly the full 15 meters off every wall you should be considerably more than 10% faster in yards. You're allowed to swim 60% of the race underwater in SCM, but almost 66% of the race underwater in SCY, after all!

larsoda
April 11th, 2011, 05:03 PM
Well, it turns out I swam quite a few SCM and SCY meets this season. (jaadams1 also did, so he might have data to show, too)
I'll just post the 3 consecutive meets

..............2/5/11........ 2/13/11.......... 2/20/11
................(Y)......(M converted to Y)... (Y)
100 fr .... :57.75 .......:56.53 (1)........ :57.13
200 fr ....2:07.14 .....2:03.35 (2).......2:04.21
100 IM ...1:10.96 .....1:08.96 (3) ..........--
100 ba .......-- .........1:08.65 (4) ......1:09.15

Metric times converted using the Swimming World Conversion Utility
(1) 1:03.09
(2) 2:17.67
(3) 1:16.66 (converted using 200IM as the race)
(4) 1:16.62

On the face, it appears that, for me, the conversion utility is a bit generous. But since I swam in different pools on different days with different meals, etc., it's hardly a repudiation of the tool.

BUT - the 2/13 swims were at a meet where Megan Jendrick broke 3 WR's, so maybe I was faster that day....

jaadams1
April 11th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Well, it turns out I swam quite a few SCM and SCY meets this season. (jaadams1 also did, so he might have data to show, too)


Here's mine purely for statistical purposes. :D
I'm only listing similar events that can be compared.
BLUE = SCM --> SCY conversion with swimmingworld.com

200 Free 2:11.24 --> 1:57.59 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
200 Free .................1:56.16 Briggs Y Olympia (SCY) 2/5 ~200 ft. elevation
200 Free 2:08.29 --> 1:54.59 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Free .................1:56.52 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

500 Free .................5:17.14 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
400 Free 4:40.62 --> 5:20.75 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation

800 Free 9:54.00 --> 11:18.94 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
1000 Free ...............10:53.88 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

200 Back 2:33.78 --> 2:17.79 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 Back 2:29.60 --> 2:14.04 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Back .................2:15.94 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

50 Fly 28.68 --> 25.70 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
50 Fly 28.99 --> 25.98 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
50 Fly ..............26.19 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation

100 Fly 1:03.99 --> 57.34 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................57.39 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................59.22 Briggs Y Olympia (SCY) 2/5 ~200 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................58.32 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

200 Fly 2:29.75 --> 2:14.18 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 Fly 2:25.90 --> 2:10.73 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:07.71 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:08.50 Canby Animal Meet (SCY) 2/13 ~200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:08.51 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
200 Fly 2:24.22 --> 2:09.22 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:06.07 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

200 IM 2:28.80 --> 2:13.32 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 IM .................2:10.30 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
200 IM .................2:11.83 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

400 IM 5:19.04 --> 4:45.86 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:39.78 Canby Animal Meet (SCY) 2/13 ~200 ft. elevation
400 IM 5:08.06 --> 4:36.02 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:41.94 Inland NW Champs (SCY) 3/26 ~1000 ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:35.01 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

Conclusion:
For the most part...it seems that my SCY swum events/times are faster than their comparable conversions from SCM. Also...elevation may need to be considered too. 2 of my SCM meets were at **4200 & 2200 ft of elevation.
Other Conclusion:
I like the 200 Fly :banana:

qbrain
April 11th, 2011, 08:31 PM
The better your turn relative to your stroke, the faster your times will be relative to the distance. Make sense?

If you have a fast flip, catapults for legs, a great streamline and some killer dolphin kicks, but are mediocre at the actual "swimming" part, you will rank from best to worst scy, scm, lcm. If the opposite is true, and your strength is swimming, not making use of walls, your best to worst course would be lcm, scm and scy.

The well balanced swimmer will have the most accurate conversions. If your LCM time converts faster than your SCM time, your stroke is better than your turns, while if your SCM converts faster than your SCM time, your turns are better than your stroke.

My 50 LCM times convert to times much faster than my best SCY time, which tells me there is easy improvements to be made by focusing on improving my walls, especially since my training usually gets lighter during the summer because of decreased lane space, and I spend 10 months of the year training SCY.

Karl_S
April 11th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Here is my experience for one more data point:

For conversions between SCY and SCM, I find the Swimming World converter to be reasonably accurate.

If I take my LCM time and convert to SCY, I get a time that is faster than I can swim. If I take my SCY time and convert to LCM, I get a time that I can swim easily.

On the other hand, I have found that if I take my SCY time, convert to SCM, then convert that SCM time to LCM, I get a reasonaby accurate prediction. YMMV

larsoda
April 11th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Here's mine purely for statistical purposes. :D
I'm only listing similar events that can be compared.
BLUE = SCM --> SCY conversion with swimmingworld.com

200 Free 2:11.24 --> 1:57.59 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
200 Free .................1:56.16 Briggs Y Olympia (SCY) 2/5 ~200 ft. elevation
200 Free 2:08.29 --> 1:54.59 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Free .................1:56.52 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

500 Free .................5:17.14 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
400 Free 4:40.62 --> 5:20.75 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation

800 Free 9:54.00 --> 11:18.94 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
1000 Free ...............10:53.88 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

200 Back 2:33.78 --> 2:17.79 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 Back 2:29.60 --> 2:14.04 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Back .................2:15.94 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

50 Fly 28.68 --> 25.70 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
50 Fly 28.99 --> 25.98 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
50 Fly ..............26.19 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation

100 Fly 1:03.99 --> 57.34 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................57.39 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................59.22 Briggs Y Olympia (SCY) 2/5 ~200 ft. elevation
100 Fly .................58.32 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

200 Fly 2:29.75 --> 2:14.18 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 Fly 2:25.90 --> 2:10.73 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 < 100 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:07.71 Wenatchee Winter Meet (SCY) 1/23 ~1200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:08.50 Canby Animal Meet (SCY) 2/13 ~200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:08.51 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
200 Fly 2:24.22 --> 2:09.22 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
200 Fly .................2:06.07 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

200 IM 2:28.80 --> 2:13.32 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
200 IM .................2:10.30 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation
200 IM .................2:11.83 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation

400 IM 5:19.04 --> 4:45.86 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:39.78 Canby Animal Meet (SCY) 2/13 ~200 ft. elevation
400 IM 5:08.06 --> 4:36.02 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:41.94 Inland NW Champs (SCY) 3/26 ~1000 ft. elevation
400 IM .................4:35.01 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation

Conclusion:
For the most part...it seems that my SCY swum events/times are faster than their comparable conversions from SCM. Also...elevation may need to be considered too. 2 of my SCM meets were at **4200 & 2200 ft of elevation.
Other Conclusion:
I like the 200 Fly :banana:

A+ for completeness! the altitude information was a nice touch.

Fantastic conclusion statement, too!

I thought more data might yield more consistent results. It looks like, in your case, shorter races convert mostly to faster times and longer races convert mostly to slower times.

Beats me if that says something about the conversion utility or not.

It was an interesting read though.

Thanks

jaadams1
April 11th, 2011, 11:37 PM
A+ for completeness! the altitude information was a nice touch.


The altitude definitely made a difference that I could feel in most of the swims at Salt Lake City @ 4200 ft. (I normally practice @ 1200ft.). The swimming at 2200ft wasn't that big of a deal, but I could feel a little discomfort in the longer races (400s).
I like going to sea level or close to it @ Seattle area.

Rykno
April 12th, 2011, 01:56 AM
We just had our last SCM meet of the season and I had to work as an official. Next time I can swim SCM will be sept

thanks for all the input.

my best 100 breast SCM vs LCM as a master

1:13.42 vs 1:16.87

according to the site 1:16.08, since the LCM time was 6 months before the SCM time I would say that the SCM to LCM works.

if I get to race this summer in Texas and it's yards I'll be able to compare june LCM to july SCY. it would be so cool to swim down around 1:05 in yards! my Lifetime best is 1:02.98 (1995)

geochuck
April 12th, 2011, 05:36 AM
1.5 to 2 seconds per 50 crawl.

knelson
April 12th, 2011, 10:08 AM
1.5 to 2 seconds per 50 crawl.

This is awfully stingy. I'd say it's more than 2 seconds for even the very fastest swimmers. For example, Cielo's WR in the 50 free is a 20.91. His fastest in yards is 18.47. So I'd say 2.5 to 3 seconds is more realistic for fast swimmers.

qbrain
April 12th, 2011, 12:51 PM
This is awfully stingy. I'd say it's more than 2 seconds for even the very fastest swimmers. For example, Cielo's WR in the 50 free is a 20.91. His fastest in yards is 18.47. So I'd say 2.5 to 3 seconds is more realistic for fast swimmers.

geochuck is Canadian so I bet he is converting from SCM to LCM.

knelson
April 12th, 2011, 01:15 PM
geochuck is Canadian so I bet he is converting from SCM to LCM.

I don't think so. No way a turn is worth two seconds. The world records in the men's 100 free are very close to two seconds different between short course and long course, so that tells me a turn is worth about a second (in freestyle).

geochuck
April 12th, 2011, 01:16 PM
It was a 1 time deal 25 yard pool 50 to a 50 meter in a LC pool. It was done the same day I could have messed up the turn in the yards pool.

ande
April 12th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Rykno,

your tag says: "(visit Waco Texas for vacation)"

WHY WACO? there are plenty of places in TX that are WAY WAY WAY nicer than WACO, let me know what days you're in Texas and I'll help plan what to do, mainly don't spend much time in WACO

like July 2011
South Central Zone Championships (http://www.southtexasmastersswimming.com/events/events.htm)
Long Course Meters
July 23 - 24
not sure where they are yet


Ande

couldbebetterfly
April 12th, 2011, 10:27 PM
like July 2011
South Central Zone Championships (http://www.southtexasmastersswimming.com/events/events.htm)
Long Course Meters
July 23 - 24
not sure where they are yet




:hijack:Any idea when we get to find where they are? and are they likely to be North Texas like last year?

Rykno
April 13th, 2011, 02:39 AM
Rykno,
your tag says: "(visit Waco Texas for vacation)"
WHY WACO? there are plenty of places in TX that are WAY WAY WAY nicer than WACO, let me know what days you're in Texas and I'll help plan what to do, mainly don't spend much time in WACO

like July 2011
South Central Zone Championships (http://www.southtexasmastersswimming.com/events/events.htm)
Long Course Meters
July 23 - 24
not sure where they are yet

Ande

Why Waco, because my parents moved there in '95 and when spending 3-5 weeks in the US it's much cheaper to stay with them than to live in hotels and eat out ;)

We plan on going up to Dallas, down to San Antonio, and if it's not too hot (over 100) I might take my oldest (6yrs) to NASA for a day trip.

We can't book our tickets until our 3rd baby comes. Anytime now! Because my wife wants the baby to get it's first set of vaccinations before we travel and the midwives in Sweden suggest the earliest is 10 weeks. so I am crossing my fingers we can get over there for the 4th of July and stay until 15th of aug so I can watch the Denver vs Dallas game.

as soon as a location is made known for Zones I would much rather make plans for that meet than the Summer Games of Texas

qbrain
April 13th, 2011, 09:35 AM
:hijack:Any idea when we get to find where they are? and are they likely to be North Texas like last year?

Frequent hosts are CISD in Southlake, TX (North Texas) and CISD in Woodlands, TX (North of Houston).

I don't see that the meet has been posted anywhere, nor a recent LMSC meeting minutes that might have mentioned it.

couldbebetterfly
April 13th, 2011, 10:32 AM
Frequent hosts are CISD in Southlake, TX (North Texas) and CISD in Woodlands, TX (North of Houston).

I don't see that the meet has been posted anywhere, nor a recent LMSC meeting minutes that might have mentioned it.

Its showing on Dallas Aquatic Masters website, just dates, no info. I vote for Southlake as I probably wouldn't be up for a trip Houston way 2 days after returning from the UK!

Rykno
April 18th, 2011, 06:09 AM
as soon as someone gets it verified where Zones will be please post it here.

I would much rather swim at USMS meet than a TAAF meet.

I'm currently Unattached, but if I can make it to Zones, I would look into joining a team. Only interested in swimming Breast and potentially Fly and IM. but until I see an order of events I won't be able to determine that.

thanks
Ryan

Rykno
April 18th, 2011, 09:56 AM
just got this answer via email

"The Zone meet is at the new Woodlands indoor pool great facility! "

qbrain
April 18th, 2011, 04:36 PM
just got this answer via email

"The Zone meet is at the new Woodlands indoor pool great facility! "

It is a nice facility. Driving to Houston at the end of July isn't so nice.

I will be out of town/country that weekend, so I won't be there, but feel free to drive up for the DAM meet in June. With lots of warm water, hot sun and little rest, it is a great lactic workout.

pwb
April 18th, 2011, 08:17 PM
... Houston ... isn't so nice...I couldn't have said it better myself.

couldbebetterfly
April 18th, 2011, 09:14 PM
It is a nice facility. Driving to Houston at the end of July isn't so nice.

I will be out of town/country that weekend, so I won't be there, but feel free to drive up for the DAM meet in June. With lots of warm water, hot sun and little rest, it is a great lactic workout.

Think I'll be giving Woodlands a miss then, but am still planning on attempting the 200 fly at SMU in June:drowning:. Now I need to pick my other events (if any) - maybe its not such a good idea to swim the 1500 on the same day?

Rykno
April 19th, 2011, 02:36 AM
after a quick search I found the woodlands homepage and this link to the meet flyer

http://www.wmst.net/documents/Flyer-2011_SCZ-LC.pdf

I like this part of the pool stats "down hill, both ways"

qbrain
April 19th, 2011, 03:50 PM
:hijack:



Think I'll be giving Woodlands a miss

I don't want anyone to mistake my statement, the Woodlands pool and the area around it are great. Driving for 3 or 4 hours in 100+ weather, even with the AC cranked to max isn't appealing to me. The Southlake and Woodlands pools are of equal quality, but the Woodlands has tons more parking, hotels with kitchens across the highway, a large nice strip mall with quick food options.

I like Southlake better because it is 25 minutes from home :)


then, but am still planning on attempting the 200 fly at SMU in June:drowning:. Now I need to pick my other events (if any) - maybe its not such a good idea to swim the 1500 on the same day?

The meet was traditionally Friday/Saturday, last year it was Saturday/Sunday and this year it looks like it is only one day? If it is one day, the 1500 will probably be first as an early session with the main meet schedule to start "no earlier than" sometime, so only the 1500ers need to sit through that tedium. The water temp at SMU is not bad first thing in the morning, the 200 fly is in the middle of the meet, so if you deal with heat well, it shouldn't be any problem to swim both.

If you don't deal with heat well, I wouldn't swim both. There should be plenty of time between them, but you will need to rehydrate intelligently after the 1500.

Here is my write up on day 2 of the meet last year: http://forums.usms.org/blog.php?b=10403

couldbebetterfly
April 19th, 2011, 10:16 PM
:hijack:



I like Southlake better because it is 25 minutes from home :)



The meet was traditionally Friday/Saturday, last year it was Saturday/Sunday and this year it looks like it is only one day? If it is one day, the 1500 will probably be first as an early session with the main meet schedule to start "no earlier than" sometime, so only the 1500ers need to sit through that tedium. The water temp at SMU is not bad first thing in the morning, the 200 fly is in the middle of the meet, so if you deal with heat well, it shouldn't be any problem to swim both.

If you don't deal with heat well, I wouldn't swim both. There should be plenty of time between them, but you will need to rehydrate intelligently after the 1500.

Here is my write up on day 2 of the meet last year: http://forums.usms.org/blog.php?b=10403

Thanks for the tips...I reckon Southlake is about 35/40 mins from me, maybe next year eh? As for the DAM meet, do they do an 800 free? My only motivation for the 1500 would be a possible top 10, and its a helluva long way to swim and come in 11th!

...now to prove I've not gone completely off topic: 1500m open water at 23.12, would convert to 1500m LC at 22.43 taking 1 sec per turn, then take off a bit more for better fitness and I might bring it in under 22 if I catch the current in the pool right.........

no200fly
April 19th, 2011, 11:02 PM
as soon as someone gets it verified where Zones will be please post it here.

I would much rather swim at USMS meet than a TAAF meet.

I'm currently Unattached, but if I can make it to Zones, I would look into joining a team. Only interested in swimming Breast and potentially Fly and IM. but until I see an order of events I won't be able to determine that.

thanks
Ryan

You will like the Woodlands pool. You will enjoy the meet at SMU also, if you can come.

When you are in Dallas if you need a place to swim, feel free to come swim with us at Town North Y - every weekday at 12 noon, Saturday at 7am.

Finally, Waco is not that bad, you can water ski on lake Waco, hike and bike in Cameron Park, visit the Texas Ranger Museum and have a chicken fried steak and a Big O at George's. I spent two and a half years there when I was in school and we had a great time.

qbrain
April 20th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the tips...I reckon Southlake is about 35/40 mins from me, maybe next year eh? As for the DAM meet, do they do an 800 free? My only motivation for the 1500 would be a possible top 10, and its a helluva long way to swim and come in 11th!


I would give Southlake a better than even chance at hosting SCY Zones 2012.

There is no official 800 free, but you can either split request or talk to Bobby Patten about adding an event number for it which would probably just be combined with a 1500 heat. I think there were only 2 1500 heats last year and the year before.

Thanks for the reminder, I came in 11th in the 1500 last year. :badday:

couldbebetterfly
April 20th, 2011, 08:57 PM
I would give Southlake a better than even chance at hosting SCY Zones 2012.

Cool - hopefully I'll be there then!




There is no official 800 free, but you can either split request or talk to Bobby Patten about adding an event number for it which would probably just be combined with a 1500 heat. I think there were only 2 1500 heats last year and the year before.

You know just after I posted it, I thought I could probably do a split request :doh:. Looking at last year's TT I reckon I have more chance for an 800 than 1500, maybe there are less on offer?




Thanks for the reminder, I came in 11th in the 1500 last year. :badday:

Sorry.....will now take foot out of mouth....