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ande
June 2nd, 2011, 10:42 AM
2011 14th Fina World Swimming Championships (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/competition/sw/)

Shanghai, China
Sat July 24 - Sun Aug 1st

Schedule (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/schedule/index.shtml)

Results (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/results/)

Pretraining (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/13/2011/0412/158.html)
there's Six pretraining venues has already prepared for the teams and athletics who arrive in shanghai ahead of the scheduled time. & the cheapest they charge the athletes to train is $20 per hour per swimmer.

Couroboros
June 2nd, 2011, 02:30 PM
Can't wait, and Go Phelps! U-S-A!

orca1946
June 2nd, 2011, 03:38 PM
Go U S A :applaud::banana:

lefty
June 3rd, 2011, 10:50 AM
This is the second biggest swimmeet in the 4 year cycle ( Well maybe US Olympic trials). Time for Phelps to put up or shutup. No more excuses about not being in racing shape. If he isn't ready for this meet, I don't think he will be ready next year either.

havepoolwillswim
June 3rd, 2011, 01:22 PM
This is the second biggest swimmeet in the 4 year cycle ( Well maybe US Olympic trials). Time for Phelps to put up or shutup. No more excuses about not being in racing shape. If he isn't ready for this meet, I don't think he will be ready next year either.

yep- totally agree

havepoolwillswim
June 3rd, 2011, 01:31 PM
I'm a "friend" of Tyler Clary on facebook. A few weeks ago, he posted that he suited up and went a 1:54.7 for a 200 meter LC back in practice(yes... in practice)!

I'm really looking forward to watching Clary/Lochte battle it out.

ande
June 3rd, 2011, 04:18 PM
This is the second biggest swimmeet in the 4 year cycle ( Well maybe US Olympic trials). Time for Phelps to put up or shutup. No more excuses about not being in racing shape. If he isn't ready for this meet, I don't think he will be ready next year either.

Really? That's pretty harsh. Give Phelps a break, don't crucify him for his midseason swims. Wait for the Big Meets & let's see how he swims.


here's a recent phelps article


Michael Phelps says he's physically and mentally rebuilding for Olympics
By Marc Tougas, The Canadian Press 1 day ago

MONTREAL Michael Phelps says he's in the midst of a physical and mental rebuilding process but is determined to regain his performance level of the Beijing Games when he comes to Montreal in July.

The American swimmer, who turns 26 as he participates in two events at the Canada Cup of swimming on July 2-3, acknowledges he struggled to get motivated after winning gold in all eight races where he competed at the 2008 Olympics.

That's why he took a break before resuming serious training this year.

"I needed to step away and take some time for myself," he said.

"I was able to do that. It has been a slow process to get back to where I want to be."

But Phelps is satisified with the direction he's headed in, saying, "I'm happy, I'm working hard."

"I feel there's been a lot of improvement," he said. "I know the goals I have are extremely high and they're going to be extremely hard and difficult to achieve but they're something I want very bad and if I want something bad enough, I'm going to work as hard as I can to get there."

Phelps, who also won six gold and two bronze medals at the Athens Olympics in 2004, is now training at high altitude in Colorado Springs to bring his body to its maximum level of fitness.

He said he'll know by the end of the summer what his goals will be for the London Olympics and how he'll prepare for the Summer Games in 2012.

Phelps didn't see himself competing in eight events again at the Olympics but he said his regimen this summer will give him a good idea of what his body can handle.

He said he wants he wants to bring his body to a level that allows him to compete in as many events as possible and said that this summer he wants to be able to compete in the preliminaries, the semifinals and in the 100-metre and 200-metre relay.

The competition in Montreal, which will serve as preparation for the world championships that will follow from July 16 to July 31 in Shanghai, will be one of the early stages in Phelps' attack plan.

Phelps pointed out that competing in Montreal in 2009 helped him gain confidence to compete at the world championships.

Phelps has yet to confirm which events he will enroll in Montreal, but he is likely to contest the 200 freestyle and 100 butterfly.

Phelps acknowledged that the comeback of Ian Thorpe is an important motivator for him. The Australian has been a longtime inspiration to him and rival.

He said he looks forward to facing Thorpe, whom he described as one of the best freestyle swimmers in history, in a duel that will likely happen in January 2012.

"I love to see a talented athlete return to competition," he said, adding he'll be interested to see what progress Thorpe makes over the next year.

from: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jv1yizTgeSqcCRevl7hpAxdwuszQ?docId=7024390

TRYM_Swimmer
June 3rd, 2011, 04:57 PM
This is the second biggest swimmeet in the 4 year cycle ( Well maybe US Olympic trials). Time for Phelps to put up or shutup. No more excuses about not being in racing shape. If he isn't ready for this meet, I don't think he will be ready next year either.

The man did eight golds; what motivation would you or I have after that to even swim anymore? There's nowhere for him to go but down. I'm just glad he's keeping swimming in the news by competing. Who but we insiders even know who Lochte is? As long as Michael is competing, we'll see swimming headlines on the front web pages of ESPN and SI. That's a good thing, IMHO.

ande
July 6th, 2011, 10:06 AM
Worlds is getting closer, I believe swimmers leave for training camp on the 10th or 11th. Can't wait.

Couroboros
July 6th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Twitter is abuzz with all different swimmers tweeting about the beginning of their tapers. Nathan Adrian was querying his followers for taper ideas.

That Guy
July 13th, 2011, 04:51 PM
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/13/7076287-why-shanghai-swimmers-shun-pork-dumplings

:afraid:

lefty
July 13th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Really? That's pretty harsh. Give Phelps a break, don't crucify him for his midseason swims. Wait for the Big Meets & let's see how he swims.


Ande, I totally agree that the midseason swims don't matter (much). That is why I prefaced the put up or shut up statement with, "This is the second biggest swimmeet in the 4 year cycle." I don't think that his inconsistency up to this point matters. I DO think it matters if this meet is flop.

I really am excited to see how he swims. I think he will have some really good swims and a few disappointing ones.

lefty
July 13th, 2011, 05:34 PM
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/13/7076287-why-shanghai-swimmers-shun-pork-dumplings

:afraid:

If it is better to let 10 criminals go than wrongly convict 1 innocent than I might consider completely eliminating drug testing for this event.

Jazz Hands
July 13th, 2011, 07:26 PM
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/13/7076287-why-shanghai-swimmers-shun-pork-dumplings

:afraid:

Who originally invented the 12,000 calorie number for Michael Phelps?

That Guy
July 13th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Who originally invented the 12,000 calorie number for Michael Phelps?

Phelps did, apparently on August 13 2008.

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Michael-Phelps-eats-12-000-calories-per-day?urn=oly-100671
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403803,00.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/08/13/the-michael-phelps-diet-dont-try-it-at-home/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/phelps-eats-12000-calorie_n_118647.html

Last but definitely not least:
http://www.infobarrel.com/Why_Michael_Phelps_12000_Calorie_Diet_is_Fake

qbrain
July 14th, 2011, 09:43 AM
Phelps did, apparently on August 13 2008.



"Eat, sleep and swim. That's all I can do," Phelps, who won two more gold medals today, told NBC when asked what he needs to win medals. "Get some calories into my system and try to recover the best I can."

That is his actual quote. Strange that the NY Post has no actual quotes from Phelps or his nutritionist on the details of his diet. I can see the interview now

Investigative reporter: How many calories do you eat in a day?
Phelps: I don't know, a lot.
Investigative reporter: Would you say you eat 8,000 calories in a day?
Phelps: I don't know.
Investigative reporter: Would you say you eat 10,000 calories in a day?
Phelps: <shrugs>
Investigative reporter: Would you say you eat 12,000 calories in a day?
Phelps: <laughs>
Investigative reporter: Wow, 12,000 calories!

Other quality articles written by the 12,000 calorie author:
- Phelps' pig secret: he's Boy Gorge
- Rat crawls up man's leg on subway
- Even Beckham Can't Save Soccer in America
- Duke coach slam dunks Obama over NCAA picks

Closer to the topic, I am glad to see that Phelps has top times going into Worlds. I guess he has actually been training or something.

vndad
July 15th, 2011, 10:11 AM
It looks like that details of the opening ceremony of the 2011 FINA World Championships in Shanghai are not closely guarded, unlike the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Here are some of the pictures of the full rehearsal on July 14th:

ande
July 19th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Worlds begin in less than a week
Anyone looking forward to following the excitement?

vndad
July 19th, 2011, 12:20 PM
Worlds begin in less than a week
Anyone looking forward to following the excitement?

Open water swimming has already started. I have looked at the Chinese sports TV site but couldn't find a video link to today's Women's 10K which Keri-Anne Payne won. This is a real pity because that site has complete video coverage for all other events including water polo competitions.

pwb
July 20th, 2011, 01:27 AM
Alex Meyer finished in the money (4th) so to speak and locked a slot for London 2012 -- http://www.dailynewsofopenwaterswimming.com/2011/07/official-results-of-mens-10k-world.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyNewsOfOpenWaterSwimmi ng+%28The+Daily+News+of+Open+Water+Swimming%29 -- the only American OW swimmer to do so. I gather the other 15 slots for each of men and women get determined at a later date. Does anyone know why they are limiting the London 2012 10K to only 25 swimmers? I know the Serpentine's a bit constrained on space, but I would think it could support a bigger field than that.

selkie
July 20th, 2011, 10:50 AM
I suspect it's not the venue that's the problem; it's the overall Olympic athlete cap that FINA is bumping up against. Same reason why we don't get a women's 1500M or men's 800M and the number of relays are very limited*- the IOC thinks there are already too many swimmers and swim events, and if we let the number of swimmers grow more, they'd have to reduce the slots for table tennis or synchronized trampoline or something.

*I wish the IOC would adopt the NCAA's 'qualify four people individually, and they can swim a relay' rule because it would make for more relays at the meet, some of which can probably make finals, while keeping the athlete cap in place. Even if you get the occasional oddball entry where your 10M tower diver ends up swimming a freestyle leg for said patched together relay.

Undeniable
July 21st, 2011, 12:08 PM
Has anyone seen psych sheets for Worlds yet? (and if so, can you post a link?) The meet's only 3 days away, and psych sheets are still nowhere to be seen.:badday:

selkie
July 21st, 2011, 01:11 PM
No pool entries list on Omega Timing yet, even though they've got the open water entry lists for all events up at this point.

ande
July 22nd, 2011, 11:56 AM
News usa today
Swimmers expect fewer records after ban on fast suits
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2011-07-19-world-swimming-championships-suits_n.htm

Also there's an article about phelps on the cover of USA Today
Phelps looks to regain world dominance in the pool
On the cover of USA Today
But haven't found the link

selkie
July 22nd, 2011, 12:37 PM
Official psych/heat sheet is reportedly supposed to be available Saturday morning Beijing time/Friday night continental US time after the individual events entry deadline has passed.

Chris Stevenson
July 22nd, 2011, 05:50 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/usaedition/2011-07-22-1a-cover-michael-phelps_cv_u.htm?csp=obnetwork

knelson
July 22nd, 2011, 06:34 PM
Before the 2007 world championships, where Phelps won all five of his individual events -- most by body lengths over the second-place finishers -- he was swimming up to 80,000 meters (49.7 miles) a week in training. This past year that weekly total has been closer to 30,000 meters (18.6 miles)

Wow. Had no idea he was training so little.

That Guy
July 22nd, 2011, 06:41 PM
for Bowman and Phelps, the biggest question mark going into the meet is whether the results will indicate that Phelps should drop the 200 butterfly to compete instead in the 100 freestyle in London.

Wow.

Syd
July 22nd, 2011, 06:54 PM
Official psych/heat sheet is reportedly supposed to be available Saturday morning Beijing time/Friday night continental US time after the individual events entry deadline has passed.

And here is the reason why: Release of Shanghai Psyche Sheets (http://theswimmerscircle.com/blog/featured/shanghai-roundup-fina-hints-at-release-of-psych-sheets-china-slips-in-diving-5k-open-water/)

smontanaro
July 22nd, 2011, 07:03 PM
Wow. Had no idea he was training so little.

Yeah, he's really been mailing it in lately. :-)

S

KEWebb18
July 22nd, 2011, 10:07 PM
Does anyone know if/where this will be televised or streaming online?

tjrpatt
July 22nd, 2011, 10:11 PM
I think that it is one Universal Sports on Sunday night at 8PM. Check tvlisting and universalsports.com

KEWebb18
July 22nd, 2011, 10:21 PM
Thanks. It looks like you have to pay to watch all of it stream online ($9.99) on universalsports.com or you can watch what they televise on NBC or Universal Sports. I don't get that channel, so I guess I will be waiting for NBC's telecast and just watch for updates online.

selkie
July 22nd, 2011, 11:16 PM
Last time, someone posted a link to the Eurosport feed in one of the comments sections on the Swimming World web site and I ended up following that way.

I'm annoyed because I'm a Directv subscriber with a nice big HDTV, and Directv is starting to carry Universal literally the day after the 2011 meet ends.

knelson
July 23rd, 2011, 12:04 AM
Yeah, he's really been mailing it in lately. :-)

Considering the events he swims, yes, he's mailing it in. 30,000 meters is nothing.

IntlSwmr
July 23rd, 2011, 12:06 AM
NBC will only be showing the finals from Day 1, 7 & 8 (not live): http://www.universalsports.com/swimming/events/event=US0302246/viewers-guide/index.html

Or check here if you want to watch the heats & finals live:
http://speedendurance.blogspot.com/2011/07/world-swimming-championships-live-chat.html#links (http://speedendurance.blogspot.com/2011/07/world-swimming-championships-live-chat.html#links)

http://mypremium.tv/

IntlSwmr
July 23rd, 2011, 12:38 AM
Start Lists have finally been put up: http://omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/SW_Shanghai2011_by_events.htm

Luca
July 23rd, 2011, 12:47 PM
With Phelps, Lochte, Biedermann, Park Tae-Hwan and Sun Yang all in the final the 200 free is going to kick ass. It's the race I expect the most.

androvski
July 23rd, 2011, 06:10 PM
With Phelps, Lochte, Biedermann, Park Tae-Hwan and Sun Yang all in the final the 200 free is going to kick ass. It's the race I expect the most.
Yang is not swimming the 200 I believe.

selkie
July 23rd, 2011, 07:54 PM
It's my first time playing with the new version of Omega Timing's live ap, and I've got to say it's a bit improvement over the old version- so much easier to move between the live and the previous event.

selkie
July 23rd, 2011, 09:04 PM
And the Eurosport 1 feed from shadownet appears to be showing prelims live right now.

Lump
July 23rd, 2011, 09:54 PM
And the Eurosport 1 feed from shadownet appears to be showing prelims live right now.:applaud:

Thanks for the link! Just watch the men's 400 free. PVK is 2nd JUST behind Sun. PVK looked like he was cruising too. I hope he has it for the finals!

selkie
July 23rd, 2011, 10:15 PM
Park nearly botched his prelim swim there, and has to be outside smoke in the final.

Lump
July 23rd, 2011, 10:35 PM
Park nearly botched his prelim swim there, and has to be outside smoke in the final.

Close....he seems to like being on the outside though.

On a sidenote......I could have beaten at least ONE male competitor and TWO female competitors in the 400! Where do I sign up for some third world country?! :D

selkie
July 23rd, 2011, 10:52 PM
They've actually tightened up standards this time around- used to be that the no-hopers got pretty much unlimited entries, and now you've actually got to be good enough to make it to the high school state finals of one of those square states in most cases.

ande
July 23rd, 2011, 11:35 PM
The fun
Has begun
Results
http://www.omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/SW_Shanghai2011_d1.htm

vndad
July 24th, 2011, 12:47 AM
Video from China's CCTV5 showing Sun Yang in Men's 400 free preliminary heat:

http://video.sina.com.cn/p/sports/o/v/2011-07-24/112761422893.html

Charge
July 24th, 2011, 01:56 AM
When do finals start on the East Coast?

androvski
July 24th, 2011, 05:52 AM
Yang looks really strong. I wouldn't be surprised if he threatened the Biedermann's WR.

vndad
July 24th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Well, the WR was never in danger. Sun Yang swam well below his personal best. There were several lead exchanges in the middle laps. Park Tae-Hwan sped up from 250m and held on to his large lead towards the end. Sun beat Biedermann in the last 50m and grabbed the silver.

Video from CCTV5:
http://video.sina.com.cn/p/sports/o/v/2011-07-24/185461423045.html

androvski
July 24th, 2011, 08:15 AM
Well, the WR was never in danger. Sun Yang swam well below his personal best. There were several lead exchanges in the middle laps. Park Tae-Hwan sped up from 250m and held on to his large lead towards the end. Sun beat Biedermann in the last 50m and grabbed the silver.

Video from CCTV5:
http://video.sina.com.cn/p/sports/o/v/2011-07-24/185461423045.html
I was expecting Yang to go at least 3:41, since he has done it this season. Oh well, maybe in London :)

Was surprised at Kitajima losing the 100Br to Oen. And Magnussen's opening 100m for the 4x100 Free relay were blazing fast: 47.46!

Charge
July 24th, 2011, 10:43 AM
The 100 Breast was just Semis

Finals tomorrow

Luca
July 24th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Personally, I don't like the way they introduce the swimmers before the races.

And andvroski you're right, Sun Yang isn't swimming the 200 free but it's gonna be tight anyway with those other big names :D I'll enjoy the semifinals tomorrow, luckily I don't have to wake up in the middle of the night to watch the evening session.

Galmag
July 24th, 2011, 02:13 PM
My first day's swimmer of the day is definitely Geoff Huegill.
I still don't know if he deserves glory (for coming back out of pretty much nowhere) or contempt (for changing from an elite swimmer into what he was just a couple of years ago) but one thing is sure, I've never seen or heard about such amazing comeback.

I wish he wins it tomorrow.



And much like Luca, I dislike the way they introduce the swimmers, too.
I wouldn't like to be introduced like that myself if I were there, nervous and all...

mikeh
July 24th, 2011, 02:18 PM
400 meter free relay, real disappointment for the U.S. men. Third place - argh!!!

Here are the splits:

48.08 (Phelps)
48.33 (Weber-Gale)
48.15 (Lezak)
47.40 (Adrian)


Here were the splits from the prelims. Eddie Reese has already been asked why Ryan Lochte was not placed in the final.

48.49 (Weber-Gale)
48.28 (Lochte)
48.62 (Robison)
48.11 (Walters)

Peter Cruise
July 24th, 2011, 03:04 PM
Ah Federica, you have my heart!

Lump
July 24th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Close....he seems to like being on the outside though.



Called that one! :applaud:

thewookiee
July 24th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Here were the splits from the prelims. Eddie Reese has already been asked why Ryan Lochte was not placed in the final.

48.49 (Weber-Gale)
48.28 (Lochte)
48.62 (Robison)
48.11 (Walters)

He didn't earn his spot based on the morning swim. Weber-Gale's flat start is better than Lochte's relay start. Walters had a better relay swim that Lochte as well.

The relay team lost by almost 1 second. I doubt Lochte or Walters would have been able to split :46+ in the final to close the cap.

Rich Abrahams
July 24th, 2011, 05:20 PM
Missy Franklin splits a 52.9 on the women's 4 X 100 free relay with a .43 reaction time. I nominate her to anchor our women's medley relay. Natalie lead-off, Soni and Vollmer. Could they break the WR?

thewookiee
July 24th, 2011, 05:28 PM
I was watching highlights of the open water swimming from the worlds. I noticed the men get to wear suits from shoulders to ankles for open water. Why doesn't USMS allow men to wear similar suits in their open water national championship races?

gdanner
July 24th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Check out this Chinese guy in Heat 7 of the 200 free. He could be the greatest Masters swimmer ever:


Heat 7/8
Name - NOC - Date of Birth - Qualifying Time
LI Yunqi CHN 1 JAN 1901 1:47.69http://www.omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/C51A1_Start%20List%20%28Heats%20Individual%29_10_M en_200_Free.pdf

knelson
July 24th, 2011, 07:31 PM
He didn't earn his spot based on the morning swim. Weber-Gale's flat start is better than Lochte's relay start. Walters had a better relay swim that Lochte as well.

Exactly. If anyone has a gripe it's Dave Walters, but even he doesn't. I'm sure those prelim guys all knew if they didn't throw down a 47 they wouldn't be swimming finals. Hindsight is always 20/20. It's not like any of those guys that swam finals had a bad swim, it's just that they all could have been faster--other than Adrian who had a nice split.

no200fly
July 24th, 2011, 07:53 PM
[QUOTE=gdanner;248769]Check out this Chinese guy in Heat 7 of the 200 free. He could be the greatest Masters swimmer ever:

Maybe he was a gymnast when he was younger.

Charge
July 24th, 2011, 08:04 PM
It's a silly Question to ask why swimmer "X" didn't swim in the final. They lost by a second, not a tenth. Both guys that went 48's needed to go 47's to make it even close for Adrian. Either they aren't capable or they both had bad swims. GWG won't get the chance to prove he can. Lezak will. Both Lochte and Walters have been faster, but in tech suits.

It will be interesting to see how Phelps's lead off would hold up in the individual. I can't see him trading the 200 Fly for the 100 Free to be honest, but who knows.

mikeh
July 24th, 2011, 10:09 PM
He didn't earn his spot based on the morning swim. Weber-Gale's flat start is better than Lochte's relay start. Walters had a better relay swim that Lochte as well.

The relay team lost by almost 1 second. I doubt Lochte or Walters would have been able to split :46+ in the final to close the cap.

That's a good point, you're right. Phelps and Adrian are really neck and neck, with Adrian probably a touch faster. Things just don't look good for the U.S. men in the 100 or relay.

pwolf66
July 24th, 2011, 10:17 PM
Exactly. If anyone has a gripe it's Dave Walters, but even he doesn't. I'm sure those prelim guys all knew if they didn't throw down a 47 they wouldn't be swimming finals. Hindsight is always 20/20. It's not like any of those guys that swam finals had a bad swim, it's just that they all could have been faster--other than Adrian who had a nice split.


Phelps went 48.08, that's a pretty dang good swim. He went 47.51 leading off in Beijing.

So slightly more than .5 slower, with a reduced training load is pretty good.

Lump
July 24th, 2011, 10:39 PM
So slightly more than .5 slower, with a reduced training load is pretty good.

and no "suit".

knelson
July 24th, 2011, 11:44 PM
So slightly more than .5 slower, with a reduced training load is pretty good.

You're right, it is. The bottom line is at events like these you need all four guys to be "on" to pick up the gold.

Flurpo
July 25th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Yep, that was a good swim for Phelps...I didn't think he would break 48 given his work load for the year...He looked like he had good easy speed in the 200 prelim...I think he has a shot at the bronze..we will see.

androvski
July 25th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Rebecca Soni went an astonishing 1:04.91 in the 100Br semi-finals! The WR stands at 1:04.45...

EDIT: And Dale Oen just scratched the WR too! Damn! Was also shocked that Kita didn't medal.

MSwan
July 25th, 2011, 09:38 AM
Here's a video of the 4X100 men's:

http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=1a4bf355-07ec-4ebc-884b-55b267b678b5.html#2011+swimming+worlds+u+s+400m+fr ee+relay+falls+flat

Vollmer's 100 fly:
http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=8a014d2a-0c0e-4f1c-a027-20382dc3b30b.html#2011+swimming+worlds+dana+vollme r+wins+gold

tjrpatt
July 25th, 2011, 10:03 AM
The Ladies 200 IM was pretty tight in the top 3.

Damn, the Men's 200 free final is going to be a bloodbath. Can't wait to watch that race.

hrietz
July 25th, 2011, 10:19 AM
The 48.08 leadoff free leg for Phelps is his "textile best" so all in all not a bad swim for him. It will be interesting to see how that would place in the 100. He didn't look good in the 200, though and I am thinking that he will end up being out of the medals. I would not be surprised if the only individual gold that he ends up with is the 100 fly but I hope that I am wrong.

Luca
July 25th, 2011, 10:33 AM
Re-watching the semi I noticed how devastating Lochte's underwater at the last turn was, he left Biedermann one meter behind with that one, I hope he'll be left enough to repeat it in the final. Phelps looked like he was slacking around and qualified with the fifth time, his underwaters and breakouts are still more elegant by the way.

Flurpo
July 25th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Yep, agree...I think he can still take the 100 fly...Lochte and Biederman should give Phelps a nice race for the Bronze in the 200. I think Park has a good chance of taking it the same way he took the 400...Can't wait to see Clary swim the 200 back.

hofffam
July 25th, 2011, 11:40 AM
He didn't earn his spot based on the morning swim. Weber-Gale's flat start is better than Lochte's relay start. Walters had a better relay swim that Lochte as well.

The relay team lost by almost 1 second. I doubt Lochte or Walters would have been able to split :46+ in the final to close the cap.

True - but GWG swam slower in finals than in prelims. I would be a lot that Lochte would have been meaningfully faster. Probably not 1 second better.

smontanaro
July 25th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Personally, I don't like the way they introduce the swimmers before the races.

Can you elaborate for someone who's not watching the meet? Are they saying something like, "Here's that jerk from the USA who hasn't had a really good swim in two years?" Aside from that how badly can you botch the introduction? You say the swimmer's name, lane number and affiliation, right? You've got me curious...

S

Luca
July 25th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Can you elaborate for someone who's not watching the meet? Are they saying something like, "Here's that jerk from the USA who hasn't had a really good swim in two years?" Aside from that how badly can you botch the introduction? You say the swimmer's name, lane number and affiliation, right? You've got me curious...

S
Watch for yourself.

&#x202a;Mondiali Nuoto Shanghai 2011 - ORO PELLEGRINI Finale 400 SL D 24/07/2011&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

Rich Abrahams
July 25th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Watch for yourself.

&#x202a;Mondiali Nuoto Shanghai 2011 - ORO PELLEGRINI Finale 400 SL D 24/07/2011&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdG5-HsZnw)

I couldn't disagree more. These introductions are great. Much more like track events. You get to see the order of qualifying along with the qual. times Usually swimming race intro's are so haphazard and disjointed. And the poor favorites have a camera right in their face until the last moment. I also like the relay intro's. It's not just clusterf*** mayhem behind the blocks. I'd like to see USA Swimming adopt this for our Olympic Trials.

knelson
July 25th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Usually swimming race intro's are so haphazard and disjointed. And the poor favorites have a camera right in their face until the last moment.

I agree with Rich. With this format you get to see each swimmer individually and not when they're swinging their arms or pushing their goggles against their face.

smontanaro
July 25th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Ah, I see. I can see the positive and negative aspects of such a system. Seems like it would take a little getting used to if you are not used to the close-up or don't like your pre-race ritual disturbed.

lefty
July 25th, 2011, 03:56 PM
True - but GWG swam slower in finals than in prelims. I would be a lot that Lochte would have been meaningfully faster. Probably not 1 second better.

So here is the scoop:

In 2010 there were two world champ team qualifying meets: Nationals and Pan Pacs. The top two swimmers from either of those meets (based purely on time) were the ones who got top billing.

So the top 7 100 freestylers were, in order:
1 Phelps
2 Adrian
3 Lezak 48.4 (pan pacs)
4 WeberGale 48.73 (pan pcs)
5 Loche 48.8 (nationals)
6 walters 49.0 (nationals)
7 Robison 49.3 (nationals)

The bottom 4 guys swam the relay with 1 spot open for finals. They had to do it that way. It was 7 guys competing for 4 spots. There was only one relay to eliminate 3 competitors. Weber-Gale won the elimination.

Considering Lochte knew that he had to have the fastest split on the relay to be able to swim at night, I find it a bit of a stretch to predict that he would have been meaningfully faster than Lezak's 48.1.

If you guaranteed me 48.00 as the slowest split for the US in London right now I would take it. To win the relay they will need a 47 mid lead off from Phelps, a 47 low of Adrian and a 47 mid from the 3rd fastest swimmer (+ the 48.00)

Galmag
July 25th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Choosing today's swimmer of the day was just as easy as yesterday.

My second day's swimmer of the day award goes to.... Alexander Dale Oen.

Why?

Because he is the only finalist who refused to wear tech suits before they were banned (which cost him the Olympic gold medal in Beijing and the final in Rome, I believe) AND because, for me, he is the new world record holder.

His 58.71 is only .13 seconds slower than Rickard's 58.58, which makes him the third fastest ever in this discipline and the only swimmer to ever swim under 59 seconds in textile.

That Guy
July 25th, 2011, 04:51 PM
OK, next relay drama: breaststroke leg of the men's medley. Described starting at the 15:00 mark of this video, http://tv.swimmingworldmagazine.com/events/2011-fina-world-long-course-championships/recaps/11618 (http://tv.swimmingworldmagazine.com/events/2011-fina-world-long-course-championships/recaps/11618), US coaches held a 100 breast swim-off with stopwatches and Eric Shanteau won. So was this time trial's purpose to replace Alexandrov in the relay prelim? Or Gangloff in the relay final?

ande
July 25th, 2011, 05:02 PM
When does Day 3 Begin?
Omegatiming (http://omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#swimming/racearchives/shanghai2011/SW_Shanghai2011_by_events.htm)

selkie
July 25th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Monday night at about 8:00pm United States CDT

The Fortress
July 25th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Choosing today's swimmer of the day was just as easy as yesterday.

My second day's swimmer of the day award goes to.... Alexander Dale Oen.

Why?

Because he is the only finalist who refused to wear tech suits before they were banned (which cost him the Olympic gold medal in Beijing and the final in Rome, I believe)

That just makes him rather stupid, in my book. But I agree he looked great today.

hrietz
July 25th, 2011, 08:28 PM
OK, next relay drama: breaststroke leg of the men's medley. Described starting at the 15:00 mark of this video, http://tv.swimmingworldmagazine.com/events/2011-fina-world-long-course-championships/recaps/11618 (http://tv.swimmingworldmagazine.com/events/2011-fina-world-long-course-championships/recaps/11618), US coaches held a 100 breast swim-off with stopwatches and Eric Shanteau won. So was this time trial's purpose to replace Alexandrov in the relay prelim? Or Gangloff in the relay final?

Hmmm...Gangloff did not look great in that 100 breastroke Final at 1:00.6 but he did go 1:00.1 in the semis. We will have a hard time winning that relay without a breastroke leg in the :59's. There was similar talk about potentially using Lochte on the backstroke leg but Plummer seems solid and may even win a bronze in the 100 back. The women also have a dilemma with the prelims of the medley relay in that do they put Hardy in who has been 1:05 this season or go with Beard who was 1:08 mid in the 100 breast here at Worlds. I think that they have to go with Hardy. I think the finals relay will be Coughlin, Soni, Vollmer and Franklin which is looking pretty darn fast...

knelson
July 25th, 2011, 09:20 PM
That just makes him rather stupid, in my book.

Seconded.

Lump
July 25th, 2011, 09:45 PM
Phelps 11th after prelims of 200 fly. More surprising was Peng 15th! Ick!

Hope he was cruising just to get into one of the final and conserving energy for 200 Free and the 200 Fly Semi. Otherwise I'd say he should have not entered the 200 fly and his lack of training for it is showing through. Will know more once we see the Semi's.

hrietz
July 25th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Phelps 11th after prelims of 200 fly. More surprising was Peng 15th! Ick!

Hope he was cruising just to get into one of the final and conserving energy for 200 Free and the 200 Fly Semi. Otherwise I'd say he should have not entered the 200 fly and his lack of training for it is showing through. Will know more once we see the Semi's.

I think so. He didn't even look that tired and he has a really tough night tonight with the 200 free final and 200 fly semi. I think that beating Peng was important for him mentally since Peng has beaten him in this race at the last two Grand Prix.

US women could be in some trouble in the 800 free relay with Hoff and now Scroggy not swimming well and Vollmer not really training for the 200...Schmitt looked awesome, though...

Swimosaur
July 25th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Men's 800 free prelims playing now on Eurosport (http://www.shadownet.ro/channels.php).

Luca
July 26th, 2011, 06:32 AM
The men's 200fr was just amazing, Phelps swam the first 50 in 24.25, faster than his first 50 in Beijing but then slowed down. Lochte had his strategy, he just KNEW that Phelps wouldn't be watching him in the third 50 and accelerated. Phelps's third 50 was 27.20, so slow, he couldn't catch Lochte coming home.

My opinion is that Phelps could win but screwed up. Great times anyway, 1:44.44 and 1:44.79.

androvski
July 26th, 2011, 06:53 AM
Perfect tactical race by Lochte.

thewookiee
July 26th, 2011, 07:56 AM
The men's 200fr was just amazing, Phelps swam the first 50 in 24.25, faster than his first 50 in Beijing but then slowed down. Lochte had his strategy, he just KNEW that Phelps wouldn't be watching him in the third 50 and accelerated. Phelps's third 50 was 27.20, so slow, he couldn't catch Lochte coming home.

My opinion is that Phelps could win but screwed up. Great times anyway, 1:44.44 and 1:44.79.

Phelps' 3rd 50 of the 200 free had been his strength the last few years but lack of training has made it a weakness for now. If he is motivated like he has said recently, then the 3rd 50 over the next year should improve substantially between now and the trials.

pwolf66
July 26th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Phelps 11th after prelims of 200 fly. More surprising was Peng 15th! Ick!

Hope he was cruising just to get into one of the final and conserving energy for 200 Free and the 200 Fly Semi. Otherwise I'd say he should have not entered the 200 fly and his lack of training for it is showing through. Will know more once we see the Semi's.


And yet he's 3rd out of the Semis.

I don't think this dog is done fighting.

IMO, I think that coming in 3rd in the relay and getting beat by Lochte in the 200 will motivate MP if anything will.

TRYM_Swimmer
July 26th, 2011, 08:16 AM
Great swim by Soni in the 100 Beautiful Stroke.

hrietz
July 26th, 2011, 08:18 AM
Great swim by Soni in the 100 Beautiful Stroke.

And to win by 1.2 seconds in a World Championships Final is impressive!!!

knelson
July 26th, 2011, 10:26 AM
I don't think this dog is done fighting.

He's amazing. If he's really been training about 30K per week for much of the last year it's even more impressive.

Flurpo
July 26th, 2011, 12:01 PM
:applaud::applaud: What a great night for the Americans! Kate looked great in the 1500m. I'm just sick they don't swim that in the Olympics. I just loved watching Lochte win the 200m. That was an incredible finish. I still think this event is up for grabs next year. There were 5 guys within a 0.5sec of each other at the wall, insane!!! I'll bet money that Soni is gonna take the record down before trials...:banana:

knelson
July 26th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that Chinese swimmers tend to be here today and gone tomorrow? They usually have a few swimmers capable of winning gold medals at World events, but they never seem to produce any lasting legacy.

I will admit I have a hard time remembering their names and that could be part of it.

Galmag
July 26th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Seconded.

I disagree. IMO if it weren't for people like him, we would still be in the tech suit era, where the focus was drawn from the pool to the lab.

Anyway, third day was in my opinion the best day of the competition so far.
My swimmer of the day is the French backstroke duo. Some expected two French medals, some optimists even talked about gold and silver, but nobody expected two golds and though I think Laccourt is a better swimmer, it was simply fun to watch them share first place and for me, fun is what this is all about.

thewookiee
July 26th, 2011, 01:19 PM
I disagree. IMO if it weren't for people like him, we would still be in the tech suit era, where the focus was drawn from the pool to the lab.

.

Opinions are like butts.... He didn't do anything to help rid the swimming world of the tech suit area because he wasn't a star.

If you want to thank someone, thank bowman for threatening to pull Phelps from the world stage. That did more for ridding the sport of tech suits than anyone else.

selkie
July 26th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that Chinese swimmers tend to be here today and gone tomorrow? They usually have a few swimmers capable of winning gold medals at World events, but they never seem to produce any lasting legacy.

I will admit I have a hard time remembering their names and that could be part of it.

There are some that manage to stick around. Zige's been consisntently on top of the 200 fly lists since Beijing. Qi Hui was almost always near the top of the women's breaststroke lists of one course or the other from about 1998-2006. Luo Xuejuan had a good five year global run before heart issues forced her out of the sport. And I think Sun's going to be having people going "but... his turns..." until probably Rio.

But yeah, they're kind of the exception to the rule.

Luane
July 26th, 2011, 02:19 PM
usa:banana:

Luca
July 26th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Watch the final ten meters of Phelps's 200 fly semifinal and tell me if what you see doesn't get you worried.

Okay he had swum the 200 free but tomorrow a faster 100 split could hurt very bad in the last 25, which is where he has lost all those 200 fly in the Grand Prix series.

Galmag
July 26th, 2011, 04:09 PM
Opinions are like butts.... He didn't do anything to help rid the swimming world of the tech suit area because he wasn't a star.

If you want to thank someone, thank bowman for threatening to pull Phelps from the world stage. That did more for ridding the sport of tech suits than anyone else.

in that case, my arse says Olympic silver medalist IS a star, even if he's a breaststroker.

thewookiee
July 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM
in that case, my arse says Olympic silver medalist IS a star, even if he's a breaststroker.

Outside of phelps, perhaps lochte and lezak, most people wouldn't know the olympic medalists from 08.

Galmag
July 26th, 2011, 05:26 PM
Outside of phelps, perhaps lochte and lezak, most people wouldn't know the olympic medalists from 08.

Would YOU really like to leave critical decisions in the hands of those who don't even know who the Olympic gold medalists are?

pwolf66
July 26th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Watch the final ten meters of Phelps's 200 fly semifinal and tell me if what you see doesn't get you worried.

Okay he had swum the 200 free but tomorrow a faster 100 split could hurt very bad in the last 25, which is where he has lost all those 200 fly in the Grand Prix series.

He will swim well or he won't. I'm not worried, it's up to him and nothing I do nor nothing I feel with change that.

bamueller
July 26th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Were any of the open water events recorded and available to watch? Any links? Thanks.

thewookiee
July 26th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Would YOU really like to leave critical decisions in the hands of those who don't even know who the Olympic gold medalists are?

OEN DALE , outside of his country and a few devoted fans around the world, isn't one of swimming's big names. His decision not wear a tech suit at the 09 worlds was a dumb idea since he was racing for medals and money. His decision not to wear a tech suit didn't have any influence on the swimming's governing body whatsoever because he hasn't been a star for the sport world wide
I doubt a lot of the FINA bureau knows who most of the swimming medalist at worlds or the olympics are. Outside of a name like Phelps or Thorpe, people outside swimming don't know the names of minor medalist.
FINA is a political organization, who a lot members are appointed by their home countries because of someone they know.
The members of the bureau are most interested in being wined and dined by sponsors than following swimming. That's how those dumb rubber suits got into the sport in the first place, sponsors talked about how much money could be made and how much could be passed back the the FINA politicans.
People that don't know the medal winners are already making decisions for the sport.

Peter Cruise
July 26th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Actually, Wook knows whereof he speaks. It is time to 'out' him from his hillbilly identity, to reveal him as actually... Jean-Jacques-Pierre de Fromage, member of the FINA world council, IOC member-at-large and active contributor to all dumb decisions made in the international sporting community for the last decade. If he has a vote, it is not for sale, non, but a reasonable accommodation regarding leasing, well, zut alors, we can do that...

Lump
July 26th, 2011, 09:11 PM
After watching the video of the 200 Free finals I have to say a few things:


1. Hats off to Ryan, great race, and AMAZING third 50....especially off the wall at the 100.

This was a given though as far as comments.

2. Phelps showed some balls. His strategy didn't quite work, but almost. But I give him a lot of credit for taking it out so fast....likely freaking out the field a bit and trying to put them out of their comfort zone. It was different race from the Phelps we usually see and I'm sure it gave him some info on the field (and motivation) for London.

3. Its gonna be a great Olympics. Its pretty wide open in this event.....5 guys under 1:45 within .5 or so of each other.

vndad
July 27th, 2011, 01:24 AM
Complete coverage of Men's 800m free preliminary round. Plenty of excellent underwater footage - best video work I've ever seen. Sun Yang's heat (No. 7) starts @ 48min:

http://sports.cntv.cn/20110726/109705.shtml

Galmag
July 27th, 2011, 02:28 AM
Does anyone know how fast was MP's third 50?

TRYM_Swimmer
July 27th, 2011, 06:44 AM
Does anyone know how fast was MP's third 50?

1 3 PHELPS Michael USA 0.69 (1) 25.02 (1) 53.86 (2) 1:23.42 1:53.34
28.84 29.56 29.92
2 4 MATSUDA Takeshi JPN 0.74 (2) 25.25 (2) 53.99 (1) 1:23.37 1:54.01 0.67
28.74 29.38 30.64

He gutted this one out as Matsuda faded in the last 50

vndad
July 27th, 2011, 06:57 AM
1st world champion for Sun Yang in 800 free: 7'38"57

textile best?

thewookiee
July 27th, 2011, 07:38 AM
1st world champion for Sun Yang in 800 free: 7'38"57

textile best?

Yup, by .08 seconds under Grant Hackett's best 800 swim

geochuck
July 27th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Phelps forgot his trunks???

Lump
July 27th, 2011, 09:29 AM
Phelps forgot his trunks???


yup, there is a pic of him diving in the warmup pool wearing Eamon Sullivan's warmup suit with AUS on the butt! :afraid:

geochuck
July 27th, 2011, 10:03 AM
They were briefs, Yuck.

yup, there is a pic of him diving in the warmup pool wearing Eamon Sullivan's warmup suit with AUS on the butt! :afraid:

knelson
July 27th, 2011, 10:16 AM
They were briefs, Yuck.

Of course they were. That's what these guys wear except for racing. Only kids and old guys wear something other than briefs to warmup or train in. That's been my experience, anyway.

thewookiee
July 27th, 2011, 10:32 AM
Of course they were. That's what these guys wear except for racing. Only kids and old guys wear something other than briefs to warmup or train in. That's been my experience, anyway.

Bring back legskins then!

Luca
July 27th, 2011, 01:39 PM
What do you expect from Phelps and Lochte in the final of the 200 IM tomorrow?

Both have a shot at it but I have the feeling that Lochte will have the edge, he was ahead of Phelps after the butterfly today but Phelps had swum the 200 fly an hour earlier, I don't know, it will be tight.

That Guy
July 27th, 2011, 01:53 PM
What do you expect from Phelps and Lochte in the final of the 200 IM tomorrow?

Both have a shot at it but I have the feeling that Lochte will have the edge, he was ahead of Phelps after the butterfly today but Phelps had swum the 200 fly an hour earlier, I don't know, it will be tight.

I expect them both to be on the podium. Preferably in the top two spots. Lochte will probably win it.

knelson
July 27th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Lochte will probably win it.

I going with Phelps after his 200 fly win. I think it will go down to the wire, though.

Flurpo
July 27th, 2011, 02:48 PM
Lol..I'm in...I think Lochte will take it. I don't think anyone else will be within a body length of Lochte or Phelps.:banana:

ande
July 27th, 2011, 03:02 PM
2011 14th Fina World Swimming Championships (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/competition/sw/)

Shanghai, China

Sat July 24 - Sun Aug 1st

Schedule (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/schedule/index.shtml)

Results (http://www.shanghai-fina2011.com/en/results/)

OmegaTiming Results (http://omegatiming.com/index_home.htm#swimming/racearchives/shanghai2011/SW_Shanghai2011_by_events.htm)

Lot's of excitement.
No WRs so far

Lump
July 27th, 2011, 03:03 PM
I have to give Ryan the edge.

That Guy
July 27th, 2011, 03:08 PM
http://omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/C73A1_Results%20(One%20Heat%20-%20Individual)_115_Heat1_Men_200_Fly.pdf

Though he didn't make the podium, notice that Yin Chen moved from 8th to 4th with the fastest final 50 in the field. :applaud:

Couroboros
July 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM
I think Phelps will take it in a surprise victory.

The Fortress
July 27th, 2011, 04:17 PM
I'm picking Lochte. :)

Allen Stark
July 27th, 2011, 05:06 PM
Back to the 200 Free,while Lockte had a great swim and deserved to win Phelps was also amazing under the circumstances.Was Biederman just helped more by the shiny suits than anyone else or what?
Re: the MRs,I don't see the US Men winning,but the Women's relay may be amazing.

Flurpo
July 27th, 2011, 05:13 PM
wow...so true about the MR...I wonder what Lochte could do in the 100 BK right now! I've never seen him or Phleps swim 100 BR but I have a hard time believing they could beat Shantau...The French and Aussies will put up a good fight for the MR but I think the Americans will take the 800Fr Relay. :bliss:

knelson
July 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Re: the MRs,I don't see the US Men winning

Why not? The men's 100 back was very close with the U.S. men going 4-5. We'll give up a second at worst in breast. Phelps should have the fastest fly split and Adrian should be able to maintain a lead if they have one. I don't think it's a given, but I think the U.S. men have a very good chance in the medley relay.

androvski
July 27th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Did anyone watch the women's 200m Free?

&#x202a;Federica Pellegrini - Mondiali Shanghai, Oro 200 mt. stile libero&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

That was one of the worst pianos I've ever seen! Damn!

Flurpo
July 27th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Piano is right!..did you see who was in second place coming off the wall at the 150m? She deserved the gold, she swam a perfect race.

orca1946
July 27th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Ryan or phelps ??????? Who is having the best day that day ??

Luca
July 27th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Did anyone watch the women's 200m Free?
Everybody on tv was congratulating with Pellegrini but I honestly thought that her time was poor, she had swum faster last year at the European championships. Heemskerk went 1:55.54 in the semi but screwed up the final, Federica won the gold with 1:55.58. I didn't like it.

Lump
July 27th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Did anyone watch the women's 200m Free?

&#x202a;Federica Pellegrini - Mondiali Shanghai, Oro 200 mt. stile libero&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGFRFxqWhU)

That was one of the worst pianos I've ever seen! Damn!

Wow....32.2 final 50 vs. Pelligrini's 29.4. There is a reason its called 200M free, not 150. Schmidt and Lippok were nearly as bad.

selkie
July 27th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I think Pellegrini got into peoples' heads, and they were swimming in fear of her last 100 speed and not their own races.

Rich Abrahams
July 27th, 2011, 07:45 PM
Can't believe no one here has mentioned the men's 50 breast with Silva's blatant fly kick at the finish to give him the win. Jeff Commings did an awesome job highlighting the incident and calling for some form of video review. I'll be watching Universal Sports tonight to see if they bring it up. This was way more obvious than the 1 handed touch in the women's 200 fly at 2005 worlds or Kitijima's dive in dolphin in Athens.

Lump
July 27th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Can't believe no one here has mentioned the men's 50 breast with Silva's blatant fly kick at the finish to give him the win. Jeff Commings did an awesome job highlighting the incident and calling for some form of video review. I'll be watching Universal Sports tonight to see if they bring it up. This was way more obvious than the 1 handed touch in the women's 200 fly at 2005 worlds or Kitijima's dive in dolphin in Athens.


Pfft....breastroke....who cares?! :dunno: Freestyle, there is no chance to cheat, that's where its at! C'mon Rich, you know that, you're a fellow Free'er! :D

Allen Stark
July 27th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Can't believe no one here has mentioned the men's 50 breast with Silva's blatant fly kick at the finish to give him the win. Jeff Commings did an awesome job highlighting the incident and calling for some form of video review. I'll be watching Universal Sports tonight to see if they bring it up. This was way more obvious than the 1 handed touch in the women's 200 fly at 2005 worlds or Kitijima's dive in dolphin in Athens.

That was egregious.
Notice how we don't seem to have anyone medal in the stroke 50s.Maybe it's because we don't send people to worlds based on performance in 50s.

Flurpo
July 27th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Wow...just saw that...It was really really blatant..Silva STOLE one! The only way to see that is video. I don't see how the judge could have seen it...sad, really sad...

That Guy
July 27th, 2011, 11:03 PM
Did anyone watch the women's 200m Free?

&#x202a;Federica Pellegrini - Mondiali Shanghai, Oro 200 mt. stile libero&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGFRFxqWhU)

That was one of the worst pianos I've ever seen! Damn!


7 4 HEEMSKERK Femke NED 0.81 (1) 26.63 (1) 55.61 (1) 1:25.51 1:57.63 2.05

28.98 29.90 32.12


She split her 100's 6.41 seconds apart. Certainly not a good swim, but you'll see worse splitting than that in pretty much any Masters 200 heat.

hrietz
July 27th, 2011, 11:11 PM
US women looked surprisingly good in their 4 x 200 free relay heat. It looks as though Katie and Missy (who swam a PB of 1:56.98 on the lead off leg) will join Allison and Dana in the finals.

hrietz
July 27th, 2011, 11:13 PM
That was egregious.
Notice how we don't seem to have anyone medal in the stroke 50s.Maybe it's because we don't send people to worlds based on performance in 50s.

That will change in the women's 50 breast. We will get at least one and hopefully two medals.

Vollmer could maybe sneak something out in women's 50 fly as well...

knelson
July 27th, 2011, 11:28 PM
I only saw the the men's 800 on TV today. Man, Sun Yang has a beautiful stroke. So effortless. He and Cochrane were out at the 200 faster than Pellegrini won the 200 free in!

marksman
July 28th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Could this 50's issue be related to ncaa swimming and points.

Or maybe youth swimming. Not one of the swimming programs I was in as a kid had a "sprint" workout. It was all distance yardage.

vndad
July 28th, 2011, 01:31 AM
I only saw the the men's 800 on TV today. Man, Sun Yang has a beautiful stroke. So effortless. He and Cochrane were out at the 200 faster than Pellegrini won the 200 free in!

Here's men's 800 free final in its entirety from China's CCTV5:

http://sports.cntv.cn/20110727/118265.shtml

Couroboros
July 28th, 2011, 01:32 AM
In anticipation of the 200 IM, how about a little Phelps-Lochte speedboat race: http://paceclub.speedousa.com/video_gallery :)

lol @ Tyler Clary

Galmag
July 28th, 2011, 01:53 AM
1 3 PHELPS Michael USA 0.69 (1) 25.02 (1) 53.86 (2) 1:23.42 1:53.34
28.84 29.56 29.92
2 4 MATSUDA Takeshi JPN 0.74 (2) 25.25 (2) 53.99 (1) 1:23.37 1:54.01 0.67
28.74 29.38 30.64

He gutted this one out as Matsuda faded in the last 50

29.56 in br and then 29.92 in fr. I know he slowed down in the 4th 50 but it's amazing.

knelson
July 28th, 2011, 01:59 AM
29.56 in br and then 29.92 in fr. I know he slowed down in the 4th 50 but it's amazing.

These are his 200 fly splits, not IM.

Luca
July 28th, 2011, 04:44 AM
I think Lochte may have a shot at the WR today and he'll be going for it, he went 1:54.43 at Pan Pacs last year, 1:54.10 should be within range.

EDIT: and so it was, terrific swim by Lochte and new WR at 1:54.00. The last 50 was very close at the end, Phelps could win, he went below his old 2008 WR of 1:54.23 with 1:54.16. We should compare the splits.

androvski
July 28th, 2011, 07:00 AM
Was it egregious? Upon first glance, I though he must have dolphin kicked in to get to the wall first. But in the above water replay, I wasn't so sure; need to see underwater coverage. Universal Sports dubbed it a "controversial finish" early in the day, so I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier.

Europe dominates the 50s probably because they care about, train for and race the 50s. The US doesn't; none of our stars (except Soni/Hardy maybe) seem to race the 50s. And I think it's our loss. Training for the 50s would likely help our 100s. But until 50s are Olympic events, we'll apparently ignore them to focus on 100/200.
&#x202a;(27/07/11) World Championships Swimming Shanghai. 50 m. braza masc./ Men&#39;s 50 m breaststroke&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

at around the 2:27 mark.

7 4 HEEMSKERK Femke NED 0.81 (1) 26.63 (1) 55.61 (1) 1:25.51 1:57.63 2.05

28.98 29.90 32.12


She split her 100's 6.41 seconds apart. Certainly not a good swim, but you'll see worse splitting than that in pretty much any Masters 200 heat.

Sure. It's just that I don't find it odd that it happens so often in masters meets, but to see it in "elite" swimming is very weird. Especially since she was so ahead of her opponents and then got swept away by field in the first 20 meters of the last lap.

selkie
July 28th, 2011, 08:22 AM
That will change in the women's 50 breast. We will get at least one and hopefully two medals.

Vollmer could maybe sneak something out in women's 50 fly as well...

Franklin's bronze effort in the 50 back seemed to warm her up nicely for that 1:55.05 relay lead off.

hrietz
July 28th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Franklin's bronze effort in the 50 back seemed to warm her up nicely for that 1:55.05 relay lead off.

That was an incredible leg. She would have beaten Pelligrini in open 200!

gobears
July 28th, 2011, 08:39 AM
&#x202a;(27/07/11) World Championships Swimming Shanghai. 50 m. braza masc./ Men's 50 m breaststroke&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weiuZ-tzc-A)

at around the 2:27 mark.



Wow, that was egregious. Blatant dolphin kick at the end--don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

Galmag
July 28th, 2011, 09:20 AM
These are his 200 fly splits, not IM.

Oops!:afraid:

knelson
July 28th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Sure. It's just that I don't find it odd that it happens so often in masters meets, but to see it in "elite" swimming is very weird. Especially since she was so ahead of her opponents and then got swept away by field in the first 20 meters of the last lap.

Here are Rebecca Soni's 200 breast splits from Rome:
(1) 31.41 (1) 1:05.73 (1) 1:42.20 2:22.15
34.32 36.47 39.95

She had a 2.5 second lead at the 150 and ended up fourth! Her 100s were 1:05.73, 1:16.42. Rebecca Soni is usually a great 200 breast swimmer. So the moral here is it can happen to the best of them.

androvski
July 28th, 2011, 10:10 AM
Here are Rebecca Soni's 200 breast splits from Rome:
(1) 31.41 (1) 1:05.73 (1) 1:42.20 2:22.15
34.32 36.47 39.95

She had a 2.5 second lead at the 150 and ended up fourth! Her 100s were 1:05.73, 1:16.42. Rebecca Soni is usually a great 200 breast swimmer. So the moral here is it can happen to the best of them.
Yeah, I fully agree with you. I'm not saying that it is unforgivable or that it has never happened before. But it doesn't make it any less shocking, at least for me :)

Flurpo
July 28th, 2011, 12:57 PM
:banana::applaud: Wow, Lochte and Phelps just dominated the 200IM! Lochte got the WR..woohoo! Its just amazing to see them continue to absolutely dominate this event. No one else in the field even came close to their semi times. Lochte just killed Phelps on the last turn. His conditioning is really showing. He could really bust out an incredible 400IM this week. I just love seeing someone who works that hard do so well.....:bliss:

orca1946
July 28th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Lochte is on fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bolt:

Allen Stark
July 28th, 2011, 08:10 PM
:banana::applaud: Wow, Lochte and Phelps just dominated the 200IM! Lochte got the WR..woohoo! Its just amazing to see them continue to absolutely dominate this event. No one else in the field even came close to their semi times. Lochte just killed Phelps on the last turn. His conditioning is really showing. He could really bust out an incredible 400IM this week. I just love seeing someone who works that hard do so well.....:bliss:

Actually it looked to me that they both had great last turns and that the main difference was the BR leg.

Lump
July 28th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Actually it looked to me that they both had great last turns and that the main difference was the BR leg.

Backstroke that is, not the breast.

Lump
July 28th, 2011, 09:33 PM
WOW, top seed in the 50 doesn't even make the top 16.....I'll let you figure out who (it not Caesar)

TRYM_Swimmer
July 28th, 2011, 09:56 PM
50 heats were brutal!!! Five guys, including Cullen Jones, were less than .1 second from qualifying, and were within .3 of first.

Lump
July 28th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Another WOW, no Phelps/Cavic rematch in the 100 Fly.....I'll let you guess who didn't make the top 16. Tyler McGill was fastest.

That Guy
July 28th, 2011, 10:44 PM
Given his poor result in the 50, it's not surprising that Cavic missed the semis of the 100.

selkie
July 28th, 2011, 11:14 PM
A men's 100 fly semifinal containing Huegill, Froelander, Mankoc, Phelps, and Cseh makes the party sound like 1999. (okay maybe more 2001-a butterfly odyssey)

androvski
July 29th, 2011, 04:14 AM
I remember Cavic was having surgery to his lower back a few months ago, so I'm not surprised by his poor performance.

Galmag
July 29th, 2011, 05:25 AM
Since no one else did it, I'll have to mention Teresa Crippen myself (let's make her my 4th day's swimmer of the day).

Teresa is Francis Crippen's sister. Fran died this year during a 10k race but his family stayed in the world of swimming with the Fran Crippen foundation and his 3 sisters still racing, all in elite level.

Teresa made it to the semi-final of the 200, which is a great accomplishment in what I believe was an awful year for her. She's only 20 or 21 so I hope there's more to come from her.

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 11:14 AM
:banana::applaud:Lochte is definitely on fire! His walls are just insane. His second wall anchoring the 800FR was incredible. He literally gained a half body length off one wall!

Sad the 400FR couldn't bring it home. Very sad he isn't on the MR..Its think his 200 split shows that he had a strong chance of beating IRIE in the 100. I think he's a 52 low easy. Too bad he can't add this to his program. He could match Phelps individual performance from Beijing! I hope the coachs get this right for the Olympics. He will win the 400IM and match Phelps with individual golds at a worlds. Lochte will be swimmer of the year again...:bow::applaud:

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 11:18 AM
I'm a "friend" of Tyler Clary on facebook. A few weeks ago, he posted that he suited up and went a 1:54.7 for a 200 meter LC back in practice(yes... in practice)!

I'm really looking forward to watching Clary/Lochte battle it out.

:bighug:Wow, Clary is a practice swimmer like me...He beat it by a tenth and took the bronze..great swim..:bow:

knelson
July 29th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Before the meet I wouldn't have expected the women's 200 back was a world record that was in jeopardy, but after Missy Franklin's semi-final swim I think it's possible. I don't think it's likely she'll take down the record, but it's possible!

The Fortress
July 29th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Before the meet I wouldn't have expected the women's 200 back was a world record that was in jeopardy, but after Missy Franklin's semi-final swim I think it's possible. I don't think it's likely she'll take down the record, but it's possible!

She did look fantastic!

Despite her 100 fly AR, Vollmer looked pretty bad in the 100 free final and 50 fly semis, dead last at the start and never really caught up. Coughlin really faded at the end of the 100 free as well.

JimRude
July 29th, 2011, 12:44 PM
She did look fantastic!

Despite her 100 fly AR, Vollmer looked pretty bad in the 100 free final and 50 fly semis, dead last at the start and never really caught up. Coughlin really faded at the end of the 100 free as well.

The Bears are "training through" this meet, in prep for London.:D

knelson
July 29th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Despite her 100 fly AR, Vollmer looked pretty bad in the 100 free final and 50 fly semis, dead last at the start and never really caught up.

The U.S. really seems to be falling behind the rest of the world in sprinting. I'm sure part of it is the fact we poo poo the 50 stroke events. Most of our superstars tend to be "well rounded" swimmers. We just don't have the true sprint specialists. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think as a general rule this is the case in the U.S.

The Fortress
July 29th, 2011, 01:05 PM
The U.S. really seems to be falling behind the rest of the world in sprinting. I'm sure part of it is the fact we poo poo the 50 stroke events. Most of our superstars tend to be "well rounded" swimmers. We just don't have the true sprint specialists. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think as a general rule this is the case in the U.S.

Agree! The US does best in the 200s as evidenced by Phelps, Lochte, Soni, Franklin, wins in 800 free relay, etc.

The 50 seems to be a very recent addition to USA-S meets, and not frequently offered. Unless we focus more on the 50s (which would then help the 100s), we'll keep getting stomped. There just seems to be some innate bias against sprint specialists -- not "real" swimmers, etc. Foolish thinking, and the rest of the world clearly doesn't feel that way.

That Guy
July 29th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Agree! The US does best in the 200s as evidenced by Phelps, Lochte, Soni, Franklin, wins in 800 free relay, etc.

The 50 seems to be a very recent addition to USA-S meets, and not frequently offered. Unless we focus more on the 50s (which would then help the 100s), we'll keep getting stomped. There just seems to be some innate bias against sprint specialists -- not "real" swimmers, etc. Foolish thinking, and the rest of the world clearly doesn't feel that way.

Even as a slow-twitch mid-D guy who couldn't sprint if my suit was on fire, I agree 100% with this.

JimRude
July 29th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Agree! The US does best in the 200s as evidenced by Phelps, Lochte, Soni, Franklin, wins in 800 free relay, etc.

The 50 seems to be a very recent addition to USA-S meets, and not frequently offered. Unless we focus more on the 50s (which would then help the 100s), we'll keep getting stomped. There just seems to be some innate bias against sprint specialists -- not "real" swimmers, etc. Foolish thinking, and the rest of the world clearly doesn't feel that way.

You'll like this. Our club coach told my oldest son, who is 10 and likes to sprint, "50s are for old people and Europeans. Americans swim 200s and 100s".:bitching:

The Fortress
July 29th, 2011, 01:15 PM
You'll like this. Our club coach told my oldest son, who is 10 and likes to sprint, "50s are for old people and Europeans. Americans swim 200s and 100s".:bitching:

Ugh, the indoctrination starts young. The chief concern is always building an engine ...

Glad I'm "old" and can be a pure sprinter. :)

lefty
July 29th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Its think his 200 split shows that he had a strong chance of beating IRIE in the 100. I think he's a 52 low easy. Too bad he can't add this to his program.

Locthe does not have a track record of success @ 100M (back or free). BUT: I bet he figures it out by next summer!

Speedo
July 29th, 2011, 01:19 PM
You'll like this. Our club coach told my oldest son, who is 10 and likes to sprint, "50s are for old people and Europeans. Americans swim 200s and 100s".:bitching:Wow- that's impressive. He managed to brainwash your child and dis your sprint breastroke accomplishments in the same sentence.

That Guy
July 29th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Locthe does not have a track record of success @ 100M (back or free). BUT: I bet he figures it out by next summer!

He's got 11 medals at major international meets that resulted from him swimming 100 meters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Lochte

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 01:32 PM
He's got 11 medals at major international meets that resulted from him swimming 100 meters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Lochte

Lochte dominated the 100m Back for years, short course..He also dominates the 100m IM short course...He doesn't swim the 100m Back long course because it doesn't fit well in his schedule. Also, Americans are usually very deep in the 100m backstroke. Its one thing to lose out in the sprints but in this event, its definitely a bit of an embarrassment to get pushed out of medals at worlds by the French.:afraid:

hrietz
July 29th, 2011, 02:05 PM
The U.S. really seems to be falling behind the rest of the world in sprinting. I'm sure part of it is the fact we poo poo the 50 stroke events. Most of our superstars tend to be "well rounded" swimmers. We just don't have the true sprint specialists. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think as a general rule this is the case in the U.S.

And this is also why a certain 45 year old woman is going to have an excellent shot at making the Olympic team in the 50 meter freestyle...

couldbebetterfly
July 29th, 2011, 03:21 PM
Even as a slow-twitch mid-D guy who couldn't sprint if my suit was on fire, I agree 100% with this.

:laugh2:

ITA and I'd just rely on the dampening properties of water over a period of 5 mins or so to extinguish any flames.

Allen Stark
July 29th, 2011, 03:27 PM
The U.S. really seems to be falling behind the rest of the world in sprinting. I'm sure part of it is the fact we poo poo the 50 stroke events. Most of our superstars tend to be "well rounded" swimmers. We just don't have the true sprint specialists. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think as a general rule this is the case in the U.S.

We don't have 50s at the qualifying meets for International meets so we don't know how our true sprinters would do because they aren't at the meet.

Chris Stevenson
July 29th, 2011, 05:38 PM
So the theory here seems to be that, since the US doesn't have 50s in USA-S meets or use them for qualifying for national teams, they are not having much success in sprints. I don't know that this is well supported by the data.

Here are the list of Olympic medal winners for men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_swimming_(men)) and women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_swimming_(women)).

We've had the 50 free for quite some time internationally and we've done well on the men's side and okay on the women's side (not dominant but arguably no other country has done better; possibly China). Has this success in the 50 translated into success in the 100 free? It doesn't look like it to me: the US looks to have done worse in the 100 on the men's side, and roughly the same on the women's side.

Has the US done worse in the 100 strokes compared to the 100 free? No, I don't think so, and in most cases the performance has been better.

(Note: these are quick guesstimates based on eyeballing the data.)

At this year's Worlds, the US did not do well in the 100 free (men or women) but not too badly in the other 100s. On the women's side: gold in the 100 fly and breast, bronze in the 100 back (only 0.1 sec from gold). On the men's side: I wouldn't bet against Phelps in the fly and McGill is a solid bet to medal. No medal in the 100 back but still a pretty strong showing to get 4th and 5th, both within 0.3 sec of the winning time. The poorest showing is in the men's 100 breast (8th), though I think that reflects a general weakness in men's breaststroke rather than lack of sprinting: Gangloff placed better in the 50 than the 100, after all.

It may well be true that the lack of opportunities in the 50s may discourage "sprint specialists" in the vein of GHG, Jager and Dara. But honestly I think college swimming is much more focused on sprinting than distance swimming. For decades I've been hearing about how poorly the US does in distance free, rather than sprints. (And at least a few of these "sprint specialists" from other countries train in the US.)

On a personal note as a spectator: I find the 50s not much fun to watch; I vastly prefer watching 100s, 200s and 400s. (Even the breaststroke!) YMMV, of course.

pwb
July 29th, 2011, 06:32 PM
On a personal note as a spectator: I find the 50s not much fun to watch; I vastly prefer watching 100s, 200s and 400s.Three :applaud: to that! I can't wait to watch the 1500!

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 07:44 PM
And this is also why a certain 45 year old woman is going to have an excellent shot at making the Olympic team in the 50 meter freestyle...

:afraid:Yes, True and that certain old woman lost the gold in the last Olympics by a hundredth of a second....:bliss:

Chris Stevenson
July 29th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Three :applaud: to that! I can't wait to watch the 1500!

I hope they show it all but I'm not optimistic.

If TPTB do not want swimming to have more events in the Olympics, I think they should at least drop the women's 800 free and let them swim the 1500, like the men.

On a somewhat related note: I do think more USA-S meets should have 50s in them for the senior age groups, even if I wouldn't necessarily want to swim them myself. As long as the meets still have the same event limit then they probably won't last longer, and it would give swimmers more choice.

And it would mean more rest between events for us "real" swimmers. :) :bolt:

Chris Stevenson
July 29th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Just watched the 200 back final on the tube. I just can't get over Lochte's underwaters. He goes out to almost 15m on every wall of the 200. That is just phenomenal conditioning.

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 08:28 PM
:afraid:Even better...go over to USA swimming and watch his post race interview where he says he felt bad and could have gone faster...:afraid: What a monster!

pwolf66
July 29th, 2011, 08:39 PM
:afraid:Yes, True and that certain old woman lost the gold in the last Olympics by a hundredth of a second....:bliss:


How could she lose something that she didn't have?

Dara didn't LOSE anything, she failed to WIN the gold by .01, there is a HUGE difference. But she still WON silver.

Flurpo
July 29th, 2011, 08:50 PM
:badday:Sorry that was my daily attempt at Sarcasm....:doh:

That Guy
July 29th, 2011, 11:25 PM
We had a good prelim session - every one of our swimmers advanced! I was a bit surprised to see Soni in the medley relay prelim. The 1500 final looks like it will be a dogfight for silver and bronze.

vndad
July 29th, 2011, 11:30 PM
Upset? Olympic gold medalist and reigning world champion Oussama Mellouli failed to advance to the 1500m final.

KeithM
July 30th, 2011, 03:26 AM
The 1500 final looks like it will be a dogfight for silver and bronze.

I think Cochrane's got the silver secured after his brilliant 800 but the bronze is up for grabs.

alexjones
July 30th, 2011, 03:35 AM
It's my first time playing with the new version of Omega Timing's live ap, and I've got to say it's a bit improvement over the old version- so much easier to move between the live and the previous event.

Yeah man! It's cool! http://frustbin.com/imgs/signature_icon.jpg

vndad
July 30th, 2011, 08:22 AM
Video of men's 1500m preliminary heats:

http://sports.cntv.cn/20110730/104122.shtml

androvski
July 30th, 2011, 10:14 AM
Did anyone see Kyu Woong's entrance for the 200 breaststroke final? What was that about? :D

&#x202a;Shanghai 2011 Swimming Men&#39;s 200 m breaststroke final @ Gyurta Daniel - férfi 200 m mell döntő&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

at the 1:10 mark

ElaineK
July 30th, 2011, 11:46 AM
Did anyone see Kyu Woong's entrance for the 200 breaststroke final? What was that about? :D

&#x202a;Shanghai 2011 Swimming Men's 200 m breaststroke final @ Gyurta Daniel - férfi 200 m mell döntő&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hErltuiFOYM)

at the 1:10 mark

I don't know :rolleyes:, but Gyurta's kick at the end was awesome! :applaud:

swimcat
July 30th, 2011, 01:38 PM
quetion??? how did cielo get the suspension overtuned in time to swim and win the 50? on the other hand, fabiola molina get suspended for sinus medication and hers sticks?

selkie
July 30th, 2011, 04:45 PM
The thing with Cielo is that he was given the bare legal minimum punishment under current anti-doping code by Brazilian swimming- warning and invalidated results from the Maria Lenk meet. And because the letter of the rulebook was followed in his case, there was legally nothing either FINA or CAS could do other than accept the Brazilian swim federation's 'punishment'.

So as it is, Cielo now has one strike against him, and if there is another inadvertent contamination event, then he's got a year minimum/Olympic ineligibility like Waked got from FINA/CAS over the second positive, inadvertent or not.

Glenn
July 30th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Androvski,

I kind of liked what Kyu Woong did. Showed passion. Kind of like Amy Van Dyken spitting in the lane of the opponent next to her except what Kyu did had more class.

Flurpo
July 30th, 2011, 10:27 PM
:afraid:Wow, France was eliminated from the 400MR, 9th place...Their Butterfly leg fell apart! What a shocker.. They were the European champions this year and had a great chance to take down the Americans...oh the horror....:agree:

That Guy
July 30th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Another good prelim for the USA - everyone advanced and we have all three top seeds. The men's medley relay prelim was officially nuts, with EIGHT countries swimming 3:36's and only two of them advancing. France, South Africa, Italy, Russia, China, and Brazil all went 3:36 and failed to make top 8! Also in the IM's, Kirsty Coventry, Katinka Hosszu, and Laszlo Cseh didn't advance.

Flurpo
July 30th, 2011, 10:44 PM
:bliss:Lochte looked amazing. He really really loafed the free leg and still went a 4:11+. Is he going to challenge that 4:03? Clary looked really good also...I'll bet he is in the medals also. What a tough event and what a couple of monsters...:bouncing:

Flurpo
July 30th, 2011, 10:54 PM
:banana:Weber-Gales split anchoring the MR beat Adrians' anchor on the FR! That guy really knows how to peak and step up to the plate! :bliss:

Although I doubt he will get the nod for the evening event...

knelson
July 30th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Is he going to challenge that 4:03?

I think that WR will be a tall order. I predict he'll be around 4:05-4:06. He's done a lot of swimming this week.

That Guy
July 30th, 2011, 11:07 PM
That guy really knows how to peak and step up to the plate!

thanks man :chug:

KeithM
July 30th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Look out for Clary. He cruised winning his heat. He and Ryan will have been pleased to coast in the heats this time. They had to go all out in the morning at pan pacs when the 3 per country limit had them worried MP would knock them out of finals in the later heat. Tyler set a textile pb in the 200 fly by almost a full second and another best in the 200 back. I think Ryan will win but TC might be closer than people think.

Galmag
July 31st, 2011, 05:23 AM
Did anyone see Kyu Woong's entrance for the 200 breaststroke final? What was that about? :D

&#x202a;Shanghai 2011 Swimming Men's 200 m breaststroke final @ Gyurta Daniel - férfi 200 m mell döntő&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hErltuiFOYM)

at the 1:10 mark

I donno but I certainly liked it :applaud:
He reminded me of Usain Bolt in the way he made a show out of this.
Sports IS a show, so why not have fun :)

And talking about bizzare, did anyone see that girl (I think she was from Finnland) in the first heat of the women's medley relay? She swam the weirdest backstroke ever using a dolphin kick instead of a normal one.
Didn't seem like it helped, but on the other hand, she must have tried it back in training and thought she'd be faster that way, so maybe we're watching the future of backstroke right here, haha...

androvski
July 31st, 2011, 07:12 AM
And Sun just beat Hackett's WR in the 1500! :applaud:

vndad
July 31st, 2011, 07:28 AM
I didn't get to watch it live but saw this on the live blog: with 100m to go, Sun was stilling trailing the WR time 2.03 seconds. He caught the WR line less than 10m to the wall. This shows Sun has always been racing at his own pace. We can expect him to better the 1500m record a few more times when it's all said and done.

vndad
July 31st, 2011, 08:52 AM
Found a rather low resolution video of the 1500m final:

http://s.sohu.com/20110731/n315041212.shtml

Will post a higher resolution one if it becomes available.

ande
July 31st, 2011, 09:25 AM
New WR in men's 1500 14:34.14
25.94 last 50! Crazy fast

http://www.omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/C73A1_Results%20(One%20Heat%20-%20Individual)_137_Heat1_Men_1500_Free.pdf

Lump
July 31st, 2011, 10:49 AM
New WR in men's 1500 14:34.14
25.94 last 50! Crazy fast

http://www.omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2011/shanghai2011/C73A1_Results%20(One%20Heat%20-%20Individual)_137_Heat1_Men_1500_Free.pdf

Not human! Over 2 sec off going into the final 100. The last 50 looked like a 100 free!

tjrpatt
July 31st, 2011, 12:18 PM
Nice job by Beisel. I would imagine that she is stoked. She seemed to struggle in her 200 back final. She is really close to the World Record. What is the American Record?

1 4 BEISEL Elizabeth USA 0.69 4:31.78
50m ﴾5﴿ 29.62
33.70
100m ﴾5﴿ 1:03.32
34.75
150m ﴾2﴿ 1:38.07
33.89
200m ﴾2﴿ 2:11.96
38.51
250m ﴾1﴿ 2:50.47
39.33
300m ﴾1﴿ 3:29.80
31.20
350m ﴾1﴿ 4:01.00
30.78

selkie
July 31st, 2011, 01:14 PM
American record is 4:31.12 by Hoff in 2008.

Lump
July 31st, 2011, 01:28 PM
On NBC now if you are in the EST.

jaadams1
July 31st, 2011, 01:50 PM
On NBC now if you are in the EST.

On NBC now if you're in the PST as well! :)

jaadams1
July 31st, 2011, 02:07 PM
Sun Yang was amazing on his last 100-150 of the 1500. Getting to watch it on NBC was cool. His last 100 looked like a 100 Free event, not the last 100 of a 1500. :applaud: :bow:

swimsuit addict
July 31st, 2011, 02:32 PM
It looked like Sun Yang did a couple of strokes with 1-stroke breathing off each turn, even on that fast last 50. Any other swimmers do that?

That Guy
July 31st, 2011, 02:48 PM
It looked like Sun Yang did a couple of strokes with 1-stroke breathing off each turn, even on that fast last 50. Any other swimmers do that?

I often do that going into the turn in distance free events, or in distance free sets. I take lots of SDK's so I want some air!

knelson
July 31st, 2011, 02:52 PM
Sun Yang was taking 27 strokes per length and holding :58s. That pretty amazing. I did a warmup set a couple days ago where I was focusing on distance per stroke and taking 32. I think this guy could take another ten seconds off the world record over the next couple years. He's that good.

Has anyone ever seen anyone look faster in the water than Nathan Adrian did at the start of his relay leg? It didn't even look like he was in the water. Yeah, he paid the price, but man that first 50 was unbelievable!

edit: just looked at the results and his 50 split was a 21.78!

jaadams1
July 31st, 2011, 03:33 PM
It looked like Sun Yang did a couple of strokes with 1-stroke breathing off each turn, even on that fast last 50. Any other swimmers do that?

I do it going into turns as well (not coming out), but it's more of a lazy habit. When I did my fast 1650 last February, I actually made a point of NOT doing it, and it made me much faster. I did catch myself doing it a few times :frustrated: Old habits are hard to break.

I've been working on swimming with breathing to the opposite side now as well, and it feels really strange. I have sort of a galloping stroke, and I have to reverse it to breathe to the opposite side.

I think that in my next 1650 attempt, I will try something different, and breathe straight ahead, with both arms recovering at the same time, and possibly use a dolphin kick!! I will dedicate this one to Peony, who does a 1650 like this every practice.

Lump
July 31st, 2011, 03:35 PM
I do it going into turns as well (not coming out), but it's more of a lazy habit. When I did my fast 1650 last February, I actually made a point of NOT doing it, and it made me much faster. I did catch myself doing it a few times :frustrated: Old habits are hard to break.
I've been working on swimming with breathing to the opposite side now as well, and it feels really strange. I have sort of a galloping stroke, and I have to reverse it to breathe to the opposite side.

I will do it too on occasion in the longer free events. The key is doing it efficiently. Obviously it didn't slow Sun down!

gdanner
July 31st, 2011, 03:55 PM
I don't think the US is behind the rest of the world in sprinting, we just don't send the best swimmers or cover all the slots. The men's 50 fly they only put in Cullen Jones and the 50 breast they only put in Gangloff. Why aren't they using both slots? We have guys that could be competitive. Maybe if USA-S doesn't think they have a chance of making finals, they don't want to spend the money to send them to China. I don't get it.

That Guy
July 31st, 2011, 04:39 PM
To help put Sun's last 100 into perspective:



Hackett was watching back home in Australia and knew that Sun could pull off a faster finish than he could. Not sure if the 1960 100m free champion John Devitt was watching too Down Under but if he was he might have marvelled at time passing: he held the 100m world record at 54.6 in 1957 before American Stephen Clark took it on in 54.4 in 1961. Sun's last two of 30 laps - 54.22, only 0.7sec or so shy of the time in which the women's 100m crown was won here in Shanghai.


:bow:

Source: http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/8843 (http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/8843)

knelson
July 31st, 2011, 04:57 PM
Think of how much faster he could go if he kicked the entire time. He was hardly kicking at all for most of the race. If he starts kicking and knocks off the cheater breathing he could get down to the 14:15 range. That sounds crazy, but it means holding 57s. I think it's possible.

mikeh
July 31st, 2011, 06:40 PM
Androvski,

I kind of liked what Kyu Woong did. Showed passion. Kind of like Amy Van Dyken spitting in the lane of the opponent next to her except what Kyu did had more class.

I think what Wong did was great. Shows a little passion. I thought Gary Hall's performances were great too. Only in swimming would that be controversial. Consider what goes on in basketball or football, and it puts Hall or Wong in perspective.

orca1946
August 1st, 2011, 12:03 AM
As a former distance swimmer ,you cannot use the legs that hard in a distance race or you will use all those big muscle groups & lose the arms.I have tried & so have many others, it does not work!:cane:

knelson
August 1st, 2011, 02:09 AM
As a former distance swimmer ,you cannot use the legs that hard in a distance race

Some guys have, though. Larsen Jensen kicked hard the entire time. Hackett kicked pretty hard. Maybe not a six-beat, but more than a two-beat like Yang used for most of the race.

Lump
August 1st, 2011, 08:32 AM
Think of how much faster he could go if he kicked the entire time. He was hardly kicking at all for most of the race. If he starts kicking and knocks off the cheater breathing he could get down to the 14:15 range. That sounds crazy, but it means holding 57s. I think it's possible.

That is a BIT overzealous. It took 10 years to get to Hackett's record. I don't see anyone going 20 seconds FASTER. Being a former miler myself, I would think 14:30 is within range possibly. Sun's stroke is SO efficient I doubt the "cheater breathing" has any effect. You need air, lots of it, in a mile and it wasn't slowing him down.

gull
August 1st, 2011, 08:50 AM
Larsen Jensen's coach, Bill Rose, decided that he would need a six beat kick to compete with Hackett, so that became a focus of his training, and he was able to maintain it throughout the 1500.

knelson
August 1st, 2011, 09:53 AM
doubt the "cheater breathing" has any effect. You need air, lots of it, in a mile and it wasn't slowing him down.

How do you know it wasn't slowing him down, though? The fact he went so fast doesn't mean he couldn't have gone faster. I agree 14:15 is a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's impossible for him.

vndad
August 1st, 2011, 10:46 AM
Grant Hackett reportedly felt almost annoyed that his 1500m record was only lowered by a whisker, LOL, but I think he may have a legitimate gripe. When you look at the splits of the last 100m of all 3 the individual finals (400m, 800m, and 1500m) Sun swam, the one in the 1500m is the fastest thanks to that crazy last 50m.

Perhaps Hackett can only blame his former mentor Denis Cotterell, who is said to have a fine sense of occasion. He advised Sun to hold his fire at the Chinese trials in April. Now that Sun has made the history in the FINA worlds, Cotterell may well be planning the next moves for Sun in London's Olympics, an even bigger stage.

gdanner
August 1st, 2011, 10:56 AM
I double breath into walls pretty regularly for distance free events. I take 3 SDK's off all walls and I need the air. I am surprised someone of his caliber does it though.

Galmag
August 1st, 2011, 10:58 AM
I double breath into walls pretty regularly for distance free events. I take 3 SDK's off all walls and I need the air. I am surprised someone of his caliber does it though.

Maybe he swallowed water or something... did he do it on every wall or just once? (I only caught him once)

vndad
August 1st, 2011, 11:02 AM
Maybe he swallowed water or something... did he do it on every wall or just once? (I only caught him once)

Pretty much every wall.

Lump
August 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM
How do you know it wasn't slowing him down, though? The fact he went so fast doesn't mean he couldn't have gone faster.

I don't, but either do you. At the level these guys swim at..with the coaching, the stroke analysis, lactate testing, etc, etc.....I just don't think he'd be doing it if they thought it would slow him down. I mean, hell, it WAS the fastest time in history, I don't think he'd even care if it did.

On a sidenote, he needs a cosmetic dentist on staff.:afraid:

knelson
August 1st, 2011, 12:48 PM
On a sidenote, he needs a cosmetic dentist on staff.:afraid:

I'll agree with you on that! Maybe the Chinese offered to fix his teeth if he broke the world record.

aquageek
August 1st, 2011, 01:03 PM
How do you know it wasn't slowing him down, though? The fact he went so fast doesn't mean he couldn't have gone faster. I agree 14:15 is a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's impossible for him.

It is hard to fault a WR swim but that 1500 had me confused almost the entire race (or as much as NBC showed). Maybe the new strategy for that race is to hold a solid pace for 1425 and then let it totally rip.

And, those teeth, good grief.

thewookiee
August 1st, 2011, 01:05 PM
And, those teeth, good grief.

He could have been from North Carolina with those teeth.

kmoehumphreys
August 1st, 2011, 01:12 PM
It looked to me like he breathed every stroke at times in the middle of the laps too. Gary Hall Sr. Has been advocating this style for a while. I think if you are efficient with pull and body position (like he is) the extra air wins out in a cost benefit analysis. As for his kick, he looks to have fairly inflexible ankles so he probably can't do a relaxed and efficient 6 beat kick like Larson or the Aussies.