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ande
June 23rd, 2011, 09:23 AM
New Suits Mean No More Records in Swimming
By ANDREW DAMPF AP Sports Writer
Yesterday, 3:01 AM
Excerpt:

As world championships approach, swimming's world record drought reaches 18 months
Swimming's world-record drought has reached 18 months, and as next month's world championships in Shanghai draw nearer the sport's close-knit community is starting to wonder when it will be broken.

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Besides the suits, another noticeable change on the pool deck these days is swimmer's physiques, especially among the men, since overall mass seemed to improve performance in the more floatable rubberized suits.

"They've all suddenly gotten smaller and slimmed down," observed Coventry, who took a year off after the 2009 worlds.

From http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=13900301&sid=78

knelson
June 23rd, 2011, 10:38 AM
"Then there is a comparison and something to celebrate, because I think it's important in sport that there's something to celebrate," Verhaeren said.

Gee, winning seems like something to celebrate to me.

Hard to believe this is still a story...

swimshark
June 23rd, 2011, 10:40 AM
Hard to believe this is still a story...

I agree. Time to :bed:

Jazz Hands
June 23rd, 2011, 11:11 AM
Serbian butterfly specialist Milorad Cavic, the closest challenger to Michael Phelps' record eight gold medals at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Sure. Close enough.

fmracing
June 23rd, 2011, 12:13 PM
Gee, winning seems like something to celebrate to me.

Agreed. When did it turn into some entitlement that people deserve to better a record every year? That whole article seems kinda crybaby-esque to me.

"Wahhhh, i'm still the best in the world but I'm mentally put out that records will be harder to break now."

Geez. Call the wahmbulance? :cry::rolleyes:

Chris Stevenson
June 23rd, 2011, 02:00 PM
A few ppl knocking on the door last summer, I think there will be at least one this year. Predictions?

Jazz Hands
June 23rd, 2011, 02:04 PM
A few ppl knocking on the door last summer, I think there will be at least one this year. Predictions?

Sun Yang in the 1500, the only pre-2008 men's record.

ande
June 23rd, 2011, 03:13 PM
A few ppl knocking on the door last summer, I think there will be at least one this year. Predictions?

how about Lochte 200 IM & maybe 400 IM too, he broke the SCM WRs in a jammer.

maybe Phelps 200 FL?

That Guy
June 23rd, 2011, 03:23 PM
Sun Yang in the 1500

A big +1 to that. He's also got a good chance in the 800 and 400. He's top-ranked in the world in the 200 but I don't think he'll threaten the record there.

Some others to watch are Rebecca Soni and Camille LaCourt.

pwb
June 23rd, 2011, 04:05 PM
Sun Yang in the 1500, the only pre-2008 men's record.Yes on this, but I'd also watch out for Park Tae-Hwan. He looked very good from the 100 on up at Santa Clara. With his speed and his record of endurance, I think he'll be a threat to Sun Yang in the 400.

On a not-so-related note, why hasn't this guy been fired yet:

"USA Swimming wants to see the rules currently in place for suits remain in place," USA Swimming executive director Chuck Wielgus
His handling of the whole athlete abuse scandal was horrendous, but maybe a stone-age mindset also explains his stone-age approach to technology.

knelson
June 23rd, 2011, 04:23 PM
Park Tae-Hwan...I think he'll be a threat to Sun Yang in the 400.

Yeah, this could be a great race! Park made it look pretty easy in Santa Clara.

Lump
June 23rd, 2011, 05:01 PM
Yeah, this could be a great race! Park made it look pretty easy in Santa Clara.

and let's not just leave out the WR HOLDER Biedermann!

Couroboros
June 23rd, 2011, 05:29 PM
I think there will be a lot more WRs than expected. There aren't any suits anymore, sure, but it's a Worlds! And a pre-Olympic one, too.

Jazz Hands
June 23rd, 2011, 05:38 PM
On a not-so-related note, why hasn't this guy been fired yet:

"USA Swimming wants to see the rules currently in place for suits remain in place," USA Swimming executive director Chuck Wielgus
His handling of the whole athlete abuse scandal was horrendous, but maybe a stone-age mindset also explains his stone-age approach to technology.

I hate everything about USA Swimming. Fire everyone.

Dolphin 2
June 23rd, 2011, 05:41 PM
Looking at this issue on the bright side: The sport is slowly, but surely Tivoing back to the good old days!!! :applaud:

CD

Jazz Hands
June 23rd, 2011, 05:45 PM
Looking at this issue on the bright side: The sport is slowly, but surely Tivoing back to the good old days!!! :applaud:

CD

I also hate you.

Lump
June 23rd, 2011, 05:50 PM
I hate everything about USA Swimming. Fire everyone.

Like anything political its more about the politicians and power than the needs of the people they represent.

orca1946
June 23rd, 2011, 06:39 PM
Will they have better drug testing for those that want records at ANY cost ??

arthur
June 23rd, 2011, 09:10 PM
Yes on this, but I'd also watch out for Park Tae-Hwan. He looked very good from the 100 on up at Santa Clara. With his speed and his record of endurance, I think he'll be a threat to Sun Yang in the 400.

Park Tae-Hwan was very impressive at Santa Clara. His stroke is extremely smooth. Even in his 100m free when he was pulling away from everyone he was hardly splashing at all:
YouTube - ‪2011 Santa Clara International Grand Prix Men's 100m Freestyle A Final‬‏

jim thornton
June 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM
Park Tae-Hwan was very impressive at Santa Clara. His stroke is extremely smooth. Even in his 100m free when he was pulling away from everyone he was hardly splashing at all:
YouTube - ‪2011 Santa Clara International Grand Prix Men's 100m Freestyle A Final‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp99Q39CTUA)


Excellent observation. It was amazing--virtually no splash whatsoever. He also made up a lot of ground off the turn. And his kick--again, no splash--seemed to stir up the kind of wake you might see with an outboard motor.

vndad
June 24th, 2011, 11:14 AM
Sun Yang missed Grant Hackett's 1500m record by 8 seconds in China's national swim earlier this year (recall that he was within a second of the record in 2010 Asian Games last November). According to this Australian report, Denis Cotterell, Sun's new coach and Hackett's former coach, said that they (referring to both Sun and Cotterell) had decided to "save it for Shanghai":

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/leiston-pickett-gaps-leisel-jones-to-win-50m-breastroke-title/story-e6frg7mf-1226036246012

swimshark
June 24th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Park Tae-Hwan was very impressive at Santa Clara. His stroke is extremely smooth. Even in his 100m free when he was pulling away from everyone he was hardly splashing at all:
YouTube - ‪2011 Santa Clara International Grand Prix Men's 100m Freestyle A Final‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp99Q39CTUA)

It was nice watching him just keep on going.

aswimfan
June 26th, 2011, 10:44 PM
how about Lochte 200 IM & maybe 400 IM too, he broke the SCM WRs in a jammer.

maybe Phelps 200 FL?

200IM may get broken, but I doubt it as Lochte does not seem to be in great shape.

There's no way Lochte gets close to 4:03 in 400 IM, and Phelps is not in any shape to swim 1:51 in 200 fly.

aswimfan
June 26th, 2011, 10:50 PM
A big +1 to that. He's also got a good chance in the 800 and 400. He's top-ranked in the world in the 200 but I don't think he'll threaten the record there.

Some others to watch are Rebecca Soni and Camille LaCourt.

Have people forgotten the WR in the 800?
There's no way Sun Yang gets close to the 800 WR which stands at 7:32. He might swim under Hackett's textile best of 7:38 though.

Rebecca Soni has a great chance of breaking Pierse's 200 WR as it is the softest suit WR (not much change from Jones' old textile best).

Lacourt may break the 50 and 100 back WRs

aswimfan
June 26th, 2011, 10:58 PM
and let's not just leave out the WR HOLDER Biedermann!

Is this a sarcasm?

What is Biedermann's 400 textile PB? 3:45? 3:46?

aswimfan
June 26th, 2011, 11:04 PM
It will be fitting if park tae hwan takes the 400 WR and sun yang the 1,500 WR.

Both are coached by australian coaches: park by Michael Bohl, and sun by Dennis Cotterel.

knelson
June 27th, 2011, 10:51 AM
200IM may get broken, but I doubt it as Lochte does not seem to be in great shape.

I think you're wrong. He just hasn't rested at all for a long course meet. You're going to see a completely different swimmer in Shanghai than you've seen so far this summer.

thewookiee
June 27th, 2011, 11:34 AM
200IM may get broken, but I doubt it as Lochte does not seem to be in great shape.

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Anyone that has actually followed Lochte career, would know that inseason meets, like Santa Clara, Indy or Charlotte, he does not swim very well.

His coach, Greg Troy, keeps him in heavy training for weeks(even months at somepoint) Lochte is one of the best taper swims out there. Look at any of his results from the previous spring/summers. There is a pattern there.

Jazz Hands
June 27th, 2011, 12:50 PM
Anyone that has actually followed Lochte career, would know that inseason meets, like Santa Clara, Indy or Charlotte, he does not swim very well.

He always wears square-cut briefs, too. Quite draggy. Based on that I would guess he doesn't shave, either.