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magick17
July 14th, 2011, 05:15 AM
I'm a board member for our swim club.
Last nite there was mention of a complaint from a senior high school swimmer who was uncomfortable with using a locker room with the adult master swimmers. We practice at the same time a few days out of the week.
This became an bigger issue last nite because we have a desire to run USA swimming at the same time as a few masters sessions in the evening and our coach voiced concern about everyone using the locker room at the same time and kids being uncomfortable.
Does your club run practices at the same time?
Have you run into issues like this?
How did you handle/manage locker room time?

swimshark
July 14th, 2011, 07:29 AM
I practice with an age group team and change in the locker room with the girls every practice. There haven't been any issues. The girls are very modest and will stay covered up a lot. Ours is a large pool, though and there will be naked older women who walk around. We just ignore them.

pwb
July 14th, 2011, 08:40 AM
Our Masters workouts in the morning (particularly in the summer) overlap with the USAS team. I swim with the Masters and sit on the Board of Directors of the club team (last 4-5 years). This issue has never come up.

IMHO, this seems odd since kids and adults would experience changing together at virtually any pool, YMCA, health club, etc.

Bobinator
July 14th, 2011, 08:59 AM
I agree this goes on anywhere you swim.
Perhaps they could string up some curtains to separate the the sides of the locker room.
I figure if everyone uses their towel as best they can it's not that big of a deal. What exactly are the kids afraid the master's are going to do?
It sounds to me like someone on the board is making a big deal out of nothing!

qbrain
July 14th, 2011, 09:10 AM
Last nite there was mention of a complaint from a senior high school swimmer who was uncomfortable with using a locker room with the adult master swimmers.

This kid is almost an adult himself. What is he going to do next year when he technically is an adult? Time to grow up.

Chris Stevenson
July 14th, 2011, 09:32 AM
Changing times overlap at our pool, and our locker-rooms are very small. There has never been a problem; this is a team with 800+ members (maybe 30-40 masters swimmers).

It is a little bit of an odd situation because there is no age limit on USAS-S registration, so the distinction with "masters" is a little blurred. I am a member of USAS-S and so are swimshark and Patrick, and we are all in our 40s. Some of us train with age-groupers at times, too. Lisa Bennett is a member at 55 and regularly swims in "kids" meets.

knelson
July 14th, 2011, 10:07 AM
The kids definitely do things differently. Most (masters) swimmers I know remove their suit while showering to rinse it out. The kids never do this. They just don't walk around the locker room naked like masters swimmers seem to have little problem with.

I do remember when I was in high school and we used to do morning workouts in the summer at Michigan State University we always commented about the "creepy old guys" in the locker room walking around naked. Thinking back these creepy old guys were just behaving exactly as I tend to now!

The bottom line is it's a locker room. Deal with it. I can imagine the kids laughing at us about our lack of modesty, but it's sort of funny to think someone would actually complain about it. Buck up kid!

aquageek
July 14th, 2011, 10:18 AM
We have an overlap as well with the one billion USAS swimmers at our club. The kids will go through unnatural gyrations to change without exposing themselves. While us old geezers are much less modest I will admit I try to be aware of when there are a ton of kids in the locker room and maybe be more discreet than normal. I kind of look at it as kids come first at our club and I don't need to incur any unneeded hassle, although there is a really good relationship between the kids and USMS swimmers.

__steve__
July 14th, 2011, 10:35 AM
.Always a controversial topic

That Guy
July 14th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Some idiot was doing naked deep knee bends in the locker room this morning. He was probably creepy and old, but I was doing my best not to look. :afraid:

scyfreestyler
July 14th, 2011, 01:28 PM
What an odd complaint, especially having come from a high school kid.

We run our kids practices at the same time as aqua aerobics and some adult swim lessons. I've never heard any complaints before, but even if I did I'm not sure that it would warrant any scheduling changes.

gdanner
July 14th, 2011, 02:15 PM
I train with age groupers and there are a couple instances where other masters swimmers train with us as well. As far as I know, there have never been any complaints. Then again, I don't walk around naked...


The kids definitely do things differently. Most (masters) swimmers I know remove their suit while showering to rinse it out. The kids never do this. They just don't walk around the locker room naked like masters swimmers seem to have little problem with.


This is the prevailing theme of changing every place I have been. I am part of the next generation that stays covered up and prefers others do as well. My deck changing technique is how I change in a locker room. I don't really care if people want to walk around naked, but I do think it's a little bit weird. In this day and age, swimsuits last a long time and washing them out doesn't do anything anyways. And can't everyone wash those hard to get places another time? :afraid:

To me, it makes no difference if a guy exposes himself on the street or in a locker room...I don't care to see it either way.

I agree that the kid should just man up.

ande
July 14th, 2011, 02:16 PM
I'm a board member for our swim club. Last nite there was mention of a complaint from a senior high school swimmer who was uncomfortable with using a locker room with the adult master swimmers. We practice at the same time a few days out of the week. This became an bigger issue last nite because we have a desire to run USA swimming at the same time as a few masters sessions in the evening and our coach voiced concern about everyone using the locker room at the same time and kids being uncomfortable.

Does your club run practices at the same time?
Have you run into issues like this?
How did you handle/manage locker room time?



Does your club run practices at the same time?
sometimes

Have you run into issues like this?
not that I know of

How did you handle/manage locker room time?

WARNING: there are naked people in locker rooms

most older swimmers walk around in the buff care free while
most younger swimmers and some masters (who might have had prudish moms or modesty issues, just a theory)
wrap a towel around their waist when they put on their suits or take them off


Inappropriate Locker room Behavior's are:

1) Touching, (others or self)

2) Shooting pictures or video, (don't take out your cell phones)

3) Standing too close,

4) Staring, and

5) inappropriate conversation (direct or indirect)


The masters tend to talk with their friends and ignore age group swimmers and vice versa.

If kids are really modest they can change in a stall.

Plus we can all choose to look the other way.

5out6aintbad
July 14th, 2011, 02:22 PM
Some over the pond here! We swim with the age groupers and masters tend to derobe to shower, whereas the youngsters won't.

Of our masters swimmers most are parents, two are coaches and I'm the male welfare officer and a parent. My son despairs a bit, but as we used to say when I played rugby 'seen one, you've seen them all'.

I understand that youngsters are more self conscious, which is why we have cubicles for them if they want to use them.

want2beafish
July 14th, 2011, 02:54 PM
I haven't heard of any formal issues at our pool as the masters and the age group team times overlap, but I do know that my teenaged son and his teammates joke about the "naked old men" (the 40 & 50 somethings! :afraid:) in the locker room. I think it's more an amused reaction than it is anything else.

It's a locker room... come on. As long as there's nothing inappropriate going on, people need to lighten up. That being said, I do deck change in the locker room and I am still in my 40s -- which I hesitate to consider old. :) Mostly because our masters group swims at noon, which is the same time as many of the preschool lessons. There is a sign up that says that children 5 and over should use the locker rooms of their gender (which isn't always followed), but I don't feel comfortable changing in front of even 3-4 year old little boys. Mostly because you never know how their mothers will react, as on occasion they have complained about less.

knelson
July 14th, 2011, 03:30 PM
but I don't feel comfortable changing in front of even 3-4 year old little boys. Mostly because you never know how their mothers will react, as on occasion they have complained about less.

That would be great. They take their child into the opposite sex dressing room and then complain about someone being naked in there.

Men bring their young daughters into the changing room all the time at my pool and I've got no qualms about taking my suit off. I don't feel I should need to alter my behavior because they are in there. If it's a big concern for the parent they should get the kid into their swimsuit at home and drive them home wet afterward.

Jazz Hands
July 14th, 2011, 04:06 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/minor_differences2

See the last panel.

bamueller
July 14th, 2011, 04:11 PM
The kid complaining would hate my YMCA. We have a guy who does naked sit-ups on the locker room floor. Talk about a freak show. If you are doing naked sit-ups, you better be in your home.

I agree with the others. Tell that kid to put his purse away and quit complaining.

Bobinator
July 14th, 2011, 07:46 PM
This is an interesting topic, I like to hear how everyone feels about this subject.
If I'm in a locker room or bay alone I do little to nothing to protect my modesty (or lack there-of). If there are teen-agers or kids younger I try to cover as much as possible with my towel. I don't go to extreme lengths but I cover as much as I reasonably can without being a contortionist. I have never felt like the teens pay any attention at all. I will say that children 5 and younger tend to stand and stare in locker rooms. I teach at a kindergarten-5th grade elementary school and I would feel very awkward if a kindergartner got a glimpse of me in the buff. :angel:

Midas
July 14th, 2011, 08:48 PM
In high school I swam for the YMCA team. Our YMCA had a huge pool (10-12 lanes) and there was both master swimming and "open" swimming going on at the same time as our practices. Everyone from very senior adults to very young children were in the locker room at the same time. I don't think any of us really minded, though the adults would typically take nekked showers, which was something us kids never did--we wore our swimsuits for post-workout showers (if we took them at all--hey! we were kids!).

All was good until my senior year when it was discovered that some seriously perverted dude was secretly videotaping the boys in the locker room while they changed. Many kids on my team (including me) were "victims" of this. I don't think I ever noticed the guy and I don't think anybody else did either. But the guy was caught and our coach had to go in and identify the kids on the tape and we all got a call from the police. As it turns out I was 18 at the time (being a senior and all) and apparently it wasn't illegal back then to film adults in locker rooms so I was not one of the official victims in the trial (which was good--I got notified and then never heard anything else about it).

So yeah, there are perverts out there and now that I have my own children I can't say I'm the biggest fan of the "man up" solution. But I'm also not a fan of separate lockers (too expensive) or separate swim times (too inconvenient) so "man up" seems like the only solution. That plus teaching my kids to be on the alert for perverts and to report them to parents or coaches...

gigi
July 14th, 2011, 08:49 PM
This is an interesting topic, I like to hear how everyone feels about this subject.
If I'm in a locker room or bay alone I do little to nothing to protect my modesty (or lack there-of). If there are teen-agers or kids younger I try to cover as much as possible with my towel. I don't go to extreme lengths but I cover as much as I reasonably can without being a contortionist. I have never felt like the teens pay any attention at all. I will say that children 5 and younger tend to stand and stare in locker rooms. I teach at a kindergarten-5th grade elementary school and I would feel very awkward if a kindergartner got a glimpse of me in the buff. :angel:


When I was a kid on age-group teams (late 60's - mid=70's) we were pretty uninhibited in the locker-room so I;m always surprised to see how overly modest today's kids are...it cracks me up. That said, since I work and work-out in the town where I live, I don't go out of my way to cover up when I'm changing at the Y, but I do stay on the alert since I really, really, really don't want to come face to face with a student (I teach high school) when I'm in the buff.

The Y has an "18 and over only" policy in the Women's locker room, so it would only be seniors I'd run into, but still....turning 18 isn't all scratch tickets and cigarettes - sometimes you see your English teacher in your locker room...ewwwwww!

__steve__
July 14th, 2011, 09:07 PM
This is the reason why I always wear my suit 24/7. No need to become naked, the suits already on.

I do however remove it (very breifly) to replace with a fresh brief.

knelson
July 14th, 2011, 11:51 PM
So yeah, there are perverts out there and now that I have my own children I can't say I'm the biggest fan of the "man up" solution.

Yes, but this is a completely different matter--100% different than some prudish high schooler who's scarred from seeing a naked adult in a locker room.


I;m always surprised to see how overly modest today's kids are...it cracks me up

Kinda strange, isn't it? On the one hand you've got sexting, the availability of porn on the internet, etc., but on the other hand there's these kids who wrap a towel around themselves when changing in a locker room. Doesn't make sense to me.

Dolphin 2
July 15th, 2011, 01:31 AM
For some reason, there seems to be an increasing and irrational trend toward “Gymnophobia” (fear of nudity) and Speedophobia (men's fear of wearing swimmer’s briefs or short running shorts).

If he’s the kind of person who's extremely uncomfortable with wearing abbreviated clothing, full or partial nudity in pools, locker rooms, and showers, he should not be engaging in high school (or adult) athletics –especially swimming which is a very "Gym" activity.

When people bring up the subject of what's acceptable for the minimal amount of body coverage (and nudity) in an athletic environment, my comment is the old saying “It goes with the territory” and "If you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen". :bump:

D2

pwb
July 15th, 2011, 01:35 AM
For some reason, there seems to be an increasing and irrational trend toward “Gymnophobia” (fear of nudity) and Speedophobia (men's fear of wearing swimmer’s briefs or short running shorts).

If he’s that uncomfortable with full or partial nudity in gyms, pools, locker rooms and showers, he should not be engaging in high school (or adult) athletics –especially swimming.

When people bring up the acceptance of nudity in an athletic environment, there’s that old saying “It goes with the territory” and "If you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen". :bump:

D2The very first full posting from Dolphin2 that I 100% agree with.

swimshark
July 15th, 2011, 07:22 AM
In our locker room there are 5 bays of lockers with a bench down the middle of each bay. The gym has reserved the last bay as "adults only". I don't think it's due to modesty but because one HS team tends to leave their swim bags on the floors of all the bays so this gave 1 bay bag-free. Other than that, there haven't been any issues.

Oh we did have a teen age couple go in to the family changing room together and got caught on camera (which is outside the room). We were then told none of us were allowed in the family changing rooms. Sorry, I'm an adult, I'm going in there at 4am when no one else is around.

seahare
July 15th, 2011, 01:17 PM
I am forty-four and it is not really about modesty. It's a gym, not a nudist colony. I don't want to see your hairy, flabby, naked body strutting around and certainly not doing naked calisthenics in the locker area. Do your thing, get dressed and move on.

Also, now days with most phones having photo and even movie capability, you probably do not want yourself doing naked zumba in the locker room posted on the Internet.

tlshaheen
July 15th, 2011, 01:45 PM
It's a gym, not a nudist colony. I don't want to see your hairy, flabby, naked body strutting around and certainly not doing naked calisthenics in the locker area. Do your thing, get dressed and move on.

Also, now days with most phones having photo and even movie capability, you probably do not want yourself doing naked zumba in the locker room posted on the Internet.

This.

wave
July 15th, 2011, 03:54 PM
Ditto to seahare.

Some people in our locker room would stand in the aisle, where everyone else has to pass by--or squeeze by--completely naked chatting with someone else (who's covered) for some ten minutes.

I have actually personally caught someone peeping from behind the locker at another before the latter got dressed up, who, upon being caught by surprise, gave some coughs and left.

aztimm
July 15th, 2011, 04:19 PM
I think this is one of the best posts here, and I think the list at the bottom could be posted in almost every locker room.

I swim with a masters team at the same time that kids groups swim, and many days we share the locker room. I'll wrap a towel around me whenever I can. To the poster who said to just wash, "down there," at another time...many of us go straight from swimming to work. In the average week I may shower at home just once or twice.

If a swimming locker room raises complaints, I'd hate to see what this kid does when he goes to a real gym locker room. My gym is 18+ (16 w a parent), and some people just get crazy with walking around naked in the locker room. As others have said, I do what I need to do and get out of there.


Does your club run practices at the same time?
sometimes

Have you run into issues like this?
not that I know of

How did you handle/manage locker room time?

WARNING: there are naked people in locker rooms

most older swimmers walk around in the buff care free while
most younger swimmers and some masters (who might have had prudish moms or modesty issues, just a theory)
wrap a towel around their waist when they put on their suits or take them off


Inappropriate Locker room Behavior's are:

1) Touching, (others or self)

2) Shooting pictures or video, (don't take out your cell phones)

3) Standing too close,

4) Staring, and

5) inappropriate conversation (direct or indirect)


The masters tend to talk with their friends and ignore age group swimmers and vice versa.

If kids are really modest they can change in a stall.

Plus we can all choose to look the other way.

Herb
July 15th, 2011, 06:19 PM
I do remember when I was in high school and we used to do morning workouts in the summer at Michigan State University we always commented about the "creepy old guys" in the locker room walking around naked. Thinking back these creepy old guys were just behaving exactly as I tend to now!



I hope you aren't behaving exactly like that...

I think that for any kid that experienced that locker room then either nothing will ever again phase them or they will be scarred for life. I am in the latter group. I don't know, maybe they closed the sauna down by the time you were there. I was there from about age 9-12 and only found out years later what was actually going on there.

knelson
July 15th, 2011, 06:42 PM
I was there from about age 9-12 and only found out years later what was actually going on there.

So you're saying they really were creepy? You're right then--I probably don't behave exactly like them. :bolt:

Herb
July 15th, 2011, 07:13 PM
So you're saying they really were creepy? You're right then--I probably don't behave exactly like them. :bolt:

Perhaps it is urban myth but I don't think so. I was too young and naive to have a clue at the time.

I think there might have been a sting operation or something but I just searched and couldn't find anything about it. But the first hit I got on google is enough to re-enforce my kind of thinking.

KatieK
July 16th, 2011, 11:15 AM
most older swimmers walk around in the buff care free while
most younger swimmers and some masters (who might have had prudish moms or modesty issues, just a theory)
wrap a towel around their waist when they put on their suits or take them off


Most of the adults I see doing a deck change are the ones who let their 8-year-old boys run around the ladies locker room. AAAAARRRRGHHH! (Maybe that one belongs in the swim rant thread.)

EJB190
July 16th, 2011, 04:04 PM
My local pool has 4 changing rooms. 1 Mens, 1 Womans, 1 Boys, 1 Girls. The Men's changing room is quite fancy and full of naked old men. The Boy's changing room is pretty plain and has much more modest people.

I feel like my generation and below (20 yrs old) is much more modest with all of the teachings of sexual harassment and pedophiles and such.

My pool in high school also had the 4 changing rooms. If some old, wrinkly, sagging, man happened to walk in of a shower the boys locker room someone would say NOMA. Naked Old Man Alert.

guppy
July 16th, 2011, 05:32 PM
It's true that younger guys tend to cover up in the locker room and older guys don't. But there's a middle generation that brings their little kids into the men's locker room, and I mean not just little boys but little girls anywhere from two to six years old. Am I supposed to cover up because there is a four year old girl (or boy?) in the men's locker room?

Glenn
July 16th, 2011, 05:46 PM
I feel like my generation and below (20 yrs old) is much more modest with all of the teachings of sexual harassment and pedophiles and such.


EJB,

This is the best explanation I have heard on this. Makes sense.

Up till now on this thread, my response has been, get over it! Well, that is still my response, but at least I understand where the modesty is coming from.

This from a guy who would cause a NOMA!!:D

swimcat
July 16th, 2011, 06:31 PM
This reminds me of sauna issues. In europe, saunas are coed and absolutely no bathing suits allowed. towels, however; must be used to sit on benches. b/c I have lived in Europe and in the USA, if i'm in Europe i go with what they do, if i am here, i go with what is done here, depending on pool or team I am swimming with. Most Y's , have adult and kid locker rooms. I have even seen Masters Swimmers (women) deck change at Ynats from a tech suit. wish i could learn that trick.
To each his own.

swimshark
July 16th, 2011, 07:39 PM
This reminds me of sauna issues. In europe, saunas are coed and absolutely no bathing suits allowed. towels, however; must be used to sit on benches. b/c I have lived in Europe and in the USA, if i'm in Europe i go with what they do, if i am here, i go with what is done here, depending on pool or team I am swimming with.

There is a NOWA who sits in our sauna naked every morning around 6am. The sauna is in the women's locker room only so only us females see her but - ewwww. I don't go in that sauna for fear of what that NOWA is leaving behind.

cheakamus
July 17th, 2011, 12:45 AM
I worried about nakedness in the locker room for about 2 weeks — when I was 10 years old. After that, I hardly ever thought about it. In Canadian schools of that era, from grade 5 on, gym was compulsory, with naked showers to follow, and you just did it and got over it!

Coincidentally, I was just googling ocean beach temperatures in Vancouver and came across a notice that as of June 2011, topless bathing is legal on all Vancouver beaches.:banana:

analazy
July 17th, 2011, 02:54 AM
Think, everywhere nudity is a issue… :blah:
Personally could not care less about what others say or think about being nude in areas legally allowed. Body is just that, a body, natural… :)
If seeing some parts is offensive at shower rooms for some just close eyes… if youngsters are having problems with their bodies and refuse to see others… that is part of growing up, we should not endorse legal nudity complains, we should talk about it …educate …:)
If with the new technologies someone is taking my picture without authorization… well… nowadays can happen everywhere, it is the price of advanced technologies at the hands of “closed” minds :afraid:

Peter Cruise
July 17th, 2011, 07:53 AM
Well put, Ana.

jaadams1
July 17th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Coincidentally, I was just googling ocean beach temperatures in Vancouver and came across a notice that as of June 2011, topless bathing is legal on all Vancouver beaches.:banana:

Vancouver, WA or B.C.???

cheakamus
July 17th, 2011, 02:02 PM
Vancouver, WA? — in your dreams!!!:canada:
Do they even have beaches?

jaadams1
July 17th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Vancouver, WA? — in your dreams!!!:canada:
Do they even have beaches?

It is on the Columbia River.

Herb
July 17th, 2011, 07:45 PM
If with the new technologies someone is taking my picture without authorization… well… nowadays can happen everywhere, it is the price of advanced technologies at the hands of “closed” minds :afraid:

So are you saying that those that take nude photos in a locker room just have a closed mind with regard to nudity?

The price for doing this in the U.S. is a criminal offense.

aztimm
July 17th, 2011, 09:00 PM
My local pool has 4 changing rooms. 1 Mens, 1 Womans, 1 Boys, 1 Girls. The Men's changing room is quite fancy and full of naked old men. The Boy's changing room is pretty plain and has much more modest people.

I feel like my generation and below (20 yrs old) is much more modest with all of the teachings of sexual harassment and pedophiles and such.

My pool in high school also had the 4 changing rooms. If some old, wrinkly, sagging, man happened to walk in of a shower the boys locker room someone would say NOMA. Naked Old Man Alert.

You do realize that at some point you'll both have to use the 'Mens' changing room and that you'll also get old?

Herb
November 16th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Was curious if any more came of this topic from the Sandusky deal? Or is that topic banned? I don't want too stir up too much as I already had a post in this thread deleted a while back. But at the same time ...

slow
November 17th, 2011, 05:55 AM
Some idiot was doing naked deep knee bends in the locker room this morning. He was probably creepy and old, but I was doing my best not to look. :afraid:

Do you go to the same gym as me? He and his friend -- the one with the eyepatch who does the jumping jacks -- were harmonizing a cappella in the shower today.

slow
November 17th, 2011, 06:21 AM
Okay, but seriously, I have been in hundreds of locker rooms that had a variety of "rules" and "policies". Initially as a naive child and then as an aware teen and now as a jaded adult and eventually as a decrepit old man...the change of perspectives is interesting.

What are the best practices? It is open to debate but here you go:

1. Children should be accompanied by a responsible adult. This puts the responsibility on the parent and partially protects regular people who just happen to be using the shower.
2. An employee should sweep through once an hour. Besides picking up a bit, this coaxes some of the people who like to literally hang out while engaging in extended chitchat that they should either start their workout or leave for the day.
3. All visitors/guests must be signed in with the desk and remain in the company of their member/host. The Free Friday policy of some gyms brings in a lot of homeless people, so they are literally hiding in the locker room which really drives up the ick factor.
4. A sign should be posted encouraging people to report unattended children, videotaping activies, and/or sexual contact to the attendent. This outlines what behavior is truly out of bounds and encourages people to report the real problems.

Personally I grew up with spartan concrete facilities that had no a/c or heating, so you literally wanted to change and shower and be done with it. As a result, I have the habit of changing and showering without any trace of modesty, not rushing but also not spending extra time.

Now locker rooms are so comfortable and plush, with televisions and magazine racks and even microwaves, that I can see how people get more comfortable spending an extra 20 or 30 minutes to socialize. It is like the gyms want people to hang out in there.

Fenella
November 17th, 2011, 10:26 AM
My club swims in a pool that has no individual changing cubicles

I have no problem with women bringing in children. However I am getting rather fed up with woman bringing in (large) virtually adolescent boys whose voices are on the verge of breaking, yet are apparently incapable of being left alone to change in the boys changing room

smontanaro
November 17th, 2011, 07:58 PM
However I am getting rather fed up with woman bringing in (large) virtually adolescent boys whose voices are on the verge of breaking, yet are apparently incapable of being left alone to change in the boys changing room

Not to excuse the practice you describe, but there was an article in a recent Time about the earlier onset of puberty: Little Women: When Puberty Starts Too Soon (http://healthland.time.com/2011/10/20/little-women-when-puberty-starts-too-soon/). The article focuses on girls, but mentions that, while more difficult to determine precisely, boys seem to be hitting puberty earlier as well.

Skip

knelson
November 18th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Not to excuse the practice you describe, but there was an article in a recent Time about the earlier onset of puberty

I have a feeling Fenella may have been exaggerating just a tad. I sure hope so, anyway.

Rykno
November 18th, 2011, 01:07 AM
our pool is located in the county facility and is open to the public. so besides our swimmers there are people 16-99 that use the lockers.

we even have co-ed staff that clean at night, so when our Masters practice is finished as the pool is closing we have women (often young) hosing down the floor, cleaning the bathrooms. They want to save time and be able to walk out the building 5-10min after the last guest.

pmccoy
November 18th, 2011, 08:18 AM
we even have co-ed staff that clean at night, so when our Masters practice is finished as the pool is closing we have women (often young) hosing down the floor, cleaning the bathrooms.We apparently have the same thing. A couple mornings ago, I had just completely undressed in the locker rooms when the male janitor walked in... followed by the female janitor. Everyone looked over at her but she acted like she belonged there and we all went back to changing into our suits.

Bobinator
November 18th, 2011, 08:34 AM
My club swims in a pool that has no individual changing cubicles

I have no problem with women bringing in children. However I am getting rather fed up with woman bringing in (large) virtually adolescent boys whose voices are on the verge of breaking, yet are apparently incapable of being left alone to change in the boys changing room

Amen to that sista!!!!! I teach at a local grade school and I have had parents bring boys in the girl's locker room who go to my school. When that happens I just leave and wait in the hallway till they are done!

__steve__
November 18th, 2011, 09:13 AM
I've been walked in on while changing several times at the gym where I swim by female staff. They were just doing chores like replacing the towels, or cleaning early before closing on Friday, but nonetheless it's embarrassing.

Fenella
November 18th, 2011, 10:19 AM
I have a feeling Fenella may have been exaggerating just a tad. I sure hope so, anyway.

I did take issue last year with the mother of a hoodie wearing spotty oik who was the same height as me, but I suppose could have been on overgrown 6 year old

I am 5 foot 8 .........................

knelson
November 18th, 2011, 10:22 AM
That's crazy. Any kid who's old enough to be in school should be using the appropriate sex locker room.

MickYoung
November 18th, 2011, 01:57 PM
I went into the men's faculty shower room for my university pool once and a guy was in there with 6 or 7 naked boys that were, I dunno, maybe 6 or 7.

He herded them all out, but told one, "You stay here."

I'm very nearsitghted, but I was aware that the boy on the other side of the shower room was looking at me with a great deal of curiousity - I had just taken my suit off and was soaping my stuff.

I glanced over, I tried to focus my myopic, astigmatic eyes, and then realized the "boy" was girl.

I was instantly aware of potential (but admittedly unlikely) legal repercussions for me and hightailed out of there. The headline that popped into my brain was "Missing girl found naked in shower room with naked man."

I got out so fast, I had to rinse off when I got home.

I don't have kids and I have a European kind of attitude towards nudity, but that still made me uncomfortable. Heck, even if it had been a close friend's daughter and he said "It's OK, she's used to nudity," I would not do that.

A stranger?

Aside from whatever the girl experienced, the guy who left her there was exposing both himself and me to hellish legal problems.

swimlong
November 22nd, 2011, 10:22 PM
Given basic rules (no photos, no touching, etc.) then if you are not comfortable with nudity, don't go to a public change room. Report creepy and inappropriate behaviour - which, BTW, does not include a middle aged person removing their suit to shower.

The teens who are "uncomfortable" with naked adults probably watch a fair deal of nakedness or near nakedness on TV/movies/internet...kind of ironic.

My advice: Get a grip - we're talking the human body here, which is not an obscenity.

GrayM
November 23rd, 2011, 10:43 AM
OMG.....here we go.....thanks to the creeps at PSU!

slug4211
November 25th, 2011, 11:13 AM
Not really a problem at my pool regarding the locker room, except for the "family" locker facilities. Is there some unwritten rule that says moms can go into the opposite sex locker rooms at any time to check on their sons? I have had two occasions when I was changing over with my two boys ages 5 and 3, where a mom has just barged into the locker room with no warning whatsoever, to check on her son. (who btw was at least 8 years old) And for some other unknown reason, at the Y during summer camps, you can expect that when the campers come into the boys locker room, they will be accompanied by both male and female counselors. Really weird if you ask me.