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adrianandcielo
December 9th, 2011, 01:44 AM
Big swim meet comming up and i need to focus on my butterfly arms.. i have been thinking, What is the correct way to pull for the butterfly pulll down? should my hands push the water next to my hips or under my hips? I would also like the easiest way that can help save my arms from dying in the 100 butterfly.

geochuck
December 9th, 2011, 05:53 AM
Arms die in the 100 Fly basically because of the way a person kicks. Arms need to have a clean exit, a clean entry - don't finish too far below the hips.

A good video here Butterfly from Underwater in Slow Motion - Misty Hyman - YouTube

And another http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=o6wNjXj7zGk

rtodd
December 9th, 2011, 10:25 PM
I would also like the easiest way that can help save my arms from dying in the 100 butterfly.

Kick driven stroke with a relaxed arm recovery and high elbow pull.

geochuck
December 10th, 2011, 04:48 AM
The kick is a head to toe motion full body motion, Others may diagree but the head action controls the kick.
Kick driven stroke with a relaxed arm recovery and high elbow pull.

rtodd
December 10th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Agreed. The point is the arms do less than I used to think. I used to be all pull, now I rely on kicking and really relaxing the arm recovery and not pulling too early.

ande
December 10th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Dont think too much
Do it like this

Phelps Rallies Past Crocker in 100-fly
Phelps Rallies Past Crocker in 100-fly - YouTube

Or This

Phelps vs Cavic 100M Butterfly Rome (Dutch)
Phelps vs Cavic 100M Butterfly Rome (Dutch) - YouTube

geochuck
December 11th, 2011, 06:26 AM
Before you can swim fly like Phelps you must develope your stroke technique. Which takes lots of thought to get it right.

Most important keep it simple and it will work out for you. But dont expect Phelps' results immediatley.

ElaineK
December 11th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Dont think too much
Do it like this

Phelps Rallies Past Crocker in 100-fly
Phelps Rallies Past Crocker in 100-fly - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_ks0aHkCE)

Or This

Phelps vs Cavic 100M Butterfly Rome (Dutch)
Phelps vs Cavic 100M Butterfly Rome (Dutch) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAwoAPsmKzc)


Easier said than done, Ande! For most Masters swimmers, it's a huge leap from what they are currently doing to swimming like the best swimmers in the world. What we need to learn is how to get from Point A to Point B, developing the stroke in steps. Perhaps Adrianandcielo can make that leap, but for most of us, it is not too likely we can just "Do it like this", next time we get in the pool... :worms:

__steve__
December 11th, 2011, 11:57 AM
Considering Phelps is like a mutated human better adapted at swimming butterfly, would his style really be a fundamental standard for swimming the stroke for normal humans?

geochuck
December 11th, 2011, 03:18 PM
It is good to try and copy his style, that is try to cpoy his style.


Considering Phelps is like a mutated human better adapted at swimming butterfly, would his style really be a fundamental standard for swimming the stroke for normal humans?

SolarEnergy
December 11th, 2011, 03:31 PM
The kick is a head to toe motion full body motion, Others may diagree but the head action controls the kick. Others may disagree, but certainly not me.

Fly is a kick driven stroke. And I also agree with one of your previous comment that kind of stayed unanswered I believe.

Often so, arms are dying because of the way people kick, and I'd add because of the way people breathe:

- If the Second kick occurs way too early, and that the hands are use to push yourself up to breathe (instead of just making a head movement), then arms can rapidly become overloaded and die prematurely.

- Severe (to mild) flexibility limitations will also be extremely counterproductive when swimming the fly. Lay down in your bed. Perform arm recoveries, ie arms up, bring them along side the body, then back up, then back down, then back up. This should feel relatively easy. If it feels like a nightmare, that alone, then you likely have a flexibility issue. Arm adductors are not flexible enough. You're therefore working against yourself when recovering the arms.