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magick17
December 9th, 2011, 12:40 PM
btw, hubby's an official BUT I don't want him to laff at me and I've read conflict info online..

in BR can you streamline past the 15m mark on starts and turns w/out DQ-ing? or MUST you be up by then? (I'm doing a 200)

Karl_S
December 9th, 2011, 12:43 PM
btw, hubby's an official BUT I don't want him to laff at me and I've read conflict info online..

in BR can you streamline past the 15m mark on starts and turns w/out DQ-ing? or MUST you be up by then? (I'm doing a 200)
If you have to worry about this you must have one heck of a good pullout!

ElaineK
December 9th, 2011, 01:30 PM
btw, hubby's an official BUT I don't want him to laff at me and I've read conflict info online..

in BR can you streamline past the 15m mark on starts and turns w/out DQ-ing? or MUST you be up by then? (I'm doing a 200)

Since Karl didn't answer your question, I will...

No, you will not get a DQ. BUT, you can only push off, pulldown, then do one kick. At that point, your head must break the surface before you take your first regular stroke. (King Frog, please correct me if I didn't get this correct.)

knelson
December 9th, 2011, 01:54 PM
You're almost correct, Elaine. Your head must surface before the insweep of your first "regular" stroke.

magick17
December 9th, 2011, 01:59 PM
my hubby just explained why my question was ridicolous..lol..

ande
December 9th, 2011, 03:20 PM
No, you will not get a DQ. BUT, you can only push off, pulldown, then do one kick. At that point, your head must break the surface before you take your first regular stroke.

or you may push off, streamline, slightly part your hands, do one kick then pulldown

knelson
December 9th, 2011, 03:22 PM
or you may push off, do one kick then pulldown

Assuming that kick is a dolphin kick and it always needs to be done after the initiation of the pull. You can never kick first.

From 101.2.2:

Throughout the race the stroke cycle must be one arm stroke and one leg kick in that
order.

From 101.2.3:

After the start and after each turn, a single butterfly (dolphin) kick,
which must be followed by a breaststroke kick, is permitted during or at the
completion of the first arm pull

ElaineK
December 9th, 2011, 04:52 PM
You're almost correct, Elaine. Your head must surface before the insweep of your first "regular" stroke.

Thanks! I forgot about that detail... :agree:

lefty
December 9th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Longest pullouts: Dave Rollins?

orca1946
December 9th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Yes to all the above details. 15 is a long way out!

jaadams1
December 9th, 2011, 07:06 PM
btw, hubby's an official BUT I don't want him to laff at me and I've read conflict info online..

in BR can you streamline past the 15m mark on starts and turns w/out DQ-ing? or MUST you be up by then? (I'm doing a 200)

In Breaststroke you can go beyond the 15 Meter point, as long as it is done with only 1 Pull & 1 Kick. Usually this can only be acheived on the first length with the dive entry assisting. Breaststroke's underwater distance is already set with a limit of 1 pull, 1 kick, so the 15M distance is irrelevant.