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jaadams1
February 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/maryland-swim-team-retroactively-loses-county-title-because-153508295.html


A Maryland girls swimming team has had its county championship title retroactively stripped for one of the more bizarre retroactive punishments to come down in recent years: It was deemed that improper shaving had occurred.

That's right, improper shaving. Not shaving points mind you, but shaving of body hair. And, as it turns out, if the unnamed player implicated had only shaved a couple hours earlier, she and her teammates would still have their county title.

As reported by a number of Maryland news outlets, the Baltimore Sun and Annapolis Capital among them, the Broadneck (Md.) High girls swimming squad lost its Anne Arundel County title after it was determined that one of the team's swimmers shaved on-site (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bal-broadneck-girls-swim-team-has-title-stripped-for-shaving-incident-20120221,0,7569196.story) just before the start of the event. National Federation of State High School Associations (http://www.nfhs.org/) (NFHS) rules for swimming, diving and water polo stipulate that athletes can not shave before, during or after a meet once a team is on-site.

The reason why the NFHS institutes a no shaving on-site policy is to protect the swimmers themselves from possible blood transmission or, in general, doing full body shaves in high school locker rooms, which would maximize the possibility of unsafe practices like sharing razors. Still, the rule can seem quite a bit over the top when one considers generally acceptable practices for other sports; after all, no one is telling football or basketball players that they can't shave after a game or practice.

Because of the violation, Broadneck lost all points won by the swimmer implicated, dropping the Bruins from first to third place in the final standings. Severna Park (Md.) High was later declared the county champion (http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/HIG/2012/02/19-20/Broadneck-sweeps-region-titles-loses-county-crowns.html) after Broadneck's lost points were redistributed.

Meanwhile, the Annapolis Capital reported that Broadneck swimming coach Colleen Winans was suspended for the Class 4A-3A Regional Championships (http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/HIG/2012/02/19-20/Broadneck-sweeps-region-titles-loses-county-crowns.html) which were held on Saturday because of her swimmer's violation. A release from the Anne Arundel School District cited the failure of Winans' squad to abide by "the rules of the game and promote ethical relationships among coaches and players," as the reason for the discipline taken against Winans (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bal-broadneck-girls-swim-team-has-title-stripped-for-shaving-incident-20120221,0,7569196.story), which included the one-meet ban.


...and the article keeps going and going...

rxleakem
February 22nd, 2012, 06:59 PM
Most if not all meets specify that shaving on site is not allowed. I remember a kid from high school that shaved before the 50 free at Brown and nicked an area behind both heels. He was bleeding all over the deck. :eeew:

If the rules say don't do it on site, then don't.

Dolphin 2
February 22nd, 2012, 08:38 PM
What's the problem with shaving immediately before a meet at the pool when it's perfectly legal to wear a mechanical speed enhancing device -IE- jammers or a tech suit??? :confused:

Fresnoid
February 22nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
What's the problem with shaving immediately before a meet at the pool when it's perfectly legal to wear a mechanical speed enhancing device -IE- jammers or a tech suit??? :confused:

I think, like some previous posts touched on it is a health/safety issue. Sharing razors could conceivably spread body fluid based diseases. Plus the danger of bleeding and getting blood on other people.

Sophomore year of high school, I shaved except for a racing stripe down the front of my legs. I thought it would be cool, but once I was out in the sun it looked really stupid. I cut a nice strip out of my shin trying to shave it off in the locker room. Blood was dripping down my ankle onto the blocks when I swam the first race.

Paredes
February 22nd, 2012, 11:02 PM
Just follow the rules..

knelson
February 23rd, 2012, 12:37 PM
I wonder who ratted her out?

Yes, you should follow the rules, but this punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, especially suspending the coach from the next meet.

Too many pansy rules these days...

aquageek
February 23rd, 2012, 01:02 PM
I wonder who ratted her out?

I bet Fort can attest to this as well but my daughters notice every single thing the other teams' girls do and wear in the locker room on meet day. I bet word got back to a coach who took it to the head meet ref, or however they run meets up in MD at the HS level.

jswim
February 23rd, 2012, 04:21 PM
Yes, you should follow the rules, but this punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, especially suspending the coach from the next meet.

I agree, seems a bit harsh for 1 girl's mistake.

ande
February 23rd, 2012, 04:34 PM
Who hasn't shaved in the shower?
Screwed by an obscure rule. I totally get the reason for having it.

The coach needed to clearly communicate the rules to the team.

The meet organizing group needed to clearly communicate it in it's meet info.

Right up there with the Texas HS Championships machine errorrelay false start controversy.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=17949533&postID=8387991201815849624

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/26979.asp

aquageek
February 23rd, 2012, 04:47 PM
The meet organizing group needed to clearly communicate it in it's meet info.


Meet management has no obligation to post every obscure rule in the meet info. Otherwise meet forms would be 200 pages.

scyfreestyler
February 23rd, 2012, 04:56 PM
Our high school championship meet has the same no shave rule, and I recall seeing it in their meet sheet before.


http://www.cifccs.org/playoffs/participantinfo/2010-2011/swim%20w%20diving%20instructions.pdf


SPORTSMANSHIP:
Each Principal is required by the CCS Board of Managers to meet with any team/individual from his/her school
participating in the CCS Tournament to review CCS Sportsmanship Information.
See APPENDIX for REQUIRED PRE-GAME SPORTSMANSHIP MEETING INFORMATION SHEE
SHAVE-DOWN: Shaving of any form will NOT be allowed at the Meet venue. This will be considered as
UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT under Rule 3., Section 5., Article 7. of the National Federation Swimming &
Diving Rules. Any participant in violation of this rule will be disqualified from further competition.
DECK-CHANGING: Deck-changing will NOT be allowed at the Meet venue. This will be considered as
UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT under Rule 3., Section 5., Article 1. of the National Federation Swimming &
Diving Rules. Any participant in violation of this rule will be disqualified from further competition.
Any player or coach who is ejected from a CCS Tournament contest for FLAGRANT MISCONDUCT or
UNSPORTSMANLIKE BEHAVIOR will be disqualified from all remaining contests in that sport that season.

__steve__
February 23rd, 2012, 09:39 PM
Another reason to use the hair remoaval cream.

Anyone ever try it? Does it work?

slow
February 23rd, 2012, 11:00 PM
Another reason to use the hair remoaval cream.

Anyone ever try it? Does it work?

There's a strange fellow who used to hang out in the hottub shaving his back and other regions. Evidently someone complained because they put up signs saying "No Shaving In The Hottub!" and now he stands near the sinks rubbing creams over his body. I had suspected he was moisturizing, but...hmmm! I could ask him for you?

orca1946
February 23rd, 2012, 11:33 PM
The coach should have told the team, if one girl did it on her own - it's not the coach's fault!

swimmieAvsFan
February 24th, 2012, 09:36 AM
The no-shave rule is a national rule for high school swimming. It's been on the books since at least the mid-90's (if not earlier). There's no reason the coach shouldn't have known about it. And in reading the 2011 interpretations of the rules, it sounds like the admin ref has the ability to review "unusual incidents" that happen during the meet. That's probably how the team was able to be striped of their title retroactively.

It sucks for that school, but this isn't a new rule.

ourswimmer
February 24th, 2012, 11:34 AM
The no-shave rule is a national rule for high school swimming. It's been on the books since at least the mid-90's (if not earlier).

Earlier, I think. I am pretty sure no shaving at meets was the rule when I was in HS in the early 1980s. We could shave in the shower after practice if we wanted to but not at a home meet. (Earrings also were taboo.)

nycswmr0102
February 29th, 2012, 08:52 PM
My first shave was at 14 (I was a relatively new swimmer at that point), and my crazy coach found me an unused razor from one of the girls on the team and told me to get to the showers and shave. This was USS though.

I was never the most patient of shavers in high school...even if I shaved the night before, the cuts on my legs usually made it look like I had just shaved!