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swoomer
February 25th, 2012, 07:59 PM
I have to admit that I've been drinking the Dara Torres Gold Medal Aminos Kool-aid for almost two years. I have experienced weight loss, enhanced muscular mass, and best of all improved swimming. While allowing for the placebo effect, I believe that the aminos have made a difference.

Now, they have been discontinued, and I'm trying to find a substitute. (Why they have been discontinued, I have no clue. Bad business decisions? Marginal substances?) I've had a close relationship with the people in the office, and one day, they just didn't answer and I don't know what to make of that.

My question is if anyone else has had positive results from BCAA-complex use, and what the alternatives to the "Dara" complex might be. When I read the label, there are a lot of "propriatary" blends, so I don't hope to match it exactly. But surely there might be a close substitute. Anyone????

Jazz Hands
February 25th, 2012, 08:03 PM
Whey protein. Plenty of BCAA in there, plus all the other amino acids, and it's cheaper.

__steve__
February 25th, 2012, 10:39 PM
whey does not work worth a crud for me.. no difference between5-6 scoops a day or nothing

I have much better results with caisesen and beef powder s. perhaps I don't absorb whey

The Fortress
February 26th, 2012, 03:03 PM
whey does not work worth a crud for me.. no difference between5-6 scoops a day or nothing

I have much better results with caisesen and beef powder s. perhaps I don't absorb whey

Being lactose intolerant, I sometimes have trouble with whey protein, though the isolate is supposed to contain little lactose.

I've had a professional trainer recommend the following site for high quality BCAAs: www.infinityfitness.com.

Jazz Hands
February 26th, 2012, 03:39 PM
... isolate is supposed to contain little lactose.

Zero. There are also some whey concentrate powders with added lactase.

Rugrat
February 26th, 2012, 05:55 PM
Meatball subs. :banana:

swimlong
February 26th, 2012, 07:56 PM
What is/are BCAA's? some type of amino acid? what is their purpose, and can they be found in any "normal" food?

Jazz Hands
February 26th, 2012, 08:05 PM
What is/are BCAA's?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=BCAA


some type of amino acid?

Yes.


what is their purpose...

You need them in order to live.


... and can they be found in any "normal" food?

Yes.

ElaineK
February 26th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Have any of you tried L-Carnitine? How does it compare to BCAA's? I'm a newbie when it comes to amino acids...

smontanaro
February 27th, 2012, 06:25 AM
I had to look up what "BCAA" meant, but I see that it just refers to three particular essential amino acids: leucine, isoleucine and valine. Carnitine is synthesized in the body from the two essential amino acids lysine and methionine. ("Essential" because your body can't make them from other chemicals, but must get them in your diet.) So, in theory, if you get enough lysine and methionine in your diet (or from other supplements), there should be no need to take a Carnitine supplement. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine seems to suggest that it might be useful in certain circumstances.

S

ElaineK
February 27th, 2012, 03:07 PM
So, in theory, if you get enough lysine and methionine in your diet (or from other supplements), there should be no need to take a Carnitine supplement. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine seems to suggest that it might be useful in certain circumstances.


This is one way L-Carnitine can be useful:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/457619-l-carnitine-for-fibromyalgia/

At this point a confirmed diagnosis hasn't been made as to whether I have fibromyalgia or lupus (or both), but I have been given the green light to take L-Carnitine in the meantime. (I head to Emory University Hospital, tomorrow, for an appointment with a rheumatologist, so hopefully, further progress will be made...)

I'm just curious as to how L-Carnitine would compare to BCAA's, as far as it being a benefit for my swimming, as well.

Jazz Hands
February 27th, 2012, 04:22 PM
I'm just curious as to how L-Carnitine would compare to BCAA's, as far as it being a benefit for my swimming, as well.

I only found one study on Carnitine and swimming. No beneficial effect: https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/sportsmed/doi/10.1055/s-2007-1021044

And BCAA supplements are a joke.

ElaineK
February 27th, 2012, 09:04 PM
I only found one study on Carnitine and swimming. No beneficial effect: https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/sportsmed/doi/10.1055/s-2007-1021044

And BCAA supplements are a joke.

Thanks, Jazz, I appreciate the info.! :applaud:

orca1946
February 27th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Most of those will only aid in build up if you work out VERY HARD every day to peak at a certain time.

The Fortress
February 28th, 2012, 12:07 PM
And BCAA supplements are a joke.

Grump!

I think that overstates things. I agree that food supplementation is supplementation and can't replace a healthy diet. However, there are times I'm not in the mood for a meatball sub or steak right after workout. Or I can't get somewhere to eat right away. If that's the case, I see nothing at all wrong with whey protein or BCAAs post workout. Since the former doesn't always agree with me and can taste like crap, I'm happy to use BCAAs.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/1/269S.short

Jazz Hands
February 28th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Grump!

I think that overstates things. I agree that food supplementation is supplementation and can't replace a healthy diet. However, there are times I'm not in the mood for a meatball sub or steak right after workout. Or I can't get somewhere to eat right away. If that's the case, I see nothing at all wrong with whey protein or BCAAs post workout. Since the former doesn't always agree with me and can taste like crap, I'm happy to use BCAAs.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/1/269S.short

I think you've made a pretty good case here. I suppose what I really mean to say is that if you're supplementing with something that a good diet provides a ton of, you'd better at least know that's what's you're doing, and why. "Because Dara does it" does not count :)