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saraed77
July 31st, 2012, 02:48 PM
One thing I haven't seen discussed ...

At the finish, if one has to run to the finish line on a beach/shore from the water, what is the etiquette on passing?

i.e., person finishes swimming in front of me, but takes FOREVER getting out of the water to the finish line on the beach (walking slowly). Is it completely rude of me to run by him/her?

-Would this differ between fun and more competitive races?
-If the person was a different age group/sex, would that affect your approach?

Thanks!


(I'm new so if this is already discussed somewhere, please direct me.)

Kevin in MD
July 31st, 2012, 03:42 PM
The race ends at the finish line. If the finish line is on the shore, then you race up onto the shore.

Rob Copeland
July 31st, 2012, 03:44 PM
Welcome Sara!

Yes, it is okay to run past someone who is walking or even running to the finish line. The race is from the start to the finish.

With that said, I helped run the Georgia Games Open Water championships a couple of weeks ago. For the most part the Games are what I consider a fun swim and a lot of folks walked the shallows and up the beach to the finish. There are a few real serious swimmers, but for the most part this is ends up being a personal challenge for the participants.

By way of example, in the 1K race at the Georgia Games a lovely young lady patiently (maybe you) followed an older gentleman (younger than me) over the finish line instead of running past him. It would have been perfectly acceptable for her to pass the man in the shallows or in the chute before the finish line.

fatboy
July 31st, 2012, 05:19 PM
If there is a chute that funnels you to the finish, I think it is bad form to pass inside the chute.

Before the chute or no chute - pass everyone you can. I get passed on the beach. It's OK, it's part of the competition. Wave when you go by me!

saraed77
July 31st, 2012, 05:44 PM
Rob-I think that was me. Congrats on the Georgia State Games Open Water Swim. I had only swam open water once before forever ago, and this was way more fun!!!!

Being that it was a fun event, I felt it was not in the spirit to pass, but if that would've been a gal who looked my age, game on:) I was shocked that I got third in my age group.

Thanks to everyone for your input.

On another note, I do pass in the chute in running road races. Most people I pass at the end are people who walked up every hill while my fat butt ran the entire race:)

E=H2O
August 1st, 2012, 12:07 AM
Anything goes before the finish line except walking on someone's back if they have a hard time getting to their feet.

orca1946
August 1st, 2012, 12:22 AM
FRANKIE [ fatboy] I would push:bump: you ahead of me at the line, my friend !!!!:D

aqueoushumor
August 1st, 2012, 12:30 AM
It is true that it is perfectly acceptable and even expected to pass on land before the finish (and if the person in front of you is going Walmart slow-all bets are off). But...I have always felt it is a little bit...It is a swim not a run or tri or crawl. I have been in events where we were instructed to stay in line in the chute (which I thought was classy). Then there was the time someone passed me who had been bitten by a jellyfish or something. But the winner was someone not just passing, but almost knocking over a disabled person using crutches to get to the finish. I don't run fast anyway, and I am usually dizzy and wobbly when I get out...I'm just glad when I don't do a face plant. So that's just me.

orca1946
August 1st, 2012, 11:37 PM
Bad Karma to anyone that pushes a handicapped/crutch using person.

rxleakem
August 2nd, 2012, 12:06 AM
Anything goes before the finish line except walking on someone's back if they have a hard time getting to their feet.

:agree: Help them up, then dash for the finish line.

Some chutes are set up for no passing due to recording the order of finish, so you just file in. Need to know where the race ends, and finish there. Smile for the camera!

chaos
August 2nd, 2012, 10:37 AM
In a swim race;
I'm not going to run past someone to the finish who just out-swam me.

it may be legal.... but it IS bad manners!

fatboy
August 2nd, 2012, 06:08 PM
In a swim race;
I'm not going to run past someone to the finish who just out-swam me.

it may be legal.... but it IS bad manners!

I knew you were a classy guy!

fatboy
August 2nd, 2012, 06:09 PM
FRANKIE [ fatboy] I would push:bump: you ahead of me at the line, my friend !!!!:D

Thanks OZ! If only I could get out the water ahead of you! I will have to train a LOT harder to make that happen!

E=H2O
August 2nd, 2012, 06:32 PM
I knew you were a classy guy!

Have you ever seen Dave run?

chaos
August 3rd, 2012, 05:04 AM
Have you ever seen Dave run?

Lol.... Minor detail

swimcat
August 3rd, 2012, 06:23 PM
At the SwimFest open water clinic they taught us do what it takes.
If is a race afterall. Rob weren't you there too? when they taught us how to rollover somebody, push their hand away, turn by the buoys. etc.
Last year, i ran up the beach at a charity open water swim, most people did, even newbies.

ViveBene
August 6th, 2012, 12:40 PM
At the SwimFest open water clinic they taught us do what it takes.
If is a race afterall. Rob weren't you there too? when they taught us how to rollover somebody, push their hand away, turn by the buoys. etc.
Last year, i ran up the beach at a charity open water swim, most people did, even newbies.

Did they teach you how to respond when YOU were the one being run over, kicked in the face, had swimsuit grabbed off body, etc.?

KatieK
August 6th, 2012, 01:35 PM
I hate running, and I'm a terrible runner. But for some reason, I LOVE that run to the finish. I don't care if I die, I just want to run there as fast as I can. I treat it like the race of my life. Even if there's no one to pass, I want to shave those seconds off my time.

I wouldn't pass in the chute. I also might not pass if it's a really short distance. And physical contact is definitely uncalled for.

swimthegoodfight
August 6th, 2012, 01:52 PM
i have been passed after an in-water finish at an arizona race with instructions from organizers to maintain your order of finish.

we both finished in the 60th percentile or so, e.g. he was 346th and i was 347th.

it is a race and there is no etiquette.

I will state this... you need to race in, but i do like chaos' post very much.

ourswimmer
August 6th, 2012, 02:24 PM
Did they teach you how to respond when YOU were the one being run over, kicked in the face, had swimsuit grabbed off body, etc.?

Answer appears to be yes:
they taught us how to rollover somebody, push their hand away

These are both safe, sportsmanlike defensive moves when another swimmer is cluelessly (or deliberately) swimming over you or crowding you from the side by hitting you repeatedly on the head with his or her recovering arm. You don't stop to yell; you certainly don't kick or punch the person on purpose; you don't grab the person's suit. If you can't just give way, you push the offender away to maintain your personal space; and if that doesn't work but the person has space on his or her other side you just roll over, back to back, and carry on.

As for finishing, I think the etiquette is situational. I agree with chaos that it's bad manners to run past someone who clearly outswam you. OTOH, if two or more swimmers are shoulder to shoulder coming up to a beach finish, part of the contest is to figure out just when to stand up and run, and may the best strategist win. Also, in a race with wave starts, you have to go all the way to the line lest some sandbagger who started in later wave end up with a faster clock time.

swimcat
August 6th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Did they teach you how to respond when YOU were the one being run over, kicked in the face, had swimsuit grabbed off body, etc.?

Steve Munatones taught the clinic. He is considered the top in open water. and yes, what I described is actually what to do if someone kicks, punches bites pushes etc. Triathalons are worse. I have heard of black eyes

knelson
August 7th, 2012, 12:27 AM
I tend to be on autopilot at the finish with my eyes on the prize. I usually don't even notice the clock. The finish is part of the race and I'm going to do my damnedest to get to it as quickly as I can. I agree that once you get to the chute you need to maintain your position, but up till that point it's still a race.