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Chris Stevenson
February 8th, 2013, 09:21 PM
The preliminary TT lists are posted for the 2012 SCM season, which ran Jan 1 thru Dec 31.

http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/

You can also look here to see all the times at once rather than for one age-group/gender

http://www.usms.org/~rectabs/PRELIM_SCM_12.pdf

Please review for accuracy and send corrections to Topten@usms.org or to me via PM.

no200fly
February 8th, 2013, 09:53 PM
Please tell us the Kennedy Shriver Aquatic Center was measured.

jim thornton
February 8th, 2013, 10:45 PM
Please tell us the Kennedy Shriver Aquatic Center was measured.

! ! !

Fresnoid
February 8th, 2013, 10:56 PM
Dang, people really slow down at 50, or maybe they just don't bother racing distance events.

gull
February 9th, 2013, 06:56 AM
Dang, people really slow down at 50, or maybe they just don't bother racing distance events.

Nice.

Have you seen Argo by any chance?

Chris Stevenson
February 9th, 2013, 07:30 AM
I found one error: 100-year-old phenom Marie Kelleher has the top-ranked time in the 50/100 free for the 18-24 age-group. She's even more amazing than I realized!

swimmieAvsFan
February 9th, 2013, 08:04 AM
Please tell us the Kennedy Shriver Aquatic Center was measured.

Yuppers, both before and after the meet. We don't mess around in PV :)

Fresnoid
February 9th, 2013, 10:41 AM
Nice.

Have you seen Argo by any chance?

Not yet. Why?

Frank Thompson
February 9th, 2013, 01:49 PM
Yuppers, both before and after the meet. We don't mess around in PV :)

Is this the meet that Jim Thornton swam his 200 Free, which is 1ST in the 60-64 age group? I hope so because this will kind of make up for the other mishap, well sort of. Congratulations to Jim because he really deserves this one.

rodent
February 9th, 2013, 01:54 PM
! ! !

Congratulations on your AA, 200 free Jim. This one won't get thrown out. I assume you were fingerprinted after the swim so that the Top 10 Committee can be absolutely sure it was you and not your twin brother posing as you!

jim thornton
February 9th, 2013, 02:46 PM
Congratulations on your AA, 200 free Jim. This one won't get thrown out. I assume you were fingerprinted after the swim so that the Top 10 Committee can be absolutely sure it was you and not your twin brother posing as you!

God I hope nobody figures out we swam it as a relay...

jim thornton
February 9th, 2013, 02:47 PM
Is this the meet that Jim Thornton swam his 200 Free, which is 1ST in the 60-64 age group? I hope so because this will kind of make up for the other mishap, well sort of. Congratulations to Jim because he really deserves this one.

Thanks, Skip!

rodent
February 9th, 2013, 03:06 PM
God I hope nobody figures out we swam it as a relay...

He was hiding under the bulkhead and pushed off at the 125! Pretty funny. Congratulations! You seem like you really have stepped up your training in the last year or so.

jim thornton
February 9th, 2013, 08:13 PM
He was hiding under the bulkhead and pushed off at the 125! Pretty funny. Congratulations! You seem like you really have stepped up your training in the last year or so.

Thanks, Jack.

I have tried to be pretty consistent over the past few years, and my times have suffered only a bit of decay if you correct for the outlawing of the body kayak speed suits that women still get to wear.

In some ways, I feel I have been a beneficiary of the FINA suit change rule. I am reasonably hirsute everywhere but my head, therefore shaving does provide a bit of benefit that less hairy fellows don't get. I don't know if some swimmers quit after the body suits were outlawed, but for whatever reason it does seem that my placements in the TT have gone up even if my times aren't quite as fast. Last year, when I was still in the 55-59 age group for SCY, may have been the only time I've made the TT in my last year of an age group.

Not sure who is aging up this year. We might get one more year before Jack Groselle leads a vanguard of superstars into our already McConica-Colella-Trevisan-Shead-Shaw-Stark-dense cohort of superstar competitors! (Sorry if I have left out people in events I don't swim and therefore don't consider my competitors!)

jim thornton
February 15th, 2013, 04:15 PM
Interesting esoterica for regular readers of the forums: 400 SCM free



3
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
4:27.76 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986419)


4
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
4:28.93 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986089)




800 SCM free



5
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
9:36.00 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665908)


6
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
9:43.20 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665910)



Nice to see a friendly rivalry that is not too lopsided one way or t'other!

I do see that James also made the 200 free, and That Guy didn't; however That Guy was 2nd in the 1500 and James 10th. A curious mix of inconsistent speed and endurance performances.

ElaineK
February 15th, 2013, 05:36 PM
Congratulations to That Guy and James (or, James and That Guy)!!! :applaud:

Fresnoid
February 15th, 2013, 07:42 PM
Interesting esoterica for regular readers of the forums: 400 SCM free



3
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
4:27.76 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986419)


4
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
4:28.93 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986089)




800 SCM free



5
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
9:36.00 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665908)


6
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
9:43.20 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665910)



Nice to see a friendly rivalry that is not too lopsided one way or t'other!

I do see that James also made the 200 free, and That Guy didn't; however That Guy was 2nd in the 1500 and James 10th. A curious mix of inconsistent speed and endurance performances.

Let's insert another forumite:
400 SCM


3
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
4:27.76 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986419)


4
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
4:28.93 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1986089)




7
Fresnoid
50
FGST
Pacific
4:43.58 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1910069)



800 SCM


5
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
9:36.00 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665908)




2
Fresnoid
50
FGST
Pacific
9:42.89 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1910067)




6
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
9:43.20 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665910)



1500 SCM


2
That Guy
39
PSM
Pacific Northwest
18:20.23 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665798)




2
Fresnoid
50
FGST
Pacific
18:22.42 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1910065)




10
James A Adams
35
HMS
Inland Northwest
19:32.29 (http://www.usms.org/comp/meets/swim.php?s=1665867)

ElaineK
February 15th, 2013, 09:17 PM
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

That Guy
February 15th, 2013, 11:45 PM
Thanks everybody, and good swims Fresnoid. Our 800 and 1500 times you see there all came from the same 1500 race. The 800 times were split requests. James stopped for a break at the 800, noodled a 50, and then finished out his 1500. And our rivalry extends to more than just distance free. It's pretty much every event, though James has the advantage in breaststroke, and I have the advantage in backstroke. Last fall we actually tied in the 50y free at Bainbridge Island, though at the end of the season for that event you won't find our times among the top 10... or 20... or 50... or probably even 100. :rofl:

jaadams1
February 16th, 2013, 12:51 AM
Thanks everybody, and good swims Fresnoid. Our 800 and 1500 times you see there all came from the same 1500 race. The 800 times were split requests. James stopped for a break at the 800, noodled a 50, and then finished out his 1500. And our rivalry extends to more than just distance free. It's pretty much every event, though James has the advantage in breaststroke, and I have the advantage in backstroke. Last fall we actually tied in the 50y free at Bainbridge Island, though at the end of the season for that event you won't find our times among the top 10... or 20... or 50... or probably even 100. :rofl:

T.G. hit the nail on the head there. I had a few times as well from Canadian Nats in the 200 Free/400 Free (and others) that would've been faster than my USMS rankings times, but they didn't count for Top Ten rules/regulations with (non)measurements (not) taken.

T.G.'s distance freestyle seems to have really taken off in the past year or so, and we had quite a dual at my home masters meet in Wenatchee a month ago. In that race, I was ahead through the 2 to 300, he was ahead at the 500 & 1000, and after talking myself out of quitting early, I managed to pull even about the 1500, and it was a battle of keeping the food in our stomachs for the grind to the 1650.

I.M. Events are a pretty equal battle as well. I tend to take mine out faster than him in the Fly, but the Back tends to ride his direction a bit. Breast (in the IMs) tends to be about equal, and the Free he tends to have a come from behind that almost no one can stop, so we have some pretty good battles too.

Fly = pretty much equal in the sprint flys, 200 Fly is hit or miss on what kind of day we're both having, but basically considered equals.
Back = T.G. is king
Breast = :banana: (2012 Top Ten in the 100 and 200 SCM Breast)


It's all good to talk and joke about it here...but in the meets it's no holds barred competition to the end...then it's back to the joking around again.

Chris Stevenson
March 13th, 2013, 04:12 PM
The final SCM 2012 Top 10 lists have been published. Read 'em and weep (or rejoice)!

http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/

At some point in the near future a link to a formatted listing (as well as any LCM12 errata) will be posted here:

http://www.usms.org/content/top10print

Top 10 patches can be ordered from:

USMS Top Ten Patch Order
c/o Judi Norton
4269 Mallard Cove
Avon, OH 44011-3225
email toptenpatches AT usms DOT org

The 2012 list of pool All-Americans has also been finalized for both individual and relay swims; go to the following URL to list them:

http://www.usms.org/comp/aa/

Individual All Americans will be sent a congratulations letter from the USMS National Office. To order an All American Certificate and Patch, send a check for $5 made out to USMS to:

USMS Membership Office
P.O. Box 185
Londonderry, NH 03053-0185

I will assign pool All-Stars once I get the list from Mary Beth, which should happen fairly soon.

ekw
March 13th, 2013, 05:07 PM
The final SCM 2012 Top 10 lists have been published. Read 'em and weep (or rejoice)!

http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/


:bliss:

That Guy
March 13th, 2013, 06:09 PM
It doesn't look like anything changed in my age group. My #10 held its ground. Neither of my #11's managed to vulture a spot.:anim_coffee:

Chris Stevenson
March 13th, 2013, 07:39 PM
For people who even care about such a thing (both of you), I scored the mythical SCM national championship. Which, since there isn't an *actual* SCM national championship, confers some bragging rights:

#1 Zone: Southwest
#1 LMSC: Southern Pacific
#1 Club: NEM

Complete results in all their detail are here:

http://www.vaswim.org/mythical-champs/

ElaineK
March 14th, 2013, 04:21 AM
:bliss:

:applaud::applaud::applaud::bow:

Fresnoid
March 14th, 2013, 09:09 AM
Does anyone know when FINA releases the previous year's world top ten?

The Fortress
March 14th, 2013, 09:17 AM
Does anyone know when FINA releases the previous year's world top ten?

FINA TTs are out: http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=636

ourswimmer
March 14th, 2013, 10:13 AM
FINA TTs are out: http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=636

:chug:

Fresnoid
March 14th, 2013, 11:40 AM
FINA TTs are out: http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=636


:cool:

Britt03
March 14th, 2013, 01:04 PM
FINA TTs are out: http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=636

thanks for the link! does FINA give out (sell) patches, like USMS? I really want one. Who knows if I will ever be again a FINA TT.

ekw
March 14th, 2013, 01:34 PM
thanks for the link! does FINA give out (sell) patches, like USMS? I really want one. Who knows if I will ever be again a FINA TT.

They do! http://www.fina.org/shop/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=15&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=79

I have just learned three new things - 1) There are FINA patches, 2) The abbreviation for Swiss Franc is CHF, and 3) Right now the exchange rate between the Swiss Franc and the US dollar is almost 1:1.

Britt03
March 14th, 2013, 02:05 PM
They do! http://www.fina.org/shop/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=15&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=79

I have just learned three new things - 1) There are FINA patches, 2) The abbreviation for Swiss Franc is CHF, and 3) Right now the exchange rate between the Swiss Franc and the US dollar is almost 1:1.

Thank you for digging that up!

ekw
March 14th, 2013, 02:47 PM
Thank you for digging that up!

No problem - it's spring break here and the library is pretty slow so I used that question to pad our reference statistics. :D

sunruh
March 14th, 2013, 03:10 PM
No problem - it's spring break here and the library is pretty slow so I used that question to pad our reference statistics. :D

thanks!
at least i was able to get a 2011 patch. odd they dont have '10 nor '12.

knelson
March 14th, 2013, 03:30 PM
2) The abbreviation for Swiss Franc is CHF

Confederation Helvetica, I presume!

ekw
March 14th, 2013, 03:39 PM
Confederation Helvetica, I presume!

Or Confoederatio Helvetica, if you want to be fancy! (New thing I've learned #4)

jaadams1
March 14th, 2013, 06:55 PM
Confederation Helvetica, I presume!

You forgot to phrase that in the form of a question sir! :) Still waiting for that episode on tv...

habu987
March 15th, 2013, 03:13 PM
Booyah! I helped put together my team's (ALEX) relays at the PV SCM relay meet at George Mason in November, and we managed to put up a total of 22 relays. When I was putting in the...looooong...hours seeding all the relays, I was thinking we'd be lucky to have a handful of them crack the top ten for the year. After checking both the USMS and FINA top ten listings, we walked out of that meet with 13 national relay top ten times and 3 (should be 4*) world relay top ten times!

That's far beyond my wildest expectations going into that meet, and I'm very proud of my teammates who helped put up some stellar relays!

*The 4th relay was 3rd fastest in the world by time, but for some reason doesn't show up on the FINA list

Chris Stevenson
March 15th, 2013, 06:00 PM
*The 4th relay was 3rd fastest in the world by time, but for some reason doesn't show up on the FINA list

Did the relay have a young (24 or under) person on it? FINA doesn't consider them masters swimmers and won't count any relays with them on it even if the ages add up to a recognized age group.

Chris Stevenson
March 18th, 2013, 11:34 AM
I will assign pool All-Stars once I get the list from Mary Beth, which should happen fairly soon.

"USMS Pool All-Stars (http://www.usms.org/comp/as/) are those who have achieved the most first place finishes in their age group during the year in Top Ten competition." (In the event of a tie, the tie-breaker is based on a point system using other TT swims.)

The list of 2012 All-Stars has been published:

http://www.usms.org/comp/as/aslist.php?Year=2012

Now that all pool TT, AA and AS lists have been published, that concludes our show for 2012; thanks for playing. :-)

Chris Stevenson
March 18th, 2013, 11:46 AM
Now that all pool TT, AA and AS lists have been published, that concludes our show for 2012; thanks for playing. :-)

Actually I spoke slightly too soon; Mary Beth tells me that there are some errors in the online relay AA lists (eg listing UNAT relays). There are algorithm errors and will be fixed by Mary Beth or Jim (I just push a button that generates the online lists from TT relays).

I have attached a valid list of relay AAs. I apologize for any confusion.