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ande
April 25th, 2013, 12:46 PM
2013 U.S. Masters Swimming Spring National Championship (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/)
IU Natatorium, Indianapolis, Indiana
May 9 - 12, 2013
Short Course Yards
STREAM (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/stream.php)

RESULTS (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/realtime/)

Meet Information (http://www.usms.org/content/scnats13meetinfo)

Psych Sheets (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/)

Timeline (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/timeline.pdf)

Online Check In (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/checkin.php)


2013 Marriott U.S. Masters Swimming Summer National Championship (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats13/)
Marguerite Aquatics Center, Mission Viejo, California
August 7 - 11, 2013
Long Course Meters

The Fortress
May 2nd, 2013, 06:19 PM
Is anyone interested in a forum dinner Friday night? I know that SwimStud, James Adams, Ekw, Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers), Bobinator, Amanda Hunt are interested. Others? Bobinator suggested either Palomino, http://www.palomino.com/, or Iarias, http://www.iariasrestaurant.com/. Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.

Water Rat
May 2nd, 2013, 06:52 PM
I vote for Palomino. It's 1/2 mile from the hotel (JW, Courtyard, Springhill) so walkable.

ALM
May 2nd, 2013, 07:18 PM
Is anyone interested in a forum dinner Friday night? I know that SwimStud, James Adams, Ekw, Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers), Bobinator, Amanda Hunt are interested. Others? Bobinator suggested either Palomino, http://www.palomino.com/, or Iarias, http://www.iariasrestaurant.com/. Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.

Count me in, and probably the webmaster too...


EDIT: Wow. Just noticed that this was my 2,000th post. :bouncing: Such an occasion deserves blue Comic Sans font. :) (Just kidding, Elaine!)

thewookiee
May 2nd, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.

Which means he will swim really well or die during the middle of the meet.

Allen Stark
May 2nd, 2013, 08:13 PM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.No swimming with my left arm for 2 weeks at least.Tendinitis in the rotator cuff,probably supraspinatis,at least.More diagnostic work to come.Since it is very hard to swim BR without a left arm(the whole "all movements must be symmetrical thing")I won't be able to swim at Indy.I wish you all well and certainly hope to be back to full speed by Mission Viejo.

SwimStud
May 2nd, 2013, 09:42 PM
That's unfortunate Allen. We'll miss you. I'll do my best to keep up the BR end for the forumites.

SwimStud
May 2nd, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.
hmmm sounds suspiciously like a sluggish thyroid....

jpetyk
May 2nd, 2013, 10:05 PM
Is anyone interested in a forum dinner Friday night? I know that SwimStud, James Adams, Ekw, Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers), Bobinator, Amanda Hunt are interested. Others? Bobinator suggested either Palomino, http://www.palomino.com/, or Iarias, http://www.iariasrestaurant.com/. Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.
Mind adding 2 more swimmers from Pittsburgh? I would love to meet all the people I've been stalking online.

The Fortress
May 2nd, 2013, 10:21 PM
Mind adding 2 more swimmers from Pittsburgh? I would love to meet all the people I've been stalking online.

Great! I'm moving to Pittsburgh at the end of the summer, so I'd love to meet more Pittsburgh swimmers!

Does anyone know which hotels have shuttles?

Jimbosback
May 2nd, 2013, 10:40 PM
Is anyone interested in a forum dinner Friday night? I know that SwimStud, James Adams, Ekw, Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers), Bobinator, Amanda Hunt are interested. Others? Bobinator suggested either Palomino, http://www.palomino.com/, or Iarias, http://www.iariasrestaurant.com/. Jim Thornton will not be there to bother anyone as he has developed another hypochondriac ailment.

I'm looking for something to do for Friday dinner.

Jimbosback
May 2nd, 2013, 10:52 PM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.No swimming with my left arm for 2 weeks at least.Tendinitis in the rotator cuff,probably supraspinatis,at least.More diagnostic work to come.Since it is very hard to swim BR without a left arm(the whole "all movements must be symmetrical thing")I won't be able to swim at Indy.I wish you all well and certainly hope to be back to full speed by Mission Viejo.

Sorry to hear, Allen. Get better!

jaadams1
May 3rd, 2013, 12:57 AM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.No swimming with my left arm for 2 weeks at least.Tendinitis in the rotator cuff,probably supraspinatis,at least.More diagnostic work to come.Since it is very hard to swim BR without a left arm(the whole "all movements must be symmetrical thing")I won't be able to swim at Indy.I wish you all well and certainly hope to be back to full speed by Mission Viejo.

Allen, I will dedicate the Breaststroke part of my 400 IM to you. I just wish I could swim it as fast. :)

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 08:30 AM
I'm looking for something to do for Friday dinner.

I'll add you to the count jimbosback! Just stay tuned to this thread. When the decision is made about the time and location we'll post it here. Palamino is probably our best bet. It's within walking distance, their menu is varied, and the food is good.

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 08:34 AM
Mind adding 2 more swimmers from Pittsburgh? I would love to meet all the people I've been stalking online.
I'll add you + 1 to the count!!! :)

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 08:34 AM
Which means he will swim really well or die during the middle of the meet.

Will the Wookie be joining us for dinner??

thewookiee
May 3rd, 2013, 08:51 AM
Will the Wookie be joining us for dinner??

Wookiee won't be at nationials, esp. a short course nationals. Besides, if I were to slip off the week before my wedding, the soon-to-be mrs. wookiee might be a little upset.

Chris Stevenson
May 3rd, 2013, 09:42 AM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.

I'm really sorry to hear that, Allen. Good luck with the rehab.

ALM
May 3rd, 2013, 11:27 AM
Mind adding 2 more swimmers from Pittsburgh? I would love to meet all the people I've been stalking online.

I want to meet you, too, Jennifer!

So, of those who are going, where is everyone staying?

Anna Lea & WebJim: Springhill Suites
Leslie:
Jennifer P:
SwimStud:
James Adams:
Ekw:
Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers):
Bobinator:
Amanda Hunt:
Jimbosback:

Jimbosback
May 3rd, 2013, 11:29 AM
I want to meet you, too, Jennifer!

So, of those who are going, where is everyone staying?

Anna Lea & WebJim: Springhill Suites
Leslie:
Jennifer P:
SwimStud:
James Adams:
Ekw:
Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers):
Bobinator:
Amanda Hunt:
Jimbosback:

Springhill

knelson
May 3rd, 2013, 11:32 AM
I won't be able to make the dinner Friday. I'm swimming Friday, but then flying back home Friday night.

I'll be at the pool ALL day on Friday, though, so I'm sure I'll see a few of you there! And I'm staying at the Jw Marriott. Maybe I'll run into someone at the hotel.

And ditto the "get well" to Allen and Wookiee!

The Fortress
May 3rd, 2013, 11:38 AM
I want to meet you, too, Jennifer!

So, of those who are going, where is everyone staying?

Anna Lea & WebJim: Springhill Suites
Leslie:
Jennifer P:
SwimStud:
James Adams:
Ekw:
Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers):
Bobinator:
Amanda Hunt:
Jimbosback:

+ jpetyk + 1
+ my daughter and evilstroker Teen Fort will be with me

Staying at Courtyard Marriott

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 11:51 AM
I want to meet you, too, Jennifer!

So, of those who are going, where is everyone staying?

Anna Lea & WebJim: Springhill Suites
Leslie:
Jennifer P:
SwimStud:
James Adams:
Ekw:
Water Rat (+ 4 Pitt swimmers):
Bobinator:
Amanda Hunt:
Jimbosback:

I'm staying at home, I live in Carmel which is a north suburb of Indy!!

ekw
May 3rd, 2013, 12:37 PM
I'm at the Fairfield Inn.

ETA: I'm in and my roommate may be interested as well.

thewookiee
May 3rd, 2013, 12:49 PM
And ditto the "get well" to ...Wookiee!

Kirk, Is there something I need to know about getting married?

jpetyk
May 3rd, 2013, 12:56 PM
So, of those who are going, where is everyone staying?

Jimbosback:

Springhill

ALM
May 3rd, 2013, 01:02 PM
Springhill Suites:
Jayhawk (Anna Lea)
matysekj (WebJim)
jpetyk + 1 (Jennifer)
Jimbosback

JW Marriott:
knelson (Kirk; not dining)

Courtyard Marriott:
Fortress +1 (Leslie)

Fairfield Inn:
ekw (Ellen)

Luxury Mansion:
Bobinator (Robin)

knelson
May 3rd, 2013, 01:19 PM
Kirk, Is there something I need to know about getting married?

Oops. I guess I saw your icon and Allen's post right under it and somehow thought I read both of you were hurt. So I guess I'll change it to to "good luck and congratulations" for you. :)

The Fortress
May 3rd, 2013, 01:33 PM
Springhill Suites:
Jayhawk (Anna Lea)
matysekj (WebJim)
jpetyk + 1 (Jennifer)
Jimbosback

JW Marriott:
knelson (Kirk; not dining)

Courtyard Marriott:
Fortress +1 (Leslie)

Fairfield Inn:
ekw (Ellen)

Luxury Mansion:
Bobinator (Robin)

SwimStud (Rich) = Courtyard Marriott
Water Rat (Mark) + 4 = JW Marriott

Possibly Chicken of the Sea (Amanda) for dinner

thewookiee
May 3rd, 2013, 01:48 PM
Oops. I guess I saw your icon and Allen's post right under it and somehow thought I read both of you were hurt. So I guess I'll change it to to "good luck and congratulations" for you. :)

Thank you!

pwb
May 3rd, 2013, 02:33 PM
I vote for Palomino.I'll second Mark's vote even though I'm not going to be there. I've eaten there multiple times before when there on business; great food and, for those who care, good wine. I encourage all 45-49 year old men entered in the 400 IM to partake heavily of the most robust wines you can find on Thursday evening. :bolt:

ElaineK
May 3rd, 2013, 03:18 PM
Count me in, and probably the webmaster too...


EDIT: Wow. Just noticed that this was my 2,000th post. :bouncing: Such an occasion deserves blue Comic Sans font. :) (Just kidding, Elaine!)


Congratulations, Jayhawk. And, thank you for using my favorite posting font in honor of your 2,000th post. :banana:


Hey, are you and Mr. Jayhawk going to be around the office on Thursday, May 16? We'll be heading back from Sanibel that day and thought we would make a detour to USMS headquarters. :D

ElaineK
May 3rd, 2013, 03:22 PM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.No swimming with my left arm for 2 weeks at least.Tendinitis in the rotator cuff,probably supraspinatis,at least.More diagnostic work to come.Since it is very hard to swim BR without a left arm(the whole "all movements must be symmetrical thing")I won't be able to swim at Indy.I wish you all well and certainly hope to be back to full speed by Mission Viejo.

Ohhhh NOOOO, King Frog! :bighug: I'm sorry to hear your shoulder is croaking! Get well soon, so you can jump back off the lily pad! I look forward to seeing you and Mrs. Frog at Mission Viejo- and, perhaps a reunion dinner. :D

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 03:31 PM
Wookiee won't be at nationials, esp. a short course nationals. Besides, if I were to slip off the week before my wedding, the soon-to-be mrs. wookiee might be a little upset.

Oh! I was hoping to meet you someday!!!!
Good luck and have a delightfully romantic wedding!!

Bobinator
May 3rd, 2013, 03:33 PM
Arrrrrrrrgggggg :censor::censor::badday:.My shoulder has been bothering me for awhile,but I thought it would be OK by Indy.Now I find out it won't be.No swimming with my left arm for 2 weeks at least.Tendinitis in the rotator cuff,probably supraspinatis,at least.More diagnostic work to come.Since it is very hard to swim BR without a left arm(the whole "all movements must be symmetrical thing")I won't be able to swim at Indy.I wish you all well and certainly hope to be back to full speed by Mission Viejo.

I'm sorry about your RC Allen, I was hoping to meet you and your wife. Heal quickly and hopefully I'll meet you some day soon!

ALM
May 3rd, 2013, 04:46 PM
Hey, are you and Mr. Jayhawk going to be around the office on Thursday, May 16? We'll be heading back from Sanibel that day and thought we would make a detour to USMS headquarters. :D

Awesome! We should be here! I will PM you with contact info.

Anna Lea

jaadams1
May 3rd, 2013, 09:15 PM
Springhill Suites:
Jayhawk (Anna Lea)
matysekj (WebJim)
jpetyk + 1 (Jennifer)
Jimbosback

JW Marriott:
knelson (Kirk; not dining)
Water Rat +4 (Mark)

Courtyard Marriott:
Fortress +1 (Leslie)
jaadams1 +1 (James) - possibly not dining :worms:
SwimStud (Rich)


Fairfield Inn:
ekw (Ellen)

Luxury Mansion:
Bobinator (Robin)




I added myself above...Courtyard Marriott

...also added swimstud, and water rat from Leslie's post above.

Allen Stark
May 4th, 2013, 03:25 PM
I want to thank everyone for their kind words.The working diagnosis is supraspinatis tendonitis with further evaluation to come.
To everyone going SWIM FAST and HAVE FUN!!!!

melinda
May 6th, 2013, 11:12 AM
Hi, folks .... I am an HITer groupie of Leslie's. I would like to join you all for Friday night dinner. I am staying at the Courtyard Marriott, where Fortress and FII are staying. I arrive on Thursday afternoon from Philly at 4:07.

I will not be renting a car. So, I'd be very interested in grabbing rides to the pool with others at this hotel who do have a car. (There is no shuttle from hotels to pool, right?). I'll have to look through the paperwork to how to get from airport to hotel.

I look forward to meeting everyone there!

Melinda Wolff

knelson
May 6th, 2013, 11:29 AM
There is no shuttle from hotels to pool, right?

This is correct and my assumption is it's because the hotels are within walking distance to the pool (under a mile). I didn't get a car for this reason. That's one of the nice things about having the meet in Indy.

I figure I can take a cab to/from the airport.

Bobinator
May 6th, 2013, 11:52 AM
I believe I have counted 19 so far including Amanda and Melinda. Palomino is our best bet, we can walk there from any downtown area hotel or the pool. I had dinner there over spring break and the food is still good and their menu is varied.
I'll wait a couple days before I make the reservation in hopes a few more folks might want to join us.
Any ideas on what time we'd like to eat????

knelson
May 6th, 2013, 11:59 AM
Any ideas on what time we'd like to eat????

Keep in mind there's an error in the timeline for the meet on Friday. See:
http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?22360-2013-Spring-Nationals-Roster-and-Psych-Sheets&p=286803&viewfull=1#post286803

The meet is actually supposed to end at around 3:30, not 4:30.

dplindstedt
May 6th, 2013, 01:04 PM
Interested in joining the group for dinner, possibly 1 other Staying at Courtyard Marriott.

Water Rat
May 7th, 2013, 09:59 AM
I'm just +1 now. Most of my team isn't getting in until late Friday.
staying at the Courtyard

fmracing
May 7th, 2013, 10:07 AM
staying at the Courtyard

I hear thats where all the cool people stay :)

Water Rat
May 7th, 2013, 10:10 AM
haha. i'm so cool i didn't even know that!

jim thornton
May 7th, 2013, 10:47 AM
If you would all chip in a modest stipend each to buy me a state of the art iPad with Skype capabilities, I could attend the dinner in virtual form, make comments on the food and waitresses, encourage each of you to swim your very best, help Leslie deal with Post Carbon Pro Stress Disorder, work with Rich to titrate his thyroid medications, offer sex tips, etc. I would be willing to leave my camera on for the duration of the meet so that the women swimmers could cuddle up to virtual me between events and maybe even during the evening times, too. A win-win, I am pretty sure.

I am not greedy. Jim Thornton is not a greedy man.

I do not need the iPad with retina display and 128GB of RAM for $799.

The iPad with retina display with a mere 16GB of RAM for $499 is more than sufficient!

By my count, there are at least 20 forumites and another, say, 5-6 forumite wives/children planning to eat at Palamino, a delicious but expensive restaurant.

Round off to 25 total diners. Divide this into $499, and that's a mere $19.96 contribution per person to make Virtual Jim Thornton a 24/7 presence in your Nationals Meet Experience!

Less than $20 a head!

And I have even figured out a way to do it.

Simply ask to see the lunch menu and order something cheap.

Also, ask if they have anything that spilled on the floor but was quickly picked up before germs could contaminate it, and ask if you could receive a further discount on your lunch menu for dinner selection.

Other cost cutting techniques:

Cancel your hotel reservation and stay for free at the luxurious Bobinator compound in Carmel. The nicest place I have EVER stayed in Carmel, bar none!

Instead of ordering expensive wine from the menu, purchase a small box of wine easily concealed under the Hawaiian shirts of the men and the mu-mus of the women, along with some flesh colored aquarium tubing and slurp away inconspicuously knowing you've saved yourself a fortune that can then be spent on the iPad with retina display 16GB RAM.

One more thing: if you buy my iPad at Amazon, I actually have a $50 free gift certificate there that I have never used! I am willing, under the maxim "Forumites help forumites who help themselves" to contribute the full $50 to the purchase, that is, my very own money!

Which takes the entire price down to the rest of you to $449, or approximated $17.96. Already you've saved $2! Enough to guiltlessly order cheese with that lightly-spilled-on-the-floor lunch burger at Palaminos!

You know how they will put amusing little goats in the stalls of magnificent racing stallions at the Kentucky Derby stables? Where can you superlative swimmers, with your high strung temperaments and nearly impossible to meet, Zarathustrian standards for yourselves, hope to find a more amusing little goat of a psychic balm than me?

Bring me to the meet...virtually!

To make things as easy as possible, I shall provide the link: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Retina-Display-MD510LL-VERSION/dp/B009W8YQ6K/ref=sr_1_3_m?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367937783&sr=1-3&keywords=iPad

I am spent.

Could someone handle the logistics of money gathering, shipping, etc.?

kmmelsen
May 7th, 2013, 11:50 PM
+2 from Minnesota - Krisie Melsen and Annie Dank - I believe we are staying at the Courtyard

ande
May 8th, 2013, 10:55 AM
The fun is about to begin. Good luck.

2013 U.S. Masters Swimming Spring National Championship (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/)
IU Natatorium, Indianapolis, Indiana
May 9 - 12, 2013
Short Course Yards
Meet Information (http://www.usms.org/content/scnats13meetinfo)

Psych Sheets (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/)

Timeline (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/timeline.pdf)

Online Check In (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/checkin.php)

STREAM (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/stream.php)

RESULTS (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/realtime/)


DAVID Wharton Article (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/MorningSwimShow/34338.asp?q=Morning-Swim-Show:-Dave-Wharton-Stoking-Competitive-Fire-at-Nationals)

beprocton
May 8th, 2013, 02:57 PM
Interesting in joining the group. + 1 from North Carolina - Bruce Procton. I am staying at the JW Marriott

The Fortress
May 8th, 2013, 04:52 PM
Glad to have more joiners! Bobinator made a reservation for 24 at 6:00 pm at Palominos.

Jimbosback
May 8th, 2013, 05:03 PM
Is there a dress code? Trying to pack.

jim thornton
May 8th, 2013, 09:00 PM
I don't want anyone to panic, but my iPad hasn't arrived.

Maybe a little panic is in order.

ALM
May 8th, 2013, 10:25 PM
I don't want anyone to panic, but my iPad hasn't arrived.

Maybe a little panic is in order.

Are you sure? I'm sure we shipped it. I mean, we all collected money, and.... we gave it to Leslie and she said she was going to "take care of it."

I'm sure that new LZR that she just bought was just a coincidence. :dunno:

The Fortress
May 8th, 2013, 10:38 PM
Are you sure? I'm sure we shipped it. I mean, we all collected money, and.... we gave it to Leslie and she said she was going to "take care of it."

I'm sure that new LZR that she just bought was just a coincidence. :dunno:

Ha! I didn't have to buy a new suit since Arena fed exed me a Mark 2! However, I do have a college tuition deposit to make. :bolt:

Fresnoid
May 8th, 2013, 10:50 PM
Is there a dress code? Trying to pack.

Yes. Everyone will be wearing their old tech suits to get some more use out of them.

Jimbosback
May 8th, 2013, 11:39 PM
Yes. Everyone will be wearing their old tech suits to get some more use out of them.

I was thinking more 'collared shirt' but thanks. Now I'm even more excited to go to this dinner! :-)

ALM
May 9th, 2013, 10:27 PM
I met jaadams1 and Jimbosback in person today. Also got to meet Mini-Fort - we watched aquageek swim his 1650.

Ran into Bobinator on the pool deck. The dinner is Friday night at 6:00pm at Palomino. 49 W Maryland St Indianapolis, IN 46204, which is near the intersection of Maryland and Illinois streets. It's just a few blocks from the Marriott/Fairfield/Springhill complex.

ande
May 10th, 2013, 11:06 AM
Good luck to all

Rock the Blocks
Shock the clock
Have a Blast
Swimmin FAST

2013 U.S. Masters Swimming Spring National Championship (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/)
IU Natatorium, Indianapolis, Indiana
May 9 - 12, 2013
Short Course Yards
Meet Information (http://www.usms.org/content/scnats13meetinfo)

Psych Sheets (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/)

Timeline (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/timeline.pdf)

Online Check In (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/heats/checkin.php)

STREAM (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/stream.php)

RESULTS (http://www.usms.org/comp/scnats13/realtime/)

ande
May 10th, 2013, 11:08 AM
another record for the Fort
Way to go


Event 8 Women 50-54 50 Yard Backstroke
================================================== ================
NATL: 27.24 4/29/2012 LESLIE LIVINGSTON
Name Age Club Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Livingston, Leslie 51 GMUP 27.80 27.04

Rob Copeland
May 10th, 2013, 12:40 PM
I met jaadams1 and Jimbosback in person today. Also got to meet Mini-Fort - we watched aquageek swim his 1650.Since you are trying to meet every participant, have you met Joy Tsuzuki? I was wondering if this is Edís mother.

Karl_S
May 10th, 2013, 02:20 PM
Water Rat just threw down a great 200 free, confirming what readers of his blog know even though he doesn't, he trains for the 200 free.

Karl_S
May 10th, 2013, 02:21 PM
Another record goes down in fine style to a Philly area swimmer:

Event 12 Women 60-64 50 Yard Breaststroke====================================== ============================ NATL: 36.30 5/14/2006 GINGER PIERSON Name Age Club Seed Finals ================================================== ================ 1 Wolff, Melinda 60 1776 37.50 35.09

ALM
May 10th, 2013, 02:43 PM
Since you are trying to meet every participant, have you met Joy Tsuzuki? I was wondering if this is Ed’s mother.

Have not met her but it is Ed's mother. They are doing a family relay with Ed, Ed's mom, Ed's sister, and one of her kids.

The Fortress
May 10th, 2013, 03:56 PM
Another record goes down in fine style to a Philly area swimmer:

Event 12 Women 60-64 50 Yard Breaststroke====================================== ============================ NATL: 36.30 5/14/2006 GINGER PIERSON Name Age Club Seed Finals ================================================== ================ 1 Wolff, Melinda 60 1776 37.50 35.09

Thats my HIT girl! Way to go, Melinda!

Allen Stark
May 11th, 2013, 06:50 PM
Congratulations to Bob Strand for being the first swimmer to swim his age in the 100 Br-67 sec 67 years old.Rick Colella came close to being the second and the youngest, swimming it in 62 sec at 61.

knelson
May 11th, 2013, 06:58 PM
Rick Colella came close to being the second and the youngest, swimming it in 62 sec at 61.

Rick is having a great meet. He retired a few months ago and maybe now he's got more time to train. Scary!

ViveBene
May 11th, 2013, 10:11 PM
another record for the Fort
Way to go


Event 8 Women 50-54 50 Yard Backstroke
================================================== ================
NATL: 27.24 4/29/2012 LESLIE LIVINGSTON
Name Age Club Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Livingston, Leslie 51 GMUP 27.80 27.04

Congratulations, Fort! And on your HIT swimmer Melinda's achievements (my age group, so I am a bit more sensitive than usual).
:banana:
(I hope Creme Puff or her familiar also shows up at these things...)

knelson
May 12th, 2013, 12:55 AM
Just a quick note for those at Nationals. There's an airport bus that stops right across the street from the Marriott complex (on Washington Street) that's only $1.75. I had to take a cab in from the airport since I got in so late, but took the bus back yesterday. Be warned that it's just a normal city bus route, so it makes lots of stops, but still it only took about 40 minutes from the hotel to the airport. If you're cheap like me and not pressed for time it's definitely a good option. It's the number 8 bus and just make sure it says "airport." Apparently some of the #8 buses don't go all the way to the airport.

__steve__
May 12th, 2013, 02:07 PM
This might be a another NR from Fort. The 50 Fr:applaud:

7483

Jimbosback
May 13th, 2013, 12:04 PM
Had a great time at Nationals. My swims were only so-so, but 2 best times. Here's a couple of pics from the social with Jason Lezak and Emily Silver. The first one is me, the second is ekw (Ellen).

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/grouperman941/2013%20Nationals/7527d7dc-7964-4d3e-bda6-07947b800765_zps57c5b6a8.jpg


http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/grouperman941/2013%20Nationals/2ffa4d0a-f726-4a70-9804-e6bb91921461_zpsaa74ae4d.jpg

Water Rat
May 13th, 2013, 01:02 PM
Water Rat just threw down a great 200 free, confirming what readers of his blog know even though he doesn't, he trains for the 200 free.Hey Karl, thanks for the shout out. My first official one!

TRYM_Swimmer
May 13th, 2013, 02:17 PM
Event 12 Women 50-54 50 Yard Breaststroke
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NATL: 32.37 5/21/2010 BRIGITTE HEUER
Name Age Club Seed Finals
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1 Crouch, Kim 51 CMS 33.99 32.78
2 Livingston, Leslie 51 GMUP 33.58 32.80

She keeps getting closer! Even after all the previous bad mouthing, I predict The Fortress will soon be joining the zaniest, most sought after swimming fraternity: The TWEANs (Those Winning Evil At Nationals)

Great swim, Fort!

The Fortress
May 13th, 2013, 04:06 PM
Event 12 Women 50-54 50 Yard Breaststroke
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NATL: 32.37 5/21/2010 BRIGITTE HEUER
Name Age Club Seed Finals
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1 Crouch, Kim 51 CMS 33.99 32.78
2 Livingston, Leslie 51 GMUP 33.58 32.80

She keeps getting closer! Even after all the previous bad mouthing, I predict The Fortress will soon be joining the zaniest, most sought after swimming fraternity: The TWEANs (Those Winning Evil At Nationals)

Great swim, Fort!

Bah! Almost didn't sign up for the evil sprint. But while you're commenting, can you suggest ways to increase my turnover? I switched to a wider pull and now my turnover is too slow. I also have a ghastly wide kick, but I'm not sure I'm really willing to spend time working on it. I only do breast dolphin in practice. :-)

ekw
May 13th, 2013, 07:16 PM
Had a great time at Nationals. My swims were only so-so, but 2 best times. Here's a couple of pics from the social with Jason Lezak and Emily Silver. The first one is me, the second is ekw (Ellen).

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/grouperman941/2013%20Nationals/7527d7dc-7964-4d3e-bda6-07947b800765_zps57c5b6a8.jpg


http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/grouperman941/2013%20Nationals/2ffa4d0a-f726-4a70-9804-e6bb91921461_zpsaa74ae4d.jpg

:banana: Thanks for posting the picture! It will probably show up on my Christmas card this year. :carolers:

Water Rat
May 13th, 2013, 07:25 PM
Bah! Almost didn't sign up for the evil sprint. But while you're commenting, can you suggest ways to increase my turnover? I switched to a wider pull and now my turnover is too slow. I also have a ghastly wide kick, but I'm not sure I'm really willing to spend time working on it. I only do breast dolphin in practice. :-)two drills I like for a narrower kick, although I'm primarily a freestyler after this meet. :)
1) kick breaststroke on your back but don't let your knees break the plane of the water
2) kick breaststroke on your stomach, hands on your butt. kick your hands with your ankles

jaadams1
May 13th, 2013, 07:57 PM
two drills I like for a narrower kick, although I'm primarily a freestyler after this meet. :)
1) kick breaststroke on your back but don't let your knees break the plane of the water
2) kick breaststroke on your stomach, hands on your butt. kick your hands with your ankles

One drill we do that keeps the fast hands with a fast kick later is:

3 strokes fast (shooting the hands) with flutter kick, immediately into 1 stroke fast w/ breaststroke kick, then repeat.

I like it, the breaststroke kids hate it. :D

Jimbosback
May 13th, 2013, 11:09 PM
:banana: Thanks for posting the picture! It will probably show up on my Christmas card this year. :carolers:

The rest of my pics are here: http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/grouperman941/library/2013%20Nationals for anyone interested.
Mostly from the ballgame/social.

melinda
May 14th, 2013, 08:02 AM
L - did you see the video of that race? Seems to me your turnover and kick are just fine. This is the only race of yours that I've seen in which you did NOT come up from the dive AHEAD of the others. I think you would have had Kim if your dive/UW were your "normal".

what made you switch to a wider pull, btw?? This year, I tried to make my pull narrower!

The Fortress
May 14th, 2013, 10:11 AM
L - did you see the video of that race? Seems to me your turnover and kick are just fine. This is the only race of yours that I've seen in which you did NOT come up from the dive AHEAD of the others. I think you would have had Kim if your dive/UW were your "normal".

what made you switch to a wider pull, btw?? This year, I tried to make my pull narrower!

This was kind of a botched race for me. That's what happens when you rarely swim something. I dove in and streamlined for what seemed like forever, almost forgetting to take a dolphin kick. Brain fart. When I did, it was just a quick one. So, yeah, definitely, lost the race on the start. Though I managed to short stroke both walls as well. Completely different race than the technically perfect one I had at NE SCM Champs when I somehow set the record. Win some, lose some. I didn't fret over it, and Kim is very very fast.

I widened my pull because Teen Fort told me I was spinning when I swam the 50 evil at the Sprint Classic last fall. I've also heard widening the pull was how Eric Shanteau improved his breaststroke times. My kick looked pretty wide to me in the video. I think I need some coaching help to fix my breaststroke, somewhat hard when I train solo. And honestly, I think I'd rather work more on free, which I started doing more of this year with my shoulder better. But I will continue to fake the evil. Hey, I even did the 100 this year!

JimRude
May 14th, 2013, 10:42 AM
This was kind of a botched race for me. That's what happens when you rarely swim something. I dove in and streamlined for what seemed like forever, almost forgetting to take a dolphin kick. Brain fart. When I did, it was just a quick one. So, yeah, definitely, lost the race on the start. Though I managed to short stroke both walls as well. Completely different race than the technically perfect one I had at NE SCM Champs when I somehow set the record. Win some, lose some. I didn't fret over it, and Kim is very very fast.

I widened my pull because Teen Fort told me I was spinning when I swam the 50 evil at the Sprint Classic last fall. I've also heard widening the pull was how Eric Shanteau improved his breaststroke times. My kick looked pretty wide to me in the video. I think I need some coaching help to fix my breaststroke, somewhat hard when I train solo. And honestly, I think I'd rather work more on free, which I started doing more of this year with my shoulder better. But I will continue to fake the evil. Hey, I even did the 100 this year!

FWIW. I have always had a narrow kick. I try to imagine a tennis ball between my knees, so that the propulsion is back, rather than out/wide. I also do a lot of eggbeater kicking to work on foot speed. I have been trying to narrow my pull, based on feedback from Dr. G in Indy in 2009, figuring that the time it takes to sweep in/forward from a wider pull slows down my tempo. I want to get back into a streamlined position (ears between arms as the kick drives you forward - Ande's "ride the glide") as quickly as possible. YMMV.

SwimStud
May 14th, 2013, 11:47 AM
I also have a ghastly wide kick, but I'm not sure I'm really willing to spend time working on it. I only do breast dolphin in practice. :-)

I think you need to focus on throwing your hips forward. My coach said the one who wins is the one who gets their hips moving forward the fastest.

My time drops came after working on this. The punch will get your torso up and out at the right angle, and give you forward motion. I am not sure I connected with it at nats...but I'm not fully on yet.

IMHO the arms are not as important. I just anchor them, throw my hips into them (not pull back) get the recovery gone and kick back hard.

Not saying Teen fort is wrong, just that you should think about throwing your hips up vs pulling--anchor wider, perhaps, I'm going to tinker there myself.

PLUS, if you throw those hips up n forward your heels hit your butt and then you just roll your ankles out and kick n squeeze. No Whip.

As a natural short axis type, I believe you are pre-geared for this. You just have to find it.
I know you're great on BK but I think that's the anomaly from your loosey-goosey shoulders, not BR. ;)

TRYM_Swimmer
May 14th, 2013, 11:51 AM
Bah! Almost didn't sign up for the evil sprint. But while you're commenting, can you suggest ways to increase my turnover? I switched to a wider pull and now my turnover is too slow. I also have a ghastly wide kick, but I'm not sure I'm really willing to spend time working on it. I only do breast dolphin in practice. :-)

Not much I can add to the already good advice you've been given. I can just say that my favorite kicking drill is on the back, concentrating on keeping the knees together.

How did the forumite gathering go? I hope we can have one in MD next summer. I tentatively plan to go, even though I'll be at the very top of my age group.

ALM
May 14th, 2013, 12:37 PM
How did the forumite gathering go? I hope we can have one in MD next summer. I tentatively plan to go, even though I'll be at the very top of my age group.

The forumite gathering was GREAT, and we owe a big round of applause to Bobinator for organizing it. The restaurant was very nice and we were seated at one long table in the very back. We had a good group. What was really funny was when we were introducing ourselves to each other, at least three people all said, "I'm a lurker." Apparently there are a lot of people who read all of our posts but don't ever post themselves.

Non-lurking attendees included me, matysekj, ekw, SwimStud, Jimbosback, jamesaadams1, The Fortress, Bobinator, and probably a couple more that I've forgotten.

knelson
May 14th, 2013, 12:38 PM
I think you need to focus on throwing your hips forward. My coach said the one who wins is the one who gets their hips moving forward the fastest.

I've heard this advice several times and I must admit I don't get it. Perhaps that's why I suck at breaststroke!

smontanaro
May 14th, 2013, 12:56 PM
I've heard this advice several times and I must admit I don't get it. Perhaps that's why I suck at breaststroke!

Glad I'm not the only one (and I appear to be in excellent company, though the reverse can't be said for knelson). Can someone explain what the concept is, how to develop it, and what it should feel like?

SwimStud
May 14th, 2013, 02:07 PM
Glad I'm not the only one (and I appear to be in excellent company, though the reverse can't be said for knelson). Can someone explain what the concept is, how to develop it, and what it should feel like?

I will try to get a video made of me doing it...or at least my attempt. Here is a drill to help get the feel.

1) Push off wall in Superman streamline position (neutral head, arms shoulder width apart).

2) Force the hips forward so your torso raises, and the navel moves from facing the bottom to an end point facing the wall. Try not use your arms to pull, just let the hand naturally stay where they are as your body moves.

3) Do 3 thrusts like this then swim BR to the wall. Try to keep that core moving the same way.

Now if you get on with that when you swim think about anchoring the arms at the wide (subjective) part of the pull and bring your hips to the arms with the thrust outlined in drill above (think about holding the water like you would do in FR when you rotate and bring the recovery arm over).

Hope it helps. I'm not saying this is the WHY of some breakthroughs but I think it was a definite part of it. I guess it's like any other stroke, the core is doing the labour, the limbs are the gearing for want of a better analogy.

SwimStud
May 14th, 2013, 02:08 PM
Kirk, you should have asked after my event...I had nothing else to do.

SwimStud
May 14th, 2013, 02:11 PM
The forumite gathering was GREAT, and we owe a big round of applause to Bobinator for organizing it. The restaurant was very nice and we were seated at one long table in the very back. We had a good group. What was really funny was when we were introducing ourselves to each other, at least three people all said, "I'm a lurker." Apparently there are a lot of people who read all of our posts but don't ever post themselves.

Non-lurking attendees included me, matysekj, ekw, SwimStud, Jimbosback, jamesaadams1, The Fortress, Bobinator, and probably a couple more that I've forgotten.

I enjoyed try to inspire a new or re-birthing of an old favourite thread to keep Jim busy--I'm not sure anyone will do it...and I'm way to sensible to do that nowadays :)

Britt03
May 14th, 2013, 02:19 PM
to narrow the breaststroke kick, I kick with a pullbuoy. Put it right above the knees. It's overemphasizing it. But if you take it out after a 100 breaststroke your kick should be nice and narrow.
Regarding "throwing" the hips forward, think "push down". That helps me a lot. A good drill for active hip movement that helps me a lot is swimming breaststroke kick with alternating fly and breast arms. That drill combined with breast pull with flutter kick also improves bringing your arms faster forward into streamline position.
Those are my 2 favorite breaststroke drills (other than floating on my back pretending to be working on my breaststroke kick....)

fmracing
May 14th, 2013, 02:56 PM
This meet was a good learning experience for me. I learned how not to taper, lol.

Missed taper was apparent at about the 75yd mark of my 200 free when my legs went numb and I split +8sec on the 2nd 100. OUCH.
That one hurt mentally and physically.

I'm the reverse lurker. I'll flap my jaw on here, and then just kinda hang in the shadows in person. :)

knelson
May 14th, 2013, 05:27 PM
Kirk, you should have asked after my event...I had nothing else to do.

Your description helps. I'll try it next time I'm in the water.

Allen Stark
May 14th, 2013, 10:35 PM
So this thread is becoming the Breaststroke Lane.If you have a good fly or good undulation/core strength then the hip thrust can be very helpful.I think getting your navel facing forward is a bit far,you really don't want to have a lot of up and down movement,just enough to get your torso high enough to breath without raising your head.I fell like the power doesn't come from the hip thrust,but from the opposite motion as your shoot forward in the arm recovery and undulate in the other direction.

SwimStud
May 15th, 2013, 10:17 AM
I think getting your navel facing forward is a bit far,you really don't want to have a lot of up and down movement,just enough to get your torso high enough to breath without raising your head.

In reading Allen's post, I should have phrased my drill explanation better. Yes your torso should not be going vertical in the water when you swim but the drill is a bit of an "over exaggeration" to get that motion integrated in the stroke (a bit like over-kicking on fr) So in the drill you might get a little more vertical than needed in the actual stroke. Hope it helps. Any more questions let's direct them to the BR thread.

beprocton
May 15th, 2013, 01:07 PM
In response to a number of the topics in the thread. First of all, I believe that I identified myself as a "Forum Stalker" as opposed to a "Lurker". I'm trying to fix that by actually posting ... at least in the comments area. As for breaststroke, I'm having to re-learn the stroke. It came naturally to me prior to 2 knee and 1 shoulder surgeries (not to mention a dislocated shoulder along the way). I've been told to both narrow my kick and stroke. I'm attaching a video from Nationals ... that's me in lane 2 and I remember telling myself to do this on the fourth lap of the 100. And, as for dying, the ultimate in "die" is where I took my 200 free out way to fast (55 something ... fastest in my age group) and then seriously wondered whether I was going to make it through the last 75 yards of the swim ... that's me, out there in front and then sinking the rest of the way in the 200.
http://youtu.be/icqovECUCHU

Allen Stark
May 15th, 2013, 05:48 PM
In response to a number of the topics in the thread. First of all, I believe that I identified myself as a "Forum Stalker" as opposed to a "Lurker". I'm trying to fix that by actually posting ... at least in the comments area. As for breaststroke, I'm having to re-learn the stroke. It came naturally to me prior to 2 knee and 1 shoulder surgeries (not to mention a dislocated shoulder along the way). I've been told to both narrow my kick and stroke. I'm attaching a video from Nationals ... that's me in lane 2 and I remember telling myself to do this on the fourth lap of the 100. And, as for dying, the ultimate in "die" is where I took my 200 free out way to fast (55 something ... fastest in my age group) and then seriously wondered whether I was going to make it through the last 75 yards of the swim ... that's me, out there in front and then sinking the rest of the way in the 200.
http://youtu.be/icqovECUCHU
Good swim.Except for the last length it looked like you swam better each length after the first couple of strokes.I like your timing,at least until the last length where you started to overlap your kick and pull a little.From that angle I couldn't see how wide your kick and pull were.You keep your head too high and as a result you swim "up hill"a little and you have a straight arm on the turn instead of recovering the trailing arm close to your head,but all in all a really good swim.

Fresnoid
May 15th, 2013, 06:44 PM
So this thread is becoming the Breaststroke Lane.

The most horrifying threadjacking ever.:eek:

fmracing
May 16th, 2013, 08:00 AM
The most horrifying threadjacking ever.:eek:

It gets worse. I had a dream that I had signed up for 50 breast. I can only blame the deviation in this thread for that unfathomable thought.

beprocton
May 16th, 2013, 08:38 AM
Thanks for the feedback Alan. I've got a long way to go and any advice is appreciated. It seemed so easy when I was younger!

Allen Stark
May 16th, 2013, 11:33 AM
Thanks for the feedback Alan. I've got a long way to go and any advice is appreciated. It seemed so easy when I was younger!

It was easier when we were younger.

orca1946
May 16th, 2013, 01:40 PM
With breaststroke being my weakest, I was happy to earn a 5th place at National in the 400 IM.

Allen Stark
May 16th, 2013, 03:25 PM
With breaststroke being my weakest, I was happy to earn a 5th place at National in the 400 IM.

It is a good thing you mentioned breaststroke in your post or I'd have thought you were trying to un-hijack the thread.

Swimosaur
May 16th, 2013, 10:23 PM
Videos from nationals:

http://takeitlive.tv/liveswim/?page_id=3477

TRYM_Swimmer
May 17th, 2013, 08:54 AM
It was easier when we were younger.

+1!!

Bobinator
May 17th, 2013, 03:00 PM
Videos from nationals:

http://takeitlive.tv/liveswim/?page_id=3477

Thanks for posting this Swimosaur/!!

ande
July 25th, 2013, 11:45 AM
2013 Marriott U.S. Masters Swimming Summer National Championship (http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats13/)
Marguerite Aquatics Center, Mission Viejo, California
August 7 - 11, 2013
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