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TRYM_Swimmer
September 16th, 2013, 03:31 PM
Now that the convention is over, have the day-by-day schedules for the nationals been decided?

jim clemmons
September 29th, 2013, 07:55 PM
Now that the convention is over, have the day-by-day schedules for the nationals been decided?

2014 Spring Nationals Order of Events

Day 1
1000 free
1650 free

Day 2
400 IM
100 fly
50 free
200 back
100 breast
200 free relay (mixed)
200 medley relay

Day 3
500 free (women)
100 free
200 breast
100 IM
50 back
200 fly
200 free relay

Day 4
500 free (men)
200 medley relay (mixed)
50 breast
100 back
200 free
50 fly
200 IM

You'll note that this is a slight modification of the order of events listed on page 30 of Part 1 (Swimming Rules http://www.usms.org/rules/part1.pdf) from the USMS Rule Book. The Championship Committee and Meet Host felt that changing (swapping) the relays on Day 2 and Day 3 would better balance the meet length on the two referenced days.

pwb
September 30th, 2013, 11:53 AM
Thanks, Jim.

Now, looking ahead to 2015, here's San Antonio in construction
http://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Northside-ISD-Swim-1301246032-621x480.jpg

knelson
September 30th, 2013, 01:18 PM
Interesting. I didn't realize the San Antonio pool was going to be outdoors.

TRYM_Swimmer
September 30th, 2013, 01:23 PM
Thanks, Jim. Any idea when the MD schedule will be announced?

jroddin
September 30th, 2013, 02:16 PM
Thanks, Jim. Any idea when the MD schedule will be announced?

Please stay tuned. Perhaps by Oct 15.

sunruh
September 30th, 2013, 03:38 PM
Interesting. I didn't realize the San Antonio pool was going to be outdoors.

at convention Susan Ingram presented a slide show that demonstrated the possibility of 20 lanes outside and 20 lanes inside.
(the covered building just northwest of the outdoor pool is also an indoor 50m).

p.s. this is an old photo (says january 2013)...all construction is now done.

pwb
September 30th, 2013, 05:17 PM
p.s. this is an old photo (says january 2013)...all construction is now done.I just saw it on swimswam today (http://swimswam.com/san-antonio-discussion-2015-u-s-junior-nationals-u-s-open/) so thought it was up to date. Would love to see newer photos and/or that slide show. I've seen the Alamo and the Riverwalk, so I need a more compelling reason to visit San Antonio again; the construction photos look promising. Of course, I'd also love to see a spectator friendly OW race through the Riverwalk (along with some chlorine) for a really good reason to come out for Nationals -- the San Antonio Riverwalk Chute-Out anyone?

StewartACarroll
September 30th, 2013, 08:55 PM
I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.

pwb
September 30th, 2013, 10:34 PM
I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.
Well, Stewart, if it makes you feel better, 200 IMers seem to get the last event in the lineup at most Nationals. I've missed most of my 200 IMs at Nationals due to the need to fly home.

sunruh
October 1st, 2013, 08:31 AM
I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.

if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

100 fly
50 free
and
200 free
50 fly

thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.

knelson
October 1st, 2013, 09:51 AM
Yeah, but it's not like it's difficult to swim back-to-back events at Nationals. There's still plenty of time between events.

pwb
October 1st, 2013, 06:44 PM
if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

100 fly
50 free
and
200 free
50 fly

thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.Steve, I only see one event in there, the 200 free. I finally realize that your shoulder must really be bad if you've been reduced to considering 50s and 100s as actual events. :bolt:

jim clemmons
October 1st, 2013, 07:54 PM
if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

100 fly
50 free
and
200 free
50 fly

thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.

That's what us West Coasters refer to as efficiency.

Glenn
October 1st, 2013, 09:44 PM
That's what us West Coasters refer to as efficiency.

Sounds about right to me Jim. Think I'll show up on the last day and just do the 500, 200 free, 50 fly and 200 IM.

jroddin
October 2nd, 2013, 09:23 AM
Well, Stewart, if it makes you feel better, 200 IMers seem to get the last event in the lineup at most Nationals. I've missed most of my 200 IMs at Nationals due to the need to fly home.

Sounds like you need a new travel agent to book your travel a little smarter...:D

Just kidding. The reason the 200 IM is almost always on the last day is the result of a domino effect. There is a rule on the books that states the 400/500 free shall not be the day after the distance day. Which means the 400 IM is typically that next day. And since the 400/500 free's are now pushed to Sat and Sunday, that means the 200 free is always on Friday. With LC Nats not having the 100 IM, it typically gets inserted into Saturday for SC Nationals. Which leaves the 200 IM for Sunday. Perhaps we should see how many people actually do the 100/400 IM double and if it isn't very popular just have both of those on the same day (Friday).

Or get rid of the rule about the 400/500 free not being the day after the distance day. After all, some distance swimmers ask to do both long distance events on the same day; but they can't do the 400/500 free the next day??

Jeff

jroddin
October 2nd, 2013, 09:31 AM
For what it's worth, NQTs for Santa Clara are available here: 7956

Maryland NQTs are expected to be available in late December.

Jeff

pwb
October 2nd, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sounds like you need a new travel agent to book your travel a little smarter...:D

Just kidding.I know. It's probably just me, but it seems like I often end up having to be somewhere for work on the Monday after spring Nationals!

Given the option of keeping the 400 IM on Friday (which I love) and having the 200 IM on Sunday at the end, I'll always vote to have the 400 IM on Friday. It would just be nice if the 200 IM could be earlier some years on Sunday.

Also, as I'm not man enough to trash the rest of my meet by swimming either the 1000 or 1650 on the first day, I'll not suggest messing with any rules that the distance swimmers like.

Come to think of it, these days, I'm just not man enough to swim the 1000 or 1650 any day of any meet ;)

With all that said, I am really happy :agree: with the lineup. I just need one core event and one fun event each day and this lineup delivers it.

Chris Stevenson
October 2nd, 2013, 02:41 PM
Or get rid of the rule about the 400/500 free not being the day after the distance day.

That would get my vote, it is a rule that never made sense to me.

Britt03
October 3rd, 2013, 09:11 AM
I'm in the same boat for the 200IM. I missed it at Omaha because the last flight out that day was leaving. I was able to make my swim in Indy but had a car waiting out front and 10min after my swim, I was out the door to the airport. Definitely not how you want to swim your main race.
If I already have to take 5 days off for Nationals, I can't take another one everytime just to make the 200 IM.

orca1946
October 18th, 2013, 12:59 PM
From the pic, it looks as if it is only one pool? Am I missing something? This would make for a really long timeline!

StewartACarroll
October 19th, 2013, 12:16 PM
That would get my vote, it is a rule that never made sense to me.I agree with Chris on this one; seems like a strange rule.

knelson
October 20th, 2013, 12:29 PM
From the pic, it looks as if it is only one pool? Am I missing something?

Yes, it's a short course meet and the pool is 50 meters long, so they can have two (25 yard) courses with a bulkhead. Also it was mentioned there's also an indoor 50 m pool in the same complex.

jroddin
November 1st, 2013, 01:32 PM
Thanks, Jim. Any idea when the MD schedule will be announced?

They have been posted on the Nationals forum. Here is a direct link to the post/thread:
http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?22676-Nationals-2014-amp-2015-dates&p=292059#post292059

Jeff

TRYM_Swimmer
November 2nd, 2013, 11:28 AM
They have been posted on the Nationals forum. Here is a direct link to the post/thread:
http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?22676-Nationals-2014-amp-2015-dates&p=292059#post292059

Jeff

Thanks, Jeff! Looking forward to seeing old and new PV, MD, and VA friends!

Couroboros
February 10th, 2014, 03:45 AM
Just signed up for Santa Clara! I can't wait to see all of you there.

orca1946
February 16th, 2014, 10:02 PM
After the latest hip operation -- no Nats for me this year. Bummer!

BigBrad
July 7th, 2014, 01:41 PM
Any update on the actual schedule for Summer Nats in MD? I am local to the event and may have to work part of a day and then go to the pool to swim. I can't just hang around all day. I am burning up my vacation time at Worlds in Montreal the week before. So I need to know the estimated start times for each event. This affects what I sign up for and the deadline is coming soon. Any suggestions?

ganache
July 7th, 2014, 01:58 PM
Usually they do not issue a timeline until all of the entries are in. They estimate it off of the number of entries for each event and the entry times. You are sort of in a Catch-22, they probably won't give they information you need until after the entry deadline. Maybe someone can give a rough estimate based on who has entered so far.