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swoomer
May 7th, 2015, 07:54 PM
I've been watching and waiting for information regarding Long Course Nationals - particularly hotel information. I finally found a link on the Spire site to USMS hotels. As I began the process, I found this curious statement:


This is a "Stay to Play" tournament.
All teams are required to reserve a hotel room block through
Traveling Teams in order to participate in the tournament.



Does this mean that individuals are prohibited from booking their own rooms? Due to the lack of information, many of us have already booked rooms that meet our personal needs. Can someone clarify?

Sandi Rousseau
May 8th, 2015, 12:55 AM
This was a statement that was in our first proofs of the meet info about hotels. It is no longer accurate and has been taken out of the meet info in Swimmer magazine. Whatever it says on the Spire site does not apply to this meet and you can make your own reservations.

Also, please note ....this is the 2015 Summer nationals ...not 2016. :-)

swoomer
May 8th, 2015, 08:23 AM
It probably needs an edit, as it's under the USMS Logo, so it looks official. Thanks for your reply. And yes, I missed by a year!

jpetyk
May 8th, 2015, 10:54 AM
yeah, no worries. I booked my room through the Spire room block rate a couple of months ago as an individual.

Sandi Rousseau
May 8th, 2015, 11:51 AM
The meet directors are aware of this info on the Spire site now. Thanks for the heads up.

rxleakem
May 10th, 2015, 06:10 PM
What are convenient lodging options in the area?

mmlr38
May 10th, 2015, 06:56 PM
What are convenient lodging options in the area?
This might give you some good options:
http://www.usmsswimmer.com/201505/summernats2015preview.pdf

jpetyk
May 11th, 2015, 07:18 AM
What are convenient lodging options in the area?

There are also many bed and breakfast type places in "Geneva on the Lake." I know some folks have chosen that option when their kids are swimming at Spire. I have stayed at the Holiday Inn Express in the past, and it's a quick jaunt on the highway. That's where I'll be staying this year too.

rxleakem
May 11th, 2015, 09:36 PM
Thanks, guys. I am now 95% sure that I will make it out to my first Nationals meet this summer (for most likely 2 days), and I must have missed the Swimmer profile/preview. :thewave:

mmlr38
May 12th, 2015, 11:55 AM
I must have missed the Swimmer profile/preview. :thewave:
Have you received your May/June SWIMMER magazine yet? I haven't gotten mine yet. Funny thing was I had just went looking for when it would be released and found that article I linked to right before you made your post :)

Allen Stark
May 16th, 2015, 11:24 AM
I went to the Spire website to check for hotels.I tried 3 hotels and all said they had no availability.Any suggestions?

Kurt Dickson
May 16th, 2015, 08:43 PM
I went to the Spire website to check for hotels.I tried 3 hotels and all said they had no availability.Any suggestions?
Yeah kinda grim hotel situation. I got one at Residence Inn in Mentor. I think all the locals snapped up any close hotels (only 2 actually).

RobH
May 18th, 2015, 01:21 PM
When is the entry deadline? I don't see it posted anywhere.

Thank you

mmlr38
May 18th, 2015, 01:35 PM
When is the entry deadline? I don't see it posted anywhere.

Thank you
In the most recent SWIMMER magazine, it says: "Registration will open no later than May 15, 2015, and will close at midnight EDT on July 6, 2015."

But it's now the 18th of May and registration still isn't open yet. I'm guessing that the closing date of July 6th will remain the same though.

jroddin
May 18th, 2015, 04:23 PM
In the most recent SWIMMER magazine, it says: "Registration will open no later than May 15, 2015, and will close at midnight EDT on July 6, 2015."

But it's now the 18th of May and registration still isn't open yet. I'm guessing that the closing date of July 6th will remain the same though.

Correct, the closing date will remain July 6. I apologize for the delay in opening registration for this meet. We do not cap entries nor close out events, so please be patient until the system is available.

Here are some useless facts related to past entries: Santa Clara had 2249 swimmers entered in 2014 Spring Nationals. Over 800 swimmers, or more than a third, entered in the last 2 days. It took 5 weeks from entries opening to reach 800 swimmers.

My indirect point is the closing date is much more critical than when the entries open. I'm not trying to make an excuse. I do apologize for the delay and I am sorry that it is not open as promised. We are working on it and hope to have more information soon, including adding the meet information listed in the magazine to the website.

Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee

mmlr38
May 18th, 2015, 04:42 PM
Correct, the closing date will remain July 6. I apologize for the delay in opening registration for this meet. We do not cap entries nor close out events, so please be patient until the system is available.

Here are some useless facts related to past entries: Santa Clara had 2249 swimmers entered in 2014 Spring Nationals. Over 800 swimmers, or more than a third, entered in the last 2 days. It took 5 weeks from entries opening to reach 800 swimmers.

My indirect point is the closing date is much more critical than when the entries open. I'm not trying to make an excuse. I do apologize for the delay and I am sorry that it is not open as promised. We are working on it and hope to have more information soon, including adding the meet information listed in the magazine to the website.

Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee
No big deal Jeff! There's plenty of time between now and July 6th to register :)

I know you guys work hard at this stuff and I want to express my sincere gratitude for that work!

thewookiee
May 18th, 2015, 04:48 PM
[QUOTE=jroddin;306122]Correct, the closing date will remain July 6. I apologize for the delay in opening registration for this meet. We do not cap entries nor close out events, so please be patient until the system is available.

Here are some useless facts related to past entries: Santa Clara had 2249 swimmers entered in 2014 Spring Nationals. Over 800 swimmers, or more than a third, entered in the last 2 days. It took 5 weeks from entries opening to reach 800 swimmers.


Mr. Roddin,

Thank you for all your hard work. We greatly appreciate all your efforts.

Wookiee

jptak
May 20th, 2015, 02:25 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have been trying to resolve the hotel situation for Nationals. Some of the hotels may have that they are sold out online, however they do have rooms available. If you contact the hotels and mention that you are a participant for the Masters Nationals at SPIRE, you should be able to get a room in the block that is set aside for those partaking in this event. An example of this is Sleep Inn Austinburg with a large block of rooms set aside just for USMS Swimmers August 4-9.

A list of hotels can be found here: http://www.spireinstitute.org/travel/visitor_hotels

If you do have any issues feel free to contact me at jptak@spireinstitute.org and I can point you in the right direction.

Hope to see everyone in August!

Best,

Josh Ptak
Meet Director
SPIRE Institute

matysekj
May 21st, 2015, 11:18 AM
Online entry (http://www.usms.org/comp/onlineentry.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL) is now open for Summer Nationals, and running list of who is entered (http://www.usms.org/comp/meetentrants.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL) is also available. Don't make me swim this meet by myself!

Allen Stark
May 21st, 2015, 07:53 PM
I called Spire and they said that they had reserved blocks of rooms at the hotels,but that it had only just gotten finalized.They said to call the hotel.I did and booked at Sleep Inn.

Allen Stark
May 21st, 2015, 07:55 PM
Online entry (http://www.usms.org/comp/onlineentry.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL) is now open for Summer Nationals, and running list of who is entered (http://www.usms.org/comp/meetentrants.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL) is also available. Don't make me swim this meet by myself!

As of this moment,4 of 9 entries are men 65-69(including me.)

ElaineK
May 21st, 2015, 10:46 PM
A few tips for those attending Nationals in Ohio:

We were just in Cleveland on a road trip stop on the way up to Niagara Falls, Canada. Our only reason for stopping in Cleveland was to see the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. We went to the West Side Market in the morning and spent the remainder of the day at the Hall. I highly recommend both, especially the Hall if you are a rock fan like I am. We spent almost six hours there, and enjoyed every minute of it!

Make sure to save a day after competition to make the 35 minute drive from Spire to downtown Cleveland. Hit the West Side Market in the morning and spend the remainder of the day at the Hall. It was very cool! :wiggle:

mmlr38
May 22nd, 2015, 05:15 PM
Just signed up this morning! I was going to wait until after the Tualatin Hills LCM meet on June 6th, to see if I get a better seed time in the 400 IM and 200 fly, but I couldn't stand it any longer :D

And thanks for the tips on what to do while there, Elaine!

StewartACarroll
May 23rd, 2015, 06:24 PM
Despite my family not wanting to travel to the mid west for a swimcation I just signed up and found room at the holiday inn express. My wife is from the Midwest and try as I could, I could not get her to do a summer swim trip. I don't understand her choice of a beach vacation over the Spire Institute? Go figure non swimmers!!!! :afraid:

.......and I suspect if she reads this I will be in trouble for even bringing this up again!

sunruh
May 28th, 2015, 10:01 AM
Despite my family not wanting to travel to the mid west for a swimcation I just signed up and found room at the holiday inn express. My wife is from the Midwest and try as I could, I could not get her to do a summer swim trip. I don't understand her choice of a beach vacation over the Spire Institute? Go figure non swimmers!!!! :afraid:

.......and I suspect if she reads this I will be in trouble for even bringing this up again!

dear Mr. McRibs,
i offered you a fantastic alternative to cleveland, but oh no you poopooed that idea too. so enjoy a summer meet inside...at least the sun wont blind you on backstroke. Arnie and i will be going all "get to da choppa!" via Commando -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088944/?ref_=nv_sr_5

StewartACarroll
May 30th, 2015, 02:00 PM
dear Mr. McRibs,
i offered you a fantastic alternative to cleveland, but oh no you poopooed that idea too. so enjoy a summer meet inside...at least the sun wont blind you on backstroke. Arnie and i will be going all "get to da choppa!" via Commando -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088944/?ref_=nv_sr_5

i know it's easy to blame others but Colombia and Russia were no goes before I even asked. Enjoy the trip and have a great meet. Say hi to Arnie and I genuinely hope "You'll be back".

Kurt Dickson
May 30th, 2015, 08:01 PM
I genuinely hope "You'll be back".
He'll be back...with diarrhea. Columbia Unruh? You are adventurous. I can't imagine anyone with the coin, the will, and the cast iron stomach that will be required to go to and survive either Russia or Columbia. Good luck.

Jillian Wilkins
June 6th, 2015, 05:41 PM
I am at the national coaching clinic in Nashville this weekend and we have some questions from the coaches regarding hotels for the meet this summer at Spire. I guess the local hotels have been sold out since March, and now the closest rooms available are 45 minutes away. Do you have any recommendations for these coaches to find lodging closer? If so can we post this information in the website?
Thanks in advance.

mpmartin
June 7th, 2015, 12:17 PM
I called the Sleep Inn (6 miles away) and told them I was coming to the USMS nationals at the spire Inst. and I was able to book a room? I don't think they're all booked yet.

Allen Stark
June 7th, 2015, 12:17 PM
I am at the national coaching clinic in Nashville this weekend and we have some questions from the coaches regarding hotels for the meet this summer at Spire. I guess the local hotels have been sold out since March, and now the closest rooms available are 45 minutes away. Do you have any recommendations for these coaches to find lodging closer? If so can we post this information in the website?
Thanks in advance.

Try the hotels again,individually by phone.Evidently Spire had reserved blocks of rooms,but they were only open for us to get starting in late May. All I know is that I called Spire and they said they were sure the hotels had rooms and to call the hotels.I called Sleep Inn and told them what Spire said and they said"are you with USMS" I said yes and they said they had a block of rooms,but the contract wasn't complete, call back in a few days.I did and got a room.This was in late May.

sunruh
June 8th, 2015, 03:27 PM
He'll be back...with diarrhea. Columbia Unruh? You are adventurous. I can't imagine anyone with the coin, the will, and the cast iron stomach that will be required to go to and survive either Russia or Columbia. Good luck.

i've got at least 2 of those 3....ah but which 2? :D

pat2swim
June 23rd, 2015, 09:20 PM
Hotel and Air B&B selection is sparse. Are there any dorms (college campus) near the pool? Maybe they could set up temporary shelters as I don't feel like driving 24 miles to the nearest available hotel. Prices are steep too.

pat2swim
June 23rd, 2015, 09:35 PM
Getting into this too late as Sleep Inn when I called mentioning summer nationals is already sold out. Are there any dorms or temporary housing near Spire Institute? I don't think I could drive 24 miles to nearest hotel.

mrubacky
June 24th, 2015, 09:08 AM
I got a room yesterday at the Hampton inn in Ashtabul, which was one exit and about 7 miles from Spire.

DonBauer
June 26th, 2015, 04:11 PM
I got a room at Quail Hollow this afternoon ... 18 miles out.

jpetyk
July 8th, 2015, 12:01 PM
I wonder if the relative lack of close hotels impacted the registration this year. 911 seems low.

jroddin
July 8th, 2015, 12:10 PM
Psych sheets are now posted:
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats15/heats/

Meet Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/meetentrants.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Team Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/teamroster.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Swimmer Lookup: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/lookup.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL

Because of the 10-lane course, we will NOT drop the sixth event. All events 200 meters and up will be deck seeded, and all 50s and 100s will be preseeded. All seeding decisions will be announced soon. Heat sheets for preseeded events, as well as the estimated timeline, are expected to be posted on or about July 24.

Empty lanes can dampen competitive conditions and we'd like to avoid that when possible. Although we cannot offer any refunds, if you are absolutely certain you will not be swimming certain events (particularly the preseeded 50s and 100s), please let us know and you'll be removed from those events to cut down on empty lanes and provide for more competitive heats. If your travel plans prohibit you from swimming certain events please be considerate and let us know before we seed the meet. Please note that once we take you out of an event, we cannot put you back in. Scratches will be accepted through July 17. Please email scratches or entry errors to championship@usms.org.

Thanks,
Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee

jpetyk
July 8th, 2015, 12:49 PM
Awesome! That was fast, thanks!

mmlr38
July 8th, 2015, 12:54 PM
Yes, fast as always! Thanks Jeff!

ALM
July 8th, 2015, 04:44 PM
I wonder if the relative lack of close hotels impacted the registration this year. 911 seems low.

A list of all previous LC Nationals, with attendance, can be found in Appendix F of the USMS rule book:
http://www.usms.org/rules/appf.pdf

Recent meets and attendance:

2007, The Woodlands, Texas: 911
2008, Mt. Hood, Oregon: 1,131
2009, Indianapolis, Indiana: 1,150
2010, San Juan, Puerto Rico: 632
2011, Auburn, Alabama: 688
2012, Omaha, Nebraska: 1,257
2013, Mission Viejo, California: 1,393
2014, College Park, Maryland: 1,024
2015, Geneva, Ohio: 968

Allen Stark
July 8th, 2015, 06:01 PM
Psych sheets are now posted:
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats15/heats/

Meet Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/meetentrants.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Team Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/teamroster.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Swimmer Lookup: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/lookup.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL

Because of the 10-lane course, we will NOT drop the sixth event. All events 200 meters and up will be deck seeded, and all 50s and 100s will be preseeded. All seeding decisions will be announced soon. Heat sheets for preseeded events, as well as the estimated timeline, are expected to be posted on or about July 24.

Empty lanes can dampen competitive conditions and we'd like to avoid that when possible. Although we cannot offer any refunds, if you are absolutely certain you will not be swimming certain events (particularly the preseeded 50s and 100s), please let us know and you'll be removed from those events to cut down on empty lanes and provide for more competitive heats. If your travel plans prohibit you from swimming certain events please be considerate and let us know before we seed the meet. Please note that once we take you out of an event, we cannot put you back in. Scratches will be accepted through July 17. Please email scratches or entry errors to championship@usms.org.

Thanks,
Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee
I am assuming the 200s will be seeded by age group, right?

aquajock
July 8th, 2015, 08:23 PM
I'm very frustrated with that clause about no outside food or beverage. This isn't a movie theater, this is a competitive venue. All I "eat" when racing is energy gels, a sports drink and occasionally a handful of dry cereal. Am I really going to get banned from the facility for consuming things I know work for my digestive system?

swoomer
July 8th, 2015, 10:59 PM
I think you should do your own thing and not be intimidated by this statement. As long as you don't bring in a gigantic rolling cooler and keep your needs in your backpack, no one will be the wiser.If it turns out otherwise, we all will have a problem. Beg for forgiveness rather than asking for permission.

aquajock
July 8th, 2015, 11:29 PM
I am assuming the 200s will be seeded by age group, right?

Let's hope so. It really upsets me when I'm one of the top seeds in my age group and I get assigned an outside lane swimming against random people who aren't my age group competitors.

aquajock
July 8th, 2015, 11:32 PM
I think you should do your own thing and not be intimidated by this statement. As long as you don't bring in a gigantic rolling cooler and keep your needs in your backpack, no one will be the wiser.If it turns out otherwise, we all will have a problem. Beg for forgiveness rather than asking for permission.

This seems like good advice. Thanks.

jroddin
July 9th, 2015, 08:50 AM
Some people have asked about the 200s. Sorry, I should have said the "rest of" the seeding decisions will be announced soon:


Psych sheets are now posted:
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats15/heats/

Meet Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/meetentrants.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Team Roster: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/teamroster.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL
Swimmer Lookup: http://www.usms.org/comp/heats/lookup.php?MeetID=20150806LCNATSL

Because of the 10-lane course, we will NOT drop the sixth event. All events 200 meters and up will be deck seeded, and all 50s and 100s will be preseeded. All seeding decisions will be announced soon. Heat sheets for preseeded events, as well as the estimated timeline, are expected to be posted on or about July 24.

Empty lanes can dampen competitive conditions and we'd like to avoid that when possible. Although we cannot offer any refunds, if you are absolutely certain you will not be swimming certain events (particularly the preseeded 50s and 100s), please let us know and you'll be removed from those events to cut down on empty lanes and provide for more competitive heats. If your travel plans prohibit you from swimming certain events please be considerate and let us know before we seed the meet. Please note that once we take you out of an event, we cannot put you back in. Scratches will be accepted through July 17. Please email scratches or entry errors to championship@usms.org.

Thanks,
Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee



A list of all previous LC Nationals, with attendance, can be found in Appendix F of the USMS rule book:
http://www.usms.org/rules/appf.pdf

Recent meets and attendance:

2007, The Woodlands, Texas: 911
2008, Mt. Hood, Oregon: 1,131
2009, Indianapolis, Indiana: 1,150
2010, San Juan, Puerto Rico: 632
2011, Auburn, Alabama: 688
2012, Omaha, Nebraska: 1,257
2013, Mission Viejo, California: 1,393
2014, College Park, Maryland: 1,024
2015, Geneva, Ohio: 968

968 is the attendance figure at the moment, but isn't yet the final official count (refund deadline is Monday, so it could drop). If we go with 968, the historical average from 1990-2015 (excluding 2006 because of Worlds) is 1001. For stats lovers, the median is 1010, high is 1393, low is 632 and avg deviation is 157. So this meet's attendance is just about on par with what is to be expected for Summer Nationals and is nowhere from being an outlier (such as Auburn in 2011 with 688).

As an aside, Spring Nationals stats are as follows (also from 1990-2015): 1728 average, 1778 median, 2249 high, 1103 low, 234 average deviation.

Jeff

ElaineK
July 9th, 2015, 01:33 PM
I think you should do your own thing and not be intimidated by this statement. As long as you don't bring in a gigantic rolling cooler and keep your needs in your backpack, no one will be the wiser.If it turns out otherwise, we all will have a problem. Beg for forgiveness rather than asking for permission.
That's exactly what I was going to say to Susan. I have been in other venues that stated didn't allow outside food and drink (If I remember correctly, Montreal during the World Championships was one of them), and I just kept my personal food stash hidden. Just be discreet when you need to eat, and bring an empty water bottle in your swim bag. You could always fill it up at a drinking fountain and mix in some Hammer powder (or whatever you use).

jpetyk
July 9th, 2015, 02:04 PM
So this meet's attendance is just about on par with what is to be expected for Summer Nationals
Jeff

Thanks. Sorry for the annoying comment. I guess I was thrown by the three digit number (duh). :doh:

jroddin
July 9th, 2015, 02:37 PM
Thanks. Sorry for the annoying comment. I guess I was thrown by the three digit number (duh). :doh:

Whatever happened to "That Guy?" He would have posted and said there are about 1111001000 swimmers entered in the meet (in binary).:joker:

mmlr38
July 9th, 2015, 02:44 PM
That's exactly what I was going to say to Susan. I have been in other venues that stated didn't allow outside food and drink (If I remember correctly, Montreal during the World Championships was one of them), and I just kept my personal food stash hidden. Just be discreet when you need to eat, and bring an empty water bottle in your swim bag. You could always fill it up at a drinking fountain and mix in some Hammer powder (or whatever you use).
The same rule about "no outside food allowed" was stated for Spring Nats in San Antonio this year. A member from our team emailed the race director to clarify and they said exactly what swoomer said about not bringing in large coolers but keeping your own nutrition in your bag and not making a big production when you eat it.

Allen Stark
July 9th, 2015, 03:12 PM
Some people have asked about the 200s. Sorry, I should have said the "rest of" the seeding decisions will be announced soon:






968 is the attendance figure at the moment, but isn't yet the final official count (refund deadline is Monday, so it could drop). If we go with 968, the historical average from 1990-2015 (excluding 2006 because of Worlds) is 1001. For stats lovers, the median is 1010, high is 1393, low is 632 and avg deviation is 157. So this meet's attendance is just about on par with what is to be expected for Summer Nationals and is nowhere from being an outlier (such as Auburn in 2011 with 688).

As an aside, Spring Nationals stats are as follows (also from 1990-2015): 1728 average, 1778 median, 2249 high, 1103 low, 234 average deviation.

Jeff
Please seed by age group. The 200 BR 65-69 will be Jim Clemmons vs Robert Wright vs me.It could be epic,or it could be us trying to see the other guy 5 lanes over while the 3rd is in another heat.

mmlr38
July 9th, 2015, 03:29 PM
Please seed by age group. The 200 BR 65-69 will be Jim Clemmons vs Robert Wright vs me.It could be epic,or it could be us trying to see the other guy 5 lanes over while the 3rd is in another heat.
I vote for EPIC!

aquajock
July 9th, 2015, 04:37 PM
Please seed by age group. The 200 BR 65-69 will be Jim Clemmons vs Robert Wright vs me.It could be epic,or it could be us trying to see the other guy 5 lanes over while the 3rd is in another heat.

I totally agree. If I encounter slow to fast 200 seeding in nationals again, I'm going to stop entering 200s.

jroddin
July 9th, 2015, 04:51 PM
I totally agree. If I encounter slow to fast 200 seeding in nationals again, I'm going to stop entering 200s.

I think there is a Yogi Berra-ism here. If everybody stops entering 200s, then we can definitely seed them by age group...

aquajock
July 9th, 2015, 06:15 PM
I think there is a Yogi Berra-ism here. If everybody stops entering 200s, then we can definitely seed them by age group...

I want to race my competitors in championships. If accomplishing that means I will have to train for different events, so be it. At least my race experiences will be much more positive that way. It's very frustrating to be an older swimmer, yet fast for my age group and end up in lane 1 or 8, racing super fast people half my age and feeling not at all competent. I get out of the water feeling super frustrated and having no idea how I placed.

ElaineK
July 10th, 2015, 03:53 PM
Whatever happened to "That Guy?" He would have posted and said there are about 1111001000 swimmers entered in the meet (in binary).:joker:

Hey, I've been wondering the same thing for a long time! I think I'll send him a PM. The forums just aren't the same without That Guy! :sad:

Edit: I just sent him an e-mail.

swoomer
July 10th, 2015, 07:04 PM
I totally agree. If I encounter slow to fast 200 seeding in nationals again, I'm going to stop entering 200s.

While this doesn't really apply to me because I'm so old that I'll be in the first heat anyway, I can definitely support the notion that the 200's need to be seeded by age group first, to avoid empty lanes. Everyone deserves the lane they should swim in! Also in the name of the best competition, we should all be racing against our real competition. At an advanced age, I have no interest in swimming with slow 30-somethings. It is meaningless to me!

aquajock
July 11th, 2015, 12:24 PM
While this doesn't really apply to me because I'm so old that I'll be in the first heat anyway, I can definitely support the notion that the 200's need to be seeded by age group first, to avoid empty lanes. Everyone deserves the lane they should swim in! Also in the name of the best competition, we should all be racing against our real competition. At an advanced age, I have no interest in swimming with slow 30-somethings. It is meaningless to me!

It's nice to hear there are others out there share my sentiments. I have enough trouble getting decent times at local meets since there's mixed men and women. One large male sandbagger that swims next to me and has a real 50 time several seconds faster than me and my race is pretty much over after the dive. I go to nationals to see what I can do under more ideal conditions.

swoomer
July 11th, 2015, 08:08 PM
It's nice to hear there are others out there share my sentiments. I have enough trouble getting decent times at local meets since there's mixed men and women. One large male sandbagger that swims next to me and has a real 50 time several seconds faster than me and my race is pretty much over after the dive. I go to nationals to see what I can do under more ideal conditions.


Well, at least you know you won't have to swim with those men!

aquajock
July 12th, 2015, 11:04 AM
Well, at least you know you won't have to swim with those men!

That came out sounding like I can't stand swimming with guys, which isn't true at all. My regular lane mate is male and I have a blast swimming mixed relays. But seriously...when a 200 pound man dives in next to me on a fifty, it's like swimming in the ocean! Not too conducive to a PR.

jpetyk
July 12th, 2015, 01:49 PM
sometimes it's not even about getting the middle lane. In my case, swimming the 200 free against my own age group allows me to say I raced an Olympic gold medalist!

aquajock
July 12th, 2015, 08:26 PM
sometimes it's not even about getting the middle lane. In my case, swimming the 200 free against my own age group allows me to say I raced an Olympic gold medalist!

That would really be awesome!

jroddin
July 14th, 2015, 09:12 PM
The 50s and 100s will be preseeded, with the oldest age groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.

All 200 and 400 meter events will be deck-seeded, with the oldest age groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.

The 800 and 1500 freestyles will be deck-seeded slowest to fastest by entry time, regardless of age, men and women separate.

Therefore all events 200 meters and longer will be deck-seeded and require positive check-in. The men’s heats will precede women’s heats for each event (except the 400 freestyle, which will be on separate days).

The estimated timeline will be posted next week. But in summary, the meet is expected to end each day approximately as follows:
Thurs: 5:00pm
Fri: 5:00pm
Sat: 5:45pm
Sun: 4:15pm

Jeff Roddin
USMS Championship Committee

mmlr38
July 14th, 2015, 10:46 PM
All 200 and 400 meter events will be deck-seeded, with the oldest age groups first, slowest to fastest within each age group, men and women separate.
:applaud: Thanks Jeff!

rxleakem
July 15th, 2015, 10:36 PM
:applaud: Thanks Jeff!

I second the motion!

swoomer
July 18th, 2015, 07:01 PM
Thank you for the age-seeding in the 200's!

Allen Stark
July 18th, 2015, 09:43 PM
Thank you for the age-seeding in the 200's!

YES!!!!!!!!!!

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July 21st, 2015, 12:12 PM
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sl0429
July 22nd, 2015, 11:11 AM
Does anyone know if they will have the backstroke ledges for nationals at Spire this summer?? Hope so!!

jroddin
July 22nd, 2015, 01:48 PM
Does anyone know if they will have the backstroke ledges for nationals at Spire this summer?? Hope so!!

They are not available for 2015 Summer Nationals.

jroddin
July 22nd, 2015, 01:51 PM
An estimated timeline is now available for 2015 Summer Nationals. It is linked below and will be added to the Nationals site soon.

We usually aim to beat the timeline and not necessarily follow the timeline. Meaning if the heats get ahead of schedule we will not slow down to catch up.

Jeff

aquajock
July 23rd, 2015, 02:51 PM
An estimated timeline is now available for 2015 Summer Nationals. It is linked below and will be added to the Nationals site soon.

We usually aim to beat the timeline and not necessarily follow the timeline. Meaning if the heats get ahead of schedule we will not slow down to catch up.

Jeff

Are the 30 minute times for the competition pool to be open also estimates or firm?

aquajock
July 23rd, 2015, 02:52 PM
Thank you for the age-seeding in the 200's!

I am super thrilled about this!!!

jroddin
July 23rd, 2015, 03:39 PM
Are the 30 minute times for the competition pool to be open also estimates or firm?

Estimates. They will start immediately after the last heat of the 400 event and last 30 minutes, regardless of what the estimated timeline says.

matysekj
July 23rd, 2015, 03:42 PM
Heat sheets for the preseeded events (50's and 100's) have been added to the heat/psych page for this meet. http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats15/heats/

jroddin
July 24th, 2015, 11:40 AM
If you are entered in the meet, you have been receiving the pre-meet emails (unless you've opted out of receiving them). If you are a coach and not entered in the meet, please note you may view these emails on the Meet Page under the section Nationals Update Emails to Participants:

http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats15/

Jeff

StewartACarroll
July 29th, 2015, 05:07 PM
Myself and one of my team got notification yesterday that the spire institute had cancelled our room reservation we made through there website back in April. We have been scrambling to find an alternate room but wondered if anyone else hit the same issues?

Allen Stark
July 29th, 2015, 09:09 PM
Myself and one of my team got notification yesterday that the spire institute had cancelled our room reservation we made through there website back in April. We have been scrambling to find an alternate room but wondered if anyone else hit the same issues?

That is terrible,did they have an explanation?

jptak
July 30th, 2015, 10:22 AM
Hi Stewart and Allen,

I apologize for this. The agency Traveling Teams had cancelled all reservations that were booked through them. SPIRE is no longer associated with this group as we have decided it was in the best interest of both parties to part ways. Please contact Mike Miller at mmiller@spireinstitute.org with the emails confirming your room and canceling your room and he will make sure you have a room to stay in for the event.

Best,

Josh Ptak
SPIRE Institute


That is terrible,did they have an explanation?

MPohlmann
July 30th, 2015, 11:22 AM
That's terrible to get notice of this at such a late date. I'm certainly glad I made my own reservation rather than going through Spire. Hope other promises are kept. Finding housing has probably been the worst part of this nationals experience so far.

jpetyk
July 30th, 2015, 02:11 PM
This really sucks and and email should be sent to everyone attending this meet.:bitching: I did not get such a notification, but having seen this post decided to call the Holiday Inn to confirm my reservation. They don't have it!!! I made my reservation January 27 to avoid this headache. :censor: I am now waiting for the manager to call me back. We are a week out. What are we supposed to do????

Edit: My teammate just checked on his reservation and is without a room too. I suspect a giant disaster is in the making.

magick17
July 30th, 2015, 02:58 PM
This really sucks and and email should be sent to everyone attending this meet.:bitching: I did not get such a notification, but having seen this post decided to call the Holiday Inn to confirm my reservation. They don't have it!!! I made my reservation January 27 to avoid this headache. :censor: I am now waiting for the manager to call me back. We are a week out. What are we supposed to do????

Edit: My teammate just checked on his reservation and is without a room too. I suspect a giant disaster is in the making.
Omg are you serious?!? This is a huge issue

magick17
July 30th, 2015, 03:00 PM
Hi Stewart and Allen,

I apologize for this. The agency Traveling Teams had cancelled all reservations that were booked through them. SPIRE is no longer associated with this group as we have decided it was in the best interest of both parties to part ways. Please contact Mike Miller at mmiller@spireinstitute.org with the emails confirming your room and canceling your room and he will make sure you have a room to stay in for the event.

Best,

Josh Ptak
SPIRE Institute

does spire have rooms on their property? Don't you guys host resident camps, etc?
could you open the dorms?
SPIRE High School boarding students will live at Andrews Osborne Academy (AOA). AOA’s seven dormitories are large homes housing between eight to twenty-four boarders. Staff members living in the dorms are responsible for the security, health and well being of boarders. In overseeing the daily life in the dorms, they keep boarders on schedule for school, training and account for their whereabouts while at AOA, and coordinate the boarders’ needs with school staff, SPIRE training staff and parents. While the majority of dorm rooms house two students, there are a few that hold three or four. Bathrooms are shared. - See more at: http://www.spireinstitute.org/education/dorms#sthash.CAOAMMMp.dpuf

jpetyk
July 30th, 2015, 04:39 PM
Mike from Spire is calling everyone who has been affected personally. He is bending over backwards to make things right.

I apologize for my panic earlier, :chillpill: but I'm sure you all understand. I thought I was being smart, booking a hotel in January (5 minutes away) and now we will be in a nicer hotel, but it's 30 minutes away from the venue. :badday:

StewartACarroll
July 30th, 2015, 09:04 PM
I have been traveling and one of my team mates helped me out by taking care of this. We have rooms but apparently we are now 30 minutes away from the aspire which was why I booked early and booked close. Oh well, it could have been worse and the positive is there are rooms still available. I have one team mate who found out today She has lost her room also and I wonder who else has yet to be notified. I understand these things can happen and I unfortunately had a similar thing happen at worlds in Montreal last year and everything worked out....I am staying positive and putting this down to, these things can happen. Apparently the Spire people were very appogetic and very helpful!

rxleakem
July 31st, 2015, 10:17 PM
I didn't book through Spire, but called to check on my reservations today just to be sure
;)

ElaineK
August 4th, 2015, 09:32 PM
Good luck to all of you Forumites who are competing at Nationals! King Frog, I hope you break another World Record! :banana: :cheerleader:

knelson
August 6th, 2015, 10:15 AM
I was looking at the psych sheets today and thought this seeding in the M45-49 800 free was interesting:
3 Rubacky, Mark S 46 NCMS 9:52.16
4 Rubocki, John S 45 SAWS 10:09.51

The big Rubacky vs. Rubocki duel! :)

Rob Copeland
August 6th, 2015, 01:28 PM
Congratulations to Marty Hendrick and Katie Uppfalt for winning the closest to seed time award in the 800 Free. Marty was 0.39 seconds off his seed time and Katie missed hers by 0.47. They have 30 minutes to find Rob Butcher to claim their new cars. :bliss:

ElaineK
August 6th, 2015, 02:03 PM
Where is the link for results? I don't see it with the other links on the Nationals page like I usually do. :confused:
http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php?utm_campaign=top_nav&utm_medium=events_and_results

Is there no live streaming this time?

matysekj
August 6th, 2015, 02:21 PM
Where is the link for results? I don't see it with the other links on the Nationals page like I usually do. :confused:
http://www.usms.org/comp/nationals.php?utm_campaign=top_nav&utm_medium=events_and_results

Is there no live streaming this time?

These links have all been there in the "In This Section" block in the nationals area for a few days. I'll add text on the body of the page also.

9846

ElaineK
August 6th, 2015, 04:18 PM
These links have all been there in the "In This Section" block in the nationals area for a few days. I'll add text on the body of the page also.

9846

​Thanks, Jim! :applaud:

knelson
August 6th, 2015, 05:32 PM
W35-39 1500 free:
1 George, Heidi 39 UC38 17:23.46 17:17.22

Wow! This is a new World Record, by the way.

Allen Stark
August 9th, 2015, 03:34 PM
Thank you to everyone at Spire and all others responsible for putting on a very well run Nationals. Well done.

waves101
August 10th, 2015, 01:50 PM
Yes, it was a blast. Very well run meet.

mrubacky
August 10th, 2015, 02:21 PM
I was looking at the psych sheets today and thought this seeding in the M45-49 800 free was interesting:
3 Rubacky, Mark S 46 NCMS 9:52.16
4 Rubocki, John S 45 SAWS 10:09.51

The big Rubacky vs. Rubocki duel! :)


We caught up before the big swim and we believe we might be related in some way. John won the duel by the way.

rxleakem
August 10th, 2015, 11:32 PM
While in the area I saw fliers asking for volunteers, so the community really came in to help the meet. Well run with folks happy to welcome Masters to the region, and a fast pool. Thanks for a great Nationals!

jpetyk
August 11th, 2015, 11:06 AM
Lodging woes aside, this meet was exceptionally well run. Thanks to all who were involved in making it a success :applaud:(and to the EMT who fetched my inhaler!:blush:)