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donkep
October 16th, 2016, 02:20 PM
Hi, I'm 5'8 and I swim at a 25 yard pool. I can swim 1,800 yards in 42 minutes. Swimming freestyle, my right hand enters the water 12 times per length. I have read (http://www.totalimmersion.net/) that I should do 25 yards with 18 strokes (or 9 right hand entries) per length. What is the best way to reduce my strokes per length? Thanks! Don

craiglll@yahoo.com
October 17th, 2016, 11:24 AM
How old are you? Age and flexibility are important factors with number of strokes.

Jimbosback
October 17th, 2016, 01:17 PM
Work on: catch, kick, streamline, and rotation. Not necessarily in that order. In other words, refine your stroke to be more efficient.

A coach would probably help a lot.

sunruh
October 17th, 2016, 02:00 PM
don,
yes do stroke drills to improve your effeciency.
like the "zipper", "finger tip drag" and "catchup"

steve GO HOGS GO
ps my name is in the sidewalk over by grad-ed and the library
and on the wall in hyper

donkep
October 17th, 2016, 06:52 PM
I'm 64 but I think I'm fairly flexible

donkep
October 17th, 2016, 06:54 PM
Thanks, Jim! I'd love to find a coach that I could work with here in NW Arkansas, Fayetteville area

donkep
October 17th, 2016, 06:56 PM
Thanks, Steve! I'll check out those drills & I'll look for your name!

Sumorunner
October 17th, 2016, 07:16 PM
I'd like to be able to do as well, so I have engaged a coach. We'll see in a few weeks if it does any good. I'm older, 68, and shorter, 5'5". If I do quick 50yd repeats, just under 60 seconds, I'm taking 15 strokes with a stroke length over 1.6. Doing easy warmup or distances from 500-2000 yds, I do 18 strokes with a stroke length between 1.2 and 1.4.

guppy
October 17th, 2016, 07:28 PM
I'd like to be able to do as well, so I have engaged a coach. We'll see in a few weeks if it does any good. I'm older, 68, and shorter, 5'5". If I do quick 50yd repeats, just under 60 seconds, I'm taking 15 strokes with a stroke length over 1.6. Doing easy warmup or distances from 500-2000 yds, I do 18 strokes with a stroke length between 1.2 and 1.4.

Watch Sun Yang videos.

ForceDJ
October 17th, 2016, 08:21 PM
Where is your hand entering the water at the end of recovery? Are you getting full extension? Make sure your hand is entering the water out in front of your head and isn't entering the water close to your head...and then being pushed out to full extension under water. That's counter-productive. On your pull, pull all the way through. Don't flail when your hand is below your hip. Think about feeling your hand bush past your thigh and pull all the way.

Dan

Sojerz
October 17th, 2016, 10:12 PM
I addition to working on stroke efficiency, how is your kick; and how good are you walls - udk, and breakout; how often are you breathing; and are you up on top of the water with your head down. I'm 67 and 5'-9", doing about 18 strokes per length and swimming about 10k yds per week. 23-24 strokes isn't too bad, but you can work it down. Make sure you take 3 underwater dolphin kicks off the wall at least in the short stuff and try to be as streamlined as possible on EVERY turn. Get your kick going at least 6 beats or more per cycle and don't breathe every stroke when you are working on distance per stroke (DPS) or stroke count. Be sure your body is properly aligned, up high in the water with your head down and eyes looking at the bottom.

Try doing these things for one length at a time and keep concentrating on each of them until they are instinctive. You may not be able to get down to where some younger swimmers are (12s or lower), but I think 15 for 25 scy is achievable and maybe better even if you are 60+. Also, remember that your stroke count goes up when you are sprinting.

Cacturne
October 18th, 2016, 10:55 PM
I second. Finding a professional is better than watch dvds.

Mark Usher
October 19th, 2016, 10:33 AM
I spot-check my SPL occasionally, maybe a couple times a week, but don't obsess about it all the time. I focus more on getting a good extension and catch. I'm 5'-7" with short arms and do about 9-10 full stroke cycles per 25 yards (18-20 individual arm strokes). I normally do two dolphins off the wall and don't breathe on the first stroke when I breakout. When sprinting my SPL goes up to around 12.