View Full Version : My odd kicks

November 26th, 2016, 10:42 AM
When it comes to the 'other' strokes I'm not much of a swimmer. I can swim them, but for my pool workouts I have pretty much always just been a crawl stroker for open water swimming, and general fitness. But several months ago, for whatever reason, I decided that I wanted to start swimming the other strokes a little more...particularly butterfly. I can swim it, but OMG it takes a lot out of me to just complete 50 meters. So I began adding a little bit to my workouts. Usually something like 400-800 of IM, in some cases that much all in butterfly intervals. But, I've also never had much of a kick with regard to any stroke. So I decided to compare the four kicks by time. My findings have me a bit baffled. I mean I've always known that my free-flutter kick is essentially nonexistent...I really almost don't move. But for some reason on my back I do. Fly and breast I just really had no idea. So here are my times for a 25 meter kick, using a kickboard, for the four (try not to laugh):

Butterfly - 0:48
Back - 0:50
Breast - 0:35
Free - 0:58

Obviously my times for the full stroke would be much faster. I just didn't think that my backstroke flutter kick would be faster than front crawl flutter. Why? And why is my breaststroke kick so much faster than the rest? Thoughts, comments?


November 26th, 2016, 12:04 PM
Kick speed versus swim speed baffles me as well.
Swimming, most to least competitive: bk > fr >> br ~ fl.
Kicking, fastest to slowest: br >>> fr ~ fl* > bk.
What's that all about?

Bk kick is really a struggle for me, but it feels quite strong when I am actually swimming backstroke, and I've had coaches agree with this assessment.

My br kick is actually not that much slower than my br stroke.

*fly kick on back no board. With a board on my front my fly kick is by far the slowest, maybe 2:20 for a 100.

November 30th, 2016, 09:10 AM
Not for me. My breast (when I could do it) was second only to my fly - on my back or stomach, followed by free then back. But then, I drown when doing backstroke. . . .

November 30th, 2016, 01:18 PM
We have had this discussion on our team many times. Some of us have very powerful freestyle kicks but barely move if we flip over to our backs, and vice versa. Br kick seems to be one of those movements that if you can master it you move, and same with butterfly. Try having your coach watch each one or even better, video it so you can slow it down and see where you are loosing power on your kicks. Many of our tri/ runner team mates found that they have inefficient freestyle kicks by watching and comparing their foot positions on the various kicks.