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quicksilver
March 2nd, 2017, 04:18 PM
This new study says that one in five people relieve themselves in the pool. Both Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps were questioned, and replied that they do it all the time. Lochte says that the pool "is the biggest and most expensive toilet of all time, and it's all mine".

Our youth program has more than a dozen swimmers with inhalers on deck, 9 kids had pneumonia at the same time, and many masters have had their fare share of sinus infections. The health risks almost seem to outweigh the benefits of our sport at times.

Just curious if this is really as widespread as they say. ...Without admitting to be a pool pisser, how many of you are aware of this practice, and how can we make it stop?!

link to study (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/urine-swimming-pool_us_58b710c6e4b023018c6c528a)


Researchers estimated that over the 3-week period, swimmers released 7.92 gallons of pee into the smaller pool, and nearly 20 gallons into the larger one.


Common or not, peeing in the pool isnít so harmless. When uric acid in human urine mixes with chlorine, a toxic compound called cyanogen chloride and trichloramine is formed. CNCI can harm the central nervous system, the lungs and the heart, while NCI3 has been associated with acute lung injury.






(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/urine-swimming-pool_us_58b710c6e4b023018c6c528a)

knelson
March 2nd, 2017, 06:35 PM
So disgusting. I wish more people would recognize this is not acceptable.

Jimbosback
March 2nd, 2017, 06:37 PM
This new study says that one in five people relieve themselves in the pool. Both Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps were questioned, and replied that they do it all the time. Lochte says that the pool "is the biggest and most expensive toilet of all time, and it's all mine".

Our youth program has more than a dozen swimmers with inhalers on deck, 9 kids had pneumonia at the same time, and many masters have had their fare share of sinus infections. The health risks almost seem to outweigh the benefits of our sport at times.

Just curious if this is really as widespread as they say. ...Without admitting to be a pool pisser, how many of you are aware of this practice, and how can we make it stop!!

link to study (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/urine-swimming-pool_us_58b710c6e4b023018c6c528a)









(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/urine-swimming-pool_us_58b710c6e4b023018c6c528a)


Not only do I not do it, I Can't do it. A few times, I have resigned myself to the idea only to get stage fright.

No one where I swim admits to it.

ForceDJ
March 2nd, 2017, 10:36 PM
When uric acid in human urine mixes with chlorine, a toxic compound called cyanogen chloride and trichloramine is formed. CNCI can harm the central nervous system, the lungs and the heart, while NCI3 has been associated with acute lung injury.


So we'd be safe if pools stopped chlorinating the water!?!?!

Dan

quicksilver
March 3rd, 2017, 07:15 AM
So we'd be safe if pools stopped chlorinating the water!?!?!

Dan

Believe it or not yes. Good for Laundry, bad for bathing.

Chlorine is a toxin, and there's not just a small amount of it in any given pool. When it binds with bacteria, chloramine levels can soar, and this is known for causing lung damage, and even cancer. If you walk in a facility that stinks like Chlorox, you can be absolutely sure that it's a literal petri dish.

It's a huge business, pulling in well over $40 billlion dollars a year, and this in itself could be why there's not a big shift to change the way its always been done. ....Ionization for example is becoming much more widespread in new facilities and in system change-overs.

ForceDJ
March 3rd, 2017, 08:36 AM
Believe it or not yes. Good for Laundry, bad for bathing.

Understandably. I was only sort of half kidding. But it's too bad that the (water in the) pools we swim in can't be cleaner. There's a municipal swimming pool in Green Cove Springs, FL (few miles south of Jacksonville) that I've always thought is just the coolest idea. It's not a lap swimming pool...but it could be. The water in it is continuously replenished at the rate of about 3000 gallons per minute. I guess you could say that the pool actually has a current. But it's fed from the adjacent spring (see attached picture). On the far side of the pool is a spillway where the excess water runs out and down to the nearby St. John's River. As far as I know...the water isn't, or doesn't need to be treated at all (I guess they couldn't let it run down to the river if it was). Apparently the only drawback is the everpresent odor of sulfur.

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This pool is located next to the spring that the town is named for, where a continuous flow of 78 degree water keeps the pool filled for swimmers to enjoy. Water is directed out from the spring via a small channel into the pool, and eventually flows out the other side, continuing through a small stream to the St. John's River. http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2V85_Green_Cove_Springs_City_Pool_Green_Cove_Spr ings_FL

Dan

quicksilver
March 3rd, 2017, 08:54 AM
Very cool Dan. ...your reply was never seen as snarky by the way! Thankfully the forum has very few memberswho feel the need. :)

anyway...What a really neat pool, and an incredible healthy way to avoid the bad side effects of chemicals. ...Not to digress, but this one is my favorite. ...and I don't think they'd ever have this problem whatsoever!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LycwxQq-Dlw

sunruh
March 3rd, 2017, 09:19 AM
think about this:

800 kids jump in the pool
all of them wiz a full quart (not that they can but an easy number to use)
800x1qt = 200gal

50m x 8lane pool is about 500,000gal
200gal vs 500,000.

it litterly is a drop in the bucket

knelson
March 3rd, 2017, 10:41 AM
it litterly is a drop in the bucket

It may seem insignificant, but it's not. Did you read the article? Especially the article linked at the bottom.

I've heard about many meets--including national level meets--where the air quality was so bad people had trouble breathing. The ventilation system is usually blamed, but the fact is if no one ever peed in the pool the problem would immediately disappear. Chloramines are bad.

sunruh
March 3rd, 2017, 11:46 AM
and i was using an example that is beyond the human ability

yes and all of those meets you reference pale in comparison to '12 worlds in italy. where 4500 men swam in the inside pool in a single day
and their ventalation wasnt that great

DeniseMW
March 3rd, 2017, 12:22 PM
I don't understand this dispute. Why is it so danged hard to get out of the pool to pee? Most pools have the rules clearly posted and they say, don't pee in the pool. It's disgusting. Yes, I know there are a lot of bad habits and rude people. But geez, guys, how hard is it to pull your suit aside to pee in the toilet? Master's swimmers should be the leaders in pool etiquette. It doesn't matter how little or how much pee is in the pool, if you're the one getting a mouthful, or a face full, it's icky and it's rude. And yeah, it would be nice if pools didn't use chlorine, but until they build them with less noxious chemicals, we don't need to further pollute the water we swim in with with human waste.

quicksilver
March 3rd, 2017, 12:54 PM
think about this:

800 kids jump in the pool
all of them wiz a full quart (not that they can but an easy number to use)
800x1qt = 200gal



The sad part is...this equation absolutely holds true according to the study.

The gross part is, that back in the tech suit days, many a masters swimmer (and age groupers) admitted to adding more warmth to the warm down pool rather than grappling with their suit.

We have a huge facility for our meets which is a ten lane 50 meter (with a diving tank) ....Even though it may seem like a drop in the bucket, it's hard to imagine the equivalent of 4 or 5 oil barrels (of pee) being dumped into the water. The off gassing of the chlorine was always brutal at this place, and no wonder everyone had a cough or itch after a weekend long meet.

sunruh
March 3rd, 2017, 04:06 PM
yes but at the same time

do you mind the 200gal of muratic acid in the pool?

what about the 5lbs of bug guts?

how many gals of body oil?

how many gals of body sweat?

how many pound of leaves and trash? mine has it and its indoors! (we open the garage doors)

how much hair? a single hair across my face freaks me out!

how many band-aids?

all of these will generate the cloramines.
its what the chlorine is there for to begin with

and denise...its mostly kids...my masters buddy that has a girl that swims..his daughter said all of the girls sit in the gutter and go.

knelson
March 3rd, 2017, 04:53 PM
I'd say you control the things you can control. Bird poop, leaves, etc. are things you can't really control in an outdoor pool. Human urine definitely is. Although I'll admit I never shower immediately before swimming so maybe I'm just as guilty as the pool pee-ers!

ForceDJ
March 3rd, 2017, 11:04 PM
You can't control bird poop nor any other animal's excrement in lakes, ponds, rivers, or ocean waterfronts either. But we all swim in those.

I've heard other swimmers comment that they're more concerned about what comes OFF other peoples' bodies in the pool than what comes OUT of their bodies. Hair products, make-up, perfume/cologne, deodorant, hand/body lotions, un-wiped poop (sorry but it's a fact), hand grime, foot powder, toe cheese, fabric dyes and softener from those who launder their swimsuits, etc. What does all that stuff do when it combines with chlorine?



Dan

orca1946
March 4th, 2017, 12:10 PM
Sit in the gutter and go ?!!! Does the coach - life guards see & tolerate this?? Something is seriously wrong!

smiley92407
March 4th, 2017, 08:47 PM
This probably explains why I cough so much when I am working out with my team, and not so much at 24 Hour Fitness. There are a lot of kids in that big pool as opposed to none at 24 Hour Fitness. Thanks, now I can tell them to stop peeing. I could scare them and bring my pool test kit and tell them it will turn a certain color if there is pee in it. Of course nobody has to know that I am manipulating the results to make them believe it. The pee pool dye is a myth.

sunruh
March 5th, 2017, 09:34 AM
Although I'll admit I never shower immediately before swimming so maybe I'm just as guilty as the pool pee-ers!

i never have and never will.
i probably have enough dried chlorine on my skin to sanatize a glass of water right now

if you dont sweat chlorine, you aren't swimming enough!!!