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smchenry2014
April 11th, 2017, 03:00 PM
Swimswam had an interesting article about new events FINA has requested be added to the schedule for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. The additions would be as follows:



Menís 800m Freestyle
Womenís 1500m Freestyle
Mixed 400 Medley Relay
Mixed 400 Freestyle Relay
50s in each stroke for both men and women

Admittedly it seems very ambitious and it's highly unlikely FINA will get everything it wants, but it's still worthy of discussion. What are everone's thoughts on this proposed schedule?

smchenry2014
April 11th, 2017, 03:01 PM
Almost forgot, here's the link to the story: https://swimswam.com/fina-proposes-event-additions-tokyo-2020/

sunruh
April 11th, 2017, 03:14 PM
they would have to reshuffle the order of events around a LOT to add in the M800 and W1500. the 1/2 mile for men and mile for women would be a nice addition for long distance people.

my guess is that the 50s of each stroke will be the only events to make it in.
splash
dash
cash
of each stroke. broad appeal for viewers on tv
takes little extra time at both trails and games.
yes it messes with the order or events but hey be a sprinter and make the team!
possibly 6 new team members for stroke 50s vs 2 for distance

smchenry2014
April 11th, 2017, 03:18 PM
Most of the reaction I've seen has been virulently against adding the mixed relays, 50/50 on adding the 50s (he he), and broader support for essentially swapping out the W800 for the W1500 instead of adding two extra distance events.

Glenn
April 11th, 2017, 03:39 PM
I love the idea of mixed relays! With different teams haveing their swimmers in a different order, the lead changes would be dramatic and make for very exciting viewing for the average Olympics TV viewer.

Yes on splash and dash for all strokes as these races would be quick and exciting!

I like swapping the women's 800 for the 1500.

Allen Stark
April 11th, 2017, 08:17 PM
I like all of them,but if I only got one, it would be swap the women's 800 for the 1500.

knelson
April 11th, 2017, 09:18 PM
My opinion is to swap the women's 800 for the 1500 and leave everything else the way it is now.

Sojerz
April 12th, 2017, 08:17 AM
I think the relays and the 50s would be great additions and exciting to watch. A men's 800 or 1,000 would be great for the distance swimmers and adding a women's 1500 is long over due (they stopped playing women's half-court basketball a long time ago).

pwb
April 12th, 2017, 12:59 PM
Naturally, I would prefer to see the two distance events added, but agree that if only one change was made, it should be to swap the 1500 in and take the 800 out for women.

I'd be in favor of adding everything. When swimming is only really televised once every four years, how can more swimming be bad?

orca1946
April 12th, 2017, 01:54 PM
A lot of seem to agree -drop the W800 & put in the W1500. Women have been running marathons and doing full Ironman triathlon for a long time now!! 50's of each stroke would be fun to watch and a short time televise. imho

TRYM_Swimmer
April 16th, 2017, 04:54 PM
Why is there such opposition to mixed relays? Some of my best experiences in Masters have been mixed relays. As someone has already mentioned, the placing of the swimmers would provide some interesting ebb and flow.

pwb
April 16th, 2017, 07:12 PM
Why is there such opposition to mixed relays? Some of my best experiences in Masters have been mixed relays. As someone has already mentioned, the placing of the swimmers would provide some interesting ebb and flow.I am with you. Plus, when they have done mixed relays (e.g., Duel in the Pool) at the elite level, they have been a spectator blast to watch.

Allen Stark
April 16th, 2017, 08:17 PM
I suspect the mixed relays will not make it as too many voters will not want to add events the US is almost certain to medal in, and possibly dominate.

sunruh
April 17th, 2017, 10:27 AM
i'll put it like this:
swimming (as a world wide sport) has been *last* to adopt "new" ideas/technologies. heck they couldnt even follow their own rules!
if track isn't doing it...and it's not.
swimming wont at the olympics either.

its merely taking the best times of 4 and making the fastest relay regardless of stroke.
where is the best give/gain on each spot?

knelson
April 17th, 2017, 12:54 PM
I think the IOC is still primarily an "old boys' club" and can't fathom having men and women competing together. That's why mixed relays at the Olympics won't make it for 2020.

jroddin
April 17th, 2017, 03:16 PM
its merely taking the best times of 4 and making the fastest relay regardless of stroke.
where is the best give/gain on each spot?

Correct that the best cumulative time is obviously the fastest. But more often than not you'll find a male in the breaststroke leg and a female in the freestyle leg. Back and fly are more interchangeable between the genders.

Each leg is 25% of the distance of the relay (i.e. each leg is 50m). But the breast leg is typically more than 25% of the total time of the relay and the free leg is less than 25% of the total time of the relay. If the men are 10% faster than the women on any given relay across the board on all four strokes, the one with the male breaststroker is going to win if the other relay has a female breastroker. Does that make sense?

sunruh
April 17th, 2017, 03:20 PM
it most certainly does
especially if you are that wicked fast dude from the UK - Adam Peaty
however, 1 person doesnt win the medal for a 4 person relay.
men will be in the 2 slowest legs because they are >% faster than the women.
it is simple time math

Karl_S
April 17th, 2017, 09:03 PM
I don't quite see the reason for the lack of enthusiasm for mixed relays that I see in the SwimSwam comments. Perhaps people think the strategy is too obvious (See sunruh's comment). I wonder though, if in a race that figures to be very close, there is an advantage to using the guys to give the gals clean water. This would seem to be especially relevant if a gal is swimming butterfly because women are typically smaller/lighter and would get washed around. I recall Fort mentioning that she doesn't like racing fly with men in the adjacent lanes for this reason. I weigh in at ~125# soaking wet and know that it is a big issue for me. Not so much in the other strokes, but for fly I get tossed around like a cork in a gale.

I can't see the IOC adding new swimming events though. There is already the perception that there are too many swimming events and it is too ez for swimmers to rack up the medal count. Add to that the fact that the politically unpopular US is likely to dominate those events and you have a losing proposition. Personally, I don't have much use for stroke 50s, but think the mixed relays would be fun to watch, and might provide opportunity for lesser swimming powers to be competitive. (I figure it is easier to find 4 fast swimmers if you have M & F to pick from.) The 800/1500 thing should have been changed a long time ago. I should think that might be looked upon favorably - more time to cut away to more advertising...

Evan Ekman
April 19th, 2017, 09:43 PM
I like 'em all!!

Swimswam had an interesting article about new events FINA has requested be added to the schedule for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. The additions would be as follows:



Menís 800m Freestyle
Womenís 1500m Freestyle
Mixed 400 Medley Relay
Mixed 400 Freestyle Relay
50s in each stroke for both men and women

Admittedly it seems very ambitious and it's highly unlikely FINA will get everything it wants, but it's still worthy of discussion. What are everone's thoughts on this proposed schedule?