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67King
April 25th, 2017, 11:02 PM
Started swimming again this year in an effort to get in better shape. Haven't done it since college (I'm 43), and that was just for exercise. Did it as a kid, now my kids also swim. At any rate, I'm just doing laps right now. Usually 6 sets of 500, occasionally only 5 and occasionally 7 or 8. ~5 days a week when life doesn't get in the way (so about 15,000 yards per week). About 25% breast, 25% back, and 50% free. I have occasionally thrown some fly in there, but I just can't do it without it fatiguing me to the point where the remainder of the set is very suboptimal.

At any rate, I am wondering at what point I should start looking to transition to doing workouts, rather than just laps. There is no Masters program that will work for me, so I'd just be following the posted workouts from the forums. Should I just jump right in? Should I start from "week 1," or just hit it right in the middle? Also, should I just be looking mostly at the general workouts, of mixing it up with the IM workouts to get more strokes, or start with general and slowly work my way towards the IM stuff?

Anything y'all need to know to help guide me the right way?

srcoyote
April 26th, 2017, 07:39 AM
When I came back to swimming 12 years ago, I did the same thing. I mainly swam laps - sets of 200's with easy 25's between. Then I decided to make the leap to workouts and used the workouts on this forum. Which workouts you use should depend on your goals. Are you trying to work your way back into meet swimming? Sprints? Distance? Open water?

I swim open water so I began using some of the open water workouts. However, I plateaued doing that so I started working in some sprint workouts and saw improvement.

My recommendation is to jump right in with workouts, but not necessarily all of them in order. If that is your preference, do so, but feel free to modify the workout based on your needs and how you feel. Sometimes, I take what is largely a free workout and turn it into more IM for the variety. I swim enough straight free training for open water. Other times, I'll decide I want to modify distance or rep. I skip around the forums and the dates based on my schedule. About once every two weeks, I even throw in one of the New/Expectant Mother Workouts. They are a nice change of pace and offer some great stroke work.

I wouldn't worry about trying to follow a single workout thread in order until your goals are defined and your now needing to shave time.

ForceDJ
April 26th, 2017, 07:56 AM
A few times in my decades of swimming there have been instances wherein I had to "return" to swimming after a layoff of many weeks, or even months, due to an injury/surgery, and recovery, or...a military deployment. What works for me...to "get back into it"...when I first start going back to the pool I first just do long, slow yardage like you've been doing up to this point. At some point I will begin to break up some of the longer portions into segments/intervals...doing the same yardage, same pace...just broken into smaller segments, and on a timed interval. I feel like that helps get me back into the mentality of doing intervals and sets. After a couple of sessions like that I begin to gradually increase intensity on the smaller segments, then on the longer ones, until I feel comfortable that I've conditioned myself back into "a workout" shape.

Good luck.

Dan

waves101
April 26th, 2017, 08:12 AM
Just jump in at whatever point is your preference. Everything is adjustable anyway (reps, times, distances). As soon as you get comfortable start making the intervals faster and keep progressing. Continue working hard but most importantly, have fun.

67King
April 26th, 2017, 10:22 AM
Which workouts you use should depend on your goals. Are you trying to work your way back into meet swimming? Sprints? Distance? Open water?

No set goals for any events that are swimming related - I've blown past my weight loss goal, but still have a little work to do to get my standing heart rate down to the arbitrary number I've picked. One of my kids is a AAAA swimmer in a few events, so that takes up a whole lot of the free time I would have. So the notion of doing any competitions myself is not really feasible at present. In the future, perhaps, but not right now.

But I generally do better when I have something a bit more concrete to try to accomplish. For example, I started out making 300 yard sets, and only about 1500 yards. So I've worked my way up too 500 yard sets and up to 4000 yards per workout. So my stamina has improved significantly, I'd now like to try to improve my strength a bit, so I think some of the shorter/faster sets with fins/paddles will probably help with that. But I WOULD like to get back to being able to do Butterfly, which was "my" stroke as a kid. I am inclined to go with just the basic training for now?

Thanks everyone for the quick feedback.

srcoyote
April 26th, 2017, 11:46 AM
But I WOULD like to get back to being able to do Butterfly, which was "my" stroke as a kid.

I wish you well on this. I was a flyer in my youth. I still enjoy it, but decreased core flexibility at 47 limits my stamina in the stroke. I'm good for a 100 or a 400 IM here and there. I think my 200 days are over.

Sojerz
April 26th, 2017, 11:47 AM
There is no question you are more than ready for interval workouts. Pick some from the forum or blog posts that appeal. I think you'll see the benefits quickly.

If you feel uncomfortable with a full interval workout, transition from your current workouts by adding shorter and faster sets at your own pace like 5-10x50 or 5x100 and eliminating some of the sets you are currently swimming.

You'll need a pace clock or watch. Pick swim intervals that you know you can make to start with or swim the reps starting out on a rest interval until you figure out what swim interval you can make an ratchet down. Add more intervals, stroke work, and drill as you progress.

Enjoy.

Swimspire
April 26th, 2017, 10:15 PM
Congrats on deciding to get back into swimming! I would only recommend plunging directly into workouts if you can say with confidence that you have a perfect stroke technique - and this is pretty difficult to do especially if you've been out of the pool for awhile. I would suggest finding a coach who can analyze your stroke technique and your specific needs. You might have, for example, a weaker side of the body, or need to adjust the timing of your stroke, etc. Knowing your technical needs will allow you to have more efficient workouts since you will be able to adjust them such that you are both developing strength and fine-tuning your technique,which is a very important consideration. Making sure your technique is sound will also help you avoid injuries as your build up strength and conditioning.

And since you are going to be a solo swimmer, which can be challenging, I would recommend Elaine K's article with six suggestions for the solo swimmer: http://www.swimspire.com/six-suggestions-solo-swimmer/


Elaine also started a forum thread on this topic which you might find interesting: http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?26825-Solo-Swimmers&highlight=solo


All the best of luck to you on your new swimming journey!

ElaineK
April 26th, 2017, 10:23 PM
Congrats on deciding to get back into swimming! I would only recommend plunging directly into workouts if you can say with confidence that you have a perfect stroke technique - and this is pretty difficult to do especially if you've been out of the pool for awhile. I would suggest finding a coach who can analyze your stroke technique and your specific needs. You might have, for example, a weaker side of the body, or need to adjust the timing of your stroke, etc. Knowing your technical needs will allow you to have more efficient workouts since you will be able to adjust them such that you are both developing strength and fine-tuning your technique,which is a very important consideration. Making sure your technique is sound will also help you avoid injuries as your build up strength and conditioning.

And since you are going to be a solo swimmer, which can be challenging, I would recommend Elaine K's article with six suggestions for the solo swimmer: http://www.swimspire.com/six-suggestions-solo-swimmer/


Elaine also started a forum thread on this topic which you might find interesting: http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?26825-Solo-Swimmers&highlight=solo


All the best of luck to you on your new swimming journey!

Thanks for the shout-out, Julia! :D +1 on your advice to 67. May I add to it? One of the reasons to work on perfect stroke technique is to avoid repetitive stress injuries. If you plunge into workouts and ramp up your swimming without proper stroke technique, you can end up with all sorts of physical problems you would be best to avoid.

At the very least, have somebody shoot video of your stroke, upload it to YouTube, and post the link here on the forums. Your fellow Forumites would be happy to provide stroke technique feedback. :agree:

DeniseMW
April 27th, 2017, 09:16 AM
Wow, Elaine, that's a great article. I never thought about volunteering but it's something I'll definitely consider.

For me, just getting in the pool these days is a workout, so I envy those of you here on the boards who consider just doing a slow 1500 a warm up.

67King
April 27th, 2017, 09:37 AM
Thanks for feedback......i had actually seen the prior thread about solo swimmers and did peruse it a little.

As an engineer, I'm pretty analytical, and have always enjoyed listening to the kids' coaches when they talked technique. Am pretty good friends with a retired one, as well. Have gotten input from one on shoulder pain, which led to a big change in freestyle. They have also told me what they worked on during private lessons afterwards.

Not that that would be any substitute for observation. That may have to wait until this Summer, though, just because of the difficulty in finding a pool I can use where one of them can observe me. I have thought about talking to one of them in particular who might be able to have some time that aligns with me. He has taken my best swimmer, and improved her worst stroke from "slower than B" to AA in trying to get her IM where it should be. So I certainly have quality coaches I can talk to.

What I do now is try to focus on the feedback my body gives me. I "look" for the way my muscles feel during the strokes. My free is pretty good (and I can tell my how chaffed my shoulders are from my whiskers!), but my breast and back are inconsistent. I focus on my legs in breast, I lose my pull, and vice versa. I focus on my pull in back, I lose my reach and vice versa (though that is coming together, as I have gone from 18-19 strokes per lap to 14-15). So that is also one of the things I hope workouts do, is let me focus on one thing at a time to make it habit.

I'm rambling. Thanks again for all.the feedback. The Garmin (pace clock substitute) should be here early next week, so I'll be starting to transition then.

ElaineK
April 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM
Wow, Elaine, that's a great article. I never thought about volunteering but it's something I'll definitely consider.

For me, just getting in the pool these days is a workout, so I envy those of you here on the boards who consider just doing a slow 1500 a warm up.

Thanks, Denise! :D

67King
April 28th, 2017, 10:40 AM
Well, THAT was humbling!

So observations from trying out a small workout.
- Not going to do another one of these the morning after 67Queen and I have a date night - lap swimming after a couple glasses of wine, NP. This was a little more challenging.
- UDK's......you could call these things "ankle breakers" for all I am concerned.
- I have a newfound respect for sprinters. 250 yards of any stroke (well.....except fly) is easier than a 25 yard sprint.:oldman:
- I think that the CIA could replace water boarding with backstroke sprints and get the same result. :drown:
- Just threw away my neti-pot, as I won't be needing it if I keep doing backstroke sprints :drowning:
- I had forgotten how obnoxious some groups of people, collectively, are. Water aerobics people start taking over teh pool 45 minutes before their 30 minute long class starts :frustrated:
- Lane ropes are removed 15 minutes before lap swimming ends (see above)

At any rate, trying to inject a little humor into the morning. Actually felt good to do a little fly for short durations. But holy smokes, it took it out of me! Will definitely try to get an earlier start next time, so as not to run afoul of the water aerobics people. There are triathlon people in teh pool until 8:00, the first water aerobics person is usually there at 8:45, and they start filing in around 9:15. Class starts at 10:00. By 9:30, they move your wattle bottle and stuff so they can put their stuff at the end of the lane.......which of course means you have to move it just to get out of the pool.........but I will say that fins, paddles, deck bag, a printed workout, etc. served to be a bit more of a deterrent. One good thing about sprints, though! When the obnoxious water aerobics people see you pounding the water hard, they are less likely to walk across your lane right in the middle of your workout.

Maybe my water aerobics gripes should go in Elaine's solo swimmer rant thread. It has been a while since I either swam on the same day as they had a class, or I wasn't done by 9:15. Speaking of Elaine and that thread, just curious. What part of GA? Grew up a bit south of Atlanta and swam for a team that was in Forest Park, but is now in Jonesboro - Tara Tarpons. There were 3 of us that made the 45 minute trek up to Forest Park a few times a week.

DeniseMW
April 28th, 2017, 11:49 AM
67King:applaud::rofl: What's with those folks in water aerobics class? Half of them don't even work out that hard (yes, I've taken a class and know it can be difficult). What annoys me the most, though, are the water walkers, the people who jump in with their shower caps and noodles and weights and take up the entire lane. Occasionally one will agree to share, but why does each one need a lane to him/herself? Go figure.:dedhorse:

ElaineK
April 28th, 2017, 12:47 PM
- I have a newfound respect for sprinters. 250 yards of any stroke (well.....except fly) is easier than a 25 yard sprint.:oldman:
- I think that the CIA could replace water boarding with backstroke sprints and get the same result. :drown:
- Just threw away my neti-pot, as I won't be needing it if I keep doing backstroke sprints :drowning:
- I had forgotten how obnoxious some groups of people, collectively, are. Water aerobics people start taking over teh pool 45 minutes before their 30 minute long class starts :frustrated:
- Lane ropes are removed 15 minutes before lap swimming ends (see above)


:lmao:Stay with us on the Forums, 67, because I have missed your kind of humor! We used to have That Guy making us laugh with just about every post, but he hasn't posted on here in a long time. :sad:

I loved your comments about backstroke! The only way I can handle backstroke sprints is by using a nose clip, so I don't waterboard myself! I trained myself to swim backstroke without the clip otherwise, because I race the 400 IM and can't stand using nose clips for the other strokes.

Here on the Forums, that obnoxious group known as water aerobics people are not-so-affectionately referred to as "noodlers". The are a pain in the :mooning:, aren't they? May I add another miserable noodler trait to your list of frustrations? The noodlers here at Sun City Peachtree where I live complain about the water temperature INCESSANTLY. Mind you, the pool is 84 degrees, and if they would just move while they're in the water, perhaps they wouldn't be "sooo coooold!" :bitching:

You asked about my location. Sun City Peachtree is located in the northern part of Griffin, actually in northern Spalding County. I am VERY familiar with the Tara Tarpons, because I have trained off and on at the Steve Lundquist Aquatic Center since moving to Georgia in 2009. My former part-time coach and training partner (he's too busy for private coaching now) is the coach of the S.M.A.R.T. swim team, the other kids swim team that trains at the pool.

Was Tracy Collett one of your Forest Park Tarpon teammates?

One last comment... I love your effective use of Smilies, too. Those little buggers make me smile! :D

67King
April 28th, 2017, 01:23 PM
:lmao:Stay with us on the Forums, 67, because I have missed your kind of humor!

You asked about my location. Sun City Peachtree is located in the northern part of Griffin, actually in northern Spalding County. I am VERY familiar with the Tara Tarpons, because I have trained off and on at the Steve Lundquist Aquatic Center since moving to Georgia in 2009. My former part-time coach and training partner (he's too busy for private coaching now) is the coach of the S.M.A.R.T. swim team, the other kids swim team that trains at the pool.

Was Tracy Collett one of your Forest Park Tarpon teammates?

One last comment... I love your effective use of Smilies, too. Those little buggers make me smile! :D

Thanks for the compliments! Hey, if we can't make fun of ourselves, who can?

I was at Tara about the time Steve Lundquist was setting the WR at that 84 Olympics......but the only folks I recall from the team, other than the coach, Bob Bugg (who I believe lives in Griffin, now), were my fellow Griffinites.......yep, I'm from there, originally. Grew up on the south side, though, between College and Maple St's. Not far from the city pool where the Summer team (Gators) swam in my day (may still?). I think I may have swum there from 83-85 or so? I didn't last long.....I really never knew how to push myself to practice hard until I was older doing different sports. But hey, I did set myself up nicely to get the "Most Improved" award. Lots easier to drop 5 seconds when you are 10 seconds off the pace than when you are at the front, you know!?

I'm like you on the pool temperature. Way too hot. This pool clearly is designed with them in mind. Kept probably at 85 degrees or so, the stairs go down into a lane, making it a pretty useless lane for anything other than freestyle (there is about 3' of usable space beside it). There are no T's at the ends of the lanes.......so that was another thing I couldn't figure out, trying to judge my distance to the wall doing flip turns!!!! The middle lane has a water jet thing right where you push off.

The other pool I use, when I can train while my kids are at practice, is much better. A good 5 degrees cooler, everyone I've seen there is a lap swimmer. T's on the ends, recessed water jets, the stairs in a "L" section. Hopefully this Summer I'll be able to do all of my swimming there.

ElaineK
April 28th, 2017, 05:08 PM
Thanks for the compliments! Hey, if we can't make fun of ourselves, who can?

I was at Tara about the time Steve Lundquist was setting the WR at that 84 Olympics......but the only folks I recall from the team, other than the coach, Bob Bugg (who I believe lives in Griffin, now), were my fellow Griffinites.......yep, I'm from there, originally. Grew up on the south side, though, between College and Maple St's. Not far from the city pool where the Summer team (Gators) swam in my day (may still?). I think I may have swum there from 83-85 or so? I didn't last long.....I really never knew how to push myself to practice hard until I was older doing different sports. But hey, I did set myself up nicely to get the "Most Improved" award. Lots easier to drop 5 seconds when you are 10 seconds off the pace than when you are at the front, you know!?

I'm like you on the pool temperature. Way too hot. This pool clearly is designed with them in mind. Kept probably at 85 degrees or so, the stairs go down into a lane, making it a pretty useless lane for anything other than freestyle (there is about 3' of usable space beside it). There are no T's at the ends of the lanes.......so that was another thing I couldn't figure out, trying to judge my distance to the wall doing flip turns!!!! The middle lane has a water jet thing right where you push off.

The other pool I use, when I can train while my kids are at practice, is much better. A good 5 degrees cooler, everyone I've seen there is a lap swimmer. T's on the ends, recessed water jets, the stairs in a "L" section. Hopefully this Summer I'll be able to do all of my swimming there.

You're originally from Griffin? Small world! We're San Diego transplants (by way of San Antonio; long story...). I pass through your old 'hood every Monday when I go to Griffin United Methodist Church to volunteer for the artistic director of Griffin Choral Arts, a community chorus.

Yep, I know Bob Bugg, and I have trained at the pool where he trains (and helped design). I affectionately call it the "Buggatorium":
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The 25m pool is located on the property of his friends on Maddox Rd. in Griffin. Click on the photo and read what the banner on the wall says. :bow: He's a great coach, too. We did a trade-out a few years back; he coached me in exchange for me shooting stroke videos for him. He now coaches war vets; good on him!

As for the Gators, they're still slithering around. Someday, if it ever gets built, they will have a new community pool to train in at Wyomia Tyus Park. It was part of the approved TSPLOST, but it will be awhile...

Hey, there's another USMS swimmer in your area who is on my team, the Georgia Masters Killer Whales. He's on the Forums as Swimosaur. You two should meet; he's a great guy!

67King
April 28th, 2017, 08:53 PM
Small world!.................artistic director of Griffin Choral Arts, a community chorus.

I bet you know my mother.......Margie King?

67King
April 28th, 2017, 09:41 PM
Yep, I know Bob Bugg, and I have trained at the pool where he trains (and helped design). I affectionately call it the "Buggatorium":
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The 25m pool is located on the property of his friends on Maddox Rd. in Griffin. Click on the photo and read what the banner on the wall says. :bow: He's a great coach, too. We did a trade-out a few years back; he coached me in exchange for me shooting stroke videos for him. He now coaches war vets; good on him!

As for the Gators, they're still slithering around. Someday, if it ever gets built, they will have a new community pool to train in at Wyomia Tyus Park. It was part of the approved TSPLOST, but it will be awhile...

Hey, there's another USMS swimmer in your area who is on my team, the Georgia Masters Killer Whales. He's on the Forums as Swimosaur. You two should meet; he's a great guy!



Now that I've picked my jaw up off the floor about you being involved in something that my mother does (and she confirmed that she knows you well!), other stuff.

Wow. Wow. That is amazing. I want to think he was a butterflyer in his younger days, and would have been an Olympic favorite had we not boycotted the 1980 games. I want to think he has some step daughters my age, but I haven't really kept up with a lot of that.

Also very happy to see some investment in teh community! Oak Ridge, where my kids swim, is kind of like how Griffin at least used to be. Big community center, hige city park, all of teh sports done through the city. And as such, a city pool (indoor in our case). Sadly, so many things have gone away from community run activities to letting private entities, mostly churches, build gyms and other things, and operate sports leagues. My kids' middle school had 8 times as many relay teams at that meet than did the one in Oak Ridge.....yet Oak Ridge has the pool (7 lane, 25 yard). Part of it is UT, as well. And that team is a bit of a leviathan, but I won't comment further on that, as I have issues with small teams like ours having to de facto recruit against the state university for youth swimmers. We've been to some very, very nice YMCA facilities, many built with corporate sponsorship. But UT has 3 50M pools, so there really isn't much drive with our local Y's to do that.

I remember stumbling across another guy from Knoxville, and wondered if he were on the team at UT (TN Aquatics). Seems when I looked at his profile, his name was Jason or Judd or something wiht a J, don't recall. I know a few folks there. Some parents of former swimming teammates, and I've met some guys at the pool where I swim (a Gold's Gym) who weren't able to make the practices there at all times. At any rate, as I said, I was pretty humbled this morning. Gotta keep chugging to get into enough shape to actually do the workouts. And get a nose clip. There's a pretty strong back stoker who is neighbors with my sister in the Denver burbs. She just moved back there from California. I think she uses them. Real tall girl. Probably a fat chance, but it is a small world, right? You might have heard of her, too. I think her name is Misty or something? ;)

ElaineK
April 29th, 2017, 01:36 PM
I bet you know my mother.......Margie King?

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Oh, you mean that lady on the bottom right of this photo I shot of the choir? :D THAT'S YOUR MOM??? OF COURSE I KNOW HER! As you know, she serves on the B.O.D. and is in the choir. I worked for GCA for five years, and then I gave notice a year ago and just volunteer for Steve Mulder. (Long story about not wanting to work for the board; HOWEVER, it had NOTHING to do with your mom. She is one of my GCA favorites!!!) :agree:

ElaineK
April 29th, 2017, 01:40 PM
Now that I've picked my jaw up off the floor about you being involved in something that my mother does (and she confirmed that she knows you well!), other stuff. :lmao:


Wow. Wow. That is amazing. I want to think he was a butterflyer in his younger days, and would have been an Olympic favorite had we not boycotted the 1980 games. I want to think he has some step daughters my age, but I haven't really kept up with a lot of that.

Also very happy to see some investment in teh community! Oak Ridge, where my kids swim, is kind of like how Griffin at least used to be. Big community center, hige city park, all of teh sports done through the city. And as such, a city pool (indoor in our case). Sadly, so many things have gone away from community run activities to letting private entities, mostly churches, build gyms and other things, and operate sports leagues. My kids' middle school had 8 times as many relay teams at that meet than did the one in Oak Ridge.....yet Oak Ridge has the pool (7 lane, 25 yard). Part of it is UT, as well. And that team is a bit of a leviathan, but I won't comment further on that, as I have issues with small teams like ours having to de facto recruit against the state university for youth swimmers. We've been to some very, very nice YMCA facilities, many built with corporate sponsorship. But UT has 3 50M pools, so there really isn't much drive with our local Y's to do that.

I remember stumbling across another guy from Knoxville, and wondered if he were on the team at UT (TN Aquatics). Seems when I looked at his profile, his name was Jason or Judd or something wiht a J, don't recall. I know a few folks there. Some parents of former swimming teammates, and I've met some guys at the pool where I swim (a Gold's Gym) who weren't able to make the practices there at all times. At any rate, as I said, I was pretty humbled this morning. Gotta keep chugging to get into enough shape to actually do the workouts. And get a nose clip. There's a pretty strong back stoker who is neighbors with my sister in the Denver burbs. She just moved back there from California. I think she uses them. Real tall girl. Probably a fat chance, but it is a small world, right? You might have heard of her, too. I think her name is Misty or something? ;)

Now that I have picked MY jaw up off the floor, I'm on my way now to see your mom at the Griffin Choral Arts Children's Chorus concert that she will be listening to as well. More later... Gotta run! :bolt:

cinc3100
April 30th, 2017, 12:14 AM
I do more IM and don't swim more a 200 yard swim. The most in workouts was 400 IM. I usually swim 50's and 100's and sometimes 25. I kick more breaststroke than freestyle.

67King
May 1st, 2017, 03:47 PM
Alright, did another. A few thoughts on it.
- The UDK comment from earlier was in reference to doiing them with fins. Without, not as bad. Which probably means I'm doiing them wrong, since my core isn't (though I'm sure 67Queen would insist that I get my diaphragm plenty of work being full of hot air and all that!).:yawn:
- Guessing at where 15M is by putting fins on the wall isn't very effective, as you can't really see them. No red stripes or anythign. Maybe I'll put them o the bottom of the pool next time?
- When the whole workout references one's "100 pace," makes it kind of hard to do when you don't have a clue what that would be! :doh:
- Guessing what it is probably isn't the best idea
- However, guessing that it is "Focus: 100 Free @ 55.0" is not a good target for a newbie actually is a pretty good guess!
- You know....it is really hard to do flip turns when there is no X on the wall. At least to new swimmers. Or new old swimmers. Or whatever it is when you start doing it again later in life. And along those lines, I'm sure that I'm not the only person in the world to injure a shoulder doing a flip turn......but the chances of me meeting the OTHER guy who has done it are pretty small. :blush:
- I am convinced that the people that designed the drills were swiss watch makers. Sure they aren't as taxing as a lot of other things, but my lord! I'm not coordinated enough to do those (these were freestyle drills - catch up wasn't too bad, but the whole fingertip drag and hinge thing)? :confused:
- Fingertip drag thing I think exists solely so people won't complain about water ingestion during breathing being only a backstroke thing.:rant3:
- Went at a different time today, much later, as I had an early eye doctor's appointment. So I saw some new people. I'll preface this by saying i swim at a Gold's Gym. And so everyone in there looks like Randy from a Christmas Story when his mother puts the winter coat on him (you know.....arms won't go down). So......I got to swim with Dolf Lundgren today! Well.....I think that's who it was. He was pretty intimidating. :afraid:But swimming didn't appear to be his strong suit. :cool:
- Lung Busters. Maybe "ego busters" is more applicable?
- We need a little "RTFM" emoticon. Stands for "Read the :censor: manual" 'Cuz I need to do some more of that.
- Trying to do sets with time using an analog watch (with foggy goggles) is a bit like an ornamental pear - just plain fruitless.
- But! When I got home, a new Garmin Swim watch was waiting for me! :santa3:

Alright, joking aside......I really have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to "relative to XXXXX pace." I probably erred on teh side of going too fast. My stroke count was way out of whack, it is usually about 18, but it was pretty consistently 22. I guess I"d expect a little higher, but not that much higher. Of couse, I was using my arms, then going "Hey, don't forget to kick!" at which point I forgot about my arms. So I had to have been pretty amusing to watch there!

Oh yeah.......I don't think I'll ever give my kid grief for breathing inside the flags, again!

ElaineK
May 1st, 2017, 09:23 PM
I remember stumbling across another guy from Knoxville, and wondered if he were on the team at UT (TN Aquatics). Seems when I looked at his profile, his name was Jason or Judd or something wiht a J, don't recall.

Yep, you got it! Judd is his name; that's Swimosaur!

I just returned from choir rehearsal. Your mom brought in some framed photos of your family to show me. What a beautiful family you have! It was nice to put a face with 67King, too, and now I know what the "67" stands for. :D

ElaineK
May 1st, 2017, 09:36 PM
Alright, did another. A few thoughts on it.
- The UDK comment from earlier was in reference to doiing them with fins. Without, not as bad. Which probably means I'm doiing them wrong, since my core isn't (though I'm sure 67Queen would insist that I get my diaphragm plenty of work being full of hot air and all that!).:yawn: :lmao:
- Guessing at where 15M is by putting fins on the wall isn't very effective, as you can't really see them. No red stripes or anythign. Maybe I'll put them o the bottom of the pool next time?
- When the whole workout references one's "100 pace," makes it kind of hard to do when you don't have a clue what that would be! PWB (Patrick Brundage) explained how to figure that out in his workouts. I'll bet if you sent him a private message, he could provide the link to that post.
- Guessing what it is probably isn't the best idea
- However, guessing that it is "Focus: 100 Free @ 55.0" is not a good target for a newbie actually is a pretty good guess!
- You know....it is really hard to do flip turns when there is no X on the wall. At least to new swimmers. Or new old swimmers. Or whatever it is when you start doing it again later in life. And along those lines, I'm sure that I'm not the only person in the world to injure a shoulder doing a flip turn......but the chances of me meeting the OTHER guy who has done it are pretty small. :blush:
- I am convinced that the people that designed the drills were swiss watch makers. Sure they aren't as taxing as a lot of other things, but my lord! I'm not coordinated enough to do those (these were freestyle drills - catch up wasn't too bad, but the whole fingertip drag and hinge thing)? :confused:
- Fingertip drag thing I think exists solely so people won't complain about water ingestion during breathing being only a backstroke thing.:rant3:
- Went at a different time today, much later, as I had an early eye doctor's appointment. So I saw some new people. I'll preface this by saying i swim at a Gold's Gym. And so everyone in there looks like Randy from a Christmas Story when his mother puts the winter coat on him (you know.....arms won't go down). So......I got to swim with Dolf Lundgren today! Well.....I think that's who it was. He was pretty intimidating. :afraid:But swimming didn't appear to be his strong suit. :cool:
- Lung Busters. Maybe "ego busters" is more applicable? :agree:
- We need a little "RTFM" emoticon. Stands for "Read the :censor: manual" 'Cuz I need to do some more of that.
- Trying to do sets with time using an analog watch (with foggy goggles) is a bit like an ornamental pear - just plain fruitless.
- But! When I got home, a new Garmin Swim watch was waiting for me!

Alright, joking aside......I really have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to "relative to XXXXX pace." I probably erred on teh side of going too fast. My stroke count was way out of whack, it is usually about 18, but it was pretty consistently 22. I guess I"d expect a little higher, but not that much higher. Of couse, I was using my arms, then going "Hey, don't forget to kick!" at which point I forgot about my arms. So I had to have been pretty amusing to watch there!

Oh yeah.......I don't think I'll ever give my kid grief for breathing inside the flags, again!

See comments above. Meanwhile, I really should forward some of your posts to your mom. I don't think she realizes how FUNNY you are! :D

67King
May 1st, 2017, 10:07 PM
See comments above. Meanwhile, I really should forward some of your posts to your mom. I don't think she realizes how FUNNY you are! :D

Shhh! I'm an engineer, I have a reputation to keep! But if you do, I guess it is good I didn't analogize the whole "until completely recovered" direction in the workout to a hangover. When is one "over" a hangover? When functional? Because really being "over" one means the next day! Kind of like recovering from some of this stuff......at least to this newbie!

67King
May 2nd, 2017, 01:40 PM
And along those lines, I'm sure that I'm not the only person in the world to injure a shoulder doing a flip turn

Alright, I'll refrain from sarcasm here. This is a real thing, here. I know I have work to do, and like I said, the lack of any contrast on the wall makes it more challenging. While I assume I'll get better at judging that from the end of teh stripe on the bottom, I seem to have an issue coming off of teh wall. I hurt my shoulder, again, today. Only this time it really hurt. When I pushed off, my left arm shot over across my body and pulled the back of my shoulder. It hurt. Like seriously hurt. I felt it pull. I haven't done flip turns in over 30 years, so I am getting all kinds of stuff all kinds of wrong. I was able to finish what I was doing this morning, but I need to address this.

Until I can work with someone, or get some video, is there anything that jumps out at anyone that I can work on? I don't think I've been coming off of the wall straight (which y'all might have deduced!). Does it sound like I"m trying to twist during the turn, rather than after? Should I just do touch turns until I get back in the pool that has the X on the wall, and then work on it, bringing it back to this pool?

Two things that I KNOW I am doing wrong: 1. I often pick up my head to look for the wall (I'm still a little "afraid" of it, as I jammed a couple of fingers a couple of months ago trying to relearn before I punted on them). I'm turning too early. I'm still well ahead of the wall. Those two might be related. But I'm not sure what I may be doing to have my arm cross over like that, and enough to hurt myself.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!


Oh, Elaine. Thanks for teh compliments! I've lucked out pretty much my whole life on teh family thing. And one has to be a parent to fully appreciate the sacrifices one's own parents made, so I'm much more appreciative of Mom as an adult than I was as a kid. I don't know how she managed it all.

Allen Stark
May 2nd, 2017, 02:37 PM
Alright, I'll refrain from sarcasm here. This is a real thing, here. I know I have work to do, and like I said, the lack of any contrast on the wall makes it more challenging. While I assume I'll get better at judging that from the end of teh stripe on the bottom, I seem to have an issue coming off of teh wall. I hurt my shoulder, again, today. Only this time it really hurt. When I pushed off, my left arm shot over across my body and pulled the back of my shoulder. It hurt. Like seriously hurt. I felt it pull. I haven't done flip turns in over 30 years, so I am getting all kinds of stuff all kinds of wrong. I was able to finish what I was doing this morning, but I need to address this.

Until I can work with someone, or get some video, is there anything that jumps out at anyone that I can work on? I don't think I've been coming off of the wall straight (which y'all might have deduced!). Does it sound like I"m trying to twist during the turn, rather than after? Should I just do touch turns until I get back in the pool that has the X on the wall, and then work on it, bringing it back to this pool?

Two things that I KNOW I am doing wrong: 1. I often pick up my head to look for the wall (I'm still a little "afraid" of it, as I jammed a couple of fingers a couple of months ago trying to relearn before I punted on them). I'm turning too early. I'm still well ahead of the wall. Those two might be related. But I'm not sure what I may be doing to have my arm cross over like that, and enough to hurt myself.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!


Oh, Elaine. Thanks for teh compliments! I've lucked out pretty much my whole life on teh family thing. And one has to be a parent to fully appreciate the sacrifices one's own parents made, so I'm much more appreciative of Mom as an adult than I was as a kid. I don't know how she managed it all.

I swam for awhile in a pool without the end of pool "targets". I had some tiles that were left from tiling the bathroom that I put in the swim bag and took to the pool. i would put some down at the end of the pool and some down 3 feet out and then I had something to watch for. In terms of the shoulder injury, I it sounds like you are not getting your arms locked in streamlined position before pushing off. Work on making sure your arms are set before the push.

ElaineK
May 2nd, 2017, 04:49 PM
Oh, Elaine. Thanks for teh compliments! I've lucked out pretty much my whole life on teh family thing. And one has to be a parent to fully appreciate the sacrifices one's own parents made, so I'm much more appreciative of Mom as an adult than I was as a kid. I don't know how she managed it all.

Your mom is a wonderful lady, and I'll bet she was a good mom. You did luck out!

I'm sorry you hurt your shoulder-- bummer! Hey, is the bottom or side of the pool tile? If so, I wonder if you could stick on something with a suction cup backing (like a kid's tub or shower toy) to stick on the bottom to mark where to start your turn. Either that, or you could bring a plastic-coated weight for the bottom of the pool. Of course, King Frog's suggestion was a good one!

By the way, if you ever need breaststroke advice, hop on over to "The Breaststroke Lane" thread. That's the lily pad where all us frogs hang out. :D King Frog is the KING of the pad, and he croaks the best advice of all. :bow: (I saw him break the World Record at 2011 Nationals in Auburn :banana:, and then I was competing with him at the World Championships on Montreal when he broke it again. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see it, because I was competing over at the women's pool at the same time. The celebratory dinner afterwards was fun, though!)

67King
May 3rd, 2017, 07:56 AM
Hey, is the bottom or side of the pool tile? If so, I wonder if you could stick on something with a suction cup backing (like a kid's tub or shower toy) to stick on the bottom to mark where to start your turn.

The pool's surface is made of some industrial grade, diamond based, 36 grit abrasive material, to which nothing will stick. Except human flesh, as I learned when I attempted my first go at UDK's with fins on my back for the first time, and promptly nailed the bottom of the pool!!! :bitching:

Allen's idea looks really good, I will see if I can try that until I can better learn my timing and location and all of that. Hope the stripes on the bottom are teh same distance on both sides. The weird thing, which I assume has something to do with the pool's flow, is that it almost always takes me one more stroke going one way than the other.

On Breaststroke advice.......I'm not quirky enough to be a breast stroker! I'm an engineer. Always was good at fly. Or maybe I should say less bad.

My daughter was in the pool a couple of times at Age Group Sectionals with a girls during new national record swims (SCY - so hey, that means world record, too, by default!). 12 year old girl did a 54.00 in the 100 Fly, and a 24.39 in the 50. I have a few pictures of my daughter sharing the podium with her, which is pretty cool.

ElaineK
May 3rd, 2017, 12:29 PM
The pool's surface is made of some industrial grade, diamond based, 36 grit abrasive material, to which nothing will stick. Except human flesh, as I learned when I attempted my first go at UDK's with fins on my back for the first time, and promptly nailed the bottom of the pool!!! :bitching:

Allen's idea looks really good, I will see if I can try that until I can better learn my timing and location and all of that. Hope the stripes on the bottom are teh same distance on both sides. The weird thing, which I assume has something to do with the pool's flow, is that it almost always takes me one more stroke going one way than the other.

On Breaststroke advice.......I'm not quirky enough to be a breast stroker! I'm an engineer. Always was good at fly. Or maybe I should say less bad.

My daughter was in the pool a couple of times at Age Group Sectionals with a girls during new national record swims (SCY - so hey, that means world record, too, by default!). 12 year old girl did a 54.00 in the 100 Fly, and a 24.39 in the 50. I have a few pictures of my daughter sharing the podium with her, which is pretty cool.

OUCH! It sounds like you have had a tough go of it, between your shoulder on flip turns and scraping the bottom of the pool. :badday: Keep your sense of humor and motivation; I'm sure it will get better in the pool for you!

What a cool experience for your daughter! By the way, your mom used me as a consultant on her Christmas gift. I hope she's enjoying her swim boxes! :presents2:

67King
May 3rd, 2017, 02:36 PM
It sounds like you have had a tough go of it...............Keep your sense of humor and motivation;

What a cool experience for your daughter! By the way, your mom used me as a consultant on her Christmas gift. I hope she's enjoying her swim boxes! :presents2:

Oh, I am FINE. Honestly. I just threw that out there because y'all seemed to appreciate my sarcastic sense of humor. Besides, at least swimsuits don't stick to the bottom of the pool......unlike our Summer league pool, as I learned dong the backstroke on a parent relay at the end of the year party a few years ago!!! :blush: That and I really WAS looking for input on the shoulder thing. It is better today.......of course my plan to just go do 3500-4000 yards of lap swimming was destroyed by a sick kid I had to get to the doctor, grrr....

Abigail LOVES the Swimfluence stuff! That was a GREAT gift! She has been slowing working her way up the ladder, and has made great strides over the past couple of years. Goals keep moving up. Had a setback at our LSC (SES) championship as she was sick all week the week before, and added time in everything. Still got a 2nd place in the 50 Fly, a couple of 4ths, and the rest all top 10's, but she had really wanted a couple of 1sts, and had a chance. Sectionals were obviously much bigger, and she dropped time, but a couple of mental breakdowns cost her. Took a VERY late extra stroke into the wall on the 50 Fly.....to the poinit where she almost hit the wall with her head. That took her from 2/3 to 5. Bad 3rd turn on the 100 Fly cost her a Senior cut (she went 1:00.43). It is funny how critical some teeny little mistakes can be. She is hoping for the Zones team this year. I honestly don't know what to expect. She's a bit behind most of those girls developmentally, so it'll be tough, but the future darn sure looks good!!! Pic for reference.....she's the one on the right (and she's in front of that girl! but admittedly, she's one of the bigger ones) right before I believe backstroke finals.

67King
May 12th, 2017, 10:33 AM
Alright, so a few weeks in and things are going pretty well. That whole drowning while doing backstroke thing was solved with the nose clip. So much so that I can actually hold underwaters for 12-13 yards even after a 3500 yard workout. :woot:

So admittedly, the first few workouts I tried I wasn't able to finish. Mark beat me up pretty badly. At any rate, that's pretty much better, now. I still have a lot of work to do. I am quite sure I'm doing some of the drills wrong. I don't know how to figure out how to pace myself, and while I am getting a lot better at doing flip turns consistently, they take too much out of me, and I can't do them for a whole workout. I think it is related to the fact that I have to breathe out while doing them. Good news is, when I started swimming laps in February, my heart rate was in the low 70's. Got down to mid 60's pretty quickly, but stayed there. I had hoped to lose about 15 pounds, most of which I did with diet changes, but I'm actually down about 25. Lost 3" in my waist. None of that has changed with the change to workouts......but my heart rate is actually down a bit. That was the one goal I hadn't been able to hit until I started doing this, I'm now in the upper 50's.

So two general questions for anyone who might have followed the path that I did. First is the whole flip turn thing. Are you best served just forcing your way through it, or are you better off reverting to touch turns to get through a set. Right now, when the sets are focused on shorter events, I'll do flip turns. When longer, I'll do touch turns.

Second set is how to figure out how to pace oneself? Example, I somewhat arbitrarily picked a 40 second pace to use as a baseline for my 200 free workout. And I really had a hard time hitting it. I tried slowing down my tempo, but still focused on my efficiency (long reach, slow but hard pull). I kept coming in around 36-37 seconds. Easily 3/4 of the time. I may have hit :40 once every 8 reps. Which is all well and fine.....early on. Towards the end I could feel my stroke getting sloppier. I'd still make the interval, but I just felt the stroke going away from me. Then when I went to do a test set (150 yards at pace), I crashed. I had done 16 50's at :40 or under with :20 rest (:15 on last four). And after 100 yards at 1:22, I couldn't make it any further. Was dead.

Contrast that with the 500 workout. I know I can do a 500 in under 7:30, I have hit 7:15 a few times early on while lap swimming. But I still for the sake of getting through the workout (and frankly keeping track of the clock!), I went for a 7:30, or :45 pace. Kept coming in at :42, occasionally :43. That workout was fine, I'm actually writing up the intervals on the clock based on a :43 pace for the next time Mark posts that workout. I think I'll be safe with that, I did the Davis Mile today in 28:01 (or a 26:21 1650).

But here is what gets me. I did 40 50's at that pace, on 4 hours of sleep, and was fine. Yet the day before working on the 200's, after having only done 16 50's, I couldn't even hold :40 for 100 yards. The one difference that may have worked in favor of the 500's is that I did all touch turns on it, and all flip turns on the workout for the 200's.

Any thoughts? Am I off to think that I ought to be able to hit teh 200 more easily than I did the 500?

ElaineK
May 12th, 2017, 02:09 PM
Congratulations on your progress, 67! You have done outstanding with your weight loss and fitness, so keep up the good work! :applaud:

I'm glad to hear your waterboarding days are over, too. A nose clip is such an easy and inexpensive way to solve that problem. :agree:

As for all of your other questions, I will leave it to the experts to address. I may be good at writing motivational articles ( http://www.swimspire.com/staying-self-motivated-as-a-solo-swimmer/ ), but when it comes down to nuts and bolts, :dunno:

67King
May 12th, 2017, 03:02 PM
As for all of your other questions, I will leave it to the experts to address. I may be good at writing motivational articles ( http://www.swimspire.com/staying-self-motivated-as-a-solo-swimmer/ ), but when it comes down to nuts and bolts, :dunno:

Actually.....I'd really like to know what other people do or have done. I'm going to shoot Mark (swimdogs) an e-mail, he is absolutely fantastic. But I posted this here because I specifically want input from "muggles." So does everyone do flip turns off of every wall on free and back? Or do they take too much out of you after 50-75 per hour? Has anyone else here taken it up late in life and struggled to find out how to pace himself?

ElaineK
May 12th, 2017, 06:01 PM
Actually.....I'd really like to know what other people do or have done. I'm going to shoot Mark (swimdogs) an e-mail, he is absolutely fantastic. But I posted this here because I specifically want input from "muggles." So does everyone do flip turns off of every wall on free and back? Or do they take too much out of you after 50-75 per hour? Has anyone else here taken it up late in life and struggled to find out how to pace himself?

Well, I never do any flip turns any flip turns anymore, because I have Meniere's, and repetitive flip turns make me seasick. I'm fine for the first few, but it gets gradually worse after that. :eek: :bolt:

I had plenty of struggles trying to figure out how to pace myself, so I relied on my fellow Forumites by reading all the threads and searching for pearls of wisdom. In addition, I remember Patrick Brundage ("pwb") explaining how to do a test swim to determine your pace, when he posted the high-volume workouts. That post appeared at the beginning of the year he wrote the sets. Try doing an advanced search and see if you can locate it.

loonytick
May 15th, 2017, 11:59 AM
When I got back into the pool after a long time out, flip turns felt exhausting. For me, it was that interruption to the breathing rhythm, to have to make a breath last longer while the body did something very different from what it had done all the way down the lane. I do flip every freestyle turn in my workouts now, but it took a little while of considering that the goal but also acknowledging that I was going to have to do a mix of open and flip turns for a while before I was really ready to flip them all.

I have never made backstroke flip turns a priority. I learned turns back before they were legal, so the timing of turning over and starting the flip is new territory for me. I do want to master them at some point, but other challenges have taken precedence for me so far.

aholloway1982
May 23rd, 2017, 05:14 PM
Fairly new here, as I joined, made one post, and then broke my pelvis the very next day and couldn't swim for a while, but I have returned to swimming to lose weight as I am still rehabbing my pelvis and most cardio is out, after being on HS swim team over 20 years ago. I find it almost impossible to pace myself, I end up going as fast as I can and wearing myself out quickly (I'm a 200lb. out of shape 35 year old woman) or I end up so focused on slowing down my technique suffers and I still wear myself out rather quickly. I'm ignoring flipturns for right now. It just takes too much energy and is one more thing to focus on technique-wise. I've got enough on my plate just trying to build some endurance back up, slow my butt down (doesn't help my 9 year old daughter is on swim team, shares a lane with me most days, and constantly challenges me to race lol), and ensuring my technique is developing soundly after so much time away.

67King
May 24th, 2017, 01:04 AM
I have returned to swimming to lose weight as I am still rehabbing my pelvis and most cardio is out, after being on .

Great for getting back in it!

Alright, I'll give you my thoughts since I was not too far from where you are now. First thing is ADJUST YOUR DIET *****NOW*****! I cit way back, and renormalized what I ate before I got into the water. Lost 12 pounds with that (granted I cut WAY back) in a few weeks. Then when I started swimming, I ate more due to the calories burned. And at this point, I've lost over 25 pounds, and I'm really not trying to (almost the opppsite).

But GET THE DIWT SORTED FIRST.

Now, that said, for the rest of it. Just get in there and do it. I still am sorting out pacing, but I'm getting there. I bought a Garmin Swim which I don't much care for but I have a pace clock now. Once I got settled into a comfortable routine, I picked up the workouts. And I got uncomfortable, which is what I kind of need.

When switched to workouts, I was a little over 160 (from 185 before I started with the diet thing). Heart rate was 66 (from 72). Now I'm under 160 (157-159 depending), but my heart rate is mid 50's, and actually under 50 if I skip a few days. I am a lot more concerned about heart rate as a measurable than anything else. And I credit following SwimDog's workouts for that.

Congrats for getting back in. Diet diet diet, and make sure you do NOT get comfortable in your workouts.

Others may have differing opinions, but that is what worked for me, and I think it will f0r you, too.

aholloway1982
May 24th, 2017, 11:11 AM
Yeah, I'm on track with the diet, that was one of the few things I COULD control when my broke pelvis had me sidelined from the large majority of my life's activities and hobbies. My heart rate is still wayyyyyy on up there (wasn't kidding when I said I was out of shape!) so I try to keep it in the fatburning range instead of the anaerobic range. That part is the hardest for me, because I guess once a sprinter always a sprinter lol? I had a really good swim yesterday, alternating lengths between backstroke and breast stroke, and managed to hit one of those really good "strides" for lack of a better word where I knew I was working, I was breathing hard, but I could just go and go and go and go. Then I get out of the pool and discover my fitbit had died and hadn't tracked my distance or time or anything lol (still saving up for a better swim tracker, having to swim with my daughter sharing a lane and constantly talking to me makes it impossible for me to mentally keep track lol).

67King
April 20th, 2018, 02:31 PM
Wow, amazing looking back at almost a year ago and how things have changed. :bliss: Holy smokes was following @SwimDogs workouts beneficial. :bow: My stroke technique certainly improved, drastically. In all of them. And my stamina. To quantify things a bit, I don't time myself too, too often, but I did his Davis Mile workout probably middle of the Summer last year, and it was a 28:50-ish result. I did it earlier this week on only about 4 hours of sleep :bed:, and I did a 23:02. That's a 41.9/50 pace. I could not have held that for much more than a 100 a year ago (I think my 100 time is a little over a minute, probably 1:02-1:03). My 200 time is a little under 2:30. I mentioned resting heart rate. When I started swimming just laps, it was about 75 (I have low blood pressure, which does give one a higher heart rate). After lap swimming, it had plateaued at about 65. Now it is around 50, but it has been as low as 44. Like my weight that I had mentioned, I blew past my goal (was 60). I'm actually starting to put on a little weight, but I believe it is muscle. I went from about 185 to around 155 (was as low as 153) to around 160. My physique is definitely more refined than it was back then.

I don't drown when I swim backstroke at all. I can do fly no problem, I'm a little over 30 in the 50, but pace myself a lot more for anything longer, I want to think about a 1:10? Though my (now 13 year old) daughter I had mentioned can clean my clock.....got a 57.39 to get her futures cut at her last LSC Championship meet.

:soapbox: The noodlers are getting even more bizarre. The location where I swim at where they walk in front of you has gotten even worse. There's one lady in particular. I don't really even know what she wears. Looks like matching gym shorts and tank top. Doesn't look anything like a swim suit. A few of them wear shower caps......you know, the things you used to see your grandmother wear. :cane: The worst part is that now, that one is putting stuff out, blocking the lanes AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE HER CLASS. After talking to soem other swimmers, I finally complained to the manager. I showed him a picture I took where she had set out all sorts of kickboards floaty dumbell thingees, noodles, etc. blocking egress from the pool. I left as he went to talk to her.

Next day, surely it would improve, right? :agree: WRONG. :bitching: Same thing. :frustrated: I asked her if she would please not block the pool deck so that us swimmers could get in and out. She insisted that the steps were clear (can I get a "confused" emoji for here, please admin? Wait.....nevermind, just fix the site first, please). Now, I don't know about you, but apparently her dad had a different philosophy than mine. See, my dad always said "Son, there are many ways to get out of the pool. The steps are not one of them." Okay, he didn't really say that, but you know what I mean.

Anyway, one or two posts have made me think about where I was a year ago. So a great big THANK YOU to all here who post and give feedback :bighug: Even if I don't post in a thread, I find I can often take away something. :dj_dance: That and I occasionally end up giving pointers to the triathlon swimmers there if they ask or if they talk to me. Still want to think about checking out a Masters team for a brief stint, but haven't had a chance to so far.

ElaineK
April 20th, 2018, 03:59 PM
:applaud: :cheerleader: :chug: Congratulations, 67! You have come a long way! I loved reading your post, because of your enthusiasm and generous use of SMILIES! :ohyeah:

Now you need to post some videos (or a video of a 100 IM), so we can see how your strokes have come along over the past year.

Keep up the good swimming! :banana:

67King
April 20th, 2018, 05:30 PM
Ugh, forgot to mention maybe the biggest quantifiable. Stroke count went from 19 to 14 (13 when really fresh, 15 when tired).

cinc3100
April 20th, 2018, 11:42 PM
Wow, amazing looking back at almost a year ago and how things have changed. :bliss: Holy smokes was following @SwimDogs workouts beneficial. :bow: My stroke technique certainly improved, drastically. In all of them. And my stamina. To quantify things a bit, I don't time myself too, too often, but I did his Davis Mile workout probably middle of the Summer last year, and it was a 28:50-ish result. I did it earlier this week on only about 4 hours of sleep :bed:, and I did a 23:02. That's a 41.9/50 pace. I could not have held that for much more than a 100 a year ago (I think my 100 time is a little over a minute, probably 1:02-1:03). My 200 time is a little under 2:30. I mentioned resting heart rate. When I started swimming just laps, it was about 75 (I have low blood pressure, which does give one a higher heart rate). After lap swimming, it had plateaued at about 65. Now it is around 50, but it has been as low as 44. Like my weight that I had mentioned, I blew past my goal (was 60). I'm actually starting to put on a little weight, but I believe it is muscle. I went from about 185 to around 155 (was as low as 153) to around 160. My physique is definitely more refined than it was back then.

I don't drown when I swim backstroke at all. I can do fly no problem, I'm a little over 30 in the 50, but pace myself a lot more for anything longer, I want to think about a 1:10? Though my (now 13 year old) daughter I had mentioned can clean my clock.....got a 57.39 to get her futures cut at her last LSC Championship meet.

:soapbox: The noodlers are getting even more bizarre. The location where I swim at where they walk in front of you has gotten even worse. There's one lady in particular. I don't really even know what she wears. Looks like matching gym shorts and tank top. Doesn't look anything like a swim suit. A few of them wear shower caps......you know, the things you used to see your grandmother wear. :cane: The worst part is that now, that one is putting stuff out, blocking the lanes AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE HER CLASS. After talking to soem other swimmers, I finally complained to the manager. I showed him a picture I took where she had set out all sorts of kickboards floaty dumbell thingees, noodles, etc. blocking egress from the pool. I left as he went to talk to her.

Next day, surely it would improve, right? :agree: WRONG. :bitching: Same thing. :frustrated: I asked her if she would please not block the pool deck so that us swimmers could get in and out. She insisted that the steps were clear (can I get a "confused" emoji for here, please admin? Wait.....nevermind, just fix the site first, please). Now, I don't know about you, but apparently her dad had a different philosophy than mine. See, my dad always said "Son, there are many ways to get out of the pool. The steps are not one of them." Okay, he didn't really say that, but you know what I mean.

Anyway, one or two posts have made me think about where I was a year ago. So a great big THANK YOU to all here who post and give feedback :bighug: Even if I don't post in a thread, I find I can often take away something. :dj_dance: That and I occasionally end up giving pointers to the triathlon swimmers there if they ask or if they talk to me. Still want to think about checking out a Masters team for a brief stint, but haven't had a chance to so far.
If you are a woman, 30 seconds in the fly places you in the top 10 in the age group 50 and above. 1:10 will also get you in the top ten. For example, in my age group a ex-Beligum Olympian does a 1:08 100 yard fly for 60 t0 64.

67King
April 21st, 2018, 07:17 AM
If you are a woman, 30 seconds in the fly places you in the top 10 in the age group 50 and above. 1:10 will also get you in the top ten. For example, in my age group a ex-Beligum Olympian does a 1:08 100 yard fly for 60 t0 64.

44 year old male.