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arthur
June 9th, 2017, 03:01 PM
https://swimswam.com/distance-events-mixed-medley-relay-added-tokyo-olympics/

Men's 800 free and women's 1500 free added as well mixed 400 medley relay. Other mixed relays and stroke 50s not added.

pwb
June 9th, 2017, 03:21 PM
https://swimswam.com/distance-events-mixed-medley-relay-added-tokyo-olympics/

Men's 800 free and women's 1500 free added as well mixed 400 medley relay. Other mixed relays and stroke 50s not added.This is AWESOME ... but now I need to create a new picture/emoji thing for this forum ;)

Frank Thompson
June 9th, 2017, 03:50 PM
This is AWESOME ... but now I need to create a new picture/emoji thing for this forum ;)

I was hoping that they would add the 50 of strokes before adding any relays. Its interesting that they would add a Mixed Medley Relay instead of a Mixed Free Relay. The 200 Relays would make more sense because they have been going for sometime now and they would not take as much time as the 400 Relays. Maybe because of time, they only wanted one 400 Relay and maybe that is why only one. I would think they would want to duplicate the events at the FINA World Championships and that is why I am surprised of no 50 of strokes.

This opens up the medal capacity of mid distance and distance free swimmers. Someone like Katie Ledecky could win 7 golds if she can get on the team as a relay swimmer for the 100 Free.

Rob Copeland
June 9th, 2017, 04:47 PM
This is AWESOME ... but now I need to create a new picture/emoji thing for this forum ;)Just change Give to Gave.

Non Swimming Related - I also see they are adding 3 on 3 basketball. That could be interesting.

ElaineK
June 9th, 2017, 04:52 PM
Arthur, you beat me to it. I was just going to start a thread and post this article: https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/09/olympics-committee-approves-major-changes-for-2020-games/22134841/

All the changes/additions for 2020 are included in the article, including other sports.

67King
June 10th, 2017, 12:19 PM
I was hoping that they would add the 50 of strokes before adding any relays. Its interesting that they would add a Mixed Medley Relay instead of a Mixed Free Relay.

Perhaps of the IOC splits the 24 games between Paris and LA as seems to be a possibility, they'll add those events then to better fill the games for whichever city would host the swimming. Don't know, just a guess.

Very happy with the distance additions. But I, too, am miffed at a mixed medley, rather than a mixed free.

Will the additions open up any additional roster spots?

sunruh
June 12th, 2017, 09:50 AM
Will the additions open up any additional roster spots?


absolutely NOT!!!

they will use the fastest guy in the 100 fly and 100 breast for the relay thats already on the team. same for 100 back and 100 free for women that are already on the team.

ZERO new spots

smontanaro
June 12th, 2017, 10:55 AM
Its interesting that they would add a Mixed Medley Relay instead of a Mixed Free Relay.

My thinking is that a mixed medley presents more of a challenge to the coaches. With mixed free, barring event limitations, you just toss in your two fastest men and women. I don't think it's that simple in a mixed medley. (Or maybe it is, and I'm just not thinking about the problem correctly.)

arthur
June 12th, 2017, 01:15 PM
absolutely NOT!!!

they will use the fastest guy in the 100 fly and 100 breast for the relay thats already on the team. same for 100 back and 100 free for women that are already on the team.

ZERO new spots

I was wondering if every country would use the same gender for the same strokes so I looked at the world record differential between all four stroke 100s. It is 5.15 free, 6.27 back, 7.22 breast, and 5.66 for fly. The best option might be for women to swim free and fly and men to swim back and breast. Depending on a country's individual swimmers they might swap fly and back but free should always be done by a woman and breast by a man.

Allen Stark
June 12th, 2017, 03:43 PM
I was wondering if every country would use the same gender for the same strokes so I looked at the world record differential between all four stroke 100s. It is 5.15 free, 6.27 back, 7.22 breast, and 5.66 for fly. The best option might be for women to swim free and fly and men to swim back and breast. Depending on a country's individual swimmers they might swap fly and back but free should always be done by a woman and breast by a man.

That is assuming you have a fast male breaststroker and a fast female freestyler. There is an idea to go men for the BK and BR to get open water for the women. I think that is not as important as how fast people are. Add up the times and see what gives you the best result.

67King
June 12th, 2017, 06:30 PM
absolutely NOT!!!

they will use the fastest guy in the 100 fly and 100 breast for the relay thats already on the team. same for 100 back and 100 free for women that are already on the team.

ZERO new spots

Was thinking more along the lines of the men's middle distance and the women's long distance, not the relay.

Also in the future of the add 50's of stroke.

Chris Stevenson
June 12th, 2017, 08:16 PM
My thinking is that a mixed medley presents more of a challenge to the coaches. With mixed free, barring event limitations, you just toss in your two fastest men and women. I don't think it's that simple in a mixed medley. (Or maybe it is, and I'm just not thinking about the problem correctly.)

It isn't, there are a lot more possibilities with mixed medley relays. As a summer league coach, I address this problem every other week (five age groups, A/B/C relays per age group). In our summer league, a further complicating factor is that you can have 3 or even 4 females in a "mixed" relay, not just 2.

Free relays are easy, Team Manager will even suggest them for you and usually they are correct or close to it.

loonytick
June 13th, 2017, 05:50 PM
It isn't, there are a lot more possibilities with mixed medley relays. As a summer league coach, I address this problem every other week (five age groups, A/B/C relays per age group). In our summer league, a further complicating factor is that you can have 3 or even 4 females in a "mixed" relay, not just 2.

Free relays are easy, Team Manager will even suggest them for you and usually they are correct or close to it.

Anything that opens to the door to countries with smaller programs being able to potentially mount a competitive relay makes the competition more interesting, as far as I'm concerned. And it seems to me that you've got a little more possibility for that scenario playing out with mixed medley than with mixed free.

sunruh
June 14th, 2017, 12:46 PM
the only team that enters into the picture is Great Britain because of Adam Peaty.
otherwise the powerhouse teams will still be the powerhouse teams.
joseph schooling is not going to get singapore a relay medal by himself

fatboy
June 14th, 2017, 12:59 PM
What about Hungary in the mixed medley?

smontanaro
June 14th, 2017, 01:17 PM
Even if it turns out to be not-too-hard for coaches to put together mixed medley relay squads, it's provided us with a new (and interesting) topic of conversation. :)

sickfish
June 14th, 2017, 08:08 PM
the only team that enters into the picture is Great Britain because of Adam Peaty.
otherwise the powerhouse teams will still be the powerhouse teams.
joseph schooling is not going to get singapore a relay medal by himself

You're right. We should fight this because it's not perfect! NO MIXED MEDLEY RELAYS

/sarcasm

Sportygeek
June 16th, 2017, 06:47 PM
What about Hungary in the mixed medley?

If Hungary actually included Hosszu and Cseh in their mixed medley team, they might be minor medal contenders. At both Kazan Worlds and 2016 Euros, they didn't. Instead, they swam a 54.xx male backstroker, a 59.xx female flyer (and one of their 1:01.xx breaststrokers in preference to Daniel Gyurta).

loonytick
June 21st, 2017, 09:35 AM
the only team that enters into the picture is Great Britain because of Adam Peaty.
otherwise the powerhouse teams will still be the powerhouse teams.
joseph schooling is not going to get singapore a relay medal by himself

Right now, sure. I'm thinking of possibilities farther into the future.