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shipleywm
April 29th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Ok, so it's more than a year away... but I had a couple of questions I wanted to throw out to anyone who can answer them.

Is the meet next year going to be at the Hall of Fame pool? Someone once said that there was a new pool being built in Ft. Lauderdale that could be hosting it.

Secondly, can someone put up the link again that stated the order of events for the next six or so LC and SC nationals? Thanks!

It's never too early to plan... especially when you want to make sure that you don't repeat your horrible performance from the year before!

swim53
April 29th, 2004, 10:56 AM
When we were in Ft L for Y Nat's less than two weeks ago, they indicated that the meet will be in the current pool.

I have seen the list that shows the rotation of the order of events, I just can't find it using SEARCH.

I think Mary Pohlman has it handy because she just ran a post the other day which indicated the order for a meet down the line, can't remember.

swim53
April 29th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Bill- Look under 4/27, the posting called 2005 USMS Nationals under the category "Nationals"- by MPohlmann

It gives the order of events for Ft L if the rule book is followed and gives the page of the rule book that shows the entire rotation. And the rule book is online

shipleywm
April 29th, 2004, 11:53 AM
Thanks!

Rob Nasser
July 19th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Schedule 1
2004 Long Course
2006 Short Course

1st Day **
800 / 1000 Free
1500 / 1650 Free

2nd Day
400 IM
50 Fly
200 Free
100 Back
200 Breast
200 Mixed Medley Relay
200 Free Relay

3rd Day
400/500 Free (Women)
200 Back
50 Free
100 Breast
200 IM
100 Fly
200 Medley Relay

4th Day
500 Free (Men)
50 Breast
100 IM *
200 Fly
100 Free
50 Back
200 Mixed Free Relay

==============================================

Schedule 2
2005 Short Course
2006 Long Course

1st Day **
800 / 1000 Freestyle
1500 / 1650 Freestyle

2nd Day
400 / 500 Free (Men)
50 Breast
100 Fly
200 Back
50 Free
200 IM
200 Mixed Free Relay

3rd Day
400 / 500 Free (Women)
100 IM*
200 Breast
100 Free
50 Back
200 Fly
200 Medley Relay

4th Day
100 Back
50 Fly
200 Free
100 Breast
200 Mixed Medly Relay
200 Free Relay
400 IM

==============================================

Schedule 3
2005 Long Course

1st Day **
800 / 1000 Freestyle
1500 / 1650 Freestyle

2nd Day
100 Fly
50 Breast
100 Back
200 Free
200 Mixed Medley Relay
200 Free Relay
400 IM

3rd Day
100 IM*
200 Fly
50 Back
100 Free
200 Breast
200 Medley Relay
400 / 500 Free (Women)

4th Day
200 Back
50 Free
200 IM
50 Fly
100 Breast
200 Mixed Free Relay
400 / 500 Free (Men)

* The 100 IM is swum in short course nationals only.
** With Championship Committee approval, a swimmer may compete in both of the two longest freestyle events at the meet. The Championship Committee shall decide how national qualifying times will affect the entry.

jim clemmons
July 19th, 2004, 04:55 PM
Rob,

Where's the 200 breast for schedule 2?

Maybe I just missed it. :eek:

Day 3 appears a little brief.

Jim

Rob Nasser
July 19th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Whoops.. That's where the copy/paste broke off and I had to do 2 sections and combine them into one. Must have overlapped them. It should be fixed now.

Rob

Conniekat8
July 19th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by shipleywm

Secondly, can someone put up the link again that stated the order of events for the next six or so LC and SC nationals? Thanks!


To my knowledge there isn't a preset orer of events for nationals. It changes slightly from year to year. There are guidelines abuot the order of events, but they allow room to play, and it's up to each event's host to come up with the final order of events.

jim clemmons
July 19th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Thanks Rob.

Jim

Rob Nasser
July 19th, 2004, 05:26 PM
Yes.. And no.

According to rule 104.5.2D -

Alternative Meet Schedules - A meet bidder may, with the approval of the Championship Committee, bid for a national championship with a different schedule from those defined in 104.5.2A (the one I just posted above).

There is a preset order, though I think it's fairly rare that a bidder uses anything different that what is presented in the rules.

Rob

michaelmoore
July 19th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Notice that it says "bid." That only gets you into the bidding process. Does the bidder really care that much for a particular schedule to risk having the Championships Committee say "no."

Of course, the winning bidder could come back and make an argument for a particular schedule and if it is reasonable, the committee may vote to send it to the House.

In any case is the House of Delegates that makes the final decision about the order of events.

Why would you want to make a change in the Meet Schedule? (This is said by a person who when the meet schedule comes up for discussion, tends to roll his eyes and get some sleep).

michael

mbmg3282
July 19th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Michael is correct that the house of delegates at the annual convention makes the final decision on the order of events. Tyically every three years, the championship committee submits a series of schedules for the house to select from. Three are chosen and used in a the rotation listed above.

The exception occurs when the bidder decides they wish to run a 5-day meet rather than a 4-day meet. At this time, we have no standard 5-day schedules, so if the bid is successful, we have to make one up. This happened last year for Rutgers and will happen again for the Mission Viejo meet in 2005. The host club working with their liaison to the championship committee comes up with a schedule. It is submitted to the championship committee. From there it goes to the house of delegates for approval.

For the Mission Viejo meet in summer 2005, we are in the middle of this process. The schedule will be finalized this fall at the annual convention.

Mark Gill
Meet Liaison 2005 LC Nationals