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tjrpatt
December 13th, 2004, 11:02 AM
I was watching Desperate Housewives and they had a scene at Bree(Marcia Cross's)'s son high school swim meet. It was such a bad betrayal of swimming. There were no lane lines in the pool and no real timers. Plus, there were no bleachers, just chairs that you would see in a classroom. It would be nice if Hollywood got the accurate view of swimming.

mattson
December 13th, 2004, 11:49 AM
I don't watch the show, but maybe it is an accurate portrayal. An aging swimming pool, and the athletic director siphoned off needed funds to get the football team a second set of new jerseys... :D

(In reply to Scooter below... They didn't have enough money to hire a real swim coach, so they must have hired the cheerleading coach to do double duty. Can't get the hair wet, after it has been groomed!)

scooter
December 13th, 2004, 12:55 PM
I may be a newbie to the boards, but not a single kid had their face in the water!

tjrpatt
December 13th, 2004, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by scooter
I may be a newbie to the boards, but not a single kid had their face in the water!

They couldn't get anything right in this scene.

tjrpatt
December 13th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by mattson
I don't watch the show, but maybe it is an accurate portrayal. An aging swimming pool, and the athletic director siphoned off needed funds to get the football team a second set of new jerseys... :D

(In reply to Scooter below... They didn't have enough money to hire a real swim coach, so they must have hired the cheerleading coach to do double duty. Can't get the hair wet, after it has been groomed!)

I guess that these writers think that swimmers don't warm up before their races. They just show at the starting blocks where it is time for their race. Now, I forget, were their starting blocks????

knelson
December 13th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Anyone see the movie Swim Fan? It might have been marginally better than this, but there were still some laughable things. For example, the main character had the keys to the pool and just sort of dropped in for a workout whenever he felt like it, regardless of whether a coach was there or not. When they showed the kids swimming you wouldn't confuse them with Ian Thorpe, but at least they did put their heads in the water.

The movie wasn't very good, by the way. Don't rent it because of the title alone.

gull
December 13th, 2004, 04:05 PM
I think one of the school's top swimmers in Swim Fan went a 1:26 in a freestyle event. I assume that was the 150 Free.

Fishgrrl
December 13th, 2004, 04:05 PM
I confess...I saw it. Yuk! Good for your typical though predictable teen drama: boy meets girl with "issues", boy rejects girl with issues...which leaves us with a somewhat anti-climactic pool/drown victim scene at the end...

Anyway - it wasn't so much that the coach wasn't around when the main character worked out (you're right - it's probably unlikely); it was toward the end during the swim meet scene where you hear the announcer say, "...and the winner of the 100 free is "insert winner-guy's name" in 1 minute and 30 seconds!"

Believe me, this is not a hit on anyone who swims 100 free in that time!! It's just that I strongly suspect that most varsity boy swimmers probably are a bit faster in the 100 free.....

There are SO many films about football, basketball and auto racing...any filmmakers out there wanna step up and make a film about swimming!?

Fishgrrl
December 13th, 2004, 04:08 PM
Yes! It was 1:26!! I knew it was something like that...

gull
December 13th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Could be a slow pool. I don't think they had shaved, either.

Fishgrrl
December 13th, 2004, 04:33 PM
They didn't have their 20 bowls of cereal that day.....and they certainly didn't use their VO2Max shampoo.....;)

gull
December 13th, 2004, 04:36 PM
But the main character did have a nice freestyle (front quadrant?).

aquageek
December 13th, 2004, 05:19 PM
I've noticed this is not unique to swimming, ever see how basketball is played in Hollywood? I think actors might not be the most sporting crowd. I never saw many from the drama club on the sports teams in high school.

laineybug
December 13th, 2004, 05:31 PM
Don't generalize Geek, in high school, my daughter's boyfriend was on the hs swim team, local USA team, tennis team and did one act plays and debate.

gull
December 13th, 2004, 05:35 PM
For Miracle the director said he chose hockey players who could act, rather than actors who could play hockey. I'm still not sure what the difference is.

aquageek
December 13th, 2004, 06:03 PM
One person in S. Georgia does not a trend make. I stand by my statement that as a general rule actors are not athletes. I suspect many plays, like sports, practice at the same time.

I impersonated a swimmer this weekend at a meet, with similarly ugly results.

gull
December 13th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by aquageek
I stand by my statement that as a general rule actors are not athletes.

Obviously you never saw any of OJ Simpson's movies (before he didn't commit a double homicide).

strong440
December 13th, 2004, 08:01 PM
I remember seeing Tom Harmon, a drama major at Horace Mann in Gary, playing the title role in Abe Lincoln in Illinois in the late 1930's.

Alicat
December 13th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Would it be better if the actors tried to act and take the swimmers from local clubs? Would that make the actors feel really awful for not having decent swimming skills or should we suggest a method actor for this part?

One good movie with swimming in it was Ordinary People in the early 80's. Timothy Hutten did a decent job with the freestyle, and the acting was incredible! Lane lines, flip turns, streamlining and all!

Where is Johnny Weissmuller or Mel Stewart when you need a great swimming shot?

centaur532
December 13th, 2004, 08:13 PM
While it's not swimming, the movie about Steven Prefontaine (a familiar name in the running community) was extremely well done. Prefontaine was a promising US star who came to a tragically early death in his twenties. A couple of his records still stand as world records. His coach, Bill Bowerman, later went on to found Nike.
The movie is fabulous, and it's a good one for athletes everywhere. Don't know of any swimming movies, unfortunately, unless "Open Water" counts;) (Oh yes, Swim Fan was not good. And please...don't have sex in a pool...the rest of us have to swim in that!)

tjrpatt
December 13th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by knelson
Anyone see the movie Swim Fan? It might have been marginally better than this, but there were still some laughable things. For example, the main character had the keys to the pool and just sort of dropped in for a workout whenever he felt like it, regardless of whether a coach was there or not. When they showed the kids swimming you wouldn't confuse them with Ian Thorpe, but at least they did put their heads in the water.

The movie wasn't very good, by the way. Don't rent it because of the title alone.

I saw part of it on HBO. I love how screenwriters thinks that there are college scouts for swimming. Plus, they are going to a local high school meet to find new students. College swim colleges only check the Junior and Senior Nationals results for scholarship talent and evaluate the swimmers that seek them out. Also, College coaches are more interested in giving scholarships to foreign swimmers. Let's be honest.

tjrpatt
December 13th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Alicat
Would it be better if the actors tried to act and take the swimmers from local clubs? Would that make the actors feel really awful for not having decent swimming skills or should we suggest a method actor for this part?

One good movie with swimming in it was Ordinary People in the early 80's. Timothy Hutten did a decent job with the freestyle, and the acting was incredible! Lane lines, flip turns, streamlining and all!

Where is Johnny Weissmuller or Mel Stewart when you need a great swimming shot?


Isn't Mel Stewart doing that low carb beer commericals. Also, hollywood needs to hire swimming consultants just like they hire miliatry consultants. Stunt swimmers would be a good thing to get some swimming accurancy in TV and film if they don't have them already.

gull
December 13th, 2004, 09:55 PM
The lack of swimming movies is puzzling--I mean, what could be more exciting than a swim meet, especially if there are a lot of heats?

Phil Arcuni
December 13th, 2004, 11:16 PM
I also saw Swim Fan, and while not a good movie, the swimming portions were better than I expected. The times the main character and the coach talked about for college scholarships were very realistic, and the character did a very nice 'perfect stroke' drill. This last was probably a double, because the underwater shots, where you could see the actor's face, did not have nearly so good a stroke.

Where I swam in HS, not a center of swimming excellence, there were a few teams that had 1:26 freestylers as their best swimmers, and some areas have frosh-soph teams where these times are common.

I have never seen a preference to give scholarships to foreign swimmers. I have seen a preference to give scholarships to the best swimmers.

I am surprised that swimmers so quickly forget Weismuller and Buster Crabb; there are also several other swimmers that acted in Hollywood. My jock son (varsity soccer as a Frosh, but not swimming now) acts, plays the clarinet in the band, and his hip hop dancing is "hella savage."

Leonard Jansen
December 14th, 2004, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by valhallan
He could star in a show all about ocean life guards where the women guards pose for skin magazines on their days off.

Alexandra Paul... Alexandra Paul... Alexandra Paul... Alexandra Paul...

gull
December 14th, 2004, 07:35 AM
The USA Swimming "B" time for 11-12 yr old boys in the 100 free is 1:13.29 (2005-2008 Top 16-based motivational times). For 15-16 yr old boys it's a 1:04.59. And that's not even close to A, AA or AAA. My daughter, age 13, swims the 100 free in 1:10, which is a B time for her age group, and she's not a great sprinter. Now when I was a freshman in high school (1972), I was probably the slowest on my team and swam the 100 in 1:15.

Edward The Head
December 14th, 2004, 09:56 AM
I remember the Swim Fan movie and hated it. I was hoping there would be more swimming. I do remember it thoug, at least the times, at the end the winner did a 1:33 for a 200 yard free. I remember looking it up and that's close to a converted WR time in LC. The only reason I remember it is because I was watching it the night before a swim meet and I'm a 200 swimmer. Wish I had skipped it though.

exrunner
December 14th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Movies about golf do not fare much better. Kevin Costner's swing in "Tin Cup" was excruciating to watch. A good golf swing is very hard to fake. I know -- I've been trying for years and years.

Sam Perry
December 14th, 2004, 10:46 AM
If I recall, I thought I read once when Swimfan came out that the writer of the movie was somehow affiliated with Stanford Swimming and this was a film project he did in college. Don't quote me on that, but I am pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere.

On another subject, I have noticed a lot of commercials featuring swimming lately. They seem to be pretty good. Usually show a senior person completing some open water swim or the like but they still need heart meds. At least they aren't doing swimming for Viagra or Cialis commercials!

gull
December 14th, 2004, 11:09 AM
Of course the film has a website that provides some info about the swimming scenes:

http://www.swimfanmovie.com/about_notes5.html

knelson
December 14th, 2004, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by tjrpatt
I love how screenwriters thinks that there are college scouts for swimming.

There are. They are called college coaches.

laineybug
December 14th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Sam Perry
At least they aren't doing swimming for Viagra or Cialis commercials!

LOL, I think you've stumbled onto something here. Maybe USMS should figure out a way to associate '4 hr erections' with swimming. There would be a huge :p increase in the male membership of USMS.

justforfun
December 14th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Check out Man on Fire with Denzel Washington. I like the swimming scenes with the little girl and Denzel as her "coach." It's a small part of the movie, but I thought it was pretty well done.

gull
December 14th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by laineybug
Maybe USMS should figure out a way to associate '4 hr erections' with swimming.

Why, is that unusual?

zestyfrog7
December 14th, 2004, 12:45 PM
I am sitting here laughing because when I saw Desperate Housewives and the swimming scene I right away was like "Ummm that isn't the way it is at all!!" Where are the lane lines, how about some goggles, and can that even be considered swimming put your head down? My fiance was like "You know you are missing the whole scene..." Haha he doesn't understand my passion for swimming.

centaur532
December 14th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by justforfun
Check out Man on Fire with Denzel Washington. I like the swimming scenes with the little girl and Denzel as her "coach." It's a small part of the movie, but I thought it was pretty well done.

That's a great film, though the camera angles can make you dizzy-a bit like The Bourne Supremacy (though both the Bourne Identity and the Bourne supremacy are favourites of mine and are highly recommended).
Dakota Fanning is the epitome of adorable children.

mattson
December 14th, 2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Sam Perry
At least they aren't doing swimming for Viagra or Cialis commercials!

That should be one of the selling points for joining USMS. (We don't need no stinking drugs.) ;)

Kevin in MD
December 14th, 2004, 04:21 PM
The commercials with swimming in them drive me crazy.

Where are your goggles people? The lady in the Bally's commercial doing the breastroke. The lady with the sumptuous long hair flowing behind her in the water?

No way pal, ladies with hair that long wear swim caps. And goggles for pete's sake, eyes open underwater, smiling.

But the absolute worst thing I have seen is the picture on the cover of Lynne Cox' book. She's ocean swimming, no cap, no goggles. For a stupid commercial, or a one page ad for somethgin unrelated I can take it. But her book is about open water swimming.

mattson
April 14th, 2006, 03:01 PM
I just noticed Roger Ebert's review of "On a Clear Day" (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060413/REVIEWS/60403010). He gave the movie a mediocre review. Maybe someone can report on the swimming scenes?


Frank starts to swim. One day, impulsively, he swims the River Clyde. Eventually, a plan takes shape: He will swim the English Channel. This will budge him out of depression, and he can prove to himself that he is still to be reckoned with, despite his unemployment.