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Seagurl51
December 31st, 2004, 06:12 PM
Any one who has read my previous posts knows that I've been having some shoulder problems. I've been to the doctor several times and everything has been going good. I've been doing rotator cuff strenghting exercises for about a month, every day, and the doc said that my shoulder strength was doing very well. But for about the last week or so, it has been aching down in the AC joint where my bones are rubbing and clicking together (one is sliding under the other), causing the pain. I thought that since my shoulder was stronger that it should be holding my bones in place, but it started aching like it hasn't improved at all. Then the other day at work, I was carrying a bucket of ice and the muscle on top of your arm..not sure what's it's called, not the bicep but the one that is to the outside... felt pulled and it kept felling like it was pulling my shoulder joint down; it kinda felt like it was pulling it out of place downward, and the doctor said that my shoulder only popped out slightly to the front now so I've been doing back exercises. Now today my whole shoulder is sore. Has anyone else with shoulder problems experienced something like this before? Should I go back into the doctor or just take ibuprofen (sp?) regularly and keep doing my exercises. Thanx!

~Kyra

scyfreestyler
December 31st, 2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Seagurl51
Any one who has read my previous posts knows that I've been having some shoulder problems. I've been to the doctor several times and everything has been going good. I've been doing rotator cuff strenghting exercises for about a month, every day, and the doc said that my shoulder strength was doing very well. But for about the last week or so, it has been aching down in the AC joint where my bones are rubbing and clicking together (one is sliding under the other), causing the pain. I thought that since my shoulder was stronger that it should be holding my bones in place, but it started aching like it hasn't improved at all. Then the other day at work, I was carrying a bucket of ice and the muscle on top of your arm..not sure what's it's called, not the bicep but the one that is to the outside... felt pulled and it kept felling like it was pulling my shoulder joint down; it kinda felt like it was pulling it out of place downward, and the doctor said that my shoulder only popped out slightly to the front now so I've been doing back exercises. Now today my whole shoulder is sore. Has anyone else with shoulder problems experienced something like this before? Should I go back into the doctor or just take ibuprofen (sp?) regularly and keep doing my exercises. Thanx!

~Kyra That really sucks Kyra. Sounds similar to my scenario. It gets better and then it gets worse. I decided to seek some physical therapy so off I go next Monday to see what they can do. I think I probably just overexerted my shoulder too early but with a PT much of the recovery guesswork will be gone. I hope you figure your problem out shortly. I am willing to stick to kicking for a month or two if it means that I get many years of quality swimming after that break.

msgrupp
December 31st, 2004, 09:04 PM
That's what my left shoulder was doing after 2 surgeries. Neither was specifically for rotator cuff. I could place my hands on the steering wheel of the car and drop my left shoulder and have it feel like it was separating. Couldn't do it with my right. So I figured something was wrong on the RIGHT side. Turns out--it WAS the left side that was a problem. It took another 6 years to get it diagnosed correctly. I was dislocating my shoulder and then was able to "relocate" it. Result--probably some of the torn rotator cuff I had.

I finally had the correct surgery in 1998 (a thermal assisted capsular shift) which solved the problem. I don't know if they're still doing it with a thermal assist. I understand that now they just open the area and trim some of the area and restitch it. What is happening is that your labrum is losing it's cup-like properties and allow the shoulder joint to slip out of the "confinement".

You need to see someone who specializes in shoulders and upper extremeties. NOT the guy who claims to be a general orthopedic surgeon who handles anything from a kid's broken finger to grandma's hip replacement. You can't be good in all areas!!! Shoulder specialists have seen it all and can get you diagnosed faster (as they've seen it before) and know how to get you back to the water.

Seagurl51
January 1st, 2005, 01:53 AM
I know this isn't good, but I have tried to dislocate it before (by holding on to something and dropping it) because it had felt unstable sometimes and I wanted to make sure that it wasn't slipping, it never did until the other night when it felt like it had slipped out or was slipping out. I have been doing my own physical therapy, and like I said, the doctor said that it was doing good. As far as slipping goes, the other day was the first time since I dislocated it that it felt out of joint. Do you think that one event is enough to seek a specialist? It has been healing really well and was just sore until the other day.

~Kyra

Alicat
January 1st, 2005, 12:43 PM
I would see the shoulder doctor. Be prepared to the line "it will never be 100%" or something to that effect. I don't know why doctors tell swimmers this. I don't care if my shoulder is "100%", I just want to swim fly, and back, and free, OK I will settle for breaststroke!

What I have learned over the years and surgeries is, for me, with trying to swim is that my shoulder is not and never will be 100%, it's not 80% or even 50%. I can't swim the yardage that I want without it loosening up and popping out from carrying a gallon of milk in the house.

So here are some ideas that have worked for me:
I NEVER stretch my shoulders out before I swim, I pull very little (around 300 yards a week) and will cut down even more if need be. I do not use a kickboard because it hyperflexes my shoulders and I hardly ever swim full length of fly.

This is what my body tells me I have to do now if I want to stay in the water without that oh so wonderful popping/grinding/subluxing/achy feeling.

Listen to your body and the signals it tells you, rest, follow up with a doctor who is not your primary care doctor and knows about athletics.

:p

annette
December 15th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Hi, I have been reading with interest the feedback about members experiences with shoulder injuries. I am not a professional swimmer (I can swim) but I am a paraplegic and use a wheelchair full time. I have a sevrre shoulder injury from 20 years wear & tear, a torn labrum, and a partial tear of my supraspinatus. i am scheduled for surgery and a bit of an shoulder overhaul in about a month. I do the rotator cuff exercises etc, but wondered if anyone has any suggestions on pain managment or positional techniques to rest it. The pain is quite debilitating and it is extreme when I go to bed. I take ibrufofen & panadol & have started on slow release Tramadol. I am trying acupuncture today but am really desperate as I cant actually rest it as I need it to wheel around and its killing me. thanks annette

msgrupp
December 15th, 2005, 10:10 PM
the better. I use a couple of pillows on the bed (while sleeping) so I can sleep on my back and prop my injured arm/shoulder on a pillow so the arm doesn't drop back to bed level.

I also, if sleeping on my stomach, again use a pillow to keep the arm on the same level as my body and not dropped back to the bed. I also find that if I sleep with the elbow LOWER than the shoulder (and not wrapped around a pillow!)--it does give some relief.

Post surgery--get alot of very large t-shirts. You may be in a sling/pillow arrangement for a few weeks while the shoulder heals a bit. Not a good situation for you as you may not have the use of both arms for locomotion.

Do use the pillows to prop the injured arm--it helps limit the movement while you're sleeping and keeps it from flopping back to bed level.

sanwin
December 18th, 2005, 11:07 AM
I can RELATE, for 5 years I had pain in left shoulder after swimming, finnally went to a sports med. MD. Long story short, had a scope and left shoulder repair was great NO PAIN. However 2 years later after swimming coaches changed my arm postion I am internally rotating my other shoulder and have damaged a tendon, surg is in FEB. Since listening to this coach I have struggled with tech, I am back doing arm drills. Long story seek out proper SPORT MED ORTHOPEDIC MD. See pt that works with sport injuries, does make a difference, and before changing your arm postions, talk to several coaches

Ken Classen
December 19th, 2005, 07:30 PM
uugghh - I went to the sports doc this morning. I went skiing a couple of weeks ago and managed to crash putting the full impact on my right shoulder. I had hoped it would heal and all go away. However still in pain. The verdict a no need for surgery partial rotator cuff tear. However start PT tomorrow out of the water for a minimum of six weeks. Once again uuughhh. So much for nationals this spring.:(

annette
December 21st, 2005, 11:05 PM
Thanks - have been trying the pillows. I have about five that I create a supportive nest so at least I am sleeping a bit better. I agree the positional placement does make a difference. I also went back and had some more acupuncture which does make it flare up for the short term and then settles into a dull ache, but not so much of the searing spasms. good luck for the new year.
Originally posted by msgrupp
the better. I use a couple of pillows on the bed (while sleeping) so I can sleep on my back and prop my injured arm/shoulder on a pillow so the arm doesn't drop back to bed level.

I also, if sleeping on my stomach, again use a pillow to keep the arm on the same level as my body and not dropped back to the bed. I also find that if I sleep with the elbow LOWER than the shoulder (and not wrapped around a pillow!)--it does give some relief.

Post surgery--get alot of very large t-shirts. You may be in a sling/pillow arrangement for a few weeks while the shoulder heals a bit. Not a good situation for you as you may not have the use of both arms for locomotion.

Do use the pillows to prop the injured arm--it helps limit the movement while you're sleeping and keeps it from flopping back to bed level.